Basically the Republican candidates all piled on Rick Perry and tried to beat the stuffing out of him. Your observations on this matter?????
18 Thoughts to “The Debate: Pile on Perry”
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Well, they did seem to open several cans of “Whupass” and pour them on Perry. As long as he wishes to continue the same BS rhetoric, he should expect more of the same and if you noticed, he did try to walk the cat back a little on SS but I don’t know that it was successful. Also he is very Texas-centric as if Texas was the center of the universe. I guess in the eyes of some Texans, it is, but closer examination reveals that it is not the paradise that Perry would have you believe it is. I don’t know h ow he has remained governor so long except that there was such a divided vote last time around he won with something like 39% of the vote and he called it a mandate. I believe he will fizzle–his bombast and his fiscal dealings are going to get the best of him. He is an old fashioned Tammany Hall, pay-to-play politician and I don’t think that flies well anymore.
I think it was great and a joy to watch. I’m no fan of Perry so it was a treat.
It is the normal course of things in a nominations contest. Everyone tries to take out the poll-leader, causing things to tighten a bit. Then the real contest begins when the actual primaries are held. The results will have some influence on the subsequent primaries, as one candidate gains momentum.
Agree with Steve. The zingers and haymakers we’re fun to listen to. Hell, even Newt got in a few.
I’m not sure why Huntsman and Santorum are still on the stage but it’s sometimes amusing to hear what they have to say.
I like Huntsman and thought he seemed irrelevant last night. I dislike Santorum and thought he did a little better than usual. I would say Romney won. Perhaps Perry won. I almost felt sorry for him. For me to feel sorry for him…..scary!!!!
George is right. That was a real can of Whupass.
I did feel sorry for Ron Paul. He just couldn’t stop with the stupid remarks. He had to tell the audience to quit booing him. What’s wrong with that picture?
I don’t think they’re stupid remarks. I think he just doesn’t cater to a world where people would rather hear soundbites rather than substance.
People would rather hear [Perry] ‘punch cancer in the f*cking face’ than a [longwinded] answer on why the Federal Reserve is doing us wrong or how [American] empire building emboldens our enemies.
Neocons will cheer a person like Santorum talking about America being the World Police and bringing christianity to the heathens. They’ll also ignore that he never served in uniform [not that it’s a requirement but it’s easy to send troops into combat if you don’t have an idea what combat is like].
Does Paul tend to ramble a bit? Yes. Does he say unpopular things? Yes. Has his message ever wavered? Nope.
Even Stewart said that Paul (while not agreeing with everything he has to say) should be the “America’s idea guy”.
FWIW to those that question Dr. Paul’s patriotism note that he’s worn the uniform and also boasts the most campaign contributions from the military of ALL republican candidates. Interesting that the “peace” candidate gets that much active duty military support…
I’ll also note that Bachmann did very well. I don’t think she got enough screen time.
Although I am not a fan of Perry’s, I thought he tried to sound less confrontational and more thoughtful. I liked his answers on allowing children to attend college with instate tuition. Sounds like he would support the DREAM act. He later said he was quite surprised that people reacted so harshly to a hypothetical about a man not having insurance but needing treatment in order to live. He said as a man who espouses pro life, that his belief extends to those needing insurance. Wonder why he was so strident on the death penalty then.
Anyway, I would never vote for him, but he sounded somewhat reasonable sometimes and I appreciated that he stood his ground even though who was booed over the tuition question.
I liked his response on the Texas version of the dream act also. @ Elena.
I would have been ok with his response on the death penalty if he had told the audience what steps he has taken to ensure that they had the right perp and all. I didn’t like that the crowd just blindly cheered for executing people without knowing anything about the cases. We all know that there have been people wrongly convicted.
I hate to admit it…..but I’m kind of moving away from Ron Paul. I have to pick another hopeless candidate, so I think I’ll go with Herman Cain. After Mo(e) and I talked Sunday (how weird is THAT?) I did a little snooping around on his 999 plan. Of course, I wouldn’t ever expect to get a clean answer anywhere (relies too much on numbers and statistics), but there are a few out there who think it would get us deficit neutral in a matter of 5 or 6 years and surpluses after that. 999 Sounds on the surface like something I could get behind. Never happen, but I think I like it!
@pokie,
Ron Paul made a few real gaffes last night. Herman Cain is also unelectible, in my opinion. What do you have against Romney?
yes, you did talk to Moe and you all were both very civil.
@Elena
So Perry’s reason for supporting the Dream Act in Texas sounded good. “Why not get these folks contributing”. Heard that before….makes a little sense. What I’d really like to see is how does it work out for these folks? I’d also like to know where he stands on all the other immigration issues.
Elena et. al.,
I would encourage folks to look at each candidate’s record, and place more creedance on how they have voted/governed in the past, and perhaps focus less on what the candidate is saying in the debates. All of the candidates are selling to the conservative base of the GOP. They need to win-over this base in order to secure the nomination. These statements, soundbites and exchanges are intended for the base, and only for the base, with the possible exception of Ron Paul (who I do NOT support). Regardless of who the nominee is, you will hear a much more centerist/moderate message when the nominee begins to campaign to the broader electorate. This is as it should be, and it should come as no surprise when it happens. This is how elections are won in this country.
But if you want to know how a candidate would actually govern, look at their record. Romney and Perry both have very moderate records. Both have made decisions that have caused concern or anger in the base. They are working around these now. However, as President, either one of these would govern as they did in MA and TX respectively. If someone is a lefty-pitcher, don’t expect for them to show up on the mound and start throwing righty. People just don’t work that way, including politicians. Saying they plan to switch throwing arms between the playoffs and the world series won’t make it so.
To illustrate my point, look at our current President. During the primaries, he ran to the left of Hillary, and made Hillary out to be almost a moderate republican, regarding her positions domestically, and almost certainly on foreign policy. He did this to secure the base. If you looked at their voting records in the Senate with any intellectual honesty, you could easily accept his argument. The Democrat Party base certainly did. But when he moved on to the general, his message became less defined, and had a more centerist tone. His voting record didn’t support that. His personal and professional associations didn’t support that either. And overall, the way he has governed during his first term is in-line with his short record of Senate votes, much more so than it was with his campaign positions and promises.
Another example would be Bill Clinton. As governor of a right-leaning state, he governed from the center. During his primary run, his message was decidedly more liberal, and his first term was slightly more left-of-center than his record as governor. I think, and others would agree, this was due to the fact that his first-lady was much more involved in policy, than previous first-ladies. Remember the whole “co-president” thing? However, when Bill started losing the middle, as the midterms show, he was able to silence the more liberal wing of his party, and began moving back to the center…where he had traditionally governed from. He was successful in doing so, and was also able to get things done inspite of his losing both houses of Congress half-way through his first term.
So, if one is planning on supporting a candidate in the GOP primaries, I would encourge them to take the time and actually look at their records, rather than relying solely on what you are hearing in the debates, and when listening to the debate and reading the analysis in the press, do so with the understanding that the entire target audience is the conservative base of the GOP. If there is manuvering and dancing going on, understand that the candidate is either trying to spin-away from some actual vote or act of governance, and to avoid being pinned into a position they cannot defend in the general. This is normal and to be expected. If you are an independent, or a member of another party, understand that at this point in the election process, the candidates really aren’t speaking to you. They are speaking to the members of their own party, for the purpose of securing their party’s nomination. They will come courting you soon enough. If you want to know how they would govern as president, look at how they governed as a governor, or voted as a congressman. In looking at this record, also do so with the understanding of where they actually governed: MA, UT, TX and understand that in some places governance required a “duck”, and in others “a goose”. Same holds true for the Congressmen and Senator that are seeking the nomination.
And I would also advise any self-identified independents to look at Obama’s record as president too. Compare that with the record of whomever the GOP nominates, before proclaiming “I would never vote for X”. This is not only wise…it’s also prudent.
Looking at how someone votes in Congress is very often deceptive. I never trust those kinds of votes.
I say “Meh.” on all of them. But, at the moment, I’m just tired of them all. Its too damn early to be paying this much attention. All of these debates are just going to overexpose them.
My biggest issue with Perry (and I have others) is his connection with IBLP which is a Bill Gothard run organization. The last thing anyone in America needs is a Gothard lackey pushing Bill’s ideals on our lives. Read in WaPo today that Perry was due to speak at Liberty. Jerry Jr. made some reference to Perry making “mistakes” re Guardisil. Gee…Jerry Jr. guess you’d know all about “mistakes” after the Ergund Caner debacle. My question: Why would a presidential hopeful slum with the likes of Gothard and Jerry Jr. (post Caner) and expect to be taken seriously? When the highly conservative evangelical Midwest Christian Outreach lambasts Gothard, and uber Baptist blogs lambast Liberty/Jerry jr. over Caner, why on God’s earth would one want to admit knowing them?
I don’t know for a fact how far Perry is into the IBLP “cult” (called this by many IBLP/ATI survivors on their websites). But what I do know as FACT is that one of Perrys donors is Dr. james Leininger who is an Advisory Board member of IBLP. I also know for a fact that Perry gave a keynote speech at the 2005 ATI homeschooling conference in Big Sandy, TX. And anyone whose anyone who knows of and about Bill, knows that speakers at ATI/IBLP events are not invited to speak unless they espouse Bill’s/IBLP’s leanings. As far as Perry’s “heavenly father” (Leininger) as the TX press calls him, Perry has made some good money off Leininger’s stock advice, Kinetic Concepts, and dealings with Leininger’s brother.
So, that in a nutshell is why I don’t like/trust him. Sure politicians have strange bedfellows, but a politician who mixes with mysoginistic, Rushdoony-lovin, David Barton-accepting, pseudo christians is a reason I’m glad my passport is up to date.
Some folks buy guns and ammo before and election. Others update their passports.
I am going to read some more about Caner. I just like my politicians cult free. Its one thing to deal with the corporations that own politicians. To throw in a cult is even more baggage.
“Why would a presidential hopeful slum with the likes of Gothard and Jerry Jr. (post Caner) and expect to be taken seriously?”
Is this any different than a Presidential hopeful hanging with Bill Ayers and Bernadine Dorn, not to mention Jeremiah Wright?
You have a small point Steve, however Gothard runs an organization that in many cases not beneficial to it’s members’ spritual and emotional health. I’m not sure how many Jeremiah Wright survivor networks exist, but there’s plenty for the ex-ATI/IBLP people.
As for Caner, he was a Dean of THEOLOGY at Liberty who deliberately FABRICATED his bio and made himself out to be an expert on jihadism. He stepped down as Dean but still teaches theology at the college. I’m sure people lie on their bios but to claim to have been in a jihadist training camp in Turkey when you were actually living in Ohio, that’s well…. I have no words.
A good read on what it was like to grow up in a Gothard household can be found in Razing Ruth (google it). “Ruth’s” father was/is high up in Gothards chain of command, and “The 49 Character Qualities of Ruth” is her story about life under Gothard and her escape. Many of the other survivor stories speak of very similar situations.