Tim Kaine is currently holding a telephone town hall meeting. It’s around noon on Monday. What an interesting strategy. He is reaching a lot of people on lunch hour and a lot of women.
Tim Kaine is the best choice for Senate. He is very concerned over sequestration coming to Virginia. He is addressing transportation issues, health care issues, job issues, and women issues. Very informative. Kaine is knowledgeable and doesn’t always think straight political ticket. I like that independence (other than the rest areas.)
A current caller wants a Constitution Amendment to do away with Citizens United. Kaine thought Citizens united was a horrible decision and agreed with the caller. He doesn’t think it would necessarily take a Constitutional Amendment. He is concerned the secret money being dumped into campaigns more so than corporations. He wants a shareholder vote for corporate giving. That seems fair. Kaine thinks this can be done via congress rather than amendment.
He tells his audience that his biggest public concern is Education. That is how he got his start, improving education in the Richmond area. He would want to be on the Education committee in the Senate.
He hasn’t once brought up Macaca. I will, however.
Kaine is for more taxes to cover the Obama cuts to defense and minimize the impact of those Obama cuts on Virginia employement. Kaine has likened Bengazi to Va Tech – thus again showing us that democrates do not understand the difference between criminal crazy and terrorism – it was not about the video now was it. Kaine’s socialism shows in his opposition to the Citizen United case where he would undue 100 years of corporate law and strenghten the unions by politically handicapping Va corporations. Kaine is against a Va contitutional amendment prohbiting the Feds, States and locals from taking private property for economic development – vice public infrastructure.
You can have the Macaca and Kaine. Va needs Allen, and Virginians need another Republican in the US Senate.
Actually your comments show how little you know about Tim Kaine. in fact you know as little as that local woman and her daughter who *starred* in that pack of lies commercial back early fall.
You vote for who you want to but don’t come here spilling BS.
Blue, I thought you wanted a Republican in the US Senate? Allen ain’t one. He’s a Democrat. Spends like one.
Also sounds like Kaine has no clue about something called the First Amendment….
If Education is a big thing for him I think the Governor should go back to grade school and study the 1A again..
What has Kaine done to your first amendmenbt rights, marin ? It doesn’t sound like you know much about ex-Gov. Kaine either, marin. Actually, George Allen isn’t anything like a democrat either.
From now on, please explain the off the wall comments.
I dont believe grade school kids study the bill of rights…just that it exists.
@marinm
Voting the lessor of two evils. Senate majority! Whats your call?
@marinm
Which governor are you talking about?
Allen didn’t do much as a Senator. What makes you think he’ll change?
He’s still the cowboy boot guy who thinks he can get a touchdown.
(don’t forget his dad, you know!)
@blue
Not to vote for evil?
Voting for evil means the terrorists win.
@marinm
As Governor, Kaine cut funding for higher education by 26 percent, all the while raising taxes on small business so that they really could not afford to hire or expand. Then, the average costs for in-state tuition and instructional fees at four-year institutions — not including room and board — rose from $3,812 in the 2005-06 school year to $5,003 in 2009-10, according to the State Council of Higher Education for Virginia.
So much for higher education. At the local level, its no better for NoVa where Kaine funded southern Va at the expense of NoVa and at that I still think its more about teachers than it is about education, technology, or infrastructure.
@blue
Why is the government paying anything into higher education? It should be 0.
@punchak
Kaine. If Kaine thinks that he can pass a law to tell a corporation that they need to hold a shareholder vote for corporate giving he doesn’t understand the idea behind the 1A and he also probably doesn’t understand how a business works.
Both of these candidates suck. We may be better served by someone currently in Student Government at a local [public] high school.
The share holders of corporations that have gone public are partial owners of that company. I would think it is the shareholders money or at least a percent is the shareholders money.
I think it is you who is missing the point regarding the first amendment, especially from an historical point of view.
“What an interesting strategy. He is reaching a lot of people on lunch hour and a lot of women”
Or the unemployed, government employees, students and/or lazy college professors, in other words, his base.
There but for the grace of God go all of us as far as employment goes. Are you suggesting those people be disenfranchised?
Actually both Kaine and Warner have bi partisan support. I would watch who I called “base.”
@Moon-howler
“What has Kaine done to your first amendmenbt rights, marin ?”
He seems to (by your words) want to modify them and do so outside of a constitutional amendment.
” Actually, George Allen isn’t anything like a democrat either.”
Yes he is. Not seeing how close they really are shows how partisan you are.
“From now on, please explain the off the wall comments.”
I don’t understand this. The “off the wall” comments are very non-partisan and are aimed at both candidates. If nothing else your comments are “off the wall” and you should explain them. But, I could care less if you do or don’t as they’ll be pretty partisan.
“I dont believe grade school kids study the bill of rights…just that it exists”
Another win for the public education system.
“The share holders of corporations that have gone public are partial owners of that company.”
Then by that logic, let them decide what they want without the government requiring one thing or another.
“I think it is you who is missing the point regarding the first amendment, especially from an historical point of view.”
Historically women weren’t allowed to vote and own property. How far would you like to go back? 🙂
“Are you suggesting those people be disenfranchises?”
Accepting your argument means that its OK for employed people to be disenfranchised.
@Marin-Congress can still make laws if they chose to do so, therefore a constitutional amendment isn’t needed. Actually he talked about the part of Citizens United that would allow for this to happen.
George Allen, and I say, no he isn’t a Democrat. You are simply full of crap about what is a Democrat and who George Allen is.
Off the wall comments–no one said partisan, just give some background if you want to be taken seriously. Or don’t. Who really cares.
Grade school kids don’t study the amendments, just that they exist. They study the amendments in government when they are older and more mature and able to understand them. Perhaps you might want to study up on Piaget and people like that. Why don’t you teach those kids of yours to read tomorrow? They aren’t ready to read. they are too young.
Again, slamming the education system because YOU didnt do what YOU were supposed to do is a lame excuse.
That last statement is absurd. Doh!!!!
“Grade school kids don’t study the amendments, just that they exist.”
Really? This seems out of place then. http://fake-4th.pwcs.socstudies.schoolfusion.us/modules/locker/files/get_group_file.phtml?fid=7300200&gid=1083708&sessionid=5002033ced6a5bedb1ab1a86d16cf983
“@Marin-Congress can still make laws if they chose to do so, therefore a constitutional amendment isn’t needed.”
How exactly would they craft a law then that would not violate the 1A on this topic? Maybe Mr. Kaine is a constitutional scholar that I am not — so — pray tell what would that law look like?
“Again, slamming the education system because YOU didnt do what YOU were supposed to do is a lame excuse.”
What exactly am I supposed to do? Kiss some teachers ass for doing their job? For not being arrested if I refused to go? For having to pay taxes now for years even thought I didn’t have any kids in the program? Or for figuring things out AFTER I got out of school and realizing how much I was robbed while I was in school.
Mr. Kaine is lawyer and yes, I expect his knowledge exceeds both yours and mine. I don’t remember his exact words about Citizens united so I am not going to try to quote him. Requiring owners of public companies to be part of the decision-making would be one example and that is the one I jotted down. He wants to cut out the secrecy also.
The kids in 4th grade study several reudimentary ideas-freedom of religion and freedom of the press to cite a few. Its nothing in depth that would allow kids to interpret the law unless someone was jailed for attending the Presyterian church or something absurd like that.
Their knowledge base and maturity just isn’t there.
No one asked you to kiss anyone’s ass. I sense a strong hostility which is not unusual for people who are basically anti education. You can do all your work, study hard, and extrend your work and understanding of topics past what was expected of you without puckering up once.
What I say next is very harsh but the nuts and bolts. The United States is part of western culture and we educate all students. We are very egalitarian about this. All children will be educated. This is what strengthens this country and makes it great. Children of beggars can be educated just like the president of the steel mill’s kids. Same education. It requires that we all invest in this education system. Even if we have no kids, an educated society is a strong society and that builds a strong country. We all participate.
If this basic core of the country isn’t acceptable to you, then perhaps you should look for a country that doesn’t believe that all citizens should be educated. There are plenty of those around. They won’t even arrest you for not sending your kids to school. The rich get richer and the poor are serfs. This is basic history.
I am not one of those who likes to say my way or get out. This isn’t my way. Its the American way because we are part of the civilized world.
“Mr. Kaine is lawyer and yes, I expect his knowledge exceeds both yours and mine. I don’t remember his exact words about Citizens united so I am not going to try to quote him.”
That’s unfortunate. It would be interesting to see what his vision is on this topic as it really goes to the core of his understanding of government.
“Requiring owners of public companies to be part of the decision-making would be one example and that is the one I jotted down.”
Which is a horrible example as it wouldn’t be constitutional.
“The kids in 4th grade study several reudimentary ideas-freedom of religion and freedom of the press to cite a few.”
….but isn’t that what I said initially? That Mr. Kaine needs to re-learn the 1A? And as I showed by that link that the 1A is taught in grade school in PWC.
” I sense a strong hostility which is not unusual for people who are basically anti education.”
I’m anti-bad education and pro-good education.
“The rich get richer and the poor are serfs.”
Even in this country the rich don’t use the public education system. They use a for-profit private education system. So, this idea that the rich steel mill owners kids go to the same school as the children of beggers is not square.
” You can do all your work, study hard, and extrend your work and understanding of topics past what was expected of you without puckering up once.”
Or, you can get a 1.1 GPA, gaffe off college and still pull in a nice chunk of change and buy a house in my early 20s. 😉
Funniest thing about those tech jobs. I hope for your sake it sustains. That is the worry most folks have….when some fancy college kid comes along behind you with lots of skill and credentials. Those are the ones who will be at the top of the food chain. Its just the way things work. A good investment might be to take the nice chunk of change and invest it in college so that you will be ready for the onslaught of young folks who will want to eat your lunch in a few year. A good model might be all those COBOL programmers who wrote a high wave because they were rare…until a new programming language come through. Its probably not a good idea to puff up about stuff like that. It brings on bad Karma.
Wrong about the rich. The real rich often use traditional schools with long blood lines that are for status, not profit necessarily. Some do use public schools. They feel it is character building. Actually I never said who went to school with whom. Its hard to generalize. it also depends on who we are classifying as rich.
BTW, the for profit schools are probably a rung under the public schools. Want status and good education? Try the religious supported schools–Paul VI, Episcopal, etc etc.
I see nothing wrong with what Kaine suggested. If you want super pacs and secret groups to control your politicians, have at it. I prefer something more democratic.
@marin
I sure hope you don’t embarrass your wife and children by always bitching and complaining about the school system, wherever you live. If you continually do it, you will do a serious disservice to your family.
You can never bully people into not thinking you are being an AH and that does spill over into family members. I knew a teacher who got a letter from a kid he taught 20 years ago at least and he apologized for what an AH his father had been to that teacher and the school. It shamed the kid and he knew people were a little frostier to him all those years because they hated his father. It was a sad story.
That is not to say that parents shouldn’t be involve or address concerns about their kids. They should. But incidents should be few,not frequent. Just remember, you can’t control what people think.
@Moon-howler
“I sure hope you don’t embarrass your wife and children by always bitching and complaining about the school system, wherever you live.”
I call it advocacy.
“…when some fancy college kid comes along behind you with lots of skill and credentials.”
Thankfully with our current Obama economy that doesn’t seem to be an issue. Many graduates are unable to secure employment. And those that do we can force them into lower salaries.
“A good investment might be to take the nice chunk of change and invest it in college so that you will be ready for the onslaught of young folks who will want to eat your lunch in a few year.”
Nothing stops that from happening today. Everyday people come out of college or technical skills and they may even have superior skills to mine. But they’re also seeking more money than the market can sustain for the work product they can offer in order to pay off inflated educational loan debt – which I have none.
Paul VI is a school I’m aiming the kids for depending on our financial situation when they get to that age. A religious education can be pricey but I think worth it if I can avoid them going to public school. A education vouncher sure would be nice! 🙂
What you call advocacy will not be seen as such. They will just think you are being a pain in the ass. It really accomplishes nothing other than make people not want to have to deal with your children. The neat thing about private school is that they will throw you out. They don’t have to put up with it and if people are obnoxious, they don’t stay.
You don’t hurt the public schools at all with your attitude. They will encourage private school and smile while making the suggestion. NO one wants to have to deal with a PITA. Meanwhile you can pay their benefits.
Vouchers won’t make it. They were declared illegal in Virginia. Most families don’t even come close to paying the per pupil costs based on their properties taxes.
As for suppressing salaries, don’t count on that happening everywhere. Also, not everyone has college loans. But, feel free to be as smug and arrogant as you want. You are inviting bad Karma.
@Moon-howler
Virginians are divided in their opinion about vouchers, according to a new poll conducted by Virginia Commonwealth University. The Commonwealth Education Poll of 801 adults was conducted March 25-April 2 and has a margin of error of +/- 4 percentage points. The poll was conducted for the Commonwealth Educational Policy Institute in the VCU School of Education. Virginians’ views on vouchers show a plurality of 47 to 44 percent in favor of giving parents vouchers to pay for their child’s tuition at a private or parochial school of their choice.
The Virginia Constitution prohibits the General Assembly from appropriating funds to any non-public schools, private charities or churches. However, it may provide tax credits for that purpose.
The Supreme Court banned tuition grants in 1964.
http://www2.vcdh.virginia.edu/civilrightstv/glossary/topic-024.html