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Kind of like watching “The Little Mermaid”. Cute to look at, not good advice for running a country.
How has YOUR way been working out for us?
Thank goodness Obama isn’t promoting class warfare … what? … you mean? … oh, ok … sorry about that. It appears that Obama IS promoting class warfare! What else could you possibly conclude from the cute little video. It certainly isn’t love thy neighbor, even if he is rich. That will get the economy going. Crucify the rich, and praise the middle class. What else would YOU call it?
I saw no crosses out there SA. No one wants to crucify them. It must be self loathing that would make you want to tax yourself rather than those making a million bux a year. I simply don’t understand why you all continue to prodect the wealthy.
I have a very wealthy close relative. You don’t think for a second I would stand up and say on no, tax me. Don’t tax him!! Not on your life. he can sure afford it for than I can.
This cartoon is Scary. Scary in its simplicity and duplicity. Scary in its drug like affect on the weaker elements of our society. Scary in its suggestion that Obama’s alternative to free enterprise and individualism is a good thing while that alternative has also been tried and failed more miserably over the course of the last centrury. Scary because Obama, like statisticians, lies about and selectively points to particular statistics. Scary because Obama’s says it outrigth; that the economic and political system upon which this country is based is not acceptable to him and – that it was “wrong” from the beginning. Scary becase the undertone of this “cartoon” is to attack conservative media analysis and criticism. You need a scary boogy man to take away your freedoms and to get you to give up your wealth and success. Obama’s class warfare is nothing new for his political ilk, he has lots of historical mentors.
To counter this approach , I intend to inspect every child’s candy bag when they visit my house and will then re-divide their candy to equalize all their efforts and rewards. When they complain, I will explain to them and their parents that this is the America that Obama has called for and if they have a problem with it, I will need to know their names and addresses.
Maybe you had better stick to something more substanative, Blue. Try doling out your own candy equitably. I am thinking about just keeping the lights out this year. Someone might fall on the leaves.
Do you ever reread what you write, just out of curiosity? Babble fest–nothing said. If you want to protect the rich, have at it. I don’t. Been there, done that.
I don’t think the point of the cartoon is to poke at conservative statistians. The point is to point at continuing to prop up the rich and thinking it is going to do the middle class any good. See what it did last time.
How is the selection coming along? Joe coming to town?
Great break down of facts. Trickle down hasn’t worked and the experiement should be thrown in the trash. Henry Ford is an economic model that was proven to work. The wealthy hold onto their money, you can only spend so much. It IS the middle class that is the economic engine in this country.
The economic engine in this country works when it is a fair playing field for all. I recommend Aftershock by Robert Riech, its a great read on the two big failures in our economy.
Or perhaps it isn’t so much Obama’s policies that are found to be objectionable as his race. I’m sure we’ve all seen the recent poll about prejudice against African-Americans. Now let the denial begin…
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_AP_POLL_RACIAL_ATTITUDES?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT
There will be great denial. I am sorry to see this although not surprised. People are definitely getting bolder about expressing their opinions.
I wonder if Blacks are more prejudiced against whites now?
Those numbers are staggering. Yet we all share a country.
Both my daughter and I (me, as a peon secretary) have worked for profit sharing companies and I’ll tell you, there’s nothing that makes you feel better and work harder than knowing that you
yourself will benefit when your company is doing well. All the profits do not go only
to those at the top. I do not consider that. This has nothing to do with equalizing incomes.
There’s no class warfare in the above spiel, just good, old common sense.
I liked it!
Thanks for that share, Punchak.
Blah, blah, blah. Please, tell me then, if it doesn’t work, how did the economic booms of the 80′ and 90’s take off? It’s not about “protecting the rich.” Its about denying the gov’t more money to waste. Its a spending problem, not a revenue problem.
This video is even worth fisking Obama’s words.
And Ford didn’t have to worry about high taxes. He could afford to pay his workers. Sounds like trickle down to me.
I say “Go for it.” Raise all the taxes that you want. Confiscate the totality of the wealth. Why not? I mean, no one has ever stated what that “fair share” is supposed to be. What is the “fair share?”
So, take it all. And finance the the government for a few weeks, at most.
http://youtu.be/Z1j-cCaKvdo
Clinton raised minimum wage, family medical leave act passed, more grants so poor kids could go to college, expanded earned income tax credit, tied executive compensation to company performance, reduction in interest rates.
There were start up businesses. Recovery with real job creation. Middle income tax cut with tax increase on the wealthiest.
No huge housing boom, not a lot of defense investments (no wars), Lots of electonic inventions and dot com.
Don’t be extremis. No one is saying confiscate anything. That is just a stupid statement and obviously not one anybody supports.
Paying workers well was not universal. In fact, it was very rare. Wages were very suppressed in those days. You are afixing a cause and effect relationship when no relationship has been established.
The model T was first introduced in 1908. The first income tax was in 1913. Hmmmmmm…do think Henry was tax or did they excuse him because he was wealthy? There was a graduated income tax, even as far back as the Civil War.
So you want to live some sort of spartan life to balance the books. The rest oof us don’t.
Too bad the film is dripping with sarcasm. I discounted all he said because it wasn’t a serious discussion.
More jumping off bridges.
“This video ISN’T”
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I could ask you the same question. But wait, we already KNOW how your way has treated us. Like Biden said: The middle class has been buried! It has been a long time since we’ve seen it “our way”.
Cargo,
Boom and bust is not a healthy cycle. I don’t portend to be an economist, but I can tell you that this last decade was not a healthy recovery. Without the continuation of new house construction, the only sector growing was defense! People were using “pretend” money, the equity they thought would last forever in their homes. Real new job creation simply did not happen.
The 80’s was also built upon new house construction and big investment in our military.
In fact, the recovery under Obama has been the first one that was void of any real new housing construction!
I’m sorry, the WHAT? under Obama? You can actually say that with a straight face? Oh, give us some of your famous “facts”: We’ve created 600 million new jobs each month for the last 36 months!! That’s 2 jobs each month for every man, woman, and child in America!
What y’all don’t realize is that boom and bust is caused by Government intervention in the market.
Yea, you could see that written all over the financial crash in 2008. Yes Sireee Bob!
Horse puckey!!!!!
@Moon-howler
Guess what else was suppressed in those days? The price of stuff!! That’s how the market works….you want to sell to a lot of people? Then a lot of people need to be able to afford it.
When again were prices suppressed? Not following the ciruclar yellow brick road.
What recovery?
It’s amazing that the narrative in many folks’ minds continues to be redistribution and socialism against hard work and personal initiative. In reality, the battle is between the big money players who have rigged the system against the rest of us (middle class, lower wage earners, upper middle class, etc.). Over the past 30 years average household income (when controlled for inflation, the number of full-time workers in the home, etc.) has stagnated at best. Pilots now make less in real terms than in 1969, for example. Social mobility in America is at an all-time low. There are many causes for this, including shifting of healthcare and pension costs to the employee, stagnant wages, union-busting, mechanization of jobs, etc. There has been a huge shift in wealth from the middle class to the most wealthy due to government intervention (tax policy, corporate rules, etc., which is no big surprise since the wealthy have the most influence with our politicians, and therefore our government. Lobbyists DO make a difference!
This straw man that the monied interests have set up that glorifies the greedy and portrays low-income hard working Americans as freeloaders seems to have fooled a lot of people, which is amazing to me. The vast majority of Americans just want a chance to work hard and get ahead, but they want a fair deal. Americans have always worked together to get things done- that’s why we’re the greatest nation in the world. Greed is NOT good, Gordon Gekko!
It’s amazing that the narrative in many folks’ minds continues to be redistribution and socialism against hard work and personal initiative.”
And if the folks who whine the most about socialism and redistribution really believed what they were saying wouldn’t they just work harder, taking second or higher paying jobs, in order to succeed? Or would they have to admit that they’re in the same boat as those they call socialists and deadbeats – pawns of the wealthy whom they think they will join just as so many high school kiddos imagine a pro football or basketball career. It’s not going to happen for the vast majority. But they’d rather dream than join some union or admit that they’re in the same boat as most of us Commies, Socialists, deadbeats, Americans. They hope that those illusive jobs are going to trickle down. (I wonder how many jobs Romney created last year as he paid a paltry tax rate – a rate not available to the average Joe who couldn’t take advantage of large capital gains write-offs.
Censored, have I ever thanked you for sharing yor wine and danish with me?
I don’t think that makes you a commie.
Tax rate. That’s all I ever hear. How about we turn that tax rate into tax dollars, then people can have a better grasp. Someone with a $10,000,000 income pays 14%, while someone with a $50,000 income pays 18% and everyone goes crazy over the difference as being unfair. Ok, lets see … 14% of $10,000,000 is $1,400,000 paid to the Federal government by one individual, while 18% of $50,000 is $9,000 paid by the other. So $1.4 million paid versus $0.009million paid, and that still isn’t enough from one individual? So does the rich person receive 1.4/.009=155 times the benefits from the Federal government for his larger share of his monetary support of the government than the lower tax dollar (not % of income) paying individual? THAT is also fact, but in dollars not percentages.
SA, look at one’s ability to pay. If I make $50k and you take 18%, I am going to be out that money. $9000 out of $50k is a lot bigger bite than $1,400,000 is out of $10,000,000.
I’ll stick to tax rates, thank you very much.
@middleman
Inflation bites everyone. Hmmm…what causes inflation? Too much money in the system.
Ok Moon, so when any organization decides to do a group purchase, and divides the cost to the group members, do they do it fairly and everyone pays the same amount, or do they divide it up based on each person’s income? Generally each person pays the same amount, because each person will benefit equally from the purchase, or at least that’s the idea. In the case of government support, the lower income individuals are provided services that are off limit to the higher income folks simply based on income level. So even though the rich pay the vast majority in supporting the government (and paying Obama’s salary) they rarely get anything in return other than people bitching they aren’t paying enough, but I guess that’s just being fair in Obama’s book.
SA, let’s say that you make $200,000 a year and I make $20,000. You pay $20,000 in taxes and I pay $2,000. Who is going to find it easier to buy food, children’s clothing, utility bills, rent or mortgages? Be realistic. The poor get a tax break, the rich get a tax break (by being able to pour more into capital gains and thus a lower rate), and the middle class generally gets stuck paying a higher percentage of their income (haha – watch that loaded word “income”).
Sounds like a fair share to me. You each pay 10%. Your argument is a good one for LOWERING taxes even further or eliminating income taxes altogether.
The real question is, what kind of society do we want as a nation. If we want a safety net for the sick and old, a public school system, a national park system, a strong military, a public road system, a public library system, R&D support, etc., etc., it takes “income redistribution.” If not, do like Cargo suggests and get rid of income taxes and have the equivalent of a third world country.
Another question is: how could any woman support a party that opposes equal pay for equal work? Amazing!
Middle man has hit another homerun with that comment.
I am amazed. I though I had seen and heard nearly everything. Apparently I was wrong.
I have not seen never seen or heard so many lies as what is coming in on my TV or through my phone from the Republican party. Tim Kaine has hurt education? How effen absurd! He is known as the education. Yea, he cut education. He also cutted his pre school program because we had had a financial crisis and he still had to have a balanced budget.
No end to lies and stupidity. I remember when REpublicans used to be honorable and decent people. Richard Nixon was a gentleman compared to many today.
There have been a lot of bridges burned. Chris Christie has some class. Show me some others….are there any others? I know one.
No doubt that it takes taxes to support a nation, but why is it that this nation is supported by only half the people? Everyone needs to pay into the pot, and only those who can barely afford the essentials of life should get a pass. The problem is that those that get a pass (and bitching about the ‘rich’) live far beyond the essentials yet claim they are hard pressed. To the person who can only afford one car I guess the person who can afford two cars is rich. It’s all relative. A homeless person thinks a person living in a trailer is rich by their standards. Even the poorest here is rich compared to some third world inhabitants. So when you complain about the rich look in the mirror, because someone out their thinks you are.
The rich really have sold you dudes a bill of goods. Cry me a river. Do you think I feel badly about multimillionaries having to part with anything extra? Hell no. Do I care about the cop on the beat or the govt worker or saleman? You betcha!! They live as middle class people.
As for those who don’t pay….Some of them are students, some are retired people, about 20% are actually the real poor. They pay paroll taxes,
I am just trying to figure out why you all are protecting them, like those idiots who circled Qaddaffi’s castle, protecting him. I understand difference in ideology, well, sorta, but I sure don’t understand protecting the rich cats.
I guess the pipe dream of you will be there some time beckons.
@middleman
OR we can go to a national sales tax….
We’re not “protecting them.” We’re just not filled with envy and consider them fellow Americans. And all Americans should be equal before the law.
Even women? Don’t tell the Cooch,
But again….what is the “fair share” that they should be paying? No one has been able to answer that question. And why would that amount be “fair?”