Well, I would have missed a couple questions out of this video, starting with the religion of everyone on board. I would have sworn they were all Pilgrims except for the crew. Wrong.
One is reminded on Oliver Stone and his attempt to uncover real American history. It isn’t necessarily what you learned in 7th grade.
Wil all the history books be rewritten?
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http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/11/19/oliver-stone-s-junk-history-of-the-united-states-debunked.html?obref=obnetwork
A critique of Oliver’s supposed history.
As for the Pilgrims…they were actually a minority on the ship. But the leaders of the Pilgrims were part of the leading council. They were originally enroute to Virginia. Blown off course and finding themselves in unknown lands…outside the law of the king, they enacted the FIRST written document on SELF-rule: The Mayflower Compact. The leaders of the pilgrims helped write it so that they were protected since they were a religious minority. Thus were the first steps to independence taken….
Cargo, I have only seen 2 episodes and I thought it was excellent.
How do we ever know what really happened? Do you think you have the inside scoop? I doubt any of us do.
I do know that Truman barely knew FDR and had only talked to him twice. How irresponsible on FDR’s part, to have gone so far and left the entire operation to a rank stranger.
How might things have been different if Truman had a little background and hadn’t intentionally insulted Molatov?
I guess we will never know.
@Moon-howler
I didn’t offer my opinion one way or the other. I was just linking to a review of someone that has read his books. I don’t pay any attention to Oliver Stone in any way. I’m not saying the review is right or wrong.
Of course, I could join in..but then we’d be here all night.
I didnt read the book, Cargo. I watched the show on Showtime. I really enjoyed it. I think that Moynihan dude had his own agenda. I didn’t find Stone commie friendly at all. What was pointed out is that the Russians lost 20 million people in that conflict. We knew that anyway but in typcial Oliver Stone style, he did beat us up with it a little.
Yea, Stalin is a psychotic bastard but we were more than willing to get into bed with him to win the war. Not even saying that is bad. Just Is
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@Moon-howler
I’ve just always thought of the Soviets as the winning AXIS power. They got everything they wanted and more.
Actually they probably didn’t get all they wanted. What language to you speak?
Could we have won that war without them? There are many historians who would emphatically say NO.
My parents always told my brothers and me that we have no idea how ‘nip and tuck’ that war really was. Its fairly scary to think about. How many Germans lost their lives on the Russian front? Turn that around….we would be goners.
@Moon-howler
Oh, we needed them. Without the Eastern Front, it would have been MUCH harder to dislodge the Nazis. A classic case of “the enemy of our enemy is our friend.”
What I mean by getting what they wanted and more…the pact between Germany and the USSR gave them half of Poland. They were a AXIS power before an Allied power.
They ended up with the entire eastern Europe. Sometimes, though, I think Patton was right, especially since we had the bomb. Pushing them back to Russia, though, would have been horrible. So….it was a bad deal all around and I think that we actually did the lesser of two evils. I think, though, that the Eastern Europeans would have to be the ones to tell us if we were wrong not to liberate them after Berlin fell.
My mother always said that Patton, Winston Churchill and my father werethe only ones who were right. 🙄
We did need them. We had to have them. When you lie down with hogs you get mud on you, I guess is the easiest explanation.
They also paid a terrible cost. Can you imagine if 20 million Americans had been lost?
Think if they had stayed with Hitler. Then we would have had them, Japan and Hitler after us and that bomb was a crap shoot.
Weird how threads go……Pilgrims to WWII?
Back to the Pilgrims….