Thanks goodness. All 4 senators from Maryland and Virginia voted in favor. We could be right back where we just came from in three months.
Channel 4 NBC reported that it could take as long as 6 months for this area to recover from the closure since October 1.
It is unsure when the federal employees will get their paychecks. It depends on the agency when employees go back to work.
The zoo will open Friday. The Smithsonian museums will open tomorrow.
Tomorrow we can discuss who was naughty and who was nice.
We should never get this close to the brink.
Well, never let it be sauid that the Tea Party people didn’t acheive anything. Yes, they made their party less popular. Yes, they made the dreaded “Obamacare” more rather than less popular, even during its abysmal rollout. Yes, they’ve helped to define their party as destructive and unable to govern.
But the did help Mitch McConnell to get 2.2 billion dollars worth of pork for his district. That’s no small acheivement. Without their histrionics and passion, McConnell could never have pulled off a score this large. Congratulations guys. http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-action/senate/328925-surprises-tucked-in-senate-debt-bill
That debt bill was full of pork. Since the Democrats didn’t need enticements, it is obvious who the pork was for. I just find it ironic.
There was the money for Sen. Lautenberg’s widow. I guess that was a dem concession.
Don’t overlook that we will pay for federal employees forced vacations and then more than likely overtime to catch up on needed work. In the meantime communities across the nation have lost revenue. All so a bunch of windbag do-nothing thugs could have a hissy fit on national tv.
I routinely chat with neighborhood Republicans on my morning walks. They’re pissed that they’ve been furloughed and gotten partial paychecks. They’re rooting for a middle-of-the-road third party to materialize.
I can’t wait. I hope whatever arises isn’t Batsh*t crazy. I think that often happens with third parties. I am thinking of those clowns who sit outside DMV, speaking of the crazy hats.
Old Faithful is back and going strong!
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My gosh, I was busy with something else and missed the finale. Did the market crash and wipe out our portfolios? Did the walls of the kingdom come tumbling down? Did the major rivers change course? Did the Grand Canyon crumble into just a rock pile? Are there dead starvation victims in the streets of Old Manassas? Did the Metro explode in the tunnel under the Potomac? Did they stop all airline flights from the rest of the world? Did the Chinese conquer the planet? Or did it happen just like every other damned time I’ve gone through it? The place just like it was before the whole thing started — except that Obama managed to piss off a whole lot of war veterans.
Was the starvation remark aimed at me? If so, that is in critically bad taste. Was that a little zinger like the one made about Krystal ball? Just a little male nastiness in her case. I will try to rise above it and tell you I truly hope you never get a phone call like the one we got last month. I can’t even respond to something like that.
There was no default. Period. However, $24 billion dollars was sucked out of the economy and lots of people are scraping by because they haven’t had pay checks. Don’t be like the little boy who pushed his sister out in front of a car. Luckily the driver was driving defensively and braked in time. But the little boy told his mother, “See nothing happened.” Nothing happened because saner, more mature heads prevailed and catastrophe was avoided.
If that is all the war veterans have to be pissed off over, then they are very lucky.
Check the polls to see where the real state of being pissed off is directed. 21%? Why not brag about that rather than act like the little boy who pushes his sister out in front of a car.
How did Obama “piss off” a bunch of war veterans? What precisely did he do?
In all the hubbub of the past three weeks I missed the Obama attack on war veterans. Most of the news I saw was about the House R shutdown.
“The place just like it was before the whole thing started — except that Obama managed to piss off a whole lot of war veterans.”
A lot of people are out 3 weeks of income – I’m not talking about federal employees, who will get back pay, but contractors who work at federal facilities. And what did I hear, 24 billion dollars lost from our economy. It’s wonderful to know that you don’t give a damn at all Wolverine, and consider it all a big joke. Three cheers for your carefree attitude.
@Rick Bentley
A lot of people are out a lot more than 3 weeks income because of Obamacare. Three cheers for your carefree attitude.
@Moon-howler
Those polls are what happens when the press is the propaganda wing for the Democrats. Zero negative reports on Democrats.
@Scout
His administration unnecessarily closed off the memorials…. using EXTRA manpower and money to barricade 24/7 open air memorials, threatening vets with arrest.
I am glad “he” (the National Park service or Dept. of Interior) closed the memorials in DC. It isn’t right for national monuments in DC to remain open while monuments around the nation are closed.
Keeping them open in DC would have been an act of local selfishness. There are people all over this country who suffered including the 20,000 NP employees who were furloughed. There was no extra manpower. It happened. It’s done. Get over it.
I absolutely cannot get over the whining over this one thing. Nearly a million federal employees were furloughed. Many government contractors were also furloughed. Those folks won’t be getting back pay checks. They are SOL. $24 Billion sucked out of the economy over this nonsense and you and some (not ALL) vets are honed in on monuments being closed in DC? Get serious.
Why do vets get the corner on whining over the monuments? The national monuments aren’t just for them. They are for everyone. If any vets were threatened with arrest, it was because they were tearing up something like we saw on video across the nation or scuffling with law enforcement.
The press is the propaganda wing for the democrats? Don’t make me laugh! Seriously, that brings victim mentality to a new level. I will remember that next time I fly by Faux News or the Washington Times or that rag Brietbart published.
The more you say on the monuments the more selfish and petty you look. There are so many more important things.
Oh dear God….the Affordable Care Act is settled law. Get over it. Contact your congressman to make corrections once you figure out what you don’t like about it.
I honestly don’t think I can stand to type those words any more. ITS THE EFFEN LAW! It doesn’t matter if you an I don’t want it to be. It is. If we don’t like laws, we don’t riot over it. We petition congress to change the law.
Please…I beg you…stop repeating the same old thing. It isn’t going to make the ACA not settled law if you repeat it enough.
It’s 24 billion, not million. Gone like the wind. Basically so that Mitch McConnell could bring 2 billion worth in pork to Kentucky.
Correction noted and corrected. Billion with a B. My typo.
I will let McConnell have his pork at this rate. Irony noted, however.
http://washingtonexaminer.com/tv-network-stories-blame-republicans-21-0-for-shutdown-not-democrats/article/2536734 for example.
The media do not investigate Obama as they would a Republican President. The media gives Democrats a pass compared to Republicans.
Because a small fraction is not part of the Democrat propaganda arm…like Breitbart…NONE of them are?
Yes, the ACA is settled law…..except when Obama wants to reward a political ally with a waiver.
Funny how that works.
Well, now that its being implemented, the House should get right on implementing it more quickly…. cancel those waivers. Implement it now. All of it. Y’all wanted it. Y’all can have it good and hard.
Yeah, I hardly ever hear any criticism of Obama.
I know that I reiterate myself, but let me try to make this argument again without talking about Boehner’s scrotum or the id of the right wing voter.
The US is like a very big machine, or a very big corporation – large, complicated, and full of interlocking parts. Congress and the President are like the governing board. We are in fact more or less in competition with other countries/companies,
The governing board should not decide to pull the brakes on the whole thing because of petulance. At least, not when it’s not even in the service of any rational goal. Imagine if the chairman of IBM or Google or Haliburton decided that they were frustrated with having to pay the amount of rent they were being charged on their headquarters, so they were going to suspend operations for a few weeks while they negotiated a better rate. Customers who could demonstrate “emergency need” might get some product, but everyone else would have to wait. And they were strongly considering defaulting on all obligations, until they felt better about the world.
Confidence in that company would diminish. Their stock price would be affected. Competitors would make hay. In the end the company would surely suffer. I presume that they wouldn’t be able to negotiate their rent down, would have to pay back wages to employees in all likelihood, and would lose revenue – maybe as much as 24 billion dollars in a very large case.
This is what the Republicans just did to America. IMO they’ve revealed themselves as unfit to govern. Sloganeering is all well and good, but at some point you are expected to do what’s good for your country rather than to lecture and whine and complain and throw fits. Even if you believe in limited government, and dislike liberal solutions, the level of immaturity here has to give one pause. There’s no leadership in evidence – not even a little bit.
@Rick Bentley
When one is in a bus heading for a cliff, deviating a little to the left or right will mean that you still head over the cliff. The Tea Party is trying to apply the brakes or turn the bus to run parallel, if they can’t make a U turn. And as you get closer to the cliff, the attempts to stop it will become more and more radical.
The Republicans asking for a MERE ONE YEAR DELAY….are unfit to govern? Not the extremists that refuse to amend the ACA unless its for a political ally? Okay then.
As I said elsewhere….let it be implemented. ALL of it. Now. No more waivers or delays, for everyone. Get rid of the debt limit…especially since Congress just allowed the President to usurp the power to borrow money. Spend spend spend.
Wiemar Republic…here we come.
Sound bytes. Spend spend spend sounds like some’s spouse with a new credit card.
Talking realistically where to make cuts sound like a little more than a sound byte and more to the point.
“May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one.”
Just sayin’……
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/oct/18/us-debt-jumps-400-billion-tops-17-trillion-first-t/
“Usually Congress sets a borrowing limit, or debt ceiling, that caps the total amount the government can be in the red.
But under the terms of this week’s deal, Congress set a deadline instead of a dollar cap. That means debt can rise as much as Mr. Obama and Congress want it to, until the Feb. 7 deadline.”
I predict that we will borrow almost a trillion by Feb 7. And that is not counting the continuing 85 billion per week to prop up the stock market bubble. Funny how the Treasury was able to magically stop from going over the debt ceiling for 5 months…… and now, suddenly, this money is needed.
Better start getting those wheelbarrows ready…. when this scam collapses…everyone will pay.
Quaere: what’s the story Wolverine is referring to about the President “pissing off veterans”? I was so busy following the House R’s shutdown, that I missed that. I have been generally very impressed with how this President has been extremely solicitous of veterans and active members of the military. It’s very hard to imagine that he would do something that would harm or insult them.
@Scout
Closing open air, 24/7 memorials with blockades and guards and stopping death payments to the families of killed soldiers.
You keep wanting to close government and then have all these exceptions for things that you really don’t want be closed. The simple way around that is to fund the government.
Seriously. This is a fairly binary process. The government is open, the government is closed because it is not funded.
“When one is in a bus heading for a cliff, deviating a little to the left or right will mean that you still head over the cliff. The Tea Party is trying to apply the brakes or turn the bus to run parallel, if they can’t make a U turn. ”
What I hear here is “stop the world, I want to get off”.
We spend 4 trillion dollars a year, and take in 2.4 trillion (nearly all taxes). So 40% of all our spending is debt.
In the 1990’s, we were up to 30% of spending as debt. After focus on this issue – I recommend reading Woodward’s “The Agenda” (the heroes in the book are Panetta, Bentsen, and Clinton) we got it down to 0% by 2001.
Then, we cut taxes, and since then raising them back to 1990’s levels has been impossible. We fought wars and built huge new intelligence organizations, but chose not to raise taxes. The American people will not elect candidates to speak of raising taxes. It’s a “non-starter”. And now we’re up to 40%.
So you tell me, is it any mystery as to why we’re taking on so much debt? We had the formula for success, and we collectively threw it away.
The cost of welfare from federal coffers each year is about 700 billion; cost of unemployment benefits is around 200 billion. So even if we chose to let children starve and the unemployed live on the streets, we’d still be running at a deficit.
Now if we were to grow while taxing at responsible levels, we could reduce the debt or, if we chose to, wipe it out. This was only 13 years ago – http://abcnews.go.com/Business/story?id=88866
The impediment to reducing debt is not the “slick characters” in Washington, or the polarized nature of our society, or reid or Obama or Pelosi or Cruz. The impediment is how stubborn and out of touch with reality the great unwashed are out there. They don’t wanna pay taxes, they ain’t gonna pay taxes, they just want to periodically grab the side of our crib with their little fists and shake it and scream that the debt’s too big.