Several people have things to say that have no place to go. I hope DB will come back and give us more information on that book. Also, Rep. Weiner is on all the talk shows telling us why he is so angry.

Slowpoke is a new daddy. Congratulations Slowpoke Rodriguez on the birth of Little Slowpoke.

111 Thoughts to “Open Thread Week of August 2, 2010”

  1. DB

    The book Quiverfull is so full of info but I will share some “gems”. One of my favorite chapters is the one called: Titus 2 Submission and War. The “war” that followers of the quiverfull philosophy are fighting is the war against feminism. “Feminism” as defined by them, is the result of women achieving higher education and having careers. Nancy Campbell, author of Be Fruitful and Multiply, said this in an interview in the book: “By the time you get through college, a young woman is really brainwashed against the biblical understanding of marriage and home and motherhood.”

    Eve,according to followers, was created to be Adam’s servant and companion, but Adam was given God’s authority over her. However, Eve had a feminist heart, and wanted more for herself and thus ate the apple. Had she asked Adam first and given him authority over her decisions, surely they would not have eaten the apple and God would not have become angry. But see? Eve desired knowledge, and that is not becoming in a woman. It merely causes problems.

    As Marth Peace states in her book The Excellent Wife: “If you disobey your husband you are indirectly shaking your fist at God….When you rebel against your husband’s authority, you are grievously sinning.”

    The Quiverfull philosophy does not belong to a specific denomination, and families may follow Gothard or Phillips or someone else. Some attend a church, but many home church, and the father is responsible for his family’s biblical education. And within families the legalism may differ. But many of the highly legalistic followers may do the following:
    homeschool with specific curriculums (ie Gothard’s Wisdom Booklets)
    associate ONLY with “like-minded” friends and family members
    women dress modestly to avoid spiritually defrauding men (no pants and no collarbone showing)
    homebirths with a midwife or unassisted
    10+ children
    live debt free and not accept government assistance even if you need it
    only men vote
    gender seperation during gatherings
    no TV, newspapers, radio or magazines
    no higher education for females
    arranged marriages
    no working outside the home for wives or daughters
    and the belief that the world is only 6000 years old

    But there are political forces behind the movement as best explained in the book: This Christian patriarchy movement finds its fullest expression in families following what they call the Quiverfull philosophy. Here, in direct and conscious opposition to feminist calls for gender equality and marriage equity, women live within stringently enforced doctrines of wifely submission and male headship. They eschew all contraception in favor of the philosophy of letting God give them as many children as possible-families of twelve or more children that will, they hope, enable them to win the religion and culture wars through demographic means: by reproducing more than other social groups.

  2. That is pretty horrible. I hope Amazon has the book. quiverful?

  3. Not on any of the ibooks, ebooks or kindle. grrrrrr

  4. DB

    I got mine at Barnes and Noble. I had to ask for it to be ordered, but it only took a couple of days. The title is Quiverfull: Inside the Christian Patriarchy Movement, the author is Kathryn Joyce. I think you can also order it thru Vyckie Garrison’s excellent site, No Longer Quivering. Her site offers first hand accounts of the patriarchy movement’s effects on women from those who joined it and those who were raised in it. Lots of information to be found there.

  5. Amazon has it…or at least will order it. I just wanted it on Kindle so I can change text size.

    How did you find out about these freaks of nature?

  6. DB

    I began by reading the Duggar thread on TWOP which led me to the free jinger discussion site which is a trove of information related to fundamental christianity and the QF movement. From there I discovered Vyckie’s site, cult watch ministry, the Jen Epstein v. Doug Phillips story, IBLP/ATI, vision forum, theonomy, legalism, dominionism, titus 2, the Ergund Caner debacle, and links to family blogs by those in the movement. The movement is quite large member-wise, and some of the big time leaders are worth millions upon millions. Gothard even got some public school systems to purchase his character curriculm. Some “famous” QF followers include Huckabee (who attended Gothard’s IBLP training), Kirk Cameron (a VF follower and creationism activist), Rusty and Andrea Yates, and of course the Duggar and Bates families of TLC fame (who are Gothard followers).

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