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I’m still focused on the 18th for Virginia’s arguement. 🙂
It is no wonder that more decent people don’t run for office. Who wants to do that to themselves.
Juturna, will you be going to Verizon on the 28th?
Huge numbers out of GOOG tonight. Anyone still short tech is going to get smoked like a cheap cigarillo tomorrow. AAPL reports on Monday, get ready for a home run shot to the upper deck.
All my money is now going to replace a heating sytem 🙁
But if you’d like to buy me one for Christmas……
Howler don’t get too excited, you have to buy an additional 130.00 gadget to connect to the Verizon network via WiFi. So, no CDMA iPad just existing WiFi version. Lame.
Cato, I am studying that. My ipad cost $130 more for the 3g also. sigh. I just think it is a good sign that Verizon is official now. I have a fairly good deal on my 3g. I got in the very last day on unlimited for $30 a month.
I want the price wars to begin.
Google–pretty sweet. Up almost 49 bux. I wish I owned a lot. I don’t. Just a little.
guess all tech funds have google in them though. I always forget to count funds.
Apple another 2 plus after hours. Sweet.
I’d put John Kerry’s military record up against Dick “Deferment” Cheney’s any day. When Kerry heard gunfire and saw a wounded buddy go down it wasn’t because he’d shot him in the face on the bird hunting battlefields of south Texas. And Cheney didn’t even have the decency to apologize. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/10/13/AR2010101307173.html?hpid=moreheadlines
Kerry’s Purple Heart was earned so honorably, for a 3 millimeter wound that required nothing more than a bandaid (no sutures) that he falsely claimed was from gunfire. Wonder if he drives around with those Purple Heart license tags? When I think about the wounded vets I used to work with, I am sickened by this all over again. “Swiftboating” was mild treatment compared to what he really deserves.
correction: his first Purple Heart.
@Moon-howler
Seagate getting taken private + GOOG + AAPL in VZ = good setup for a bull stampede tomorrow. Watch USD/JPY overnight and before the bell though, any dollar strength could rain on our parade.
USD = US Dollar, JPY = Japanese Yen. Currencies trade in pairs. If you buy USD/JPY you are long the dollar against the yen. If you sell it then you are short dollar against the yen.
The “carry trade” is when traders borrow a weak currency in a low interest rate environment and then use the borrowed money to invest in a higher yielding asset (in this case the US equity market). Also in this case, the US dollar is being driven lower by an expectation of an interest rate less than zero (which can be caused by driving the rate of inflation above interest rates). Which brings us to what’s currently going on today – traders are borrowing dollars with both hands with the expectation of paying it back in “tomorrow” dollars thereby monetizing their debt.
All that is a very long winded way of saying keep your eye on this: http://data.cnbc.com/quotes/JPY%3dX. If it starts to rise the market will correct. Also keep an eye on this: http://data.cnbc.com/quotes/EUR%3dX/tab/2. If it falls to 1.37 consider it a yellow flag, if if falls to 1.31 it’s time to hit the exits.
Until then, enjoy the party 🙂
@Morris Davis Funny you mention that, since VP Biden got five student draft deferments too, just like Cheney!
Now Emma, were you there? Did you see him get shot?
Some of you all are really being partisan.
Hearing about a vet being trashed like Kerry was trashed really sickens me. Would he gain status if he was missing a few limbs like Max Cleland? That sure didn’t save him from being talked about as badly as Kerry.
Of course, poor John McCain spent 5 years in a POW prison in North Vietnam. He was also trashed over his service, and by whom? Republicans. I never heard Democrats trash Senator McCain over anything having to do with his service or his time as a POW.
I just don’t believe in doing that. I didn’t support McCain but I also didn’t stand still for anyone trashing his military record. Walk a mile in his shoes….
There was absolutely no record or any eyewitness accounts of any gunfire occurring that night. That is public record.
Biden and Cheney both should have gotten deferments. They were either in college or parents when they got them. You also got deferments if you were married.
Biden turned 26 in 1968. Cheney in 1967. Biden was married in 1966 and Cheney in 1964. They were the right age. If they had been 4 years younger, all those deferments would have been pretty much out the window.
Are we talking about the same Vietnam War? There was always gunfire somewhere. Does anyone think there was public record of that? Bridge for sale….[best Jon Stewart voice]
Why not just say you hate the son of a bitch and be done with it? That is far more respectable than trying to character assassinate someone.
Matters of public record are not character assassination.
Here is a link to a summary of Kerry’s medical record. http://homepage.mac.com/chinesemac/kerry_medals/PDFs/Doyle.pdf
He still has shrapnel in his leg from his military service in Vietnam. I guess he’s more fortunate than Harry Whittington … Whittington has 30 pieces of shrapnel in his body as a result of bird hunting with Cheney.
Wait a minute….that argument is set up in the negative. There is no public record of any shots being fired that night…That certainly proves nothing. In a war zone? I don’t think public records were kept of who fired and who didn’t fire. And character assassination is character assassination. Relying on something that doesn’t exist? 🙄
How about all those people buried in Arlington National Cemetery. How many of us would be willing to bet the ranch that we know exactly who is buried where? Military records, you know.
I don’t think shots fired in the military become matters of public record. Moe? George? Help me out here.
I am so disappointed in posters here that would denegrate ANY soldiers medals. Is this how low we have sunk? Are people going to question EVERY elected officials war record? Or maybe it’s just democrats. To qualify or defend Senator Kerry’s service in Vietnam is just not a conversation that I find credible. Has anyone who read the swiftboating book looked into the credibility of its authors?
Moe, stop it, you are making my sides hurt from laughing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Are you in your typing attire?
Sounds like a boxer rebellion to me.
I notice that no one has objected to his “service” after he was in Vietnam. He did aid and abet the enemy. He did lie at the Winter Soldier hearings. All this he did while still under orders of the US Navy.
Since his character is shown to be, at best, weak, AFTER arriving back in the States, and the reports and explanations of his Vietnam activities appear to match those proclivities, I feel that the Swift Boat Vets explanations hold more than a grain of truth.
The man couldn’t even tell the truth about throwing his medals over the White House fence. You know, the ones that earned by the reports that HE wrote.
He is a hypocritical, lying, scumbag that disgraced his service and helped kill American service members.
@cargosquid Thank you, Cargo. I don’t think that just because someone has worn a uniform, he should be immune from the consequences of his actions. Are we to excuse the soldiers at Abu Graib, then, for the way they treated prisoners? By that logic, they should not undergo “character assassination” either. And I don’t care how politically unpopular a war becomes–you simply don’t throw your fellow soldiers under the bus when you come home.
I have read both sides of the argument, back when it was relevant. I don’t feel his critics have any more veracity than his supporters.
I say this as a person who was not any part of the anti war movement. Perhaps things look different to me because I have sat around with drunk marines, GIs, sailors during the Vietnam War and have listened to their tales. They weren’t all pretty. Not even close. Were they all lying? I don’t think so.
The real liars were some of our top ranking officers who falsified body counts and deliberately misrepresented how things were going to Congress and the President. The real liars were people I used to have great respect for.
History can rewrite itself anyway people want. It looks a little different to those of us who were alive and kicking during those times and a lot different to those of us who are no longer alive and kicking and who have their names on the wall. I had no reason to doubt John Kerry at the time. Many many people I know, contemporaries who are also vets feel what he did was incredibly brave, in light of the political drama that was whirling around him.
I also know people who wore the Calley patch. Now there is a sick little mofo who would have gladly thrown others under the bus. He was a fragging looking for a place to happen.
Cargo….I am trying to remember where he threw specific people under the bus. I cannot recall that. Refresh my mind for me please.
@Elena
I am so disappointed in posters here that would denegrate ANY soldiers medals.
Would that include medals earned by Waffen SS soldiers?
If you change that to “hypocritical, lying scumbag that IS A DISGRACE AND TOO BIG A COWARD TO HAVE SERVED IN THE MILITARY and helped kill American service members” it would be an apt description of Dick Cheney. He never put himself (he said he had more important things to do) or his family members in harms way, but he didn’t have any problem sending others off to die on a fool’s erand and a lie in Iraq. Thousands of lives, thousands of limbs, and billions of dollars and not a trace of WMD. If Cheney won’t apolgize for shooting a friend in the face I doubt he’d apologize for invading a sovereign country under false pretenses. That says something about character (or the lack thereof).
How did Kerry’s record becpme about Dick Cheney?
Because Mr. Davis can’t defend his support for a hypocritical, lying scumbag that disgraced his uniform, arguably committed treason, and helped kill Americans.
He has to bring in a politician that he dislikes and criticize him because he used deferments that many others also received, to change the subject. Mr. Davis doesn’t support our operations in Iraq and doesn’t approve of Mr. Cheney. He criticizes Cheney for something that EVERY politician does. Including all of Mr. Davis’s liberal allies that gave President Bush authorization to invade.
Of course, Mr. Davis still is on the canard of “invading under false pretenses.” He is welcome to it. No amount of argument about strategic needs or even evidence of mothballed nuclear programs will convince him otherwise. Its too easy just to say, “Bush Lied, People died.”
Of course, I see no criticism of President Clinton’s non-service. He also sent men into combat. WITHOUT authorization. And they died too.
Speaking for Elena, I would venture to say she meant US soldiers. Had I said it, I would have included Confederate soldiers. (all honorably discharged). I don’t give a rat’s ass about medals earned or obtained by any German SS. My parents didn’t spend 4 years of their life in service so they praise Nazis.
Those people are either dead and gone or very old men. I don’t wish them any ill at this stage of their life. Nor do I intend on praising them.
I have to ask, why is there all this sympathy for German units who were clearly the enemy of our country? It has to be because of the old Tea Party label. I would seriously take another look at that. I don’t think glorifying our former enemies is particulary American or patriotic.
I was willing to give Iott a pass and brush it off with a remark suggesting he should have been more prepared for questions about his participation. As I said, I invested far too much time on him. I should have gone with my first instincts. I think you all are just being sensitive because of previous labels hung on the tea party.
Bill Clinton, like many others, was able to get a deferment. Most people at the university level tried. He was not unique.
I also addressed both Cheney and Biden getting deferments and explained why. Age and maritial status had EVERYthing to do with it. Had they been 4 years younger, it would not have been a qualifier for deferment.
Cargo, I am uncomfortable with Kerry being called a lying scumbag. Many people do not agree with that assessment, me being one of those people. How about General Westmoreland being called a lying scumbag?
I don’t even know why Kerry is being discussed. It isn’t relevant. For every person who thinks he is one, there is a person who doesn’t, and it is offensive. And if we substituted George Bush for Kerry, I wouldn’t like that either.
Moe Davis didn’t say that Bush died and people died. He is far too articulate to fall back on street slogans.
Moon, if he was lying, then he was a lying scumbag.
But that is basically what he meant: “but he didn’t have any problem sending others off to die on a fool’s erand and a lie in Iraq.”
except that he’s using Cheney. Of course, he’s still getting it wrong. Cheney had no authority to do anything. Vice-President ring a bell. If he must impugn a reputation, at least get it right. It was BUSH that sent the troops over there, authorized by Congress, both Democrat and Republican.
Why is it when you point out anything objectionable that a Democrat has done, the counter-argument is always, “Well, what about (fill in the blank with your favorite hated conservative)?”
Cheney got deferments, Cheney served as VP during wartime, soldiers died. Biden got deferments, Biden is VP during wartime, soldiers are still dying. WTF is the difference? Neither one of them had or has the power to send anyone to war.
Isn’t there anyone out there who, just for once, would like to see the bar raised rather than go to ridiculous lengths to defend the indefensible?
You must have missed the part where I defended Cheney and pointed out why he should have gotten a deferment along with Biden. funny about that selective reading.
Why is it when I attempt to be fair to Dem and Rep that no one notices?
Here you go:
comment # 73
Right above that I stuck up for McCain. I guess we see what we want to see.
@Moon-howler My comments were directed more at Morris Davis than at you, Moon, since he’s the one who harped on Cheney’s hunting accident. I fail to see where Cheney’s hunting accident has anything to do with Kerry’s warped war record, but Morris is simply jumping on the left’s bandwagon by bringing up the old incident. What was the point of the Post even bringing that incident up this week? It’s old news. Is it because the Democrats can’t crow about their stellar record over the last two years? It looks for all the world like they really have nothing else to brag about, so now it’s time to drag out any old news they can find about their most-hated conservatives. Smells a lot like desperation to me.