There’s been recent discussion about the initial resolution and what it said or didn’t say. So, I thought it would be a good idea to review. Again, this is the initial resolution submitted by John Stirup of the Gainesville District in the Sping of 2007. If had some interesting aspects including allowing citizens to sue the County government for non-enforcement. I always thought this was one of the oddest things ever seen. Who actively encourages people to sue them?
WHEREAS, the Virginia State Code, Section 15-2-1700, states that any locality may provide for the protection of its inhabitants and property and for the preservation of peace and good order therein;
WHEREAS, the Prince William County Board of Supervisors has determined that illegal immigration is causing economic hardship and lawlessness in this County and that illegal immigration may be encouraged by public agencies within the county by failing to verify immigration status as a condition of providing public services.
NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED that the Prince William County Board of County Supervisors does hereby amend the Prince William County Code as follows:
A. All officials, agencies, and personnel of the County shall fully comply with and, to the full extent permitted by law, support the enforcement of federal law prohibiting the entry into, presence or residence in the United States of aliens in violation of federal immigration law.
B. County Police Officers shall inquire into the citizenship or immigration status of any person detained for a violation of a state law or municipal ordinance, regardless of the person’s national origin, ethnicity, or race where such inquiry does not expand the duration of the detention. In all such cases where a person indicates that he or she is not a citizen or national of the United States, the Police Department shall verify whether of not the person is lawfully present in the United States, pursuant to United States Code Title 8, subsection 1373( c ). If the person is verified to be unlawfully present in the United States, the Police Department shall cooperate with any request by federal immigration authorities to detain the alien or transfer the alien to the custody of the federal government.
C. Pursuant to United States Code Title 8, sections 1373 and 1644, no official, personnel or agent of the County, including officers and personnel of the Police Department, may be prohibited or in any way restricted from sending, receiving, or maintaining, information regarding the immigration status, lawful or unlawful, of any individual, or exchanging such information with any other federal, state or local government entity for the following official purposes:
1. Determination of eligibility for any federal, state or local public benefit, service or license which is restricted, in whole or in part, to persons who are not United States Citizens or non-qualified aliens, pursuant to Virginia Code Ann. 32.1-325.03; Virginia Code Ann. 63.2 – 503.1; and United States Code Title 8, Section 1621;
2. Verification of any claim of legal domicile within the County by a person who asserts that he or she is not a citizen, national or legal resident alien of the United States; where legal domicile is required by law or contract;
D. The Police Department of the County shall as quickly as practicable enter into a cooperative agreement with the United States Department of Homeland Security, pursuant to United States Code Title 8, subsection 1357 (g), to designate specific County law enforcement officers qualified to exercise the enforcement powers of federal immigration officers in the United States; and to establish a protocol for the expedited transfer of verified illegal aliens into federal custody. The Police Department may negotiate the cooperative agreement or participate in its implementation in partnership with other state or local law enforcement agencies.
E. The provisions of this section shall allow for a private right of action by any natural or legal person lawfully domiciled in this County to file for a writ of mandamus to compel any non-cooperating agency to comply with such reporting laws.
Turn PW Blue said on 18 Apr 2008 at 1:14 pm:
GL post a scan of just the top portion as part of this posting.
HSM has a PDF of the response from Chief Deane to their FOIA request for the General Order at http://www.helpsavemanassas.org/files/docs/pwcpd_foia_20070625.pdf.
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/\/\3|)iç 64 said on 18 Apr 2008 at 1:58 pm:
# Emma said on 18 Apr 2008 at 8:22 am:
Hey, Kenneth R., there is no need to SHOUT. Did you vote in the last election? It’s sad when there is a poor turnout, then people gripe incessantly about their elected officials. All of those who sat on their butts on election day becaause they didn’t like the weather, didn’t feel like leaving their house, didn’t think the election was important enough–I could go on–got exactly what they deserved for choosing not to participate. They let a small majority decide for them.
Some people never learn. I have basically stopped responding to him since he doesn’t want to follow the etiquette. No one shouts at me and should expect a response. I would rather read all lower case letters than to have all caps in a post.
I THOUGHT I EXPLAINED THE CAPS…CAN ANYONE TELL ME THE RIGHT WAY? I KNOW THAT ‘WEIRD ADDRESS’ WANTS AN EXCUSE NOT TO TALK TO ME BUT HE NEEDS SOMETHING BETTER THAN THIS LAME REMARK!! I WILL TYPE IN SMALL LETTERS HENCEFORTH FOR HIS BENFIT. I DONT SHOUT AT PEOPLE. I AM A MAN OF REASON, INTELLECT AND HUMILITY AND SHOUTS ONLY AT MY DOG WHEN HE WONT COME IN IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NITE…..
Reading this, it makes one wonder whether those who pushed the resolution were really just looking for the right moment to make their move and needed something that they could use as a catalyst for the community. Implying that the Chief of Police had created a “sanctuary” policy would certainly get people stirred up.
FROM KENNETH – reading this reminds me of what the PWC had already been doing effectively before the pols got their dirty hands involved in the operations of the dept. the only difference now as i understand it, is that the Latino community is ‘clamming up’ as to helping police find the real criminals. So the resolution is a net loss to the community….
Kenneth:
You can enclose the text you want to quote in a BLOCKQUOTE tag which is typed like this:
<blockquote> Text you’re quoting. </blockquote>
If that doesn’t work for you, simple separate the quoted text from your response by putting the quote in, well, quotes and typing your response.
Moonhowler, there was in fact, a policy within the police department that prohibited officers asking of indiviudals their immmigration status unless it was necessary for the investigation. It was not a “policy memo” but a “General Order”, which is the rule book for the officers. If the information was necessary, asking was permitted.
Kgotthard, the 287(G) program grants the power of enforcement of immigration laws to those specific officers who receive the training from ICE. However, the code section (it actually is 287(G) under US code – hence the program name, requires that those officers must be supervised and report to a ICE agent for enforcement purposes. Also, those officers who are trained can recommend deportation proceedings but only the ICE officer can actually conduct the process. The program is paid for by the feds, but of course the salaries are paid by the locals.
I had explained it to you on a few occasions on other threads. I will explain again here:
Proper netiquette is not to type in all caps because it is considered shouting. Please peruse the link for more information.
That quote looks reeealllyyyy familiar 🙂
Interesting Manassas Park Stats
Races in Manassas Park:
White Non-Hispanic (67.2%)
Hispanic (15.0%)
Black (11.2%)
Other race (8.1%)
Two or more races (3.3%)
Filipino (1.2%)
Other Asian (0.9%)
American Indian (0.9%)
Vietnamese (0.7%)
Asian Indian (0.6%)
http://www.city-data.com/city/Manassas-Park-Virginia.html
I tend to use caps also when I’m trying to emphasize or set text apart. Many of us are not HTML savvy.
What makes them so interesting? Looks diverse to me. Lots of different groups represented.
I do the same thing. That is the way it should be in a forum such as this.
<Turn PW Blue said on 18 Apr 2008 at 2:47 pm:
Kenneth:
You can enclose the text you want to quote in a BLOCKQUOTE tag which is typed like this:
If that doesn’t work for you, simple separate the quoted text from your response by putting the quote in, well, quotes and typing your response.>
Thank you Turn Blue…i am great at immigration arguments!! But totally useless in doing this?????
Turn PW Blue said on 18 Apr 2008 at 2:47 pm:
Kenneth:
You can enclose the text you want to quote in a BLOCKQUOTE tag which is typed like this:
If that doesn’t work for you, simple separate the quoted text from your response by putting the quote in, well, quotes and typing your response.
what hath God wroght…this just may work for me!! Thank you……
Kenneth Reynolds,
CONGRATULATIONS! I haven’t even figured out how to do that yet!
I may get brave and try it soon 🙂
How can something be deemed a failure in just 2 short months? Things take time and I am glad to hear you will be with me If and when it fails, but until then I want to see what I can do as Joe Citizen to make sure it does not fail. If people are going to sand bag this resolution before it has had a chance to work, then you are not looking for solutions. Remember, not all solutions will fit neatly into everyone’s little world. This takes time and it should be given time to work OR fail.
KENNETH – What part if fail dont you understand. The services part is a sad joke…..and the police part was DOA…….all arrestees must already be arrested for something else..lose – lose for the police…….
Regarding the supposed memo that wasn’t. Is THIS what was making the other say that Chief Deane, OUR Chief Deane, had declared Prince William County a sanctuary county? That is shameless use of propaganda.
The general order just sounds like common sense to me and prehaps is best stated by ‘Officers have no statutory authority to arrest undocumented immigrants for violation of Federal immigration laws.’
This entire ‘Resolution’ has been built on lies and half truths for political gain.
Thanks to Turn PW Blue and Lucky Duck for the info.
Medic64,
We are friends but we have agree to disagree over the spreading of poison. I believe the OTHER is full of poison. If you listen to Ms. Elena’s remarks to the BOCS, they say it all.
Another example of poison can be seen in my above paragraph. I have just lost all respect in that camp.
Medic, I think those stats are interesting because of all the complaints about “illegals” taking over especially in that area. First, if we assume that not every minority in Manassas Park is illegal, we can deduct from the numbers. That still leaves well over 50% dominance of “whites” (whatever that means) and “legals”.
Yet people FEAR this kind of demographic. They refer to it as a “takeover” and like to lump every minority into that category. If you aren’t illegal, you are at least a suspect if you don’t look “white.”
Anyway, that’s why I find the numbers interesting.
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I’m testing this out.
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I must be a moron. : )
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Forget it. I’ll just keep putting things in quotes!
<blockquote>text you are quoting</blockquote> <– This is important Medic is a programmer. 🙂
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