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Did the police inquire about the women’s immigration status? Otherwise, it sounds like they were just doing their job,following up on a citizen concern and apparently behaving professionally, albeit embarrassed.
Turn PW Blue,
Since it is an a relatively early event on Sunday, I am taking my kids with me, I think a few other parents are too! I would love to meet such an articulate writer 🙂
Emma,
Since when does being a hispanic woman warrant “suspicion” ? Why should citizens be concerned because they see hispanic women?
Emma,
Question here. Do you feel the police should have been askinig about the women’s immigration status?
I believe the resolution has created an atmosphere of mistrust and suspicion. Some illegal immigrants commit crimes. Not all do, not by a long shot.
I have not talked to a person who does not support the 287(g) jail program. No one wants criminals, alien or otherwise, on the streets. Most people I have talked with want to put more resources into the jail and stop all the silliness trying to make our police ICE agents. It is a waste of valuable resources when resources are limited.
I have heard all sorts of speculation about savings from getting rid of ‘the illegals.’ Balderdash! It hasn’t happened and might not happen. The 600 fewer kids in ESOL isn’t going to cough up 6 million extra dollars. 600 kids divided among 84 schools is a drop in the bucket. The same teacher is still needed for the ones that didn’t move. Rather than listening to the OTHER, call the PWC school finance office and see what kind of tale they tell.
I am just so glad Turn PW Blue is here. Hopefully he will be able to join us Sunday night.
No,Moon Howler, I certainly do NOT believe that the police should have been asking about the women’s immigration status–they apparently received a call from someone about a trespassing concern,and they were obligated to follow up on the call. That is what I meant by doing their job. No crime, no arrest, no need for that sort of question–they were just looking for a bird, right? But the police can’t just ignore a trespassing complaint because the persons might be Hispanic. Perhaps the citizen who made the call in the first place might have questioned the women him/herself or even offered assistance in finding the bird.
You shouldn’t assume the worst about people who have some disagreement with you.
Emma,
You still have not answered the basic question. Since when do hispanic women taking a walk qualify as suspicious?
I didn’t say they that, if you read my post. I don’t even know the whole story, just following up from PW–I just said that it sounds like the police were following up on a citizen call–something they are obligated to do. Since I’m not the citizen who originally called the police, I have no idea why he/she decided the two Hispanic women were acting suspicious. Note that I said that perhaps that citizen could have asked the women if they needed help, rather than call the police.
You are also trying to assume the worst, and I don’t know why.
Thanks for the link, Moon-howler! Let’s play it outside tonight, if the moon is visible.
Emma:
My point wasn’t that the police did something wrong. You’re right&em;they were just doing their jobs (and seemed a little embarrassed by the whole situation). What gets me is that someone in my neighborhood felt threatened enough by a middle-aged Hispanic woman and her middle school-aged daughter to call the police. They weren’t trespassing. They were walking around the neighborhood&em;their neighborhood&em;looking for a lost pet. How threatening could that have been? Would the same neighbor have called the police if it was me? (And let me say, I have wandered around the neighborhood looking for a lost dog and was never had a neighbor call the police.)
MANASSAS CITY COUNCIL BUDGET MEETINGApril 21, 7:30PM
The Manassas City Council will hold a public hearing on Monday, 21APRIL at 7:30PM in the City Council Chambers for citizens to discuss and comment on the coming year’s budget.
While as good citizens we are willing to pay our fare share of taxes, we expect our elected officials to use those funds for the betterment of our community, and not to promote their own political agendas. We expect our elected officials to reduce or eliminate the funding of none essential projects when there is an unexpected shortfall. We expect our elected officials to tighten up, just as we do in our own homes when we are short on money.
The Manassas City Council members are not planning to use our money wisely!
In Monday’s Journal Messenger (14APRIL08), on the back of section A, the Manassas City Council and the City Manager outlined the new budget and all of the proposed tax increases. Of course, you have to be a CPA to decipher it, but it leaves out that political grandstanding programs were left in and are funded in this budget.
We know that funds derived from our local taxes are lower than last year primarily because property values have decreased so much. There are many reasons for that. But because of the decrease, the City will have fewer monies for planned projects. We need to know what those projects are because residents are feeling the pinch, too.
Some have taken out home equity loans and mortgages that now eclipse the value of their homes. Many two income households now run on a single income or less. And if you think, “So what, they deserve it!” You are not living in reality. Every foreclosed or abandoned home in your neighborhood affects YOUR property value. YOUR pocket.
The City proposes to raise the tax rates on real property (your home) 6.3% plus increase personal property taxes. Add to the those taxes, increases in electric, water, sewer and a host of other services and fees, ordinary citizens will have to struggle to keep their heads above water. And let’s not forget coming state increases and federal increases.
Please come to the public hearing to let the Manassas City Council know that while we will support the increase put forth to fund additions to the Fire and Rescue Services and want to support our schools, there are proposed items that we believe do not serve our community and do not warrant funding. There are numerous items that can be eliminated from the proposed budget or at least deferred till next year … or later.
TELL THE CITY COUNCIL TO TAKE ANOTHER LOOK!!
One item that stands out is the funding for the Section 287(g) program which is the ICE proposal that has us embroiled in a multi-million dollar lawsuit with the Equal Rights Commission (NRC). The cost to fight it, and the burden if we lose, will be borne by us, the residents.
We have witnessed the chaos ignited by the actions of the Prince William County Board of Supervisors. Do we want that for Manassas? Immigrants have already fled our city in massive numbers. We know this by the decreased enrollment in our public schools, the homes that have been abandoned and the number of unoccupied apartments and declining businesses.
The Help Save Manassas group’s wish has been granted! The threat of racial profiling and intimidation has run many in the immigrant population from Manassas (illegal and legal). There is no need to fund 287(g). It is hoped that if we drop this proposal, perhaps the NRC will drop their suite and spare us having to pay over $2 million dollars.
JOIN US MONDAY at 7:30P FOR THE BUDGET PUBLIC HEARING. LET THE MANASSAS CITY COUNCIL KNOW THAT WE DO NOT SUPPORT THEIR RAISING OUR TAXES WITHOUT THEM DOING THEIR DUE DILIGENCE AND EXERCISING FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY.
Tell the City Council that 6.3% is too high. Tell them a 2.3% increase is all that’s needed. We need them to stand against the politically motivated proposals and do what is right with our money. Do what is right for Manassas City.
We’ll be at:
Manassas City Hall in Old Town Manassas9027 Center Street (see link)Manassas, VA 20110
http://www.manassascity.org/index.asp?NID=433
information courtesy EJ ScottChair, Manassas/Manassas Park Cities DemocratsVice Chair, VADC 703/368-4541www.ManassasCityDemocrats.com
“Kgott…
No, not at all! :)))). There are several rational and thoughtful women posters…and I don’t know if Turn PW Blue is male or female! I think you, Marie, Elena, Alanna, MH and many others all fit the bill!”
I know, Twin. I was teasing you : )
Emma,
You are proving you are simply here to be contentious.
I said:
You, in turn, admonish me:
Please show me where I have assumed anything. Do you not recognize a question? If I ask you your point of view, I obviously am not assuming anything and am giving you every chance in the world to explain your views. If you chose to paint yourself in a corner, that is your problem.
Ps I did fix the typo when quoting myself.
“Immigrants have already fled our city in massive numbers. We know this by the decreased enrollment in our public schools, the homes that have been abandoned and the number of unoccupied apartments and declining businesses.”
Lets not reverse course midstream. Let it run and see if the end result is better than what the community was turning into. If most have left, then a few more months shouldn’t bring any further changes according to the above statement. It seems your greatest fear is that the Resolution will turn out being a success in terms of an improvement in the quality of life for the citizens.
No!
We can handle it differently and better.
Actually, Moon-Howler, I was “admonishing” (if that’s what you want to call it) Elena, not you, in that post. Take a breath and enjoy the beautiful day today–no one is being contentious. If we all agreed 100 percent here, I would think the discussion here would be quite boring.
I answered your question very clearly earlier:
Emma said on 19 Apr 2008 at 8:21 am:
No,Moon Howler, I certainly do NOT believe that the police should have been asking about the women’s immigration status–
I’m going outside now….
Emma,
I am not assuming anything. I am simply asking you a question. You don’t seem to think that calling the police on women taking a stroll in their neighborhood is bizarre. I find it VERY odd, and once again, I am wondering, why are two women walking in their neighbhorhood cause for a police call? Please answer the question, it straight forward and I am not sure why you are so resistant to answering. Why are you admonishing me for asking a very credible and simple question?
Why are two women strolling in their neighborhood cause for suspicion?
SA,
Does it concern you that people who are legal citizens are leaving? You are assuming it is only undocumented people. Are you concerned, at all, that we are following, almost exactly, in the footsteps of Hazelton and Riverside?
Emma,
I am not saying that YOU are claiming it is suspicious, I am wondering why you don’t seem to think it odd that someone called the police to begin with. I am not trying to be hurtful to you or assume anything about you, I guess I am asking you to put yourself in their place. Can you imagine if it were you, walking on a beautiful day with your daughter, in your own neighborhood, and the police show up and ask you what you are doing there. Right now, there is a climate in PWC that is promoting suspicion and anxiety towards hipanics, people are reacting, and I think this very real example that turn pw blue gave is indicitive of what is happening in our community.
Elena
OK, I really am going outside after this. I did answer your questions very clearly. I sense that you are looking for key words here and not really reading what I said. Here it is again:
Emma said on 19 Apr 2008 at 9:21 am:
I didn’t say they that, if you read my post. I don’t even know the whole story, just following up from PW–I just said that it sounds like the police were following up on a citizen call–something they are obligated to do. Since I’m not the citizen who originally called the police, I have no idea why he/she decided the two Hispanic women were acting suspicious. Note that I said that perhaps that citizen could have asked the women if they needed help, rather than call the police.
Please note the last two sentences above. I’m not sure how that doesn’t answer your question, Elena. I have no idea what the women were doing that prompted the call, since I was not a witness. Just walking down the street? Certainly not something I would call the police for.
And you’re not being hurtful. These discussions are too important for people take this stuff personally.
Time to move on.
Elena,
It doesn’t concern me that people who are legal are moving. I’ve been told if I support the resolution than I should move too. If people don’t support enforcement of immigration laws, then I am happy to see them go too.
I have no sympathy for those who hide, aid and abet their illegal alien relatives.
NONE.
The current economic downturn will sort itself out. IMHO, prices were WAY overvalued as is typical of a “bubble” and will settle down to a normal market value. Those vacant houses, when they return to reasonable and a sustainable market value, will be occupied by stable, single families. The overall quality of neighborhoods and services will improve.
PWC has been a victim of overcrowding overall, not just due to the massive numbers of illegal aliens. Developers were allowed to build and build and build without the county ensuring the necessary infrastructure was in place first. Our kids had to commute 45 mins one way to school because there wasn’t capacity at any other school. We all know the effects of the build-a-mania. Hopefully with this economic downturn, and the self-deportation of illegal aliens and their cupporters, we can all take a deep breath and re-examine what we want this community to be.
Growth is NOT always good.
Emma,
I hear you. It doesn’t matter if you are committed to the principles of equality and justice, if you are an activist in areas that work towards educating and ameliorating poverty in countries not as blessed as we are — you are a “RACIST”. It’s funny, because some of the most hateful, racist invective comes from the open borders crowd, aka “the tan klan” as some wags have dubbed it.
They talk about “tolerance”, which means tolerance ONLY if you agree with their viewpoint and world view.
Regarding the “Riverside” issue….they need to take a look at their taxes…which IMHO is their biggest problem. For a new business start-up, I wouldn’t pick NY or NJ either. The taxes and withholdings that LEGITIMATE and LEGAL businesses have is anti-business. However, if you run your business mostly in cash and off-the-books, well, then….not such a big deal!
Emma,
Silly me. When someone addresses a point to Moon-howler I assume they are talking to me. Sorry. I won’t make that mistake with you again. I know, I know, you have chided me not to assume.
((Snapping off a crisp salute)) Yes Ma’am!
Laurie M,
You are aware that often a husband has legal papers and the wife does not? I find it hard to believe that someone has no sympathy for a husband and wife who might have to live apart for years because one has legal status and the other doesn’t.
It is just so easy to be judgemental without putting human faces on the situation.
Laurie M said on 19 Apr 2008 at 2:10 pm:
Elena,
It doesn’t concern me that people who are legal are moving.
Laurie, you have issues. And if you don’t think that’s a racist statement (above) then you are fooling yourself.
If you want to preserve your neck of the woods, then opt for no more development and for more parks. Fight the system. Do not persecute human beings because you can’t stand your neighbors.
Elena said on 19 Apr 2008 at 8:51 am:
Emma,
You still have not answered the basic question. Since when do hispanic women taking a walk qualify as suspicious?
Emma said on 19 Apr 2008 at 9:21 am:
I didn’t say they that, if you read my post. I don’t even know the whole story, just following up from PW–I just said that it sounds like the police were following up on a citizen call–something they are obligated to do. Since I’m not the citizen who originally called the police, I have no idea why he/she decided the two Hispanic women were acting suspicious. Note that I said that perhaps that citizen could have asked the women if they needed help, rather than call the police.
You are also trying to assume the worst, and I don’t know why.
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As you can see, Moon-Howler, I was addressing Elena, not you. No salute necessary, although I am flattered. Chill.
Laurie M said on 19 Apr 2008 at 2:15 pm:
Emma,
I hear you. It doesn’t matter if you are committed to the principles of equality and justice, if you are an activist in areas that work towards educating and ameliorating poverty in countries not as blessed as we are — you are a “RACIST”. It’s funny, because some of the most hateful, racist invective comes from the open borders crowd, aka “the tan klan” as some wags have dubbed it.
They talk about “tolerance”, which means tolerance ONLY if you agree with their viewpoint and world view.
I just got back from a state legislative wrap up in arlington and one of the senior members of the va. general assembly (from fairfax) turned kind of purple when he heard my question on immigration and said i was from pw….he jumpd up…grabbed the microphone and said that pw voters are standing by and watching while a few members of the pwbocs are trashing everything that we have all worked for…..and if you think there is a high tax increase in pwc this year…..just wait til next year’s increase!!!” and he wasnt congratulating pwc for the resolution……i think his message was that the resolution is trashing our real estate values…….moreso than anywhere else!!
ps did someone say there is something going on tomorrow – i too would like to come out of the closet so to speak!!
Yes, Kenneth. The invitation is on the blog. I am sure Eric or Annabel will put up a reminder.
Who was the gentleman who grabbed the microphone? It sounds like many folks can see what much of Prince William cannot.
He is right. Taxes will go sky-high next year. I cannot see how they cannot.
Hi, Laurie M. Agree with you on the “tolerance” thing. They make a lot of good points here, but if you say something even SLIGHTLY counter to their views, some of them will try to nitpick you to death on it, for lack of solid information to back up their opinions. Kind of a “Mean Girls” atmosphere, don’t you think, which is the kind of thing that undermines women when it creeps into the workplace and into politics. Although there are a few well-informed posters to keep things interesting…
MH – Sen Saslaw!!! ps. where is invite ? blog? i just need to know the time and place….not sure if i can get there…….but want to try????
Emma,
I understand what you are saying. I am asking you to consider that calling the police on two women going out for a stroll is out of the ordinary. I do not understand what you mean by ” I am assuming the worst”, exactly what am I assuming the worst about ? I am asking you to wonder why the police were called in the first place, I am asking you to put yourself in the place of those two women, out for a stroll, and having the police question why they were out walking. If they were NOT hispanic, do you think the police would have been called. We can’t know the answer to that, but it does beg being asked.
Emma,
No one here is being mean, I am very courteously asking you a question. I think that turn PW blue brought up a question about an incident in his neighborhood and I feel like you missed the point he was making.
Irrespective of the point he may or may not have been trying to make, the fact remains that the call was made, and it certainly is questionable as to the motivation of the caller….
Emma said on 19 Apr 2008 at 9:21 am:
…Since I’m not the citizen who originally called the police, I have no idea why he/she decided the two Hispanic women were acting suspicious. Note that I said that perhaps that citizen could have asked the women if they needed help, rather than call the police.
Elena, you’ve asked me the same question at least three times, and I’ve answered each time. Perhaps the citizen who called the police thought the women were casing the neighborhood, not looking for a bird–who knows what was going through that person’s head or what the women were actually doing–maybe trespassing through private property and looking through people’s bushes–we were not given those details, so who knows? And since I am not the caller, I have no way to know whether the caller’s intentions were honorable or not. If the women were just strolling along then, no, the police should not have been called. In my neighborhood, I tend to try to talk to people, not the police, if there are problems that are not earth-shattering, but that’s just me. How is that not answering your question?
Despite what I have said repeatedly, you still seem to think that I think that calling the police on two innocently strolling Hispanic women should be an ordinary event. Kindly show me a passage where I said any such thing.
But I’m sure you won’t, as you seem to be enjoying the misdirected righteous indignation, and you are unable to let go of it.
Elena,
I’ll tell you what everyone seems to use as a come back. How do you know that the people leaving are legal? Whenever a statement is made about some illegals the reply is how do you know they’re illegal? Works both ways!
Hey, SecondAlamo, please don’t try to confuse us with logic 🙂
Emma and SA,
Perhaps it is because we KNOW legal immigrants who have left because of the Resolution. What a novel concept, we actually know neighbors and residents that have left.
I understand that you must not know anyone that has been personally affected by this issue. That is not the case for everyone, however.
Kenneth,
Here you go. Here is the invitation. Let me know if you need more information.
http://www.antibvbl.net/index.php/2008/04/14/party-invitation-save-prince-william-county%e2%80%99s-economy-party/
Twinad,
I too know of people that have left and others that are considering leaving.
And all of these people leaving have been able to sell their homes? Can we have some numbers here? Or are these ALL foreclosures?
Emma, you’re assuming an “either-or” scenario – either they’re selling/not selling or they’re in foreclosure. They may have just walked away.
Nitpicking as usual. If they know the people personally, they would know whether they were owners or renters, or just walked away, I would think. I suspect actual facts would get in the way of the specious point they are trying to make.
For example, I could say I know of an illegal immigrant who recently raped a 4-year-old, based on actual facts published in the newspaper. Or I can say, “I know that a lot of illegal immigrants commit serious crimes.” Which statement is the truth, and which is spurious conjecture?
Emma, I’d say neither is true.
Emma,
The ones I know walked away in the month of March. They were not behind on their mortgage payments, so the houses are not yet in foreclosure. There are 3 houses on one block in my neighborhood in this situation. Thanks, Corey, John and Greg! They were perfectly good neighbors.
Censored bybvbl said on 20 Apr 2008 at 2:12 pm:
Emma, I’d say neither is true.
hmmm—so hordes of LEGAL residents are leaving specifically because of the Resolution. And that is true simply because people here say it is. No numbers, no indication that the LEGAL residents are selling their homes successfully (which would be admirable in this market) or simply fleeing. But a newspaper report about the rape of a four-year-old by an illegal immigrant is a lie?
If it were true that LEGAL residents feel so threatened despite Chief Deane’s assurances, than that should be addressed, if indeed it is true.