The Board will have both a 2:oopm session today; and comments concerning the funding of the ‘Immigration Resolution’ should be addressed then as there is no evening session. Everyone should be prepared for the ‘foot soldiers’ to once again descend on the McCoart building. Hopefully, the Supervisors won’t retreat and will have the courage to face this head-on. It’s gone on long enough and there’s simply no money to fund this whole thing.
Here’s the agenda for the meeting.
See you there.
So, since you have yet again failed to get the resolution rescinded, what now? Hey, have another party at some joint that is crying because all of their illegal alien customers are now eating in Fairfax. Pertend like you didn’t know that you are supporting the agenda of a declared Marxist group (MWB) who is aligned with anarchists. This is what the majority of citizens in PWC want. When are you going to get the message?
Didn’t sound like a big deal, but it is a big change. Must arrest, real miranda—so just checking to check is out!
Concerned Citizen said on 29 Apr 2008 at 10:17 pm:
“Pertend like you didn’t know that you are supporting the agenda of a declared Marxist group (MWB) who is aligned with anarchists.”
CC, that sounds so silly. First of all, so WHAT if a group is aligned with Marxists and anarchists? Isn’t this a free country? And what does it mean to you to be aligned with groups like that who have no political power per se?
All the supporters I know of a practical, rational, comprehensive and compassionate stance towards immigrants are not concerned with political parties.
Do I understand this correctly… everyone’s immigration status will be checked but only if they are arrested? Not for traffic violations, broken tail lights, etc.
So how would I (a natural born citizen prove that I was a legal US citizen? If I recall correctly, US citizens aren’t required to carry ID or even have a birth certificate.
“so WHAT if a group is aligned with Marxists and anarchists” Firedancer, I can’t believe you actually said that! Now I’d like to see your ID. That’s about as anti-American as I have ever heard. America wouldn’t be a free country for long if we were Marxist or Anarchists that’s for sure!
kgotthardt @ 8:42
You must be referring to MWB and their mindless supporters. You’re right, without those haters there this time it was quite pleasant! Glad you agree.
Concerned Citizen,
Take your ignorance right back over the the pit of slime. You obviously have no idea what you are talking about. By the way, who were you talking to or were your lips just flapping in the breeze?
Come on, SA. I don’t think there is a snowball’s chance in hell that Marxists and anarchists will come to power in this country.
SecondAlamo said on 29 Apr 2008 at 10:52 pm:
“so WHAT if a group is aligned with Marxists and anarchists” Firedancer, I can’t believe you actually said that! Now I’d like to see your ID. That’s about as anti-American as I have ever heard. America wouldn’t be a free country for long if we were Marxist or Anarchists that’s for sure!
Kenneth said – And you think it is ok to be aligned with the people that you apparently are aligned with? where does one start? with FAIR et al….i know, they’re just great amurrrrricans……….duh
Celebrating the win from behind my TV set. I thank all of you who showed up to testify. I couldnt make it. Believe or not, PWC is now inline with what the state has passed (from the initial reports I have seen).
EG
Anyone know how the budget vote tonight went regarding the Boys and Girls Detention Center and the Manassas Senior Day Care Center? I saw the vote pass for RIFfing county staff, but was it the full complement of 85?
I’m guessing with the .97 tax rate, most everything that was proposed to be cut was cut. Other than not funding cameras in cruisers (which weren’t in the original mark-up, were they?), how do the modifications to the resolution save us any money? And, if money is being saved, was it reallocated to save any social services that were on the chopping block?
They ran through the budget vote in hurry once they came back from that lengthy recess — such a hurry that it’s hard to know exactly what happened.
The decal vote, for example. Mr. Gerhart suggests raising it to $34 to fund the transportation bond that voters approved. Marty Nohe makes a motion for $34, saying that transportation was a priority for him and, since 82% of PWC residents voted for it, he thought the funding had been delayed long enough.
But that motion was defeated, and went Stewart asked for another motion, somebody (Caddigan?) suggested $24, which passed easily but doesn’t fully fund the transportation CIP. Gerhart looked totally confused, as was I! Why didn’t they for a decal fee somewhere between $24 and $34? Why go right from the high down to the low without making a counter in between?
I honestly can’t make head nor tails of what went down tonight. I do know that our school budget took another hit to the tune of some $5 million dollars.
No one knows including the supervisors. Additionally, the Wash Post is reporting the resolution weaked and the Wash Times is reporting it stiffened.
People who were there are scratching their heads. It looks like everyone won or everyone lost. No middle ground.
“we should follow the EU model of evolving to a common currency, free trade, and open borders so people can go where the work is and goods and services may be driven by the market.”
I understand this. But realize Europe is much older than we are. It has taken them centuries to arrive at that. I don’t think the United States is there yet, and we won’t be until we master at least domestic policy. I think our immigrants are frustrated with our slow process in part because they are from older countries which gives them a completely different world view. Now go ahead and say, “Well tell them to go to Europe.” They don’t WANT to go to Europe and it’s not because they want to live off our good will. They want to be here because there IS so much good in the United States. BUT we have to protect ourselves from the lobbyists and the extremists who are taking over our Democratic process and our justice system.
Purple:
The EU did not eliminate national borders in any sense of the word. Member states in the EU are still independent nations with control over their borders and immigration policies. What the EU agreements do, however, is make the process of moving from one EU state to another much easier so there is a much freer flow of labor across national boundaries. See http://ec.europa.eu/justice_home/fsj/immigration/fsj_immigration_intro_en.htm
As for Adam Smith, you’ll find that there are three elements that must move freely in an open capitalist economy:
1. Raw materials to make goods
2. The produced goods
3. The labor to make the goods
Of late, we’ve gotten much better at 1 and 2 but we fail miserably at 3. Of course, I don’t think any of us would really want to live in a world purely governed by Adam Smith’s ideal economy.
To the question of Mexicans Without Borders…
There are two main tenets of MWB from what I’ve seen. The first is the dissolution of national boundaries to allow the free flow of people and goods from Mexico to the United States. The second is the idea that wherever there is a Mexican, there is Mexico. Both of these are an affront to the idea of our national sovereignty. There are also an extension of the socialist/leftist ideology that serves as the foundation for MWB.
That said, making Lyall, Steinbeck, Juarez, et al, the “face” of the anti-resolution “movement” was a brilliant stroke by the pro-resolution crowd. It is a very common tactic and one that works well. Find an outrageous or, even better, extremist group that opposes you and paint them as the primary advocates for the position counter to yours. Then, whenever anyone more reasonable than that group speaks up, you paint the reasonable ones as part and parcel of the extreme group. Thus, your positions are considered sane and rational while every one who opposes you is a whack job.
In essence, it is what I and others here have done by exposing the ties between GL/HSM/CS/JS and FAIR/NumbersUSA/etc. There are reasonable people who believe something needs to be done to address the illegal immigration issue. Not all of them are in the same camp as John Tanton and Greg Letiecq.
I think the whole point is that we have to stop trying to put people into neat little boxes on one side or the other of an issue. Rather than letting the extremes serve as the focal point on the issue, we should be looking for the common ground (yes, Medic, I can hear you saying, “That’s what I keep trying to get across.). Not everyone who supports/supported the resolution is a racist, nativist, or what have you. Not everyone who opposed/opposes the resolution is an open borders, illegal alien apologist leftist. If only the world were so simple that all our views could be condensed to fit on a bumper sticker, but that’s just not the way things work.
deport kgotthart! I’m starting a petition.
Personally, I think MWB folks would be happier if they had the following (not in any particular order):
1. Easier transit between countries
2. Acceptance of their culture among us
3. Opportunity to assimilate in positive ways
4. A passport to work
5. The same benefits and pay as regular workers once they are allowed to be here to work
People who have been picked on and denied a right to a decent life will usually become less angry and radical looking if they are getting at least SOME of the things they need. I know that is very true in my case. I don’t need to “win it all.” But my GOD, it would be nice to win at least SOMETIMES! I suspect most of us fall into this category. But maybe I am being presumptuous.
I’ve seen MWB on 2 or 3 occasions and to me, they’ve come across as upset people who want to work and who want to preserve their culture. I don’t see anything unreasonable in that. We ALL want that available to us.
If open borders are really their primary goal, then it never came across to me. I suspect there are degrees of beliefs within MWB as well.
Park’d,
I do NOT think you are racist and I DO understand your frustration.
I think Turn PW Blue said it best with this:
“I think the whole point is that we have to stop trying to put people into neat little boxes on one side or the other of an issue. Rather than letting the extremes serve as the focal point on the issue, we should be looking for the common ground (yes, Medic, I can hear you saying, “That’s what I keep trying to get across.). Not everyone who supports/supported the resolution is a racist, nativist, or what have you. Not everyone who opposed/opposes the resolution is an open borders, illegal alien apologist leftist. If only the world were so simple that all our views could be condensed to fit on a bumper sticker, but that’s just not the way things work.”
KG at 6:18
“Atzlan” discussion and “reconquista” concepts make all of us “Americans” nervous. It is the first time in a long time our internal national security has been threatened by a neighboring country and culture. This is not just some benign “social-equality movement”. Intentional “illegal” movement across borders to obtain and seize territory is what many nations in the world deal with a lot. Kurds in Iraq, Sunii’s and Shiites in Iran and Iraq, Bosnians in Serbia, Muslims in Chetchnia, Lebanese and palistinians in Isreal, Malaysians and Burmese in Thailand, Dutch in South Africa, Kamer Rouge in Cambodia and Vietnam, French Cultural Isolationist movements Canada, Nepalese in China, Pakistanis in India, Muslims in Spain, Germany, France and Great Britian,
all are crossing borders “illegally” and causeing ethnic wars and cultural wars in the countries they are attempting to carve pieces out of for themselves in seperatist, nation fracturing political movements.
They do this under the “disguise” of “discrimmination and diversity concepts, but actually promote cultural, legal and language seperatism. We are just starting to see and understand the magnitude of the threat to national security and soverenity.
The only way to prevent it is to apply the law equally on everyone and make a political movement to culturally blend all these disparate and disruptive cultures, or kick them out of the country with “illegal alien” law enforcement to control the unreasonable growth and political destruction.
See the following if you do not believe it is happening.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ajkAP_M4ZAM
http://www.aztlan.net/
http://www.mayorno.com/WhoIsMecha.html
Michael,
I just have to ask if I am talking to the same Michael.
Do you believe in Salvation? I will know by your answer if you are the Michael, that I think of and not posting as Michael or are REALLY Michael but just not the one that I was talking to…..
# Michael said on 29 Apr 2008 at 9:05 pm:
I’ve heard this term “gospel” Greg bantered about.
Does that sound like somebody hates religious people of people of faith enough to throw out denigrating concepts about them. That’s not racists, but its the discrimmination against religious people clause of the Bill of rights and US Constitution and US Supreme Court ruling that prohibits discrimmination based on gender, race, ethnic group and religion. The “religious discrimmination” part has it’s own unique set of hate words and hate groups against it. These are not any different than racial hate words and racial hate groups against some of a race or ethnic group not just like them.
Do you get it? Those of you who think its ok to use the hate voice in uttering “GOSPEL GREG”, that’s like using any other hate term directed at races, or genders.
Micahel,
Just in case you don’t see this on another thread:
Selective hate memories here?
# Red Dawn said on 30 Apr 2008 at 11:59 pm:
Michael,
“Do you get it? Those of you who think its ok to use the hate voice in uttering “GOSPEL GREG”, that’s like using any other hate term directed at races, or genders.”
NAH, I think people believe more in be NOT deceived, as many will come in my name…
Turn PW Blue said on 30 Apr 2008 at 10:14 am:
That summary should be put up permanently here, beautifully written PW, a work of art. I could not agree more.
I agree – deport kgotthardt – although, unfortunately she won’t be able to survive as she has no job and lives in a VERY nice part of Bristow in a $400k house with no illegals in sight!