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Red Dawn – a song comes to mind watching this video “Slip Slidin’ Away”
SA – you are correct there are no overt references to violence. He only states that the police are “unwilling” to enforce the law and if government fails him/us it fall on citizens to document and such…..
He should go for it. Go photograph, go report – why does he have to wait for ‘government to fail him’??? I say he should just do it. He should put on his cammo’s and march on and make phone calls.
I would imagine the IRS would be delighted to speak with him!
@Anon-100
Well it was all public information regarding the issues of the families who filed the suits against the City. Mr. Miller went into great detail about “Definition of Family Issue” when he was a City Councilman. Greg spoke at many Council Meetings during Citizen Time. Everything I know came from public hearings, public meetings and newspapers. These are not secrets.
Marie, So how do you know that the people who filed suit are LEGAL? You can’t tell by looking at someone and I don’t ever recall seeing anywhere the legal status of the folks who filed suit. Also you made a specific comment on how “Greg” was instrumental in drafting the “Definition of Family Resolution”
No love feast here for G.L., but when you make a statement like this one, you should be able to back it up.
This is an excellent opportunity for a disagreement about immigration to evolve into (gasp) a discussion with factual basis.
Anon-100 theories that no one in Manassas or PWC who lives under crowded conditions is a legal citizens, resident alien, or otherwise documented individual.
Marie claims that there are records proving the opposite.
Someone must have the facts on their side. There must be a way to find out.
Since the Immigration Resolution first introduced in June 2006 was based on assumptions such as the one that Anon-100 is making, perhaps we could ask the County government to (gasp) research it.
Better late than never.
Oops, I mean June 2007.
Jackson Miller’s anti-family ordinance was 2006.
rod2155, 21. May 2008, 8:46
Where exactly does he do this in the video? I know I’m tired tonight, but unless I slept through it, I did not hear him say any such thing. There is not even a hint of talk of violence (“brute force” as you put it). You certainly have a vivid imagination, but could you have possibly mixed any more metaphors here?
I repeatedly see attempts in this forum to make it sound like Greg and HSM are for violence. It is nothing more than an attempt to put fear into everyone’s minds. I am no supporter of Greg, but every week or so there are posts making it sound like violence is imminent, just to try and whip everyone up into some kind of frenzy! One could indeed string together all these posts, and it would make some people sound truly paranoid or at least have extremely active imaginations. All I got from that video was that the day laborer sites would be monitored and reported to authorities. I didn’t see any reference to potential attacks on those sites – all I saw was monitoring and reporting. This blog is at times just as extreme (but in the opposite direction) as Greg’s. These attempts to stir up fear of some imminent violence – it makes one wonder what some people’s agendas are to try and do something like that.
Just when I think there’s meaningful discussion happening on here, it goes back to these kinds of posts trying to instill fear and paranoia in everyone’s minds.
Vigilantism is frightening, especially when it is motivated by hate or resentment toward a particular race or class of people. This cannot be argued. I’m sorry, but it cannot. As many have rightly pointed out, we are just not that evolved as a people to hear citizens threaten public officials that they will “take the law into their own hands” without expressing some concern. If you have no regard for the potential targets of this “operation,” there are some in this community who do. And, if you have no regard for those of us who do, you can at least come to terms with the fact that historically, vigilante groups have added little to our society, and cost us much.
The only question here, is how seriously should we take these threats?
I for one, don’t take them that seriously. Army uniform and threats to bring guns to labor sites notwithstanding, let’s not forget that these people were political activists before they were hate-mongers. And it simply would not serve their interests to do something against the law.
For my two cents, they are simply expressing their frustration and trying to intimidate the Board, knowing that the ship has sailed and there is little else they can do.
But there is nothing wrong with being cautious, and taking these threats seriously. I’m sure that local and federal law enforcement is doing so, as well they should.
I’m still not seeing where the “threats” lie. The power many here are ascribing to Greg L. is making him seem almost legendary. He is being built up into some huge bogeyman with enormous mind-control powers. Unless Eric Byler can catch Greg on film peforming a Vulcan mind-meld, I think I’ll just see Greg as a very vocal citizen with strong opinions and some influential friends.
Honestly, I find the three Presidential candidates much scarier than Greg and his supposed “vigilante group.” You’re making him larger than life, and he must be loving it.
Emma,
Exactly right on the “larger than life” comment. Why feed his ego? Let’s move on.
I’m not sure if it’s doing Gospel Greg’s ego any good to be psychoanalyzed along with the usual ridicule (of which I have been no small contributor). If you’re not concerned, as I said, it is your right. For a long time many Americans didn’t worry about global warming very much. Some doubted the science since the oil companies also had their science, etc. You are certainly free to accept without questioning anything that supports your belief system and discount anything that challenges it. There may be some who celebrate Greg’s threats … and yes they are threats … because they discredit him politically. But others are genuinely concerned. I might be in the former category, except for the fact that I’m beginning to wonder if he does indeed have some type of personality or mental disorder, in which case we need to deal with him more cautiously.
I don’t understand why Greg and Duecaster are talking about acts of vigilantism. Perhaps they are trying to stay relevant. But truth be told, they deserve to be relevant. After all, they DID hijack our government for the better part of a year.
Also, they are relevant because Gospel Greg is planning a Crusade through the rest of Virginia and into Maryland. If the Duecaster Disaster tags along, they could easily destroy the economy, the reputation, and the social environment in some other unsuspecting town … one that doesn’t already think of them as liars and hate-mongers.
I can only think of one strategic advantage to calling for shovels, pitchforks, military uniforms, cameras, and guns:
They are interested in provoking a conflict with someone, anyone, who happens to be Hispanic, preferably someone they can argue is probably undocumented (allowing, for the sake of argument, that there is a distinction in their minds). If they can snap a photo in which a Hispanic looking person gives them the finger or spits at them or shoves them or punches them, they think they will have a publicity opportunity to… I don’t know, demand another Resolution, this one about day laborers.
This agenda is evidenced by the fact that, last winter, when they tried such an exercise and no such act was committed, one of the female clones apparently decided to make something up. (She told so many conflicting tall tales to the police that they had no difficulty believing her, but that didn’t stop her from slandering some imaginary “illegal” at Citizens’ Time).
Of course if anything really does happen, Gospel Greg and the Duecaster Disaster will have provided mountains of evidence on line and in person that they set out to provoke just such an event.
So, it’s a bonehead play. But they are angry and desperate, and, it’s all they have. Given the rapidly accelerating evaporation of what ever credibility they might have had left, even with their fellow extremists who formerly respected them, they don’t have anything much to lose.
Not me Bubba,
Some woman appeared before the BOCS a number of months ago and ‘claimed’ that her car was jostled at one of the Woodbridge Day Labor 7-11s. She also claimed someone exposed himself to her. I do not think anyone believed her.
It sounds to me like he is putting the BOCS on notice that he is preparing to ready his troops to go out and stir up crap at Coverstone or Route 1 7-11 in the very near future. I sincerely hope he gets arrested.
I agree with you about anti-choice tactics. Same group different issue is my thoughts on the matter. We should talk some time.
WHWN, don’t be so quick to declare Corey innocent. I believe he knew all about GG’s presentation to the board before it happened. Did you watch his face carefully? He should never play poker. It is all contrived.
I also wouldn’t call GG a Mr. Mom. A Mr. Mom has a working wife and is involved with his kids. I seriously doubt he does his fair share.
Elena, of course he has other minions to do the dirty work. Some are behind the scenes people and some are not. Don’t forget the special training classes.
SA and anon: inferences. One would be remiss not to notice certain inferences. GG is too smart to make explicit statements, I think. Go check out the target practice remarks by GG. Again, inferences.
Junkyard dog,
As far as declaring Corey innocent, I’m not sure where I did that on this thread. Tell me if you have a specific beef and I’ll be glad to engage you. I did defend him last fall and during the first few months of this year. But recently I have been very critical of him, starting with the Chief Deane attack which, for me, was the last straw. I think he’s finished as a politician.
I was very confused by the “7 to 1” promise Corey made on Monday. My predictions and interpretations that night and the next morning were all over the place, I’ll admit. But one of them was that Corey knew he didn’t have the votes, but he was just making a show to appease Gospel Greg, to make it look like he did his best.
With this interpretation in mind, I watched this video and it really looked to me like Corey was wishing Greg would move to some other town and bully some other Chairman. He looked like he was going to throw up.
Maybe I am wrong to feel like I can read Corey. But I do know him, and I knew him when he was, believe it or not, a humble person and a moderate. My honest interpretation of Corey’s emotions in the video is that he’s afraid of what Gospel Greg might do. I’m not saying he’s afraid for some noble reason like wanting to protect the community (even though, if anyone knows the depths of Greg’s dementia, it’s got to be Corey).
No, I think he’s afraid of what Greg might do because he knows he has been irrevocable tied to him in the eyes of voters, the media, his colleagues, the world, etc. The more infamous Gospel Greg becomes, the more damaging he is to Corey’s reputation, to his pride, and to his future prospects as a public servant.
I mean look, I could fully condemn Corey like everyone else, but then again, it’s already being said by everyone else, so why repeat it? The only semi-credible person who comes on here to defend Corey is Tom Kopko … the only man on earth who deserves as much blame for what happened to Corey as Gospel Greg, but that’s another story.
Oh, and what did you mean by target practice remarks?
Question for 9500Liberty: What happened to the day laborers’ incident video in which Greg shows up wearing army fatigues to 7-11 and then later threatens to return with a gun? That video will help illuminate why this citizens’ time is so ominous.
Actually, it’s a combination of details in addition to this video that disturb me: it’s the day laborers’ video, his association with the Robert “we’re going to repel this invasion one way or another” Duecaster, his battle cry in Richmond in which he compares HSM to an army, and his association with the Virginia Citizens Defense League, the nutty gun lobby group to the right of the NRA. Greg really sounds like a militia guy. He tried lobbying for legislation and when that weapon achieve the desired outcome, he’s going to revert to what he knows from the past: militant action.
What troubles me is that not only does Corery Stewart bully his resolution thru but he than sit back and said nothing when someone said that he will take the law in his own hands Even the dullest of person say easily figure within second that this resolution not only bankrupt the count but simply will not work Afterall, who believes that anyone deported as a result of this will not cross the borders agian because they know that there will a job waiting for him/her once they make it back to the county.
Has anyone ever heard the term ‘citizen’s arrest’? Citizens are allowed to take certain actions when law enforcement is no where to be found. After the tragedy of 9-11 anyone in this country illegally should be scrutinized. The Potomac News just printed a story in the Police Briefs section of three American flags being burned in Manassas Park while attached to peoples homes. I’m not saying illegals did it, but it does raise concerns. The person or persons that did this were obviously anti-American, and that is concerning.
“The only question here, is how seriously should we take these threats?”
Um, I take them VERY sersiouly when they are directed at ME?
From GL’s email to me:
“My first inclination in these cases is usually to hit back hard,”
“all it took for me to set aside my natural tendencies to be combative,”
“We raise the level of the debate before it risks going into some potentially disturbing territory,”
“It took me several days of reflection and prayer to arrive at this as perhaps the best means of resolving this problem.”
“He can tell you from personal experience what it’s like to try this tack with me”
Since I’ve never MET GL (and have no desire to do so) and he contacted me TWICE personally (when I have NEVER contacted him) I consider this a threat and did report it to the police.
I’ve known enough mentally ill people who are indeed dangerous to spot the warning signs. At least those negative experiences amount now to some good.
This man needs to be taken seriously.
Second Alamo, are you talking about citizens enforcing federal immigration law? Or loitering laws? If loitering laws, a person who tries to make that arrest may find himself/herself on the other end of a lawsuit if the property owner doesn’t care if someone loiters. I hope you’re not talking about GG actually trying to detain an individual.
As for the flag burnings, it seems a perfect ploy by some anti-illegal immigrant nutball to stir up the masses. I certainly don’t rule that out.
@Anon-101
I said “Unfortunatley or fortunately how ever you look at it, MANY of the Hispanics targeted for having legitmate relatives living with them were either citizens or legal residents.” I never said ALL. Bottom line unfair housing practices took place. HUD thought so and turned it over to the Justice Dept. It matters not whether many or all were legal or documented. What matters is what happened. There were articles in the Manassas Journal Messenger about the issue. So none of this is top secret information.
Both PWC and Manassas City need to be careful regarding the policies/resolutions that are enacted. Both localities need to quit listening to Greg L. He has had far too much influence on the decisions of both governing bodies. Now he has threatened the BOCS. What will be next? After reading his “I Win” post again this morning there is even a more disturbing post by him in a reply to Nick. He may be joking but I do not take those jokes lightly. He is dangerous.
This is what Greg wrote recently:
“I win some free beverages and two hundred rounds of ammunition, which I will enjoy in quite obviously separate celebrations”
He was asked to specify what he meant by that and this is what he responded:
Greg L said on 21 May 2008 at 8:07 pm:
Nick,
Oh, the possibilities… Maybe some hydra-shocks in .45? nah, I’ll be nice and settle for four boxes of UMC, in .45 hardball of course, since you practice with what you carry.
Oh, and for all you anti-gunners out there, the reason I’m looking forward to some free target practice is that it helps me maintain a proficiency in putting .45 caliber slugs consistently in an area approximating someone’s forehead at a distance of twenty yards with my UGLY looking Kimber Pro-Carry 1911 Model. That pistol even has night sights powered by Trituim gas, so not only is it an UGLY BLACK DEATH-DEALING MACHINE DESIGNED FOR MILITARY USE, BUT IT’S FRIGGIN NUCLEAR, BABY.
Hopefully, that popping sound you hear are liberal’s heads exploding as they read this.
Who do you think they were talking when this was posted:
# Tyler Durden said on 21 May 2008 at 11:16 pm:
Lemme know when you go pop caps, Greg. I’ll bring some silhouettes of the fat broads.
# Greg L said on 21 May 2008 at 11:35 pm:
Nah, that wouldn’t be nice. The standard black silhouettes are what I use.
I don’t know about you guys but these people are crazy
TH
You are correct. They are crazy.
I can only assume he is talking about the admin’s of this blog. They have been referred to in other posts as the “fat broads”. Of course, they are beautiful and voluptous women.
I am conducting a text mining analysis of the BVBL website and whenever they talk about the two ladies helping with this website, the BVBL people refer to them as the fat broads.
I worry when people talk about using guns and make references to pictures of Alanna and Elena
They are shameful, just like our BOS with the kids and seniors!
Hey TH,
It is disturbing, but I am not worried that anyone would act on it. Doesn’t scare me, I am perfectly capable of responding in like to anyone that would threaten me or my family 🙂 We are not anti gun in my home.
Marie,
Thank you! XXXOOO
OK, just to keep you posted!
Oh boy is he ever needy, baby. Someone commit that man….
The criminally insane are far more dangerous than just the criminal. SA, I would think that although there are no overt statements of violence, the majority of people agree he is borderline crazy. Add that together with veiled comments and you have your really dangerous situations.
Let him go do something, hope it explodes, pray no one is hurt and it will be over finally. He can spend some time at the ADC – they will run him through 287(g) as well. Wonder if they would have to provide him extra protection from the other inmates????
Regarding the comments about the women, just remember any therapist would tell you those statements are more reflective of the speaker’s state of mind than the intended recipient.
We are not anti gun in our home either.
TH –
Only really stupid firearm owners brag about their arsenal online – especially when the one bragging is a well-known public figure.
Either that or he is trying desperately to compensate for something he …um…lacks.
Thanks for me keeping me posted TH!
I apologize to KGott and to everyone here for not taking Gospel Greg’s threats as seriously as I should have. I’m stunned by what I’ve read above about ammunition and target practice. Really sad for the whole county. I’ll be sharing this information with proper authorities.
Let’s not forget his menacing minions!
DHS (as much as a joke as it is with dealing with international terrorist’s) has tried to compensate by going after the Home Growns. DHS has no love for these HELP SAVES and would sure appreciate any evidence to give them a reason to bust up the orginazations nationally.
I kind of think Greg L is just baiting all of you and intentionally making comments about firing rounds of ammunition at targets on his blog. You are all falling to the bait, and he must be having a good laugh at your expense. Again, I’m no supporter of him, but I find some of the comments here and in other threads bordering on extreme paranoia. It is funny when there are discussions of mental illness on here, as I think some people here need a reality check when they start saying things about armies being formed, and people with guns and so on. While I will agree if Greg is joking some of it is not funny, i think he is doing it on purpose knowing you read his blog and enjoying then seeing the comments that you post on here. So you should all think of that. Again, nothing in what he said at the BOCS meeting appeared to me to be other than monitoring and reporting. How is that different than 9500 Liberty videotaping? Wait – I forgot, they won’t videotape a day laborer site to show the mess that it is, that would be too much fair and balanced reporting!
Give me an address of a laborer center and I will take a camera. I don’t live in the area so i need something that I can find in Google maps.
Only someone named “anon” would come on here to defend Gospel Greg and diminish cause for concern of those who have been directly threatened. That’s rather low of you anon, low class and despicable. The fact that there are people out there who think like you, by the way, does not speak well for Gospel Greg. On the contrary, it reveals just how dangerous and damaging he can be, because there are others among us who will follow any person, propagate any lie, and allow for any tactic that helps achieve a political end.
“Anon” if you are a real person and not yet another apparition of Gospel Greg’s self-generated following on BVBL, then you must be able to recognize that he’s sunk to the low of threatening and encouraging confrontations if not violence among his disciples.
The fact that you, “anon,” if you are a real person, are willing to defend vigilantism and threats of gun violence, makes the situation look worse, not better, for Gospel Greg. And, it hurts the cause of supporting the Immigration Resolution. Unless you have other reason to throw in with Greg, I suggest you stop trying to “help” him.
I already said I am no supporter of him. I have reasons for not identifying myself given the problems I’m having in my current neighborhood. Actually, I have found you very willing to be “on the attack” to anyone who seems to have any support for the resolution. Quite frankly, the negative tone of your comments above, with words like low class and despicable, is in and of itself extremely low class and despicable! I never said I was willing to defend the things you accuse me of. In the past you accused me of posting on BVBL – I’ve never posted there. Your posts are full of baseless accusations, and come across very harsh and mean. I am not trying to “help him” and even stated that I don’t agree with him and don’t defend him, in my above post. But you read past that and made a bunch of baseless accusations, and called me low class and despicable! This is not the first time you’ve attacked me here, and I’m finally saying I’ve had enough of it. In fact, fine, I’m leaving this board. If you lived next to what lives next to me – you would be supportive of the resolution. In fact the night after the police arrested the alleged rapist, several people moved out, and now several new people moved in during the middle of the night. Anyway, I don’t care any more I’m moving out – and I guess I should stop posting here as it won’t be my problem if as the result of things here – neighborhoods like mine go even more to hell.
And I did say if he was joking I didn’t find it particularly funny either – but you accuse me of defending that! I’m done arguing with you – you didn’t even read what I said carefully and jumped all over me and made a bunch of baseless accusations that I support Greg, which I don’t – I find much of what is on his blog disgusting. I came over here hoping to find a balanced, reasonable discussion, but instead anyone who has just a hint of supporting the resolution, is jumped all over on. In fact, on my first post here I was told to “crawl back to my sumhole” when all I did was say I supported the resolution due to the problems in my neighborhood, which I’ve discussed in great length here.
Well, guess you got your wish (although it wasn’t you that made that post but someone equally shrill on here who thinks they can call people names and things like that) – so that’s where I’m going.
So don’t worry – you won’t see any other posts by “anon”! In fact, I hope when I move out of my neighborhood, it goes real downhill. I already had a thief and a rapist (alleged) living next to me. The thief clearly was an illegal, as he had no ID to show to the police, and fled the scene (moved out in the middle of the night) before I could return home and identify stolen property. Why the police didn’t take him in when another neighbor identified him as runinng from my house, I have no clue.
So I am justifyably angered, and I bet if this happened to you, you would be angry too.
Well, I’ve said everything I wanted to say here, and since you have jumped on me before, and did it again, and someone else here did on my very first post – you all are getting your wishes. Why don’t you move into my townhouse and see if you can educate the fine folks next to me about how stealing from a neighbor’s house is not such a nice thing to do. It is more than likely that others in that house were involved, but the neighbor could only positively ID one of them.
Anon, there are so many “anon’s” here that I honestly don’t know where you live or where you stand. I don’t think it’s fair to expect anyone to recall which anon you are and which anon you aren’t. I’m sorry I offended you but, remember, YOU are the only person who knows who you are. The rest of us are just responding to your words, which, at least on this thread, seem to be dumping on people who have been directly threatened while supporting the one who is doing the threatening. Perhaps I’m reading in to you “anon,” but that doesn’t sound like a thinker with sound priorities. I don’t care what side of the issue you are on.
Well, I’m sorry anon. I hope you’ll come back with a new name. I think the issues you are dealing with are serious problems. I don’t think Greg Letiecq is the answer to those problems. That’s my only quarrel with you.
OK, fair enough. But I never ever said Greg L is the answer to my problems. While I support most aspects of the resolution, I do not in any way support a lot of what Greg L says or does.
okay. sorry again.
The gun issue is as big a hot button as is immigration. The open carry crowd has been vocal locally including the stupidly (IMO) staged show at Tony’s Pizza, a family restaurant. To be an effective leader for the Immigration Resolution Greg really should be careful of what else he says or supports publically whether on BVBL , at the BOCS meetings, or at HSM. He makes it hard to tease out which opinions are his and which are the organization he represents. He’s showing little sense in what he’s willing to say publically.
Although I don’t think he’s planning on visiting the 7-11s with violence in mind, he has the type of personality that would allow a bad situation easily to escalate. I saw the video where the day laborers said that he returned to the 7-11 in camo or military fatigues. What was that all about if not to intimidate? Was the next step returning with a gun? If so, that’s stupid even if he has a permit to carry one. All it takes is some stupid blunder during some confrontation to allow an accident to happen. Add more stupid people to the scenario and it increases the chances.
Anon – seems to be standard procedure for WhyHereWhyNow, I stopped posting here weeks ago because I was called a racist (not by WHWN) for supporting the resolution. My first post in weeks WhyHereWhyNow called me a clone, a minion, and some other things. This is why many people are turned off to this site, any difference of opinion and your automatically a racist, a member of HSM, a BVBL supporter, Greg, a clone of Greg, or what ever else they can think of.
Anon, you don’t “bait” by threatening people.
And ELENA FAT?????? Or even BIG???? Come on. Elena, I would lOVE to have your figure! What’s he talking about?
But okay. Let’s get back to the real scary thing.
Personally, I don’t feel like being shot at and there’s no doubt in my mind he will do it at some point to someone. Someone should arrest him just on the basis of his postings.
BTW, I’m fat but I’m not violent. That gives me (and a hell of a lot of other people) a one-up on GL and his buds.
kgotthardt – So there is no such thing as free speech now? I’m not defending him in any way (Ill also add that what he said was wrong an I don’t agree with any of it). However, in the US we do have something called free speech, no matter how much your or I dislike what was said arresting him because of it isn’t very “American”. I doubt that Greg is going to go out and start shooting people, let get serious.