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What a laughable “expose”.
You think this guy is what’s wrong with the world?
He’s right to compare this to slavery. Both are social ills undertaken because they lower the price of labor.
I note the assertion is never made in this report that they WERE anything other than illegal!
Here’s hoping this guy runs for higher office.
Oh good Hell, what an AH. He called the police because someone had spanish speaking roofers? Was he going to ask the cops to force them to speak English?
Just out of curiosity, where is St Francis? I kept thinking they were saying Manassas.
Rick,
They may very well have been illegal. The thing that I find disturbing is that the fact a police call was made to investigate because they spoke Spanish.
If I have Pit Bulls, is someone going to call and have me investigated for dog fights?
If I wear skimpy clothes with bright red finger nail polish on my curved inch long finger nails with high heels and have nothing but but men as friends will I be investigated for prostitution?
If I have a tire swing in my back yard and decided that I need to use the tire for something else and left the rope hanging from the tree would I be investigated for hanging a noose and making a statement?
What if I want to display a rebel flag on my front porch in place of the American flag?
What if I have a bunch of hippies as friends ( perceived because they have long hair)does that make us druggies?
The point is when does it cross the line to call?
NO I am NOT in support of ILLEGALS just more concerned when, why, where, what and how OUR liberties can be provoked and harassed.
J Dog,
Minnesota
I think I will replace my ” Holy Snake Sh%t” saying/slang with ” don’t provoke to revoke”
This is an example why I sometimes speak only spanish and pretend I can’t speak english. It’s an interesting exercise sometimes. It’s naked bigotry like this that is destroying our country. This kooky man probably considers himself a deeply patriotic American…and it means nothing to him that he would make a direct assault upon freedom of speech. Just as all the HSM types like rick bentley above would love to turn our country into a police state for minorities while it remains the land of the free for the rick bentleys. Theres a word for this type of government: apartheid.
For the rick bentleys of the our country…freedom is the enemy.
Hey Bentley, here’s looking at you kid…here’s hoping I see ya…across that long lonely field…
I have to agree that Mack is not talking smack
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5uQ9W4KexnA
🙂 just reminds me of the spin of a record and ONE mic 😉
WE FOUND ANOTHER RACIST!!! WE FOUND ANOTHER RACIST!!!! YIPPEEEE!!!!!
SlowpokeRodriquez,
This time you’ve got it right! The only thing missing was the red circle sticker.
Slowpoke Rodriguez,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SmVAWKfJ4Go
IN the END what are YOU fighting for?
“I hurt myself today
To see if I still feel
I focus on the pain
The only thing that’s real
The needle tears a hold
The old familiar sting
Try to kill it all away
But I remember everything
[Chorus:]
What have I become
My sweetest friend
Everyone I know goes away
In the end
And you could have it all
My empire of dirt
I will let you down
I will make you hurt
I wear this crown of thorns
Upon my liar’s chair
Full of broken thoughts
I cannot repair
Beneath the stains of time
The feelings disappear
You are someone else
I am still right here
[Chorus:]
What have I become
My ssweetest friend
Everyone I know goes away
In the end
And you could have it all
My empire of dirt
I will let you down
I will make you hurt
If I could start again
A million miles away
I would keep myself
I would find a way”
The reality is that this man truly believes that if you speak spanish you must be illegal. I find this entire incident very disturbing, I also was quite shocked to hear the follow up story regarding the N word being used and lynching threats directed at specific students.
If you speak Spanish more than English while you work in the US, you are not an illegal alien with certainty – but you PROBABLY are one of the 10-20 million illegal aliens living here. It’s not such an unreasonable suspicion.
Rick, you can’t be serious. What about if you speak more Chinese or Arabic? If you speak more Arabic, are you likely to be a terrorist?
Ricky Ricardo said:
Only in your limited world is this true. One can be born, grow up, and die in some places in this country without need for much english. In fact, some of us, like me, can purposely choose to avoid the english language from time to time, to teach you self-appointed cultural policemen the meaning of the word freedom.
Mind your own business…and keep your hands off our freedom.
Rick, is it reasonable to assume that a white person living in a small town with changing demographics has hate in his heart towards latinos? Particularly if he has a southern accent? Just testing your hypothesis.
OMG, this makes me want to learn another language just so I can have a field day…..coming soon
Rick, are you serious? Speaking Spanish is reasonable suspiscion that you are in this country illegally? So does that mean that my mother, who speaks more Spanish than English needs to carry her “papers” when she goes to the market? How about my when my cousin comes in from Mexico to visit, am I allowed to speak to her in Spanish without having to look over my shoulder for Joe Patriot? How warped has this country become?
PS.
I love how you put in the 12-20M. Even FAIR puts the number at 13M. Jeez…
Wow. Crazy. Sexist, Racist, and Nativist. I hope people vote this person out.
Mackie, have you ever heard Spanish speaking people make rascist comments that could not be understood in English? I would hope you find that equally repugnant and teach those people the meaning of freedom as well.
Red Dawn
We should learn Esperanto. No one will know where we are from!!! I can manage pig latin for a few minutes as well.
Dignidad, I also speak fluent Spanish, and I agree that it is rude to exclude anyone from the conversation when they don’t understand the langauge spoken. It is rude to make catty, derogatory comments about others no matter what the language.
But what does that have to do with the meaning of freedom?
Good analogy Firedancer –
@ 13. June 2008, 23:15
Oh, by the way, I also found interesting the last segment of the video clip that discussed the hate message about the black kids.
To those of you on previous threads who argued that racism against blacks is dead, and they need to get over it–please watch that and imagine being a black person.
Until you walk in someone else’s shoes….
(Thanks for the feedback, Juturna)
Oh, Firedancer, you know that the racists aren’t racist. (Winkies)
Rick Bentley said: “Here’s hoping this guy runs for higher office.”
It’s confirmed. Rick Bentley is a fake. He is not a hysterical Anti-Immigrant windbag; he is a liberal out to give hysterical Anti-Immigrant windbags a bad name.
Mr. Rick, you’re doing a great job.
My two cents: this is the 21st century. We are seeing way too much convergence between hate and politics.
Oh, come on Firedancer, people like us just refuse to “move on” and recognize that racism is just a tired old misused phrase, outdated for the 21st century. Lynching references and the N word don’t exist in our modern world (comments enveloped with sarcasm here!)
Dignidad said:
People will always be bigots. You can’t really change that. However, we shouldn’t allow bigotry to become the rule of law don’t you think so Dignidad???
OMG. Did you see how angry and defensive he was in the clip? Guilty as charged by his actions. Guess he will have the police department fired for releasing public information. What a jerk!!!
So does it work inthe reverse? If you speak more English than Spanish, are you automatically legal?
I don’t think racism is dead by any stretch. I do think it is often over-used. And saying one isn’t a racist doesn’t make it true.
Disliking your neighbors because they are nasty, disturbing and have no respect for anyone else’s property is not racist. It is disliking people who disturb your quality of life…in that sacred spot…your home. Applying your dislike to everyone else who looks like your neighbors is racist.
I am not sure anyone is totally free of racist feelings somewhere along the line. Some of us just have to look a lot further from home than others to find our weak link.
Hi Moon-howler!
Firedancer, Mackie said that she purposely avoids the English language to teach self appointed cultural policement the meaning of the word freedom. I don’t know how she teaches, but if she’s bilingual, doesn’t that give her the opportunity to teach Spanish speakers whatever righteous lesson she thinks English speakers need? You are so right, it is rude to exclude others by speaking a language that is only understood by some. I put that in the same category as whispering in front of other people. Of course some people have no choice but to speak the only language they know.
I don’t think racism against blacks is dead, but it is something we reject as a culture. We teach tolerance and acceptance of other cultures and although we have come a long way, it has not been eliminated.
Mackie, bigotry has not become the rule of law. However, there are those who believe that they shouldn’t have to suffer legal consequences of their poor decisions, crying racism when they get caught.
Wow. Disgustingly sad.
Did he refer to slavery as “nice cheap labor”?
There is no correct way to say that, not even if you are joking. What a bigot.
Dignidad,
I agree, speaking a foreign language that excludes others is like whispering on the rudeness meter. I hate that behavior in nail salons in particular. I just think those kinds of private conversations should not be taking place.
On the other hand, a family a a neigboring table speaking another language doesn’t bother me in the least. Shoppers in a store, no. There is just a difference.
Spanish language is probable cause that someone is “illegal???????” That sounds like some kind of idiotic ordinance from one of those racist counties you hear about on the news!
Excellent post, Mackie, by the way. There are many people in this country who naturalized and never quite mastered the English language. Meanwhile, there are naturalized citizens who learn to speak English better than a lot of us native-born Americans ever do.
English language proficiency does not make a person any more or any less worthy of equal protection under the law.
We don’t target American-born citizens who are don’t speak English very well, and there are plenty of those. Some of them are elected officials.
MEOW! Good one WhyHereWhyNow!
The woman who does my nails is from Viet Nam. She is always asking me to help her with words and expressions. We find that I am un-teaching her English from some of the “real” American’s she’s met. Go to Potomac Mills – let me know what you hear. Americans don’t speak English anymore. How on earth are immigrants to learn?? What do they think when they hear that? It’s a joke. If I came here and ran into this crowd, I would proudly stick to a real language, on that has some grammatical structure and yes, some iota of class. 🙂
one and [some] one…. coffee, coffee….
“If you speak more Arabic, are you likely to be a terrorist?”
Statistically, unm, yes. In reality. Maybe not in the poltically-correct fairy-tale world some of you live in.
Here’s my bottom line on this, and on how muddled political correctness has our society, and why many people get as angry as this guy (and myself).
Generally in our society law enforcement WANTS you to help them catch criminals. If you suspect your neighbor or someone else of tax fraud, the IRS wants to know. Burgalry, the same. Child abuse or neglect, the same. Not getting your county decal on your car, a hotline is set up. And so on and so forth.
But if the crime is :
A. Something a protected ethnic group commits in higher proportion than others,
and/or
B. Something that helps the rich to lower the price of labor
Then all bets are off.
Are crack-cocaine sentencing laws “racist”? I don’t think so. Some do. But if crack were more readily available it would not be in the interest of our ruling elites, so that law is more or less enforced. We don’t hesitate to jail millions over selling crack; precept A from above is violated, but not precept B. So the left rails that the law is racist, but the right and middle choose to enforce it.
Illegal immigration though helps the rich to stay rich, to pay less in wages when they invest and build things, so on that one “there’s not much we can do”. I and much of America call bull**** on this.
The speaking in a foreign language issue was recently discussed in a Miss Manners column. I thought the advice was pretty good it is based on the principle of not leaving someone out. According to her, it is rude for people to speak in another language when someone else is included in the conversation but can’t speak the language unless of course, one of the foreign language speakers is translating for the non foreign language speaker. However, it is perfectly acceptable to speak in a foreign language if the people around you are strangers and not part of your conversation.
So your Parisian mother in law should not be speaking French to your father in law and husband while you sit there with no one translating. A restaurant worker should not speak to other employees in Greek while you are at the counter with him placing your order.
But it is okay for your mother in law to speak in French to your father in law while waiting in line at the movies. And it is okay for the restaurant worker to speak Greek to his girlfriend while enjoying a picnic in the park.
In the same respect, it would be bad manners to speak english at your German relative’s home without translating or at least attempting to communicate in German.
I guess Miss Manners would consider it rude for nail technicians to speak in a foreign language while they are working on your nails. Wasn’t there a Seinfeld episode about that??
Rick Bentley, 15. June 2008, 13:22 said:
“Generally in our society law enforcement WANTS you to help them catch criminals. If you suspect your neighbor or someone else of tax fraud, the IRS wants to know. Burgalry, the same. Child abuse or neglect, the same. Not getting your county decal on your car, a hotline is set up. And so on and so forth.”
The point of departure in your argument above is the concept of “criminal”.
Also since, according to you, statistically Arabic speakers are more likely to be terrorists than English speakers, if we hear people speaking Arabic in public, should we call the police or Homeland Security or something, because they might be terrorists out to do us harm?
What’s disturbing is that the police actually acted on this man’s call. He called the police. He told them there were some men speaking Spanish. Based on that the police sent a unit to the scene. That disturbs me.
Red Dawn has inspired me. I intend to speak Spanish when I’m in public. If I see someone with an HSM t-shirt, I’ll speak loudly.
No but if you have a more reasonable suspicion you might want to.
Rick, what other more reasonable suspicion did that video guy have for calling the police other than the roofers were speaking Spanish?
Bottom line-speaking a language other than English is not grounds for calling the police.
Ricky Bentley said:
Rick, if you actually believe law enforcement exists to protect you, you need to review what the supreme court ruled on this. They are not obligated to protect you. They enforce the laws of the state. Whether those laws reflect justice or not.
Ricky my friend, they’ve got you very well-slaved to the matrix. Feels good doesn’t it? Just like the house slaves who would report on the field slaves when the field slaves somehow remembered that they had a human spirit, and in a moment when that spirit shone as bright as the sun, they broke their bonds and ran towards freedom. And some of the house slaves… because they loved the comfort of their golden cage and hated the price of freedom (death)…these house slaves helped to shoot down these slaves who had become our brothers and sisters in freedom.
Read your constitution. Income Tax is unconstitutional. Have you ever seen the law that requires you to pay income tax? No, you haven’t…because it doesn’t exist:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1656880303867390173&q=freedom+to+fascism&ei=dYlVSOC6O4OWrgK8wNDyDg&hl=en
“what other more reasonable suspicion did that video guy have for calling the police other than the roofers were speaking Spanish”
He knows the border is wide-open and employers are getting away with hiring illegals. he wanted it investigated. I don’t blame him.
What are the odds those guys are illegal? They are not speaking English and they are doing manual labor. What are the odds? Greater than 9 out of 10 probably.
Rick,
But the idea behind our justice system was that it is ‘better that 10 guilty men go free, than that 1 innocent man should be unjustifiably denied his freedom.’
So your estimation of 9 out of ten falls 1 short of the mark. Sorry Rick, close but no cigar this time.
Looking into whether a crime is being committed, one that victimizes employers who play by the rules, does not equal “denied his freedom” to me.
Rick:
Obviously, humor was never your strong point was it Rick?