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Thank you, Senator Menendez.
Excellent Post! I believe that I used the EXACT phrase in the thread regarding the town in Florida…..the “sheriff was on a witch hunt, only instead of witches it was lantinos”. EVERY American citizen should be appalled at these very real stories. Every American citizen should loudly, steadfastly, and with resolve, say that this behavior is unacceptable. These stories are not abberations, we have all read, time and time again, the disparaging comments made about lantino’s. There is a growing climate of hate in this country and latino’s are on the recieving end.
What Senator Menendez is describing is Ethnic Cleansing Lite.
The only “clensing” I see is the clensing of American values, culture, and rule of law.
stw:
A father gets up in the morning at 5am, kisses his children goodbye, and works all day long in the hot and the cold to put food on the table because he loves his children. An honest days work for an honest days pay. Integrity…and the callouses to prove it. Is this what you mean by UnAmerican?
LuckyDuck,
I wanted to respond to your concern that anything short of full amnesty for everyone could be construed as being a racist policy. I don’t believe so. I believe the underlying driving force for most people in many cases is just plain ignorance. There are a lot of myths that have been sold to the general public. A prime example being when people state – well, they’ve been here long enough if they were interested in becoming legal they would have done it already.
In my mind, I have concerns about the underlying motivation of some that are promoting this agenda like the founder of Federation for American Immigration Reform(FAIR) but obviously not everybody who is concerned about this issue is motivated for the same reasons. We need to find a way to resolve this problem without tearing ourselves apart over the issue. For many of us, we see an injustice and this is not an emotional knee jerk reaction but a realization that we need to recognize our culpability in this mess and act reasonably to rectify it.
Having said that, if someone says something racist like I don’t like when a Hispanic can own a home or the reason my son didn’t do well in school was because the class was 60% Hispanic, then I’m going to call them on those statements.
I find the comment ‘They need to come here the right way’ to be disturbing. If that were even possible now, perhaps I would agree with it. However, most people, including myself, are actually very ignorant about real immigration laws and how they are being enforced. It often takes 10-20 years to immigrate legally from some countries. By that time, your kids are either grown or have starved to death. That isn’t reality.
Far too many people are just throwing around sound bites when they really don’t know what all is involved or even if what they are suggesting is possible.
Mackie, 17. June 2008, 8:01
If he’s illegal, then yes, very unAmerican.
But it was a great sob story.
I’m just wondering how many families he’s sharing that house with….and if my tax dollars are paying for his kids’ education…..or if he’s paying any taxes, period. Little things like that…
stw,
Our country was born out of a rebellion against unjust laws. So the founding fathers were unAmerican by your standard.
Nice spin, Mackie! Same ole story, different day. If you can’t see the difference, then there’s just no helping you “get it”…..
again..reverting to history to justify an argument. WHEN does the “debt” for our founding fathers mistakes become paid??
stw and Just Cause,
Please show some American toughness and prove me wrong instead of hiding from my arguments.
Putting aside the individual stories and how American citizens’ rights are being trampled, this issue needs to be addressed at the federal level for all the reasons we routinely discuss here ( knowing who is in our country, providing a path to citizenship for hardworking people who are contributing to society, providing a needed work force,etc.) and also that passage between states and localities needs to be as unobstructed and uniform as possible. A citizen should be able to travel from Virginia to Maine or Fairfax to Prince William and reasonably expect the laws to be similar (a few traffic laws, marriage laws, and whether or not women can possess sex toys being some exceptions). I think it’s reasonable for immigration laws to be uniform throughout the US.
Alanna, hello, in a post on another thread I stated that Mackie’s call for 100% anmesty is unworkable and will never be accepted. This is what I wrote on 6/15 @ 20:56 Hrs.
“I do not support illegal immigration, but I realize that to deport 12 million people is not viable, would injure families, tear apart communities and seriously disrupt the local and national economy. But the fact is that everyone who is here illegally or in undocumented status if you please, cannot stay. Some will be able to, but there will be some heartbreak in any compromised solution. Yet, a lot of the contributors to this thread see no compromise, only their way or your a racist. ”
I was calling the rigid mindset that some contributors possess that theirs is the only viable solution and I pointed out that 100% amnesty is/will be a deal breaker. Its not politically viable and voters won’t stand for it. Some people in all segments of society are just not good people, so why add them to the population to prey on the rest of us here? We have enough of our own bad people/criminals already here. Yes, even though I stated that “some people in all segments of society” are bad, the rigid mindset of some will see racism or cultural discrimination in not allowing everyone to stay with an anmesty. If you are a criminal, we have no place for you in our society.
My comments Alanna, had nothing to do with FAIR, I don’t subscribe to any of their theories etc. My comment was in rebuttal to another post supporting 100% amnesty with apparently no questions asked and no exceptions necessary.
Mackie, 17. June 2008, 10:06
HA! Hiding from you? Don’t think so! Just not going to waste my time. This is something we’ll NEVER agree on, Wackie Mackie!
You dont get it Mackie, you MAKE NO ARGUMENT.. When ever your backed in a corner or dont have a response, you revert to history or some youtube vid..Its not about being American Tough..its about the law. My opinions are based on what is good for ME and MY family. Why is it when I voice those opinions that I get chastized?? I am doing EXACTLY what you claim to be “standing up for” !!!
Differnce is, I chose to do things legally since I am a law abiding citizen and if I wish to “rally” for my cause, so be it..I have freedom of speech todo so. I really don’t have to “prove” you wrong..I think the people of this county have Spoken and already “proved” you wrong….
“A father gets up in the morning at 5am, kisses his children goodbye, and works all day long in the hot and the cold to put food on the table because he loves his children. An honest days work for an honest days pay. Integrity…and the callouses to prove it. Is this what you mean by UnAmerican?”
I guess that all depends on your definition of “an HONEST days work” wouldn’t it? There’s a U.S. citizen out there more then willing to give a real honest day’s work for a real honest day’s pay but he can’t because he’s undercut by illegal labor. There’s also immigrants out there waiting in line to enter this great country the LEGAL way just to see your guy sneak across the border 5 times.
So yeah… while your guy might be a hard worker… he’s not exactly a hero to the working class or those trying to become U.S. citizens the right way.
Sooo Mackie:
Please show some American pride and now prove US wrong!
Just cause, stw, mando: If you could fix the immigration problem, what would you do to change things from how they are now? I would be interested in your solutions.
@ Moon-howler
Simple. Absolutely secure the border then take stock of what happens and adjust.
I’d be for UNLIMITED work visas with caveats if the demand is there.
Mando,
Thanks for the response. What would you do, realistically, with the folks who are already here who might have come across the border without permission?
Moving from the floor of the US Senate to the County Board of Supervisors……Why is it that Corey Stewart told the little old lady from Woodbridge he would not interact from the dais but back in May sure responded to Mr. Wills by telling him off?
I also was taken aback at him stopping the Katz lady, who had never been there before and forced her to introduce herself. He did not impose the same standard on the Marshalls. Neither of them introduced themselves. Are they priviledged? Right political party?
Shame shame again, Mr. Stewart! Lets use the same set of rules for everyone. (is that concept kin to ‘rule of law?’)
@ Moon-howler
Probably offer up work visas with penalties. I mean my end-goal would be to ensure everyone is playing by the rules. If you don’t want to play by the rules, you will get deported and there is absolutely no coming back. If you’re bucking the system and using illegal labor, you should get fried.
Not to oversimplify as I’m sure there are items i’m overlooking, but there’s my 2 minute resolution.
Moon howler
I didn’t hear this particular exchange, but they have to have the names of the speakers for the public record. If Mr. Stewart recognized Mrs. Marshall and said “and next, Mrs. Marshall”, with the videotaped record and her name sign in on the list, that would probably be enough for the record. But for someone who’d never spoken before, they do need the name for the public record, especially if the person hasn’t signed in but is going after all the listed people. You don’t have to sign the list of speakers if you wait until the very end to go last.
As far as the BOSC interacting with citizens, I believe if someone is inappropriate, they will say that what the person said is inappropriate or to stop that kind of talk or they will be escorted out, but they cannot interact, meaning answering questions, or directly have back and forth with the citizens, etc. Sometimes after they are done with citizens times, a supervisor will address the audience with comments pertaining to what someone said. Ms. Caddigan does this more than anyone, but in the past, Ms. Barg also responded to what had been said.
Mando:
Excellent suggestions and probably a good take on what the majority of the country would find acceptable when you take out the two extreme ends of the situation. If both extremes are unhappy with the plan, but the middle America is ok, then we’ve probably come up with a decent solution. Now if you could come to this solution so easily, then why are we electing our officials to sit up there pissing everyone off and not doing anything.
Thanks, Mando. Your solutions seem equitable at least. They also accept that 12 million people simply cannot be deported.
amom said:
“Now if you could come to this solution so easily, then why are we electing our officials to sit up there pissing everyone off and not doing anything.”
hehehe… That’s the million dollar question.
I watched Senator Menendez on C-Span the day he delivered his immigration speech. It was quite moving. I am thankful we have some level headed, empathetic senators in Congress. It almost restores my faith in the Federal Government.
amom,
If the rule is to introduce yourself and give your magisterial district, then all speakers should be required to do this. Ms. Katz was on the list because she was called to the front by Corey Stewart. He was being the enforcer. He needed to be the enforcer with the Marshalls also. For the record, I agree 100% with the Marshalls on this issue. I fault Corey Stewart, not the Marshalls for this oversight. I think it is a county disgrace (yes, another one!) that these people have to keep coming back every year and fight for a day care program for their aged parents.
I also feel that the Chair should have published that the time would be reduced from 3 minutes to 2 minutes for those wishing to address the BOCS. The speakers got blind-sided with this change in rules also, after they had prepared speeches.
I do not feel Mr. Wills was out of line in what he said. He might have touched a few nerves but he was not inappropriate. The BOCS just didn’t like what he said. Oh well, perhaps they should take a page out of Eleanor Roosevelt’s book about developing rhinoceros hide.
There just seem to be no consistent rules when it comes to the Board of Supervisors. I just pointed out a few examples while they were fresh on my mind.
The biggest flaw I see is that Mr. Stewart brought the day care cut up one week before it was voted on therefore elminating any real chance for citizen input before the vote.
Guess that is democracy in Minnesota?
I expect the Manassas people will end up suing for equal services. This action is definitely ‘for want of a nail a shoe was lost’ mentality. Anyone who has ever had the responsiblity for an aging parent, even for a brief time, understands what these people are asking for.
I am sick over the decision of the board. A society is judged on how it reveres its elderly. I am afraid our country comes up very short in this regard.
Unfortunantly there is no “win” “win” solution to immigration but I do agree with Mando, Secure the boarders first, Take away the Governments hand out, Have stiffer fines to businesses that hire illegals BUT offer Amnesty to those that are tax paying, self supporting, family providing individuals with no criminal history or intent.
“BUT offer Amnesty to those that are tax paying, self supporting, family providing individuals with no criminal history or intent.”
Just to clarify, i’m not suggesting offering citizenship. That should be handled in an entirely different way. Work visas should be relatively easy to attain. Citizenship shouldn’t.
When you stand before the BOCS and they ask you for your name, just lie. I will.
The business of government is to protect your privacy not protect the privacy of government. Your anonymity is your first line of defense when it comes to your freedom.
They want your name so that if you say anything they feel threatened by, they can direct the police to pay you ‘special attention’. Why else do they need your name?
Don’t be a ‘good german’ and do what the government says without questioning. Be a good American and protect your freedom from intrusive government.
As far as addressing the BOCS:
I have no problem with a name being recorded but it could be given a number when called to the stand to help keep someones identity anonymous.
I would have to say that is the number one reason people will not come out and speak with the second reason that they are on camera and being broad casted to the public as limited as it may SEEM.
As far as one of the BOCS members calling out a citizen, IF and when they do, they should state the very reason RIGHT THEN AND THERE or we are left to wonder.( again RUMORS could be dispelled)
Also, Mackie is right in the sense someone could/should lie ( I like to say aka) BUT what measures would they insure that it would not happen.
Remember, Don’t PROVOKE to REVOKE ( my new holy “SS ” saying) Let FREEDOM ring.
I have finally figured out my position on ALL of this political STUFF and that would be making sure that our civil liberties are not in jeopardy. I can sympathize all day long or get jived up at promoting our laws that will, can and HAVE been changed.
Mackie,
How do you feel about Rage against the machine ( the band) It is my husband favorite band( he is a drummer)BESIDE the BEAT he likes the statements/lyrics and I became SKETCHED out with a possible tie to LA RAZA about 2 months ago ( I was told it was a hate group )So, I am on the fence but I am interested in what they say and paying special attention to what we have been listening to all along.
ONE more thing ( @ least that’s how it always starts out for me)
All this talk about securing our borders but yet we have the Patriot Act?
I would like to see how other people feel about it.
From what I have been reading I do not like it one bit.
Mackie, 17. June 2008, 17:53
When you stand before the BOCS and they ask you for your name, just lie. I will.
Wear a tin-foil hat to fit the occasion. Admitting you will lie makes you totally dishonorable. (Hint: That’s a shameful trait to most Americans.)
They want your name so that if you say anything they feel threatened by, they can direct the police to pay you ’special attention’.
Too funny, bordering on the absurd. No wait! It *is* absurd! Any proof that it has happened?
Why else do they need your name?
My guess is that they just want to know who is speaking to them. One would *think* that when a citizen speaks to his/her elected government, in a public forum and for the public record, that said citizen should be known. I don’t have a problem with that. Why do you?
Further, you are not dragged there in chains, nor are you under oath. Presumably you are there because you want to speak to the Supervisors. Given that it’s totally voluntary, why do you feel the need to LIE about your identity?
Don’t be a ‘good german’ and do what the government says without questioning. Be a good American and protect your freedom from intrusive government.
So now you feel the need to insult Germans. Class act.
You’re a real specimen. And quite a coward.
es_la_ley,
You make the GOOD argument about discrediting the truth. However, I do get the POINT Mackie is saying about protection. This is where my solution comes into play, that a number be given and not broad casted, as all you need is a NAME to find out just about anything about anyone these days.
It still we keep me away for the simple fact that you are on film that is going to someones tv or computer. This in a sense would be a matter of security BUT I do not want to change things to become MORE policed to confirm the speaker is who they say they are.
There are other methods of getting a message to the BOCS and that could be in person rather than emails, etc.
Red Dawn, 17. June 2008, 19:44
I have no problem with a name being recorded but it could be given a number when called to the stand to help keep someones identity anonymous.
I would have to say that is the number one reason people will not come out and speak with the second reason that they are on camera and being broad casted to the public as limited as it may SEEM.
I humbly disagree. 🙂
I don’t want any anonymity when it comes to citizens addressing their government in an open, public forum. We, supposedly, have a free and open government and I want it to be just that way.
I understand that some people fear having their name in the public record, but that’s the price one pays when you want to exercise your 1st Amendment Right.
And, by the way, this extends to closed-door meetings of all kinds, between the Supervisors themselves and/or any group(s) that meet with the Supervisors. I want a public record of everything. 🙂
As far as one of the BOCS members calling out a citizen, IF and when they do, they should state the very reason RIGHT THEN AND THERE or we are left to wonder.( again RUMORS could be dispelled)
Also, Mackie is right in the sense someone could/should lie ( I like to say aka) BUT what measures would they insure that it would not happen.
es_la_ley, 17. June 2008, 20:20
Oops!, I meant to delete the last two paragraphs in my above missive (they are not my words – just forgot to remove them). Sorry.
Does one not have the right to address one’s government without giving one’s name? I don’t know. I do think that people have the right to speak to the BOCS without informing everyone who might turn on a tv or who might be there their name and address.
It is very difficult also to be able to speak with elected officials without coming under FOIA. Some people love to FOIA everything. I assume that when I email or write to a supervisor, any person, including those who would do potentially do me harm because of my beliefs, will know my name, address, and where I live.
I can see this situation might lead to silencing some citizens.
Red Dawn,
Did you see that google video I referred you to? What did you think?
I think Rage Against The Machine is awesome with some great songs. You can hear a rich warrior spirit in their music. Their politics are somewhat leftist which I am not (I would say I’m a libertarian with a little l) but I definitely support their desire to help oppressed people. I also share a name with one of the members.
I don’t know much about La Raza. I’ve seen a few speeches from the former prez of La Raza, Janet Murguia, and she has really impressed me. I never had need for an organization like la raza before but now I’m glad they exist even though I probably don’t agree with their whole platform. And I think the term ‘La Raza’ translated means something more akin to the people, like the normal folk, as opposed to the ‘hispanic’ race (whatever that is…I have first cousins who look much more ‘indian’ than I and I have first cousins who are blond and blue-eyed).
The Patriot Act is highly unconstitutional. Why do you think they called it the Patriot Act? Our country is between a rock and a hard place. We’ve been an empire for so long, we don’t know how to stop. There is a price for empire. Liberty. We could tolerate this somewhat during the Cold War because our opponent was another nation state. There were boundaries. There were rules. Everyone knew the rules and everyone wanted to live. We could understand the opponent and the conflict.
Now the opponent have chosen is an ancient faith that grows stronger in war, not weaker. Death in combat for the faithful is rewarded with paradise and paradise for their loved ones. We are slipping into a religious war we do not understand. We do not understand it because we are not a theocracy. Theocracies fight religious wars. They have the vocabulary for it. We do not have the vocabulary. Thats why we have this idiotic expression ‘War on Terror’. Don’t our bombs generate terror in the recipients? So are we fighting ourselves? How stupid this expression is.
Theocracies have populations that understand the totality of religious wars. Religious wars leave no quarter. You win by mercilessly crushing the enemy and completely subjugating the occupied population. And you bring as many priests as soldiers in order to convert the subjugated people. Convert, convert, convert until your faith is the majority.
We have no idea what the hell we’re doing in iraq and afghanistan. We are a constitutional republic. We are supposed to be friends and trade with all nations. The founding fathers would be screaming in their graves if they knew we were slipping into a religious war. It is out of this dissonance, between what we are and what we’re doing, that the Patriot Act is born. You hate it because you love freedom, but at the same time you feel you need it, right?
During the cold war, the threat from the enemy was inherent in the enemies’ DNA. However, the great advantage we had is that we could compromise with them. They were as political as we were and once the rules were established, the cold war was a 9 to 5 job with time off for holidays.
Politics is about compromise.
Religion is about absolutes. How do you compromise with the word of God?
The current enemy we are generating much faster than we can kill them is motivated by religious absolutes. The great advantage we have is that the threat from Islam is not inherent in it’s DNA. Unfortunately, it becomes a threat when you occupy Islamic soil because this is a great affront to the faith. But because we don’t respect the power of this faith like we respected the power of the Soviet Union, we tell ourselves it’s OK if we leave behind 30,000 or so troops in iraq. It does not matter if it’s 30,000 or 300,000. Infidel troops on Islamic soil demands a defensive jihad. And all the faithful are obligated to help whether by word, donations, or fighting itself. They cannot be deterred.
If we’re going to fight a religious war we’re going to have to kill millions upon millions. And then we’ll still fail unless we convert the ones who remain.
And what do you think our opponents will do to us?
They see much more clearly than we do. They do not call this the war on terror. They call it the war on Islam. They are prepared to fight this religious war…they showed us on 9-11.
In ’92 Al Queda formed a special unit of hard scientists and engineers to acquire a nuclear weapon. They’ve had 16 years. In ’91 we began a program to secure the nuclear weapons of the former soviet union. To date it’s only 40% complete. 60% unsecured…and al Queda’s had 16 years…
In 2003 Osama Bin Laden worked for and won religious permission from a Saudi cleric to kill up to 10 million Americans.
http://www.jinsa.org/articles/index.html/function/view/categoryid/1701/documentid/2762/history/3,2360,655,1701,2762
This is just a guess, but I don’t think he went to all that trouble for nothing.
es_la_ley,
“I humbly disagree. :-)”
I LOVE humble as this is what keeps a candle lite and reminded me of this song:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vrr3EmaF3gA
Sorry, that was girlie 🙂 But she was HOPEFUL and very humble.
I have to once agree with your disagreement with me! I have to check (hold back) my heart a little bit and start with my NEW… but old belief and that is with the Constitution. That must NEVER change! 🙂 MY daddy is good at reminding me/EVERYONE of the those rights…funny how a person has to find out what really matters and not because someone told you so. LOL ,I am such a rebel..hell yeah 🙂 kidding
AND
Mackie,
I have NOT had the time and see ALL these comments/exchanges…I know there is something there in your words!!!!!!!!!!!
Like I said, I have NOT had the time and BELIEVE me, I want to get caught up…YOU had my curiosity!!!!!
So, to keep with the theme of my videos: ( CHEESY 🙂 )
This one is for you! I will catch up tomorrow, I HOPE!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yop62wQH498
Red Dawn,
Here’s my contribution to the musical clips collection:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Jo4FvpN3_g
Mackie,
I left you a cryptic message last night on the party thread. I will just ask. MWC?
Red Dawn,
if anyone knows Bob Barr, ex senator (republican), he was outraged by the subsequent abuse of federal officials in their misuse of Patriot Act powers, in fact, he even joined forces with a very liberal group, opposed to the “new” powers of government to spy upon its citizens. In fact, Bob Barr is very conservative, he is so far right he almost collides into the left side of politics!
transcript from a Glenn Beck show:
GLENN: Tell me the places in the PATRIOT Act, because every time it comes up for review, we look for it. Tell me the cases where people’s rights have been trampled.
BARR: It’s very difficult to point to specific cases because it’s done in secret. There have been court cases, Glenn, where institutions and individuals have tried to bring cases and the courts won’t allow it because they won’t allow them to get the information to prove their case. There have been some. We had the case, for example, of Brandon Mayfield, the attorney out in, I think it was Portland, Oregon, who was arrested and detained incommunicado for weeks in, I think it was either 2004 or 2005 because he was completely erroneously linked to some suspects in the Madrid train bombing. Taking somebody, a U.S. citizen and holding them incommunicado without charges being brought against them on the flimsiest of evidence, evidence that in that particular case was told to the FBI by the Spanish authorities was wrong is in itself a very clear abuse of not just the PATRIOT Act but the fundamental constitutional liberties in this country.
Elena,
I DO NOT like the Patriot ACT one bit! ( this is also why I have always said the immigration thing is a distraction…I keep up with so many things /questions that I cannot just focus on one thing. Does that make sense? ( hopefully it will make some sense in my posts as in past, present, and future.)
I have ALWAYS said that I am just learning BUT when you finally learn OR have the TIME to focus on ONE thing something else slips by.
http://www.reuters.com/article/politicsNews/idUSN1327160320080613
THE POINT IS, there is SO much to keep up with and God Bless us all for TRYING!!!
Mackie,
Will you be at the party? You can say yes and hide under an aka 🙂 I can find you…LOL
Moon-howler,
Yep
Red Dawn,
Maybe
ONLY because I said that I retired the saying : holy “SS” 🙂
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ddzFbmNRRzU
Life is unpredictable…… Love it , live it 🙂
by the way, I chose it for the CAPTION but love the song 🙂
Mackie,
Ditto. Back in the day.
Moon-howler,
I was in Bushnell Hall freshman year. Then I moved to Mason Hall for sophomore year. Then I went to Alvey Hall for the last two years. What a great college it was. You saw your friends everyday just walking down campus walk. The professors were the best. They all cared so much for their students. I loved riding my bike, weaving in and out of the throngs of students on a sunny day on my way to class.