Is this really the road we want to travel as a nation, forcing men, women, and children, to live in the streets of America? Aren’t all children, living in the United States, no matter what their immigration status, worthy of shelter, warmth, and safety? What do we do with blended families, do we “check” all the “papers” of the occupants renting apartment or buying homes? Isn’t there a much deeper moral question we should be asking ourselves here?
Last month, a federal court struck down an ordinance in Farmers Branch, Texas, that sought to ban landlords from renting to illegal immigrants. This Dallas suburb of 27,500 people is now waiting to hear from the court on a second ordinance – one that requires tenants to get a residency permit from City Hall in order to rent apartments.
Under the new ordinance, prospective buyers or renters would have to prove their citizenship or residency status in order to obtain the license. Supporters say if the new ordinance is deemed constitutional, it would spread to other area communities contemplating measures to control illegal immigration.
http://blog.newsinitiative.org/2008/06/17/federal-problems-local-solutions/
Elena, Section 8 Housing happens to be only ONE point of many that I made. If you can’t recognize that, then you are indeed the pseudo-liberal of convenient compassion that I was beginning to think you might be.
It would seem, Just Cause, that our people of EVERY economic strata, including our poorest, are to take a back seat to the needs and desires of the illegal aliens…with the exception of those who economically benefit from their presence, of course.
AWCheney said it all.
Yes, Elena I believe “blended” families should not be eligible for Section 8. Point blank. We cannot, should not continue to ignore illegal behavior and expect less of it rather than much more.
And don’t doubt that a boatload of illegal aliens are living in “blended” Section 8 housing on taxpayer dollars, and many are either faking a relationship to someone ‘eligible” for Section 8, or not even faking it. There should be a stipulation that if you live ON TAXPAYER MONEY on Section 8 you can’t house illegal aliens. I don’t think there is – if there is one, it isn’t enforced by any mechanism. And there needs to be. When we as Americans collectively agreed to set up a safety net for our people in this form, it was never the intent to set out a welcome mat for other nations’ lower classes.
This is part of the hidden cost of illegal immigration, shouldered by middle-class Americans, and bankrupting local and State budgets, reducing the social safety net and standard of living for American citizens. But we don’t all work for peanut wages, cram in 15 to a house, and learn to love it so as AWCheney notes we are of less import.
AWCheney,
Now that I have the time to devote to the links you posted I will share my thoughts.
I find it interesting that the LA Times article you reference, regarding fraud in section 8 housing omits that actual crux of the story. The story is not about illegal immigrants getting getting to the front of the line, the main thrust of the story is that AMERICAN employees, getting rich of others misfortunes, SOLD section 8 housing on the black market. Most of the department appears to be corrupted. You should be angry at those employees for selling out their fellow citizens so that they could make themselves rich. I highly doubt that the illegal immigrants even totally grasp what section 8 housing entails. But since we don’t know that part of the story, it is simply conjecture.
Now, the other story regarding government assisted housing in Colorado appears to be somewhat different. I would have to agree, that if legal residents are being denied housing because undocumented workers are taking up apartment, that is a problem. I do believe, that if a family is comprised of one legal resident, but maybe their spouse is not, but their children are, that does become much more complicated. Now you are judging who is “more” legal within each family unit.
However, that is NOT what this story is about that I posted. So lets get back to the actual thread shall we. My point is that if someone wants to rent or buy, and can show they are able to pay their way, on their own, with no assistance, they should not be denied housing.
I’m mad at the employees
I’m mad at the illegal aliens who come here and lower our wages
I’m spitting furious at our politicians who don’t even attempt to uphold their oaths of office, to uphold US law
I’m even angrier at the ones like Bush, McCain, Obama who propogate false information and struggle with all their might to push Amnesty before the American people realize they’re being presented with false choices and fatalistic views of the future
I’m mad at the elites in Mexico and the US who laugh all the way to the bank
And I’m mad too at people like you Elena who raise such a hue and cry about the basic concept of enforcing the law and providing disincentive for criminal behavior
Rick,
Who would you say provides accurate information about immigration matters?
What do you consider amnesty? I always thought amnesty was just forgiveness, no questions asked. (as in return your library books and there will be no fines)
You sure are angry at a lot of people. I have never known Elena to support criminal behavior of any kind. In fact she has always been downright tough on crime.
Rick,
You and I see this issue through different perspectives. I acknowledge that you are clearly very upset. In the end, I do believe we can find solutions that are humane and fiscally responsible. I think Lucky Duck made an excellent point that not everyone will be able to work towards required citizenship, but if you have worked hard, contributed to this society, lived a crime free life, then I believe you should have the opportunity to become a legalized resident, if not a citizen. Sometimes anger can be useful to help motivate us, but other times, it can paralyze us to the point where we are unable to find the solutions that are within our grasp.
AWCheny- I am curious to know how you explain the rates of poverty for US citizens. Setting aside the rates of poverty/homelessness/hunger of immigrants and their children, how do you interpret the rates of the aforementioned in the native born population? Do you believe that the causes of epidemic proporations of homelessness and hunger is caused soley by immigrants, or do you have any other explanations or contributing factors?
Valley Girl, only you people have claimed that we assume all problems in our country are created by illegal aliens…and I have NOT seen or heard ONE person say that. There is no question that illegal aliens have EXACERBATED many problems, but all you people can do is put a spin on things.
I ask before, has ONE of you ever done anything to actually address the problems of our own poor in this country (like maybe going to the homeless shelter to hire an able-bodied family man there, rather than to a 7-11 to pick up an illegal day laborer)? Has ONE of you ever put yourself on the front lines of any of your issues, beyond perhaps saying a few words, either civil or insulting, before the Board of Supervisors or tossed a few dollars into a “political bucket?” Has ONE of you ever opened your home to a homeless person and tried to help them get a fresh start in life? All I see here is people playing lip service to compassion for people that they wouldn’t allow on their property unless it was to “do the work Americans won’t do” at the slave wages that they’re willing to offer.
I’ve had enough of this hypocrisy and pseudo-liberalism for one life-time. It’s people like you that give me insight into what a friend of mine from my past, Lori Jackson (who tragically died while I was overseas for a while), from such pseudo-liberals who talked a good game and then always left her hanging out there to dry when it came right down to it. For the unenlightened among you, or the new-comers to our area, she was a passionate activist in our area who had marched with Martin Luther King and counted Ralph Abernathy as one of her close friends. Here we were, me the Reagan conservative and she the civil rights activist, and we had an incredible amount of common ground and mutual respect. If you people believe that you are capable of achieving similar common ground in this issue, you are totally deluding yourselves. You don’t have the chops!
Yeah I’m angry. And enjoy venting my anger.
Seems to me Mark Kerkorian’s organization The Center for Immigration Studies is about the only one attempting to compile objective info on the cost of illegal immigration. Everyone else swallows the kool-aid and goes along with the facade that minimizes costs – mainly by not measuring benefits associated with the children of the illegal immigrants themselves.
What do I consider Amnesty? Anything that rewards people in any way for breaking in here in the first place. It’s that simple. Rewarding them in any permanent way for coming here illegally can only increase chances of more and more waves coming in. Note that it’s not really possible to “seal the border” as Bush and McCain would have you believe. The only way to stop illegal immigration at all is to implement and enforce laws that provide disincentive for doing it. It’ll never happen if the right keeps bamboozling people (with the motivation of lowering American wages) and the left does also (with the motivation of cultivating Latino votes) each using the notion of Christian Charity as a front.
Elena I don’t there is anything inhumane or fiscally irresponsible about enforcing the law, or about anything that’s happened in PWC.
Rick Bentley, the Center for Immigration Studies = FAIR, hardly an objective group.
“only you people” “you people” “has ONE of you ever” “Has ONE of you ever” “Has ONE of you ever” “All I see here is people playing lip service to compassion for people that they wouldn’t allow on their property unless it was to “do the work Americans won’t do” at the slave wages that they’re willing to offer.” “I’ve had enough of this hypocrisy and pseudo-liberalism for one life-time.” “It’s people like you” “If you people believe that you are capable of achieving similar common ground in this issue, you are totally deluding yourselves. You don’t have the chops!”
AWCheney, and we’re supposed to take you seriously?
I don’t care if you do or not Censored…the people who know me do.
Oh yes…and the people I respect do!
AWCheney,
To be kind and giving to American citizens, does not preclude one from being kind to all people. I don’t feel the need to list all the things I have done, little and small, to help my fellow man or fellow animal, but I am very comfortable in my belief that I have put that compassion into action, for many different types of people.
Rick,
You and I will just have to disagree then, and I am fine with that.
I’m fine with it too, and it makes it easier for me to accept that knowing that the majority of voting citizens in PWC are closer to my position that yours, and the Rule of Law will stand, and it can stand up to any scrutiny that any activist judge cares to hold it to, and in fact it is helping to convince illegal aliens to leave my area (rather dramatically).
Does it create or contribute to a climate of intolerance, as some say? Hardly. It might REFLECT some of the extreme anger that many residents feel, but it certainly doesn’t create a climate change.
Obama and McCain can fiddle while Rome burns, but here in PWC we have found a solution, party orthidoxies be damned.
If you think I’m angry now, you should have seen me a year ago, when the illegal kid next door prevented my wife from feeling she could relax in her own bedroom (noise), and started leering at our daughter.
Man, that is a lot of you people this and you people thats! I would say that is sure lumping all the people here into one big do-nothing bunch.
I would say, awcheney, that you simply do not have the right to say that about the posters here because you do not know. That is a mighty broad assumption you are making and you know what happens when you assume.
The “people” to whom I refer know exactly who it is that I’m talking about.
What does this have to do with immigration law? Would you be any less angry if this person had been legal. In fact, I”m curious if you actually knew for a fact, the person was undocumented (here’s a hint: English proficiency don’t mean squat)
If this is why you support the resolution then you have violated certain basic precepts of our justice system. That the punishment should fit the crime. Anything else is cruel and unusual punishment.
And that people be judged as individuals, not as whole communities.
Hey y’all, I figured out how we got ourselves into such a mess:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xS2WZk_Ku_0
elp Save Manassas has been busy at day laborer sites in Prince William County over the past few days, spending time in Woodbridge this past weekend, and then this morning at the 7-Elevens in Yorkshire on Old Centreville Road and Coverstone Drive today. We’ve documented quite a few people picking up day laborers, the evidence of which should be of great interest to federal authorities, and reported some unlawful behavior to the Prince William County Police which is increasingly regarding the Crime Prevention Team as a valuable partner. When county police show up in response to a public urination or drinking in public complaint as they did today, it is amazing the extent to which the day laborers quickly clear out.
At the end of the team’s shift at the Coverstone 7-Eleven, the business owner came out to have a chat with us and thanked us profusely for coming to help. He said he had been begging the Prince William County Police Department for help for many months, and about all he ever got was a squad car parked in his lot for a few days which did little to solve the problem once the day laborers figured out that the officer wasn’t going to do anything about them. He’s called the property owner of the adjacent vacant property where the day laborers congregate after he runs them off his property at least a hundred times, and nothing has happened. He told us that the only thing that seems to have made any impact so far is when citizens show up to document Americans hiring day laborers which significantly seems to the activity. He would really like to see a lot more of Help Save Manassas out in front of his store, in the hopes that it will discourage so many illegal aliens from co-opting his place of business as their spot to hang out and trash the place.
The presence of day laborers has significantly harmed his business, and dramatically damaged the profitability of this store. In his opinion, for every day laborer that thinks he’s entitled to hang out in front of or next to his store, it reduces his customer base by fifty people, which sometimes translates into a daily net loss on his daily business operations. The owner of the store is himself an immigrant, a legal one, who isn’t too impressed with the notion that illegal aliens can destroy his business in the name of diversity and compassion towards immigrants. They seem to have no compassion whatsoever for this non-hispanic immigrant, who involuntarily shoulders the burdens that these day laborers impose. This business owner is enormously frustrated that local law enforcement will not enforce laws prohibiting the employment of illegal aliens or more vigorously enforce ordinances against loitering and tresspassing, and welcomes whatever help the Crime Prevention Team of Help Save Manassas can provide.
I can’t blame him one bit. This morning we had some interesting fellows hanging out and adding to the diversity in the area, some adorned with tatoos on their necks and faces that seemed to be gang-related. Who would want to run a business where customers have to run a gauntlet of these types in order to come into your store? Probably not many
# AnonGuy said on 18 Jun 2008 at 1:25 pm:
Did the usual supects show up to “observe” HSM? Was Eric “I wanna be a skinny Michael Moore” there? Did John “I love Che’ ” on the scene? I wonder if Annable “Bobble-Head” Park will show up to do an after-action interview. You know, the one where she asks a bunch of leading questions and gets responses like this:
“HSM showed up in full military tactical gear and started shouting insults to us, telling us to quit pissing on walls and being drunk at 7:30 am. Then Greg unleashed four german shepard attack-dogs and threw tear-gas grenades, while Maureen Wood hit us with a water cannon. It was all very tramatic. I have to feed my kids, which is why I come here and drink beer in the morning. Breakfast is the most important meal of the day.”
and then there is a BS text overlay that says:
“HSM denies the accusations, but the details have been confirmed with PWCPD”
AnonGuy is none other than anon AKA Leaving Point of Woods AKA the idiot who likes to dominate every discussion here. I told you guys before anon was a liar and a fraud. The proof is in the two posts above.
OneForTheRoad,
Nice quote. A direct lift from Greg’s BVBL blog. I read this blog entry with much interest.
How pathetic that the HSM should choose to deny hardworking men a chance to put food on the table. Is this now the definition of patriot?
You guys actually think you can stand in the way of the unconquerable laws of supply and demand. Ha! Our country was built on benefiting from supply and demand. Read your history. Every time we try to stand in the way of supply and demand, we fall down on our faces and suffer until we learn our lesson. For example, the prohibition laws, speed limits that are unrealistic, the idiotic war on drugs, denying visas to immigrants and then calling them ‘illegal’ when we are the ones who made them so.
Keep fighting the law of supply and demand. Keep spending your resources. Keep wearing yourselves out and slowly breaking your morale. If this is a war of attrition, you will lose because reality is not on your side, bubba.
Futility is on your side.
It’s a poor ally to have.
We’ve documented quite a few people picking up day laborers, the evidence of which should be of great interest to federal authorities
I doubt it. They’ve got bigger fish to fry/catch. Are you saving PWC money only to make the feds waste it responding to small potatoes? You’re probably wasting PWC dollars as well on your vigilante tactics in harrassing the day laborers because of the resulting police calls. I imagine regular shoppers are not going to want to go to the 7-11 while you guys are hanging around either. They’re not going to want to get in the middle of your camera weilding lunacy. Although kudos to you for picking up the trash!
Mackie, 20. June 2008, 12:50
“How pathetic that the HSM should choose to deny hardworking men a chance to put food on the table. Is this now the definition of patriot?”
Absolutely!
Mackie – you take the cake! And you, sir, are pathetic! So, the owner of 7-11 is grateful, and you’re upset because HSM is helping him out? Oh, that’s right, you all are only interested in helping the illegals in the county – to hell with the hard working LEGAL businessman!
What a crock!
Hey, I’m on you guys side. Why are you attacking me?
But if you want me to play devil’s advocate here’s some other posts that you can respond to:
# Rick Bentley said on 18 Jun 2008 at 2:00 pm:
Those guys are out there every day. it’s sad to hear that the store owner can’t get the police to help. I thought loitering was illegal. At least it is for non-Hispanics.
# Wine Please said on 18 Jun 2008 at 5:17 pm:
the 7-11 owner is right about losing business due to the loiterers…when I first moved to PWC, I lived in the Carlisle Station apts across 234…and used to go to that 7-11 all the time because it was close. Then as time went on, and more and more men loitered about, I stopped going there because I didn’t appreciate the obnoxious and lewd comments shouted at me as I walked up and entered the store.
Interesting that when the resolution was passed, the loitering around the nearby Walmart and Home Depot nearly disappeared, yet this poor 7-11 is still suffering. Glad to hear he appreciates HSM’s efforts!
What’s next said on 18 Jun 2008 at 5:52 pm:
I live on rt.1 and when I first moved here my wife and I went to the 7-11 (at the corner of the prkway and rt.1) and there were about 30 guys just standing around. As we walked in most were staring at my wife and talking about her in Spanish. I never go there anymore when I’m with her and I don’t allow her to go alone because I fear for her safety. I can see how these types of places would lose business because nobody wants to deal with it. I’ve also had a similar experience at the other 7-11, next to Rico’s Taco’s.
# anonlady said on 18 Jun 2008 at 7:17 pm:
Sunday night at around 6 pm there were 20 or so guys “looking for work” (wink, wink) at the 7-11 at Rt. 1 and the Parkway.
I used to be a regular 7-11 customer – slurpees and/or coffee everyday; yum.
Haven’t been in several years. It’s just not worth it.
stw…or should I say Greg. The effect on the businessman is not acceptable either. Abuse by the undocumented is not justifiable than by the documented. Abuse is wrong no matter who commits it.
This is why, the day laborer center in Herndon was such a great idea. But Help Save Herndon killed it. This is what I mean by fighting the Law of Supply and Demand. It creates unnecessary problems and businessmen like the 7-11 owner suffer. And while he may complain, many people come to his business specifically to pick up the laborers. Do they not take the opportunity to buy his products?
You see…I too advocate the Rule of Law. But my law is called the Law of Supply and Demand. It is a form of freedom.
And another heartbreaking story, for all of you who like to post your heartbreaking stories about illegal immigrants and what a hard time they have here:
Fellow local blogger PWConservative writes about an “interesting” experience on Sudley Road where he was rear-ended by someone lacking a drivers license, lacking any insurance, who could not speak English, and who left the scene of the accident in an attempt to evade an interaction with the Prince William County Police Department. I’d hope our fellow conservative blogger ensures that whatever information about this driver and his vehicle hs has is quickly provided to the police so we can remove another dangerous and unlicensed driver from our roads.
The problem was, the guy who hit me couldn’t speak a word of English, My linguistic skills in Spanish are equally dismal, I am assuming He was either a Tourist or Illegal Immigrant (Alien sounds too much like a Martian).
We pulled over, As soon as He saw that My neck hadn’t completely snapped off, He mumbled something in Spanish, Jumped back in his car and took off.
The question PWConservative poses is whether the Rule of Law Resolution has improved road safety. In his case, the presumed illegal alien fled the scene in order to avoid law enforcement scruitiny, but that behavior has long been a hallmark of illegal alien drivers in the area, who have been fleeing the scene of an accident long before anyone was discussing a crackdown on illegal aliens. In Mexico, for example, the advice given to many legal drivers is to flee the scene of an accident regardless of whether you’re at fault or not, because any interaction with the corruption-ridden police at all will be somewhat problematic, at best.
The problem of unlicensed and uninsured drivers of questionable legal status in Prince William County running away from the scene of a accident exploded in the past several years. Not too long ago, Lieutenant Philip Harrover was gravely injured in an auto accident involving a drunken illegal alien who attempted to flee from the scene. In my discussions with area residents, I always seem to find a ready supply of people with stories to tell about how their parked car was smashed by someone on a Friday or Saturday night that fled, or attempted to flee the scene. When the individuals were apprehended, they almost always seemed to have tremendous difficulty speaking English, don’t posess a drivers license, and have no insurance.
The frequency of these accidents seems to be decreasing, however. Mexicans Without Borders has plead with their illegal alien membership to respect state and local laws, many more folks are riding around on bicycles, and the local reports of parked cars getting hit in neighborhood have declined to just about zero. By reducing the number of illegal aliens unlawfully present in the area, the number of unlicensed and uninsured drivers has precipitously dropped, although as PWConservative’s account attests, we still have more work to do. By all accounts, the Rule of Law Resolution has made our roads safer, even if we havn’t quite yet discouraged the remaining illegal aliens in the area from unlawfully using a motor vehicle.
# DPortM said on 20 Jun 2008 at 11:58 am:
I know someone who was hit at the intersection of 234 and Sudley Manor about three weeks ago and the woman didn’t speak English and she didn’t have a driver’s license. The person who was hit asked the officer why he wasn’t checking the immigration status of the driver and the police officer said that policy had been suspended and that they weren’t checking any longer for just an auto accident anyways.
# CitizenofManassas said on 20 Jun 2008 at 12:26 pm:
The poor guy was most likely just trying to go from his 4th job to his 5th job in attempt to provide for his family who is otherwise law abiding and upstanding. No doubt he also is under pressure to support the family members that he left behind in his native Country. I can understand why he has not had the time to obtain a driver license and insurance.
Oh, that’s right, you all are only interested in helping the illegals in the county – to hell with the hard working LEGAL businessman!
There goes that broad brush again. I’ll speak for myself only. I don’t want to see any looney groups at 7-11. But then again, I haven’t come to a 7-11 that I’m afraid of. My husband stopped at that Coverstone 7-11 on his way to NVCC one morning recently. He wasn’t afraid of the day laborers.
Your law of Supply and Demand, Mackie, is we Demand and you Supply.
And watch who you call “bubba” – Wacky Mackie! You are wacky too when you don’t even realize I posted to help you out. Leaving Point of Woods aka anon insisted he never posted on BVBL. It is clear he does. You might have missed the proof since you said you saw that thread but read it without much interest. He was the first poster on that thread.
CensoredbyBVBL: I’m sure your husband is the size of a lumberjack or something. Big deal that he doesn’t feel afraid of going to the Coverstone 7-11. If everyone was the size of a lumberjack they wouldn’t be afraid in crossing the “day laborer line” either!
AWCheney: the only thing Mackie supplies is a bunch of BS.
Mackie spouted angrily: “stw…or should I say Greg.” Thar she blows again! Everyone must be Greg in hiding! Yeah Mackie keep telling yourself that. Live in your delusional world that the only person who could be on here and post those kinds of things in support of the resolution must be holy Greg himself! You are pretty deluded to think that!
Mackie pontificated most eloquently: How pathetic that the HSM should choose to deny hardworking men a chance to put food on the table. Is this now the definition of patriot?
And what is your definition of a patriot, Mackie? Answer your own question! Or was it a rhetorical question? Then again you are quick to ask questions of others, but i don’t see you answering their questions. Interesting.
OneForTheRoad, is it a slow day over on BVBL that you have to keep bringing your threads here?
I think many uninsured drivers will flee the scene of an accident – native white guys as well as Hispanics. Just Cause will get his knickers in a bind, but here’s another of my stories: I was in my kitchen and looked out the window as a car tried to back into and turn around in a space besides my husband’s Jeep. The driver ripped the bumper off his car in the process and then tried to flee. But the turning radius was too tight and I ran out barefooted and stood in front of her car. I recognized her as a neighbor from a couple blocks away. She threw her insurance card out of the window at me and left. I called her boyfriend, who owned the car, and asked what he was going to do about the bumper. She wasn’t on his policy because she’d had too mant DUIs and had no license. Luckily, he paid. But, scofflaws come in all ethnicities.
Nice try to claim credit for the decreasing flights from the scene. There are as many factors at play there as in the home foreclosure mess.
OneForTheRoad, my husband is just average guy size. I’m just average woman size. We don’t quake in our boots at the thought of going to 7-11. And we don’t need a band of vigilantes accompanying us.
Hey Mackie: answer this one if you can:
Who’s the bigger patriot:
Door Number 1. The law abiding legal American resident who is hard working, doesn’t put a drain on society, and seeks to keep his family safe.
or
Door Number 2. Those who seek to allow people here who do not follow our laws and terrorize our citizens with their drunk and disorderly behavior.
or
Door Number 3: The legal citizen of Mexico who sneaks across the border and lets his country further disintegrate into a huge stinking pile of crap. And then he will expect every other country to help bail out his country.
I know which choice you’ll pick.
Censored – yes that’s right it is good that the resolution brought on all these foreclosures. There is one on my block that was full of illegals that all they did was loaf around and piss on their front yard. I didn’t see them doing any work. It was even too much of a bother for them to keep the grass on their lawn cut. It grew like weeds. And their junker of a car was an eyesore for the whole neighborhood. It probably was a danger to everyone when it was on the road. Unfortuantely wherever they moved it probably is still on the road. At least now the lawn is cut, the house is up for sale, and we don’t have to see people taking a leak in front of their house and on their neighbors lawns. They must be too lazy to take a leak inside the house – what a concept – so THAT is what the bathroom is for!
And good for you and your husband. Then again maybe you are martial arts experts. Whatever, it is good that you are not afraid. But maybe you should be.
I think it’s time to go back to BVBL. This place is pretty boring. See you later!
AWCheney,
You may insult me if you wish. I don’t mind, and I get a kick out of it. 🙂 However, please include some substantial arguments along with your insults. It’s not fair to whet my appetite and then deny me the main course.
OneForTheRoad,
We don’t really need you to cut and paste BVBL’s posts here but you’re certainly welcome to debate the issues. I called stw Greg because that’s what he sounds like. It might not be Greg, but that’s the kind of person the follows the Glorious Gospel Greg.
And my definition of a patriotic American is one who fights for freedom. As you can see, HSM is moving us towards a police state when they even spend their free time harassing peaceful day laborers at the 7-11.
OneForTheRoad, I’ve lived next door to the same type of tenants and they were white.
Is the Crime Prevention Team like the Minutemen’s Civil Defense Corps?
Mackie, and is it not right to fight for our freedom from having such a huge drain on the local economy with all the services these freeloaders take up?
And “all hail Glorious Gospel Greg”!! I’m sure that’s what you like to think everyone who you disagree with does – repeats that mantra day and night. In your dreams, “bubba”!
Onefortheroad,
I am a little confused by your frenetic posts. On one hand you are angry because Mackie misunderstood your intentions when you posted regarding BVBL information, but then go on the attack regarding who is a patriot and who is not. Maybe you could clarify your position, that would be helpful in understanding your posts.
Also, how do you know that anonguy is LPOW?
Also, as far as hit and run accidents go, while I was visiting my mom in Fredricksburg, a woman hit my parked car in the community parking lot by her pool. Luckily the life guards saw the whole thing and wrote down her info for when security arrived. She was NOT latino, she was a white woman in late fifties or early sixties. She hit my car, stopped, looked over the passenger window to asses the damage to my car, and then took off. This is not an illegal immigration issue, this is a lack of personal responsibility, no matter where you were born!
Simple: LPOW was anon until he was cajoled endlessly into adopting something different. On BVBL he is still hiding behind the anon id. It is very simple to figure out. Also it sounds like the same junk he posts over here.
You story is interesting, but as far as a lack of personal responsibility goes, illegals have far more lack of personal responsibility than law abiding, legal residents. If they were so responsible, they wouldn’t be pissing on my front lawn, spitting their disgusting chewing tobacco on the sidewalk, and driving their wrecked up beater cars around the neighborhood blaring loud music. If they were so responsible, they’d pick up their lazy asses and clean up the mess they make instead of making an even bigger mess every day with their disgusting bodily functions and trash. I have never seen such a lack of personal responsiblity as the illegals appear to have. It is way beyond anything anyone could ever have imagined. If they were so responsible, they’d go back to Mexico and clean up the mess there, instead of bringing it here into the USA. We are not a welfare state, and we shouldn’t be helping these people who come in and trash our country.
Censored – I don’t know, I’ve never seen the Minuteman Civil Defense Corps. But the Crime Prevention Team is doing an outstanding job of making our businesses safe for all citizens and legal residents to enjoy and feel safe in.
I have never seen such a lack of personal responsiblity as the illegals appear to have. It is way beyond anything anyone could ever have imagined.
Maybe you’ve never seen that behavior before, but it certainly exists/existed in the good-old-boy community as well. I’ve lived in several of what you might call “marginal” neighborhoods and the same problems were present and the guilty parties weren’t Hispanic.
So, exactly what has the Crime Prevention Unit done? Where? What changes? Any permanent changes? Taking photos of day laborers isn’t enough in my book to classify any changes as more than temporary.
It is time to ask that all important question. What is the difference between the day laborers loitering and the Crime Prevention Team of HSM loitering? Seems to me that loitering is loitering.
Has the CPT been hired as private security? Maybe they should consider getting a few dogs out there. Sniff out the bad buys. Or…perhaps they just want to stir up trouble.
I don’t doubt for one minute if the 7-11 at Coverstone called the police and asked to have loiterers removed, it would happen. Those folks at 7-11 say whatever it is they think someone wants to hear.
I want to know what Censored asks. What HAS the CPT done to affect any change? Last time I drove by that 7-11 I saw plenty of folks out there looking for work.
Here’s a little secret: ICE knows exactly where the day laborers are. They don’t give a rat’s ass. So all the ‘I’m turning you in’ threats are just that…threats! BFD.