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Censored,
I just bet you do. 😉 (said all in good natured fun)
My stories from the 70’s are similar to the ones you’ve told of the good ole boys.
I had a Bradford pear tree come down a couple of years ago. I still have the same fellas knocking on my door every couple of months wanted to grind the stump. This has gone on for two years now. Don’t you think they’d get the message by now, wouldn’t ya? I know we could exchange some stories. The sad thing is they are TRUE STORIES!!
Leaving Point of Woods,
Well then, I ACCUSE you of being a wise person. I like what you say and this IS the reason as you pointed out we may NOT always agree but it comes down to Respect 🙂
I hope to see you at the party.
and
Chris,
Right back atcha! 🙂 WE have that common goal and I second Cencsored in saying we hope to SEE you at the party 🙂
Fire-n-ice- chick,
Did Hank Hill ever do an impression of Judas? ( or at least the show?)
🙂
LPOW,
I am going to put on the ‘brutally honest hat’ for a moment because someone needs to say this. Might as well be me. Stop taking cheap shots at the blog. EVERYone knows your issues. We are all in remediation on the subject. Not everyone agrees on this blog. Stop saying ‘this blog’ as though it has a mind of its own.
If you have an issue with someone’s position, challenge them. If that person has called you a name, get in their face. If someone has mischaracterized you, tell THEM about it. But put the damn broad brush down.
I have had a great deal of sympathy for your living situation. I drive through POW nearly daily. However, you are wearing me down. Basically, you have insulted so many people on here using that broad brush, even my sympathy is drying up.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zd_8m241vYg
🙂 all in fun, just reminds me of the song..a step up from “beat it” 🙂
or ” oh yeah? well, let me tell you something 🙂
Moon-howler: It is funny, as it is OK to paint me with the same broad brush you accuse me of painting those on this blog with. Anyway, it is pointless to debate that particular topic any further.
Red Dawn: Thanks, but that is being a bit too generous in what you ACCUSE me of as you wrote in your latest post. But I do agree with the rest of what you said in the same paragraph.
Moon-howler: By broad brush I refer to the fact I have repeatedly said that not all posters on this blog were the same way, but there is a large majority that are dominating and repeating the same theme of accusing those of us who don’t agree with them as various things we are not. And there are too many to count, at least in my personal case. After awhile it seemed to not be worth addressing them individually. You may disagree with that, and it is your right to, but now you are using the broad brush when you say I said that everyone on this blog is that way. You know I didn’t say that, if you read my posts. And as to this blog, to me the majority view of the posters reflects this blog’s point of view. And it is clear to me that this blog does indeed seem to say that at least ethnic cleansing (oops, I said it again) is happening in PWC. I don’t think anyone can argue with that characterization of this blog. But I will try to stop referring to “this blog” in the future, assuming I continue to post here, which I am evaluating whether it really is worth continuing or not.
LPOW,
You’ve posted so many times on this thread, you’ve almost dominated it so why are you complaining. If the other posters from BVBL do not post here it is simply because they are afraid of a real debate. The lack of their presence speaks to their intellectual bankruptcy. But that is freedom of speech. Freedom of speech reveals who actually has something substantial to say, and who actually is only interested in propaganda.
I’ve posted many times on BVBL and been the lone voice . In fact every time I post Greg bans my IP. So then I have to change it and find a way to sneak back onto his blog. He hasn’t defeated me yet. But’s thats what it takes to actually post an opposing viewpoint on BVBL.
Here, all you have to do is show up. It’s called freedom LPOW. Why are you complaining about freedom???
Holy Poopy!!! I’m watching Escape From New York with Kurt Russell. In the movie, New York has been walled off and turned into one big prison.
With all prisoners DEPORTED to New York.
Aren’t we kinda doing the same thing? Except the place we deport these ‘criminals’ is the third world?
Mackie,
“Holy Poopy”….ok, I have to pass the ” holy snake Sh%t” baton to you 🙂 you can use it. I just retired it but “Holy Poppy” just doesn’t have the same effect :)too watered down, lol
LPOW,
O.K. everyone is asleep, for now, so I feel like I can comment with some peace and quiet to help me think. First, it is hard to fully communicate in the cyberworld, it is not the “healthiest” way to exchange ideas from my point of view, but it is what it is. I think initially, we were all enjoying our new found freedom from the censorship of Greg and BVBL. I know there was alot of mistrust from new posters here initially. We had a couple of posters that “set up” a scenario that ended up resulting in Katherine getting a threatening letter from Greg. So I think maybe, that is where many of us became suspicious of anyone we didn’t actually “know”. As much as you can know a ficticious name! I believe that several posters have actually apologized to you for past comments. It may be time to let that resentment go LPOW.
Now, I think I may be understanding where alot of miscommunication has happened. When people post about hatred growing, ethnic cleansing, and neo-nazi behavior, we are not necessarily equating those adjectives to everyone who believes that there is an illegal immigration problem or even to those who may have initially supported the resolution. People’s defense mechanisms may be very sensitive if they believe they are being lumped into that category. Sometimes people can get swept up in a movement when they believe it will easily solve their problems, not fully understanding the long term consequences, and I believe that is what happened with HSM. LPOW, no horrible human atrocity ever happened instantly , the hatred must be cultivated , uninterrupted, so that people become immune to the pain of their fellow human beings.
I was born in D.C., my family was their during the riots after MLK was assisinated. When my mom was robbed at the front door of the townhouse, my dad decided it was time to move to the suburbs of VA when I was 4. Sometimes people move from their neighborhoods because the don’t feel comfortable anymore, that is their perogative. There are probably many people on this thread that found themselves moving out of neighborhoods for one reason or another…bad neighbors, changing demographics, or simply to find a more peaceful environment. The resolution was ill conceived, ill thought out, and rightfully, in the end, amended to a more reasonable directive.
Mackie may throw out ideas that challenge us to think, sometimes we refute his points, partially agree, and even sometimes emphatically agree. But that is the beauty of this blog, we can all share what we believe.
When you hear stories that Senator Menendez has described, what are your thoughts on such consitutional travesties? When you hear that people in deportation detention centers are denied even basic health care, what are your thoughts?
Red Dawn,
NOOOO, HSS does not get to retire. I will take up THAT baton with pride.
LPOW,
I guess we will just agree to disagree. I think you have voiced some valid complaints about your neighborhood, your HOA, and probably your city govt.’s neighborhood services. I just grow weary of hearing you grouse about the blog and the people on it. We are who we are. If I have been too rough on you, I apologize.
mackie,
Are you going to give lessons on averting the dreaded IP address police? I don’t know how to do that.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13178949/
LPOW,
When I read stories like this, I think, don’t these people deserve some modicum of respect for the doing the back breaking work that so many Americans won’t do. Did you travel to New Orleans to help clean up? It was a disaster of epic porportions, we needed these people to help, it’s just that simple to me.
Is this thread the longest ever?
Yes Mackie, it’s a new record for anti!
Let’s keep it going!
Moon-howler,
Post your email address and I’ll send you the instructions.
I’m off to bed Mackie, have at it!
Mackie,
[email protected]
Thanks.
Mackie:
You said “You’ve posted so many times on this thread, you’ve almost dominated it so why are you complaining. If the other posters from BVBL do not post here it is simply because they are afraid of a real debate.”
Once again your post implies I am a BVBL poster. I’ve stated repeatedly I am not. Again, you make invalid assumptions about me without knowing any facts. If you post so much on BVBL or read it, then you would know I don’t post there. But I know you like to think I’m a BVBL poster, or make everyone believe I am, so I guess if that makes you happy to think that and say that, good for you. But as you tire of what I say, I get tired of you and some others on this blog stating or implying that I’m a BVBL poster. Or a Greg follower, being used by Greg, a Greg tool, and other things of that ilk.
You continually make assumptions about me and state them in your posts as facts. It makes one wonder if other things you say are true or not. In fact once in a post where I said the system I work on might be deployed for border security and I stated that I felt securing the border was important before any amnesty deal could be reached, you had the extreme nerve to say “This person has learned nothing from 9/11”. Every American has learned SOMETHING from 9/11 – I am sure of that.
And here’s one thing I learned from 9/11 – anti-semitism is very much alive in the USA. The company I was working for at the time, right after 9/11 – an idiot I worked with had the extreme nerve to send out an e-mail saying in his opinion the Jewish people and Israel were responsible for it, since America’s policies with Israel angered Al Qaeda and that caused them to decide to blow up the Word Trade Center (and the Pentagon and possibly another target in Washington). The company had what I thought was a policy that said e-mails of that type were very much not allowed. When I went to management about it, they said they didn’t see anything wrong with that e-mail and took no action against the person who wrote it. I could not work for a company that appeared to condone those kinds of e-mails on company time. So I quit my job without having another job lined up. In fact, I was unemployed for several months and took a lower paying job at one point, once I started to worry about my savings getting too far depleted. It was not the best time to look for a new job as no one was hiring in the aftermath of 9/11. It all worked out in the end as I landed where I am now with a much higher paying job and one I really like where I know every day the system i work on that I’m the lead software engineer on, is having a real effect on the USA’s efforts against terrorism.
But my point is, this is one of the many times you’ve repeatedly made assumptions about me, and stated them in your posts, that you were dead wrong. And it is tiring to keep seeing you make assumptions about me and state them in your posts. And even not knowing my personal case, how you could make the statement that “This person has learned nothing from 9/11” when EVERY American has learned SOMETHING from 9/11 –
is shameful to say the least.
But I grow tired of having to refute your silly personal attacks. After awhile, what’s the point of continuing. But you are correct, it is freedom of speech. But your right to exercise your freedom of speech, could be better spent not making assumptions about posters you disagree with and then posting those things. You have made many many incorrect assumptions about me, that is a fact.
Moon-howler: You are correct. I respectively disagree with you.
Meant to say respectfully. Too early in the morning, just arrived at work and have a busy day.
LPOW,
Basically you’ve been complaining simply because people have been speaking their minds. The fact that many of them disagree with you does not make this blog ‘slanted’. Everyone including the family dog is free to post their opinion here. Nobody is filtering out opinions they don’t like here. Please stop calling this blog unfair.
Mackie: I never said the word “unfair” in any of my posts about this blog. As usual, you put words in my mouth and make assumptions about what I said. I did say “slanted” but I never said unfair.
You said “Please stop calling this blog unfair.” It is you who are being unfair, by continually saying I said things or do things or hold beliefs that are not true.
Please stop putting words in my mouth, and making UNFAIR assumptions about me.
Then again, forget it, you are not worth talking to, and I’m concluding it is pointless to continue posting on this thread, and more probably, on this blog.
I’m sure you will think that means I will keep posting on BVBL, since you continue to make incorrect assumptions about me that I post there.
And i never complained about people “speaking their minds” as you put it, as long as they don’t attack other posters and label them with inaccurate assumptions, which is your favorite hobby.
Anyway, it is not worth further continuing this dialog. What have we learned from it? Nothing. Other than you like to believe you can post inaccurate things about a person, and fit them in your neat little picture of BVBL posters, Greg sympathizers, etc.
Not worth bothering to continue this pointless debate, which does nothing to look for any common ground or solutions. I’m done posting in this thread. Maybe I’m done with this entire blog. I’m sure that will make you happy. I know you’ve been having this silly contest of yours as to who dominates the thread, or says certain words the most times. Guess what, you won! Congratulations! Go salute your victory, and be happy.
Elena,
I’ll make this my last post on this thread and possibly the blog. You asked regarding New Orleans: “Did you travel to New Orleans to help clean up?” I get your point about people deserving respect who traveled to New Orleans to help clean up, and that some of them may have been indeed illegal immigrants.
But to more directly answer your question “Did you travel to New Orleans to help clean up?” No, but I played a vital role in getting communications up and running there as of the day before Labor Day of the weekend immediately following the disaster.
Here’s the story:
The system I’ve been working on was in a prototype stage back then. The hurricane hit, and our customer asked us if we could somehow get the prototype down there, which can run on a diesel generator, and provide a communications link to assets on the ground who needed critical information from planes flying overhead doing infrared scans looking for people trapped in wreckage ( the usual link had no power or emergency power available due to its location in New Orleans).
Me and 2 other people got down to Norfolk that Friday evening (of Labor Day weekend), where the prototype was being assembled at the factory, cobbled together enough of it (I spent overnight quickly loading on all the software on all 17 computer servers taht make up this system – not all of it was all there and configured but enough to make the system “work” to some degree).
I and one other person who was assigned to this from the military, took turns driving the Humvee to New Orleans nearly non-stop. We left Saturday afternoon and arrived at the New Orleans airport Tuesday afternoon. The two other folks from my company rented an RV and stocked it with supplies (food and water) and followed us down.
I was able to get the system up and running late Sunday evening and we immediately started relaying real time infrared scans from surveilance planes flying overhead.
We stayed in New Orleans for a month, and I have many pictures I took personally of the damage and destruction.
A few months later, my colleagues and I were given a plaque by our customer, saying that our actions were directly responsible for saving 57 lives.
That is the role I played in New Orleans.
So I did my part.
This is my last post. I think I more than made my point.
But Mackie and others have repeatedly made assumptions about me that are not true, and fine, I’ll leave it to them to continue this pointless debate.
I’m really done here. There’s no point in continuing. Mackie thinks I’ll go back to BVBL and continue posting there. Mackie speaks from ignorance. I’ve never posted on BVBL. If Mackie posts on there as much as Mackie says, Mackie should know that.
This could have been a constructive discussion. Mackie reduced it to a bunch of meaningless personal attacks.
It is no longer worth my time or energy to post here. I don’t even know if I’ll keep reading this blog. AND, I haven’t actually peeked over at BVBL for 4 or 5 days. I may not keep reading that one either.
I’ve concluded that neither blog is looking for any common ground, and both are just a bunch of shouting matches to see who can shout the loudest, and make silly personal attacks against people they don’t agree with.
I know Moon-howler will disagree with what I just wrote in the paragraph above, and I do get Moon-howler’s point and Moon-howler is very right in some respects. But unfortunately, while there are some moderates on this board I can converse with, they are drowned out by the pointless silly personal attacks, and discussions that quickly degrade to that sort of thing. Too bad. I’m sure they will be the inevitable replies to this with more of the same as before, but you know what, I don’t care anymore. I’m not even sure I’ll look back to see those inevitable replies, but I might. But really, I think it is not worth my time or effort to keep defending myself.
LPOW:
LPOW,
If you don’t like what I say, just ignore it. I ignore others all the time. For example, AWCheney is constantly harassing and provoking me. But I choose to ignore the provocations. And I would never tell her what to say. She’s free to speak her mind.
Hey guys, I found out how we got ourselves into such a mess:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xS2WZk_Ku_0
Mackie,
Thank you for posting this video. That pretty much somes it up.
We must remember he is still our President, and does deserve respect of the office he holds. I did NOT vote for that joker either time.
I do apologize if my comments were over the top the other day to you. Ido feel that respectful exchanges are far more likely to be here than elsewhere.
That video was not real, Mackie. It was a compilation of “um” moments.
FYI – the President signs bills and Congress writes them. Congress is responsible for the mess we are in today, not the President…
Everything he says seems to be riddled with “ums”. Compilation or not, it’s still kind of funny.
Loudoun:
I don’t believe that any branch of the government is that independent. I am not quite willing to exonerate the President from any of the mess we were in today.
If the Congress creates the bills, the President signs them into law, how is he getting off the hook? His first veto was like 2006 over stem cell research.
Leaving Point, I just wanted to say thank you for your thoughtful posts and taking time to respond to me directly. For those who are curious, my recollection is that Leaving Point and I began our discussion on the wrong foot, when I lumped him in with several others who had posted some outrageous things here. When he took exception, I apologized, and a reasonable dialog ensued. At the end of the day, it seems to me that Leaving Point is upset at his neighbors, his neighbors happen to be Hispanic, but he knows that it is wrong to channel that anger to any Hispanics other than his neighbors. That, I feel, distinguishes him from most of the lobbyists from outside Prince William County who created this polluted social environment in order to pass their pre-packaged anti-immigrant legislation. And, it separates him from many of our fellow PWC residents who were seduced by the rhetoric into supporting the resolution, contributing to the writing of the resolution, and voting for the politicians who ran on the resolution.
If there is anyone who is disappointed that Leaving Point is an example of a reasonable person, my argument would be that you should be encouraged instead. Leaving Point has said he is glad that the Probable Cause portion of the Immigration Resolution was nixed on April 29. And, he acknowledges that the unforeseen consequence of the Immigration Resolution as originally written and demagogued have been quite negative for the county. Whatever altercations he’s had with his neighbors, he is dead right on both scores.
If Leaving Point is an example of a middle of the road American, I have no doubt that the tragedy that unfolded in Prince William County will not infect the nation as a whole.
WHWN: Actually, you did indeed sum up perfectly the history of our interaction. And I appreciate your comments in the post above, as it does accurately reflect my point of view. As you know, I was not really aware of the finer points of the resolution, or even much of the resolution until February this year when my house was broken into. I won’t repeat that long story as I’ve posted about it many times.
You did educate me on the history of the resolution – and who the primary author was, when I said I did not know that or know who Duecaster was.
I also as you say, have indeed agreed that the probable cause piece, which was revoked around the time I got on this blog, was indeed a very bad idea and nothing good would come out of that. For me personally, I am happy with the resolution as it now stands, although I know a lot of other people on this blog are not. But I think it is a good thing that ALL people arrested and entering the jail system have their immigration status checked. What happens after that is debatable, but at least we know the immigration status of our jail population, even if in the end those “without documentation” get released without further action, due to a bunch of variables such as ICE not having enough resources, their crime being considered not bad enough to warrant deportation proceedings, etc. etc.
Of course, I came into this whole debate quite late, LONG after the original resolution was written and passed. I don’t know at the time that I wouldn’t have initially supported the probable cause piece, but at the time I came into the debate – it was in the process of being revoked, and I did indeed see that was a good thing. Again, I cannot honestly say whether I would have initially supported the probable cause piece at the time the resolution was written and passed, since i cannot turn back time and think how I would have reacted then had I been following the resolution closely at that time. And of course, I can’t say that if I had been a PWC resident, I wouldn’t have happily voted for those who enacted the resolution, when I take it they were up for re-election last November. Although, I do acknowledge it appeared to be a knee jerk reaction, and was poorly thought out. Being a City of Manassas resident at present, I am one layer removed from the PWC news, as I would often tune out things I heard about PWC gov’t affairs since for the most part, they didn’t really affect me. Of course, there’s no denying the resolution has an affect on anyone living in City of Manassas, since you must pass through PWC to get to it.
Anyway, this is a long way of saying I appreciate your post above, as it sums up my feelings quite well in a way I couldn’t really do in my many many posts on this board. And I would hope I am more typical of the middle of the road American as you say. I think Greg and many posters on his blog represent what I’ve called the extremists on the one side of the debate – and I think I have said before I don’t consider myself that far on that side of the debate, but using your term – more middle of the road.
Its heartening to know that there are people like LPOW out there who are looking for a reasonable and just solution. It is a good impulse to care about upholding the law in our society.
What worries me is that this noble impulse can be manipulated for causes that have very little to do with justice. I believe our current immigration policy is simply out of touch with reality on the ground. We have immigration into our country for one reason: jobs. It is the unconquerable law of supply and demand. When we resist it, we only damage our own economy.
Now some of the immigrants don’t have legal status. That is because our immigration system sucks. We could easily have an immigration system that gives visas for low skilled workers who want to come here. We choose not to. And in choosing not to, we are standing directly in the path of the Law of Supply and Demand. It’s like standing in the middle of a strong river. The problem is us, not the immigrants. Immigrants are following free market forces. So of course people are going to come without status if the demand for labor is high. The free market is regulating immigration levels for us.
However, organizations like FAIR and IRLI hijack the noble impulse people have to obey the law. They hijack this impulse for a specific reason. They are looking at the future demographics of our country. They know that their children or grandchildren will grow up in an America where white people are the minority. They are desperate to stop that from happening.
They appeal to the rule of law but immigration law is just a tool. The goal is to keep white people a perpetual majority of the nation. It is quite simply white supremacy mentality. Just listen to the following two clips of Michael Hethmon of the IRLI. He does well in sounding so humane and polished:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dMgvDwwYo1E
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPzstO-xWR8&feature=related
Now here is a clip of the real mentality these people have:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nqUHLtad9io
Two observations:
1) This thread was titled “economic party”. It’s funny how off topic one gets on a thread.
2) Where is K.G.?
Great summation Mackie, thank you.
How come there wasn’t a video of the last party? Will there be one for this one? Just curious.
Elena, “the problem isn’t the immigrants, its us”? That statement has your “great summation” endorsement? No middle gound available here is there? I don’t consider myself the problem. If we had sealed borders we could make temporary visas for jobs easy to issue and control. That way we could regulate immigration as the market dictates and make the process safe and humane for those participating.
I consider myself a citizen of this Country who is trying to watch the nation deal with a runaway problem of illegal immigration in a way that works, which does not mean 100% amnesty or complete deportation.
But to say WE are the problem instead of the illegal immigrants is the epitome of what my family use to call Catholic guilt. We Americans are not the problem and any solution that uses that idea as a base is dead on arrival. I take offense that “We are the problem”. Where is the middle ground for solution in that statement and endorsement?
Lucky Duck,
I believe in a sane immigration policy that takes into account the labor force we need. I don’t know why it is not clear to so many people, who are outraged at the number of illegal immigrants, when I consider the housing boom, however brief, that new home sales saved us from an impending recession and pushed us toward a recovery(a false recovery as we now have to endure the mortgage crisis). It wasn’t only an economic recovery that we needed, but a psychological recovery from the aftermath of 9-11. We needed to be the strong economic force that we prided ourselves on as Americans. We needed these laborers to support that recovery, now we seem to say “you have served your purpose, now go home from whence you came, we are done with you”.
But where I believe Mackie is actually dead on, is his analysis of FAIR “highjacking” the legitimate concern of citizens regarding a comprehensive immigration policy.
from Mackie’s post:
“What worries me is that this noble impulse can be manipulated for causes that have very little to do with justice. I believe our current immigration policy is simply out of touch with reality on the ground. We have immigration into our country for one reason: jobs. It is the unconquerable law of supply and demand. When we resist it, we only damage our own economy.
Now some of the immigrants don’t have legal status. That is because our immigration system sucks. We could easily have an immigration system that gives visas for low skilled workers who want to come here. We choose not to. And in choosing not to, we are standing directly in the path of the Law of Supply and Demand. It’s like standing in the middle of a strong river. The problem is us, not the immigrants. Immigrants are following free market forces. So of course people are going to come without status if the demand for labor is high. The free market is regulating immigration levels for us.
However, organizations like FAIR and IRLI hijack the noble impulse people have to obey the law. They hijack this impulse for a specific reason. They are looking at the future demographics of our country. They know that their children or grandchildren will grow up in an America where white people are the minority. They are desperate to stop that from happening.
They appeal to the rule of law but immigration law is just a tool. The goal is to keep white people a perpetual majority of the nation. It is quite simply white supremacy mentality. Just listen to the following two clips of Michael Hethmon of the IRLI. He does well in sounding so humane and polished:”
I know we have a broken immigration system, I am not necessarily advocating that I know the way to fix it, but I will never be silent on ensuring that our humanity and morality stay intact when we discuss immigration.
You didn’t address how you can support the statement that “the problem is not the immigrants, its us”. I am not FAIR or IRLI, YOU are not FAIR or IRLI, so how is it that the blame for this situation is US? I agree that both of those organizations are out for their own agendas, but if you and I don’t support them, how are WE to blame for the illegal immigration crisis?
I don’t hire illegal aliens (I assume you don’t either) to entice more people here, I don’t treat anyone of illegal or undocumented status that I meet (via work usually) with any ill will as I assume you do not. So how can you subscribe to the thesis that “the problem is not the immigrants, its us” with any seriousness?
That statement is false, flat out false. The vast majority of the American people do not support FAIR or IRLI.
Lucky Duck, when we built our home(six years ago), the outstanding brick layer we hired, may have been here undocumented. Looking back now, on some of our conversations, he said a few things that now, may have been relevant to his status, and some of his children’s status. It has been awhile, but I remember him sharing that he was faced with real challenges, paying for his daughter’s college because she wouldn’t qualify for financial aid because she wasn’t a resident. I assumed then he meant of Virginia, but looking back, I think what he meant was of this country. He was a truly wonderful guy, fair businessman, and was very dependable. He wasn’t the cheapest and he wasn’t the most expensive either, he was fair.
The way I interpereted Mackie’s statement was my example I gave you regarding the housing boom in PWC. Many people were more than happy to reap the benefits of the “overinflated” real estate market, by either selling their homes for far and above what they had paid for them or taking out home equity loans to improve the houses they were currently living in. How were we able to reach such a frenzy of home building to support such a “crazy” market? Well we needed the labor to do it. Just that simple. I don’t think it was evil that as a labor market, as a nation, we(the collective we) were complicit in this need, it was the reality on the ground. I hope that explains my thoughts on this issue. I could be way off, but I really don’t see it that way Lucky Duck.
I don’t think we have to think in terms of everything as good or evil, right or wrong, sometimes life is what life is and we have to figure out the best way to solve our issues without reducing them to me vs you or I am right and you are wrong. I also believe that inadvertantly, many people are “supporting” FAIR and IRLI, because they aren’t willing to look at the complicated nature of immigration, they want an easy answer, “illegal is illegal”, but that doesn’t create the dialogue we need for comprehensive solutions. Language like “invaders”, “parasites”, “third world culture”, “diseased” have somehow become acceptable terms to too many people. Obviously you will never be one of those people, I enjoy our discussions, you are fair minded and can disagree with out being disagreeable. I strive to be the same way, although I am sure I have failed a time or two 🙂
Hi Elena, thank you. You too, have always been pleasant to discuss/debate with.
May I ask you a question? If you don’t feel like answering, thats fine.
Do you deal directly or have contact with undocumented people in Prince William? I was wondering as such an interaction or fact can influence our perspectives on the subject in a myriad of ways.
Hi Lucky Duck,
You are welcome. Is this question a set up? 🙂
I am sure that I have contact with undocumented workers, but since I don’t ask people what their residency status is, I would not know for sure. I feel for people, who are here, working hard, striving to have a better life, undocumented, legal, illegal, and citizen alike. I truly do have empathy for people like Rick and LPOW. I feel their frustration and anger at their changing neighborhoods. These are their HOMES they are living in, not just a house made out of wood and brick. Their dreams are wrapped up in this environment they call home, and I truly can understand that feeling. I have said this before, my neighborhood changed drastically in five years, the issues were somewhat different, but the change was palpable. But I keep coming back to this basic belief I have, do unto thy neighbor, what you would have done unto you. People are people, some people are awesome, some are just alright, some are kinda bad, and some are really bad, but that isn’t based on a label like legal or illegal, it’s just based on the individual. These struggling neighborhoods deserved more than the nuclear option to deal with their problems. For many, it appears as though the resolution has changed nothing, and here they are, still left to their anger and resentment of the “illegals”, whether their hispanic neighbors are illegal or not, it doesn’t seem to matter.
Nope Elena, not a set up. I promise. Is there a method to contact Admin on this blog? Perhaps an e-mail? Thanks.
Hey Lucky,
I have quite a few family members who are illegal aliens. What do you want to know about ’em?
I know she has an “anti” e-mail address, but I don’t know what it is. I left her a message at home that you wanted to contact her, so I am sure when she sees your request she will respond promptly.
Hi Lucky Duck,
Here is the e-mail for admin:
[email protected]
Elena – your comment “But I keep coming back to this basic belief I have, do unto thy neighbor, what you would have done unto you.” That is nice in theory. But then how does that apply to the people who trash up the neighborhood, blast music all hours of the day and night, and break into my house. Maybe I’m unlucky and have a bunch of rotten apples in this neighborhood, I suppose that could be the case.
And again, I know I’m repeating myself for what seems like the hundredth time, I never advocated getting rid of all Hispanics. I also never advocated rounding up every illegal – I thought I made that clear when I said I was glad the probable cause portion of the resolution was dropped.
And then you said “Language like “invaders”, “parasites”, “third world culture”, “diseased” have somehow become acceptable terms to too many people.”
And I say language such as nazi, Holocaust, ethnic cleansing, has become misused and acceptable in its misused form in many posts on this blog. Although actually I have not seen any posters on this blog on what I’ll call the “pro-resolution” side, for lack of a better term (and again I hate this idea of lumping people into one of two sides) – EVER use any of the terms you listed above. The only time I’ve seen those terms listed is by people complaining about the usage of those terms, apparently outside of this blog. Maybe you are referring to posts on the other blog, but again I’ve not seen any poster on this blog use those terms the way you are describing. And I still say the use of terms like nazi, Holocaust, and ethnic cleansing does nothing but attempt to instill fear in people, the same way as the use of the terms you mention appear to do. Perhaps both sides should back down from the use of those terms, although the “one side” as best as I can tell has never ever used that terminology on this blog.
And I should add: But I do advocate deporting illegals who break the law. That is what I feel the resolution as it stands now does. And one can argue if that would have happened without the resolution with whatever program was in place in the jail system pre-resolution. In my opinion, had I lived in PWC and not Manassas – the person who was caught breaking into my house would now be in jail and hopefully once any prison term served on his way out of here. Instead, partly due to the ineptness of the Manassas city police, but also do to the fact he had no identification or anything, there is no way of even tracking him and his housemates of course are complicit in protecting the whereabouts of this person. If he wasn’t illegal, he would have had some kind of identification on him, and there would be some way to track his whereabouts.
That is why I think the resolution in its current form is a good thing. And I don’t see how it leads to ethnic cleansing, the Holocaust, or any other of a number of wrongly used terms in many of the posts on this blog.