As I read this story, I wondered, why haven’t they mentioned that F.A.I.R is considered a hate group. Is Plainfield the next “rat” experiment for F.A.I.R, having accomplished what it wanted to do in PWC ? Will I.R.L.I just continue trying until they see what they can get to “stick” legally and rid of us this unwanted menace from our southern border? With Mike Hethmon, playing his favorite role as the “mad scientist”, I cringe when I envision what unsuspecting county is next on F.A.I.R ‘s hit list.

 

PLAINFIELD, N.J. (AP) – A federal lawsuit using a novel method to challenge a landlord’s right to rent to illegal immigrants is stoking tensions that have been rising for years in this diverse city of 50,000 south of Newark.

A prominent group that opposes illegal immigration sued a Plainfield property management company this month, seeking to set a legal precedent by using anti-racketeering legislation to crack down on landlords who rent to illegal immigrants.

The suit was brought by the Immigration Reform Law Institute _ the legal arm of the Federation for American Immigration Reform _ against Connolly Properties on behalf of a former Connolly employee and two tenants who are U.S. citizens.

The tenants allege they were steered into buildings occupied by illegal immigrants who were too afraid about their legal status to complain about decrepit conditions, according to Mike Hethmon, a lawyer for the group that filed the suit.

Flor Gonzalez, head of the Plainfield-based Latin American Coalition, worries that her city may become the latest battleground in the nationwide debate over immigration. The suit comes as tensions over the city’s large immigrant population are rising to a boil, she said, with police ticketing day laborers, a recent spate of beatings and robberies against immigrants, and raids by federal immigration officials.

“This is the worst it’s been. There is a lot of unfriendliness and disrespect against immigrants, and a lot has been happening quietly,” Gonzalez said. “We need big help in this town.”

The Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act _ or RICO _ prosecutes organized crime and immigration-related offenses, including human trafficking and harboring and smuggling illegal immigrants into the U.S.

Hethmon said his group decided to take on the case as part of its strategy of “attrition through enforcement,” or urging illegal immigrants to leave the country by making it more difficult for them to find employment and housing in the U.S.

 

http://www.wtopnews.com/?nid=104&sid=1426375

91 Thoughts to “F.A.I.R and its legal strong arm, I.R.L.I , file lawsuit in N.J.”

  1. Elvis

    interesting how you list fair as a hate group because the SPLC says so. SPLC is one of the worst organizations ever, you ever think to look at how much money they take in? look at their stats online and you’ll see the function they were orginally formed under is no longer in existence. now that the KKK is gone and dead for the most part they need something new to look for. not saying I support fair as I do not, however the SPLC is worse and the owners of this blog should be ashamed of themselves for lying to the public over their views. you definitely made your point as a counter-blog, you’ve swung so far to the left it’s outrageous and probably lost more than a few posters to boot.

  2. Elena

    Elvis,
    I would appreciate it if you would back up your statements:

    “SPLC is one of the worst organizations ever”

    “now that the KKK is gone and dead for the most part they need something new to look for”

    “not saying I support fair as I do not, however the SPLC is worse”

    Really, the Southern Poverty Law Center is one of the worst organizations ever? Why?

    The KKK is absolutely not “gone and dead” in fact, their membership is rising, and with Obama running for President, apparently their website hits and membership base is growing http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/06/21/AR2008062101471.html?hpid=topnews.

  3. SPLC is a public interest law firm that in my opinion is anti-freedom and anti-liberty. They want more government regulation and interference in our lives.

    Save Manassas hasn’t interfered in anyone’s life except those who would interfere with the American way of life and the American Rule of Law.

  4. Marie

    Elvis,
    The KKK and the American Nazi Party are alive and well, recruiting members, holding meetings. Look at their websites if you do not believe so. These are the groups Americans should really be worried about and fear, not immigrants either legal or illegal.

    http://www.kkk.bz
    http://www.americannaziparty.com/index.php

  5. Marie

    Elivs,

    Groups such as Mothers Against Illegal Aliens, the Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR), Americans for Legal Immigration Political Action Committee (ALIPAC), Grass Fire, The Dustin Inman Society, the KKK, the American Nazi Party to name a few and many other groups like them are HATE groups.

    Reasonable people can disagree about border control and the appropriate parameters for immigration reform, the debate has been polluted by the virulent anti-immigrant message employed by several hate groups and media commentators like Lou Dobbs, Bill O’Reilly. The real victims in this are Hispanic-Americans and other immigrants who are being unfairly targeted and demeaned. These are the tactics that anti-immigrant groups use. All of which are FALSE. HSM or at least some of its members here in PW Co have used the same terms. They all use these terms and spout these untruths to get the masses riled up.

    –Describing immigrants as “third world invaders,” who come to America to destroy our heritage, “colonize” the country and attack our “way of life.” This charge is used against Hispanics, Asians and other people of color.
    –Using terminology that describes immigrants as part of “hordes” that “swarm” over the border. This dehumanizing language has become common.
    –Portraying immigrants as carriers of diseases like leprosy, tuberculosis, Chagas disease (a potentially fatal parasitic disease), dengue fever, polio, malaria.
    –Depicting immigrants as criminals, murderers, rapists, terrorists, and a danger to children and families.
    –Propagating conspiracy theories about an alleged secret “reconquista” plot by Mexican immigrants to create a “greater Mexico” by seizing seven states in the American Southwest that once belonged to Mexico.

  6. Elena

    Thank you for your very informative post Marie, I hope it brings in some perspective for people.

  7. El Guapo

    This discussion here gets at the bottom of the issue. It’s just another “us vs. them” issue.

    “FAIR is a hate group”
    “No. SPLC is bad”
    “FAIR is a hate group”
    “SPLC is worse”
    “You have a big nose”
    “Yours is bigger”

    Somebody takes a shot at FAIR so someone else in return takes a shot at SPLC. Meanwhile the pleas of Flor Gonzalez, head of the Plainfield-based Latin American Coalition, go ignored. “We need big help in this town.”

  8. Elena

    I agree El Guapo, you are right. Let’s stick to the acutal story, which is another town, caught in the crosshairs of the illegal immigration debate.

  9. Elena

    Welcome theoath,
    Could you please share your evidence that supports your commentary on SPLC. I was wondering if you watched the video with Mike Hethmon I attached to this thread.

    The discussion is actually not about SPLC, it is about FAIR and its undue influence in so many communities to test out different “experiments” on unsuspecting communities.

  10. Elena

    El Guapo,
    Actually, one point I diverge with you on, is it does matter that FAIR is a part of this story. They seem to have their tentacles everywhere, not because they care about these communities, but because they are testing out different legal strategies. Their presence makes already tense environments much worse. SPLC does not even remotely behave in the same manner.

  11. Censored bybvbl

    I think every time a town or state enacts a law, regulation, resolution such as this this, it makes it all the more imperative for the federal government to enact immigration reform. We can’t tolerate a hodge-podge of immigration law in this country. It’s a federal issue. A person should be able to expect to travel between locaties/states with an understanding that immigration law is uniformly enforced/understood. Interstate truckers expect uniformity as they ply their trade across states (with a few state laws being exceptions). Interstate travelers should expect the same degree of conformity to federal law. As I mentioned before, the advocators of these community/state immigration laws won’t like the result once the feds get involved.

    Does anyone know if there are any privacy laws at play when it comes to renting property?

  12. Censored bybvbl

    locaties=localities

  13. Elena

    Great point Censored, ultimately immigration must be resolved at the federal level. That is a great question regarding privacy and the law in relation to renting.

  14. El Guapo

    I agree that what FAIR is doing is wrong and damaging to the community it is assaulting as well as to the nation. It doesn’t matter whether FAIR is a hate group of just a group of misguided idiots.

  15. Moon-howler

    Elvis,

    Good morning. Did you get up on the wrong side of the bed this morning?

    If the SPLC doesn’t suit you, how about the ADL? They seem to have a pretty good reputation.

    To say that FAIR is better than SPLC is like saying apples are better than oranges. FAIR exists to set policy and SPLC exists as a watch dog group.

    Why is it that any time there is some community trying to enact immigration ordiances or ordiances about legal status, if one digs deep enough, there is FAIR? They seem to be ubiquitous in these situations.

    As for SPLC, I don’t have much of an opinion of them one way or the other but I sure wouldn’t want to be on any of their lists for being a hate group or a nativist. Too many people consider them a critical watch dog group to dismiss them. Being on their lists can ruin the reputation and cause irreparable damage to once’s chances of moving ahead politically.

  16. The BEC (Bloodless Ethnic Cleansing) continues to spread…

    It’s crazy how we’re starting to hear stories about how Latinos are now persona non grata in many places in the country. If you’re Latino and you go to Oklahoma, Georgia, etc. you might run into people who want to do you harm and police who want to harass you simply for being Latino.

    And people keep saying it isn’t BEC (Bloodless Ethnic Cleansing). What else is it? Wake up. IRLI and FAIR are using the law as a tool.

    This is how Mike Hethmon presents his ideas, with polish:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dMgvDwwYo1E

    Now here is the same speech without the polish:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nqUHLtad9io

  17. Honchocho

    Fair’s hit list? The ever informative SPLC! What a bunch of drivel. The reality is folks that some people if they can’t win an argument based on facts and truth, they switch to name calling, smear tactics and distortion. By most accounts well over 60% of Americans polled want to see illegal immigration stopped, enforcement of laws and security on the border first before anyone talks about an amnesty. There is nothing racist or hate filled about it. America accepts more legal immigrants then the rest of the world combined. Just because our Latino neighbors to the south think it is OK to violate our laws, doesn’t make illegal immigration a race issue. If we had as many white anglo Canadians violating our immigration laws, the anger and angst would be directed towards them. Almost 70% of all illegal immigration comes from the countries south of the border. That includes not just people who sneak across the border, but those who overstay their visas.

    Most Americans don’t care where you come from, how hard you work, what color you are or whether you snuck across the border, arrived in a container or overstayed your visa. If you are here illegally, are using fraudulent documents to stay and work, you should be repatrioted. This country has a front door and those that want entrance should respect it!

    If anything is racist, it is the views held by the SPLC, Maldef, MEChA and of course La Raza (the race). They believe that because some illegal aliens are of a certain ethnicity and already here they should be excused and given special privileges ahead of the legal immigrants who followed the rules. Not only is that racist, but un-American!

    We all know how the following would be attacked. White American Defense League, Movement for White American Studies (Everything for the race. Everything outside the race, nothing) and The Race (whites only need apply)! Yet the SPLC aligns itself with the Mexican and Hispanic versions of the above.

    The fact is the US can’t take in all those who across the planet want to come here. There are not enough resources, period. Those who call themselves liberals and progressives have put aside their environmental heritage and common sense, for political correctness. The US has over 300 million people and expected to add another 100 million by 2050. California has 36 million people and is expected to double in the same time span. That is with current increases. All of California’s population increase and most of the country’s is driven by immigration – Immigrants and their children. California is in a drought, facing massive budget deficits, cannot provide enough schools. The state infrastructure was designed for a population half it’s current size and the state’s social services are stretched beyond belief. We as a country need to start asking the question: How many people should the US have? Do we want the entire country to go the way California has? Do we want to live in a country as populated as India or China and the resulting problems?
    We the citizens of this country should be the ones answering this question. Not the cheap labor globalists, not the ethnic special interest groups or the politicians that work for them.

    i would urge all to see the video immigration gumballs. Do a search, You Tube and Google have it.

  18. Censored bybvbl

    This link is you, Elvis, since you labor under the illusion that the KKK is a thing of the past:

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/06/21/AR2008062101471.html?hpid=topnews&sid=ST2008062200049

  19. Emma

    Maybe it would help the debate if someone can provide some solid facts about SPLC. Not just that they have branded everyone’s favorite enemy a “nativist,” but their policy initiatives, legislation they have influenced, etc., etc. I’m not interested in a link to their website, I want to hear from the SPLC’s supporters HERE why they think the SPLC is so great and so credible, and not just because the SPLC openly attacks Greg L.

  20. Elena

    Emma,
    I have posted, more than once, the history of the SPLC in working towards tolerance of minorities and defending those who would otherwide go unrepresented. I suggest that you make your own decision on their credibility. Here is their website, http://www.splcenter.org/, start there as a beginning point. They are recognized internationally for their mission to teach tolerance and for keeping track of hate groups. I wonder, do you also believe the Anti Defamation League is lacking in credibility? You may want to visit their website also, http://www.adl.org

  21. Elena

    I wonder if anyone is actually going to comment on FAIR’s influence on pubic policy or will you choose to instead focus on SPLC?

  22. Elena

    Welcome to the discussion honchocho.

    Where shall I begin? So, for you this is not an illegal immigration issue, but a population growth issue, which, by the way, is a seperate discussion. As far as operation “dumb balls” or shall I say gumballs, they also focus on immigration, NOT illegal immigration. You may be visiting the wrong blog.

    I agree, when someone cannot support their argument with facts, they are reduced to name calling, here are some examples :

    ” third world invaders”, “parasites”, “lazy”, “stupid”, “diseased ridden”, “criminal by nature”, having “breeding seasons” like an animal.

    I believe we need immigration reform, as most do on this blog, not blanket amnesty, but a reasonable humane solution that takes into account our need for their labor force.

  23. Emma

    Elena, were you aware of SPLC prior to their labeling of Greg L. as a “nativist?”

  24. Elena

    Yes Emma,
    I have known about SPLC and ADL for many years.

  25. Emma

    Just curious, thanks.

  26. Elena

    You are welcome

  27. Moon-howler

    Emma, I have been aware of SPLC for about 20 years. I am not saying they are perfect by a long shot but many people here and abroad find them to be a reliable organization with a good reputation.

  28. Honchocho:

    i would urge all to see the video immigration gumballs.

    This video is nothing more than fear mongering and lies. Roy Beck is a white supremacist in a suit. Take a look at all his videos on Youtube. His message is basically ‘Look at all the levels of immigration!!!’

    If you look closely in his gumballs you’ll notice he never explains why immigration is inherently bad. I would love to ask him this question.

  29. IllegalisILLEGAL

    I find nothing wrong for a law firm, who knows immigration law helping out this town. Why is it okay for PRLDEF, MALDELF, ACLU and others to sue city’s and county’s, but when a group represents the “other” side its so wrong. What is so wrong with a law group who specilizes in immigration law helping out someone who is not that knowledgable? Maybe because the pro illegal immigration people might lose.

  30. Leaving Point of Woods

    Honchohoncho said: “The reality is folks that some people if they can’t win an argument based on facts and truth, they switch to name calling, smear tactics and distortion.”

    Elena replied: “I agree, when someone cannot support their argument with facts, they are reduced to name calling, here are some examples :

    ” third world invaders”, “parasites”, “lazy”, “stupid”, “diseased ridden”, “criminal by nature”, having “breeding seasons” like an animal. ”

    And I would submit that many regular posters on this blog have stooped to using terms such as nazis, KKK, ethnic cleansing, Holocaust, etc.

    It seems the distortion is on both sides. Although again, I haven’t seen any actual posts from those who support the resolution, using the terms Elena mentioned above on this blog. Probably she is referring to posts on the other blog.

  31. Leaving Point of Woods

    Meant to say Honchocho – sorry I got the name wrong in my post above.

  32. IllegalisILLEGAL:

    What is so wrong with a law group who specilizes in immigration law helping out someone who is not that knowledgable? Maybe because the pro illegal immigration people might lose.

    The problem is that this law group, IRLI, is turning our country into a police state in the name of driving out harmless working class people. Is that what you want, a police state?

  33. Rick Bentley

    Employing and renting to illegal immigrants is, by definition, organized crime. And I appluad this. Tell me where to send money to F.A.I.R. to help them, and I will.

  34. TH

    Regardless of what we think about FAIR, they are working the courts. I think groups supporting immigration should use the courts too. It was the way that segregation was fought (I am not putting the two issues at the same level).
    Rick,
    Send money to Stewart. It is just the same thing and you are helping your local government.

  35. Rick Bentley:

    Employing and renting to illegal immigrants is, by definition, organized crime. And I appluad this. Tell me where to send money to F.A.I.R. to help them, and I will.

    I’m collecting the donations for FAIR. Please post your email so I can send you the instructions on how to make a donation. 😉

  36. Elena

    LPOW,
    I find myself wondering why I have not been able to communicate my points to you. Maybe bullet format would be better, let me try:

    A) No one on this blog has posted that illegal immigrants are parasites etc, we are referring to the comfort level on Greg’s blog that allows such hate to spew.

    B)Posters have expressed concerns regarding the scapegoating of one specific group, and how in past history, that has proven deadly to any civil society, call it the holocaust, call it ethnic cleansing, it doesn’t really matter, the point is that people are concerned regarding the increased rhetoric surrounding latino’s.

    C) Greg has inflamed the tensions in our community, and his involvement with FAIR and IRLI should be disturbing to any PWC citizen. Please watch the video I posted with Mike Hethmon.

    D)People here have empathy for your situation, everyone has expressed that, we just simply may disagree that the original resolution was the correct path to take in order to help specific neighborhoods. I don’t know anyone that is opposed to people who commit serious crimes, having their immigration status checked, and then being deported if the courts deem they have no standing to be in this country.

    E)I asked you about your thoughts regarding Senator Menendez’s speech on the senate floor, the two youtube videos that Alanna and I posted, you have not shared your thoughts and I am wondering, still, how you react to such egregious human rights violations.

  37. TH

    I think we should stop comparing ourselves with the other blog. We have valid points and when we avoid namecalling we have great debates. I see a trend with people who come just to find a word or a detail to let us know that we are not better than BVBL.
    I think we shouldn’t aim to be better but a space to have conversations. There will always be unique and extrem points of view but as long a we respect eacj other we will be OK.

  38. Elena

    I agree, mostly, with you TH, but I think that for some who don’t understand why anti was even started, we need to create the “historical context” for its genesis.

    I couldn’t agree more regarding the level and depth of debate here on anti, and I think that we are more credible when we concentrate on debating the issues at hand. New ideas should not be shunned, but debated with fervor, that is the sign of a healthy democracy!

  39. EG

    A lot confirmed in this video.

  40. AWCheney

    I just posted a comment, but it’s not showing up. I assume it’s because it’s being moderated because it has two links in it. I intend posting another comment with at least a couple of links in it. This is just a FYI to Admin.

  41. AWCheney

    “Propagating conspiracy theories about an alleged secret “reconquista” plot by Mexican immigrants to create a “greater Mexico” by seizing seven states in the American Southwest that once belonged to Mexico.”

    Marie,
    If you want to see where some of these concerns are coming from, follow the following links, and don’t forget to follow the additional links at the site(s):

    http://www.utpa.edu/orgs/mecha/nat.html#6

    This is link is an example of one of the scrolling news articles on the link which follows. It’s really just to encourage you to follow more of them, as well as the other links at the site:

    http://www.aztlan.net/brown_berets_de_aztlan.htm
    http://www.aztlan.net/index.html

    After reading this material, which isn’t even the most paranoia inducing material on the subject, you can see how people might become a bit concerned about the motives of the illegal alien lobby, particularly since some of the activists in this area have been linked with these organizations. I understand that there is actually Spanish language only sites which are FAR worse in their threatening nature and in the information they provide.

    After taking a good look at those sites, I believe you can understand from where some of those “conspiracy theories” may have come. I’d be surprised if you didn’t get a little bit paranoid after reading some of that stuff for yourself.

  42. Leaving Point of Woods

    Elena,

    Am I supposed to react to each video and news item posted on this blog? And even so, none of it changes my view that I think the resolution in its current form is good. And if no one is arguing that all illegal immigrants guilty of crimes should be deported, than what are we debating in terms of the current resolution? I already said I was glad the probable cause piece got taken out.

    And, as several posters continually lump me and others in with Greg and HSM (it is happening right now in another thread to another regular poster – Emma – who insists she is not a member of HSM but is being called one) – then it labels us as saying all those mean spirited things in your original post – where we have not said any of them. It is a favorite activity of several of your regular posters to label those they disagree with as being members of HSM, Greg supporters, nazis, Holocaust enablers, etc. etc. etc.

    Every time then those terms are mentioned, it seems to me they are mentioned to stir up fear and misinformation. And when you say those who can’t support their arguments throw out those terms, well I say those on the blog who can’t support their arguments then proceed to label us as HSM members, etc. etc. And they never directly answer my questions either but just sling unfounded accusations and mistruths. So as much as you protest the level of debate on the other blog (as it seems that is what you are saying you do when you admit that none of those terms have ever been used by posters on this blog) – I’m saying that there is a large group of posters on this blog that are just as guilty of slinging about hateful terms.

    I guess we will just have to agree to disagree on this one. But as I said, I see the same thing happening right now on another thread, in which a regular poster who is on the “pro-resolution” side – for lack of a better term – is being labeled as an HSM member, etc. etc. That discussion has once again degenerated to name calling, but again as usual it is one sided, which it always has been when it happens on this blog. No one can refute that – I don’t see any of the other side calling names – not on this blog. On the other blog, yes. But then why are those of us “on the other side” who post on this blog continually inundated with silly posts trying to link us to Greg, to HSM, and to other more hateful things?

    No one has answered that question.

    And again, why should I be forced to respond to every video you put up? They all represent one side of the debate – if you want to be fair and balanced then put up videos representing the other side too.

  43. Leaving Point of Woods

    Then again, I hadn’t looked at that other thread when I posted this early this morning. It seems to have moved past the name calling, so that’s a good sign, I guess. However, it happens far too often on this blog for my comfort, and I find the only mention of hateful terms on this blog is by those who I will call “anti-resolution” for lack of a better term.

    I don’t know why it is necessary to keep mentioning terms like “” third world invaders”, “parasites”, “lazy”, “stupid”, “diseased ridden”, “criminal by nature”, having “breeding seasons” like an animal.” – it shows an unhealthy focus on the “other blog” then, since you admit that no one on this blog has ever used those terms in posts on here, in reference to illegal immigrants.

    I should probably add the disclaimer, that yes, I just used them in my post, but only was repeating a previous post and not using them myself. I know given the logic that prevails with some of the posters here, the fact those terms are in my post someone will say there I go using them, again.

  44. Moon-howler

    LPOW,

    How about instead of describing OUR behavior and threatening to never come back, you offer some suggestions about your city. You have not told us where you are moving. Are you going to the county or are you going to move further away than that?

    What do you think City of Manassas should do to keep other people from running in to the same problems you have run in to? What should the Point of Woods HOA do to clean up the neighborhood or keep it from deteriorating in the first place?

    How does your wife feel about moving away from her friends?

    Just curious.

  45. Censored bybvbl

    LPOW, you’re running the risk of becoming the biggest whiner on this blog. You keep rehashing the same old accusations against posters here…someone mentioned Nazis, someone said “ethnic cleansing”, someone accused you of being a Greg supporter or a member of HSM. And then you go on to say:
    I don’t know why it is necessary to keep mentioning terms like “” third world invaders”, “parasites”, “lazy”, “stupid”, “diseased ridden”, “criminal by nature”, having “breeding seasons” like an animal.”

    Do you not see the hilarity in your statement? You post almost daily with the same accusations – far more frequently than anyone mentions those words you quoted (above).

    People can sympathize with you for the break-in. I can understand the reluctance on the part of the police to charge someone until you can tell them what has been taken. Maybe they had evidence that the house had been broken into but no evidence that anything was stolen until you filed a report. Thieves who know the police have an interest in them tend to skip town. And they often give false names! It’s not just behavior of immigrants here illegally.

    Someone in another thread made some interesting accusations about you…that you did post on BVBL. If you didn’t read it, I’ll try to search for it when I come back later.

  46. Leaving Point of Woods

    Moon-howler: I wish I had answers as to what the city could do to prevent Point of Woods from further deteriorating. Removal of trash was one thing that was tried and failed, it just replaced itself with even more trash. The constant noise, I don’t know what the police could do. I got tired of calling them time after time and figured they had better stuff to do. The zoning enforcement, unfortunately you can put a large number of people in a townhouse and meet zoning requirements. And with so many coming and going, it isn’t even possible to obtain an exact count.

    As far as my wife’s friends, they already moved out of our neighborhood for the same reasons we are. The last of them moved out 3 months ago to a single family home in Herndon and are now renting.

    For us, I was originally looking for a townhouse closer to work. But for my wife, she didn’t want to move to another townhouse. For the kind of single family house she wanted, in a price range I could afford – it forced us out to Gainesville. So I will be becoming a PWC resident in mid-October or thereabouts. I hope that answres your questions.

    I don’t have good answers for my neighborhood. In my opinion a lot of things have been tried and all have failed. Signs have been put up about not littering in English and Spanish. Newsletters are distributed in both English and Spanish and frequently mention no loud noise in the middle of the night, no trashing up the neighborhood, etc. etc. None of it makes much difference. If I had the magic answers then that would be great. So when you ask me what should be done to prevent these problems, my answer is I just don’t know. I’ve seen much tried in the neighborhood and all things attempted have failed miserably.

    All I know is I’m removing myself from the neighborhood. Where I’m going, I’ve spent a lot of time checking out the neighborhood at all hours of the day and night. And I know this will disappoint some folks on this blog – but yes, there are Hispanic FAMILIES living in the neighborhood. I’ve seen them out and about walking when the weather is nice. They appear to be nice and quiet, and that’s all I ask. I know some would like to believe I went looking for a “Hispanic free” neighborhood – the same ones that like to lump me in with Greg and HSM. I suppose they won’t believe me when I say the above sentence. Whatever, I’m past caring.

  47. Leaving Point of Woods

    And I should also say, the crime – there have been other instances of crime in the neighborhood besides my break-in. And the crime has risen greatly in the past few years. It is no longer a place that me or my wife feel safe.

    Is it all due to Hispanics or even illegal Hispanics. I’m sure not. But in our own personal case it was due to at least one illegal Hispanic, and I’m sure possibly more. And I know the house next to me also has a rape suspect in it, which occurred more recently than our break-in. I do not feel comfortable living next to a house full of possible criminals. They are covering up the whereabouts of the person who was involved in the theft from our house – and I have reason to believe more of the occupants were involved, but the neighbor could not positively id the others as being involved in the theft, given that it was dark and he saw a bunch of people running from the house carrying stuff.

    Anyway, again if I had answers to the problems in my neighborhood, I’d post them. As I don’t, I don’t think that makes me wrong for just deciding to pull out of it, and give up on it. If someone else has answers, then more power to them.

  48. Leaving Point of Woods

    Censored: You can believe those “interesting accusations” about me if you like. And on a daily basis, I see those terms mentioned, so that’s why I complain about them.

    I’m not going to waste the time to refute those “interesting accusations” about me. If you wish to believe them, be my guest.

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    And regarding the City of Manassas police investigation – well maybe since the person didn’t have any kind of valid identification it might have been a good idea to haul him into jail right then and there. The neighbor identified him as running from my house back yard and saw the sliding glass door smashed in. That should be evidence enough. I could infer some other things about the particular officer responding to the break-in and why he didn’t make an arrest, but won’t. I do infer that the housemates are covering up for this person, and in my view of the world, they are as guilty as anyone else in that respect.

    And again, if you want to believe I’m a poster on BVBL, go right ahead. It seems like a lot of people on this blog want to believe that, so you are just one of many. It fits right in with trying to lump me into the world of Greg supporters, BVBL posters, and a bunch more hateful terms I won’t put down here. So you are just making my point for me.

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