Dear Posters,
We could tell, from behind the scenes, that onefortheroad was not who “he” said he was. Our mistake was wanting the “democratic” blog process to run its course and hope, with enough people here ignoring him, he would simply go away. However, it is clear, that there was a set up, so that Greg could use the comments posted by onefortheroad to demonstrate that we are a “hate” group over on Anti. What I have done is posted every comment, beginning with Moon-howler, calling out onefortheroads behavior. Unlike Greg’s blog, where hateful comments mostly go unchallenged, several posters attempted to encourage onefortheroad to go away, or suggest instead we ignore him in hopes HE would go away. This has been a learning experience for the blog, and we will make sure, in the future, that we are more aware of the duplicitous nature of the cyberworld and react accordingly to deal with hateful/aggressive comments when they are directed at a person or a specific group. Onefortheroad was clearly not here to discuss anything, his posts were simply to give an opportunity for Greg to “capture” the comment and use if for his own purpose. For those of us who can see behind the scene in the cyber IP world, it was clear that onefortheroad was questionable. We want to let free speech reign here, but we also want to allow people an opportunity to debate with people who are actually interested in having a “conversation”, not just playing a game that wastes people’s time.
Below are all the comments to onefortheroad, calling him out on his unacceptable comments. I’ll begin with Moon-howler as they told him he was now in moderation due to his comments:
Moon-howler, 24. June 2008, 16:21
OneForTheRoad has been placed in time out until the Blog-Mom is home and can review his posts. I did this with her approval because people felt that threats were being made.
New rule until Mom gets home: Do not threaten anyone. If you don’t like my decision, tattle to her later today.
Meanwhile, perhaps other bloggers might not want to respond to OFTR. Granted he not only enjoys talking with himself, but also arguing with himself, but let’s not give him the time of day.
Mando, 23. June 2008, 15:06
@Alanna and everyone else
OneForTheRoad/Taco Truck Ted is what is know as a forum troll.
Just Cause, 23. June 2008, 15:10
Mando- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll
Like all “pests” if you ignore them long enough, they will go away..trust me, this one too shall pass….
Elena, 23. June 2008, 23:48 Edit This
OnefortheRoad,
It is clear you are not “credible”. Your posts are schizophrenic in nature and you are clearly choosing to single out LPOW for harrassment, he is neither an HSM , KKK or neo-nazi member. Most likely people will choose to disregard your comments, which I believe is the best recourse.
IllegalisILLEGAL, 24. June 2008, 8:49
OneForTheRoad- Do you feel like a “man” now? Threatening people? What’s up with you?
rod2155, 24. June 2008, 9:07
“OneForTheRoad- Do you feel like a “man” now? Threatening people? What’s up with you?”
He’s Trolling, he’s just looking to pick a fight and get attention. He plays to both blogs and switches sides randomly, just ignor him, he gets off on getting people mad.
Elena, 24. June 2008, 10:19
Just in case it isn’t clear to people, please ignore oneforthroad. I think it was Mando that had the intial suggestion, and we should follow that lead.
IllegalisILLEGAL, 24. June 2008, 14:23
OneForTheRoad- You have not answered my questions yet. Why are you threatening people? And, what’s up with you?
Elena, I have been absent lately so not up on what is going on here, but if you are referring to Greg’s thread about “Over the Top”, he continues to top himself in idiotic pieces of writing. There was no intelligent discussion there, except AWC pointing out the idiocy.
Please continue the excellent forum you are providing here. The level of discourse in both places speak for themselves.
Hi Firedancer,
You have been missed. I am glad you poked your head in for a few;)
We just had a little troll uprising.
I agree, AWC saw it for what it was, when I saw the postings. So did IllegalisIllegal. Of course the cross bloggers like Mando, Rick, etc know the source of troll and the behavior exibited here. I don’t believe any of those folks commented. The troll also made an ass of himself on bvbl. Again, someone with too much time on their hands.
Hi MH. Thanks for your message. I’m still overwhelmed at work….
AWCheney is getting into it with them over there. I don’t know why she’s bothering. What a waste of cyberspace and time.
We have missed you Firedancer!
Most people realize that comments posted in blogs do not necessarily reflect the opinions of anyone other than the person who posted the comment. That Greg suggests otherwise tells me that either his elevator doesn’t go all the way to the top or he believes that his blog readers are persons of challenged intellect. Given that he doesn’t know the difference between Bristol, VA in SouthWestern Virginia and Prince William County, I tend to think it’s Greg who is lacking.
But either way, that someone like this is able to influence politicians, even local politicians, is disappointing.
Maybe you’ll think twice before bringing up questionable ‘subjects’ for discussion. Look what happened to Hillary when she referenced what happened to RFK. The act of referencing clearly shows where your mind is even if you state it is only for discussion purposes. Stick to the legal ramifications, because all of this will eventually be decided in a court of law and not the court of human emotion or sympathy.
This is too funny. You folks predictably overreacted to the sarcasm in my posts, then reported those posts to Greg, who also overreacted. It is the same way you overreact to everything. The whole thread about genocide was one big overreaction. And how can I not be who I say I am? That is the most ridiculous thing I ever heard! No one (or most) on this board aren’t who the say they are, unless they are posting under real names.
It was very funny to watch my sarcastic posts cause all of you to spin out of control and overreact. Apparently, you do not get sarcasm!
And I am not in collusion with Greg, as much as you would like to think that. One of your other posters who overreacted must have tipped off Greg to what was happening over here. Not me. I don’t take credit where it isn’t deserved. But you all are quick to place blame where it isn’t deserved.
And I have not been the first here to suggest terrible things should be done to HSM members, or to Greg. So don’t try to be all high and mighty and suggest that, as it isn’t true. Nice try though to suggest I am somehow different than some of your regular posters, who make suggestions about what should happen to Greg and his supporters. Kind of the pot calling the kettle black, don’t you think?
Congratulations El Guapo, you just reenforced what Greg said about this blog becoming a hate group by again attacking him personally with degrading and immature remarks. Those type of remarks do more to belittle the person making them then doing harm to the victim.
SA,
El Guapo simply voiced his opinion and provided an example. Why does his doing that make anti a ‘hate group?’ How comical. It isn’t a personal attack. When one becomes a public figure who attempts to influence public policy for an organization, it makes one fair game!
Questionable subects? SA, you are providing comic relief this morning for sure. What would YOU like to see as a thread? Please make a suggestion.
SA,
You are wrong. This blog does not attack Greg. There may be a few that post with comments that might appear to be attacking him and his idealogies but not this blog. There are those who post on BVBL who do the same as you accuse anti of doing. I guess one has to expect some degrading, immature remarks from some posters. You know “free speech”.
I have always felt this blog allowed for some interesting discussions, views different from bvbl and that all opinions posted here were respected. We are not “cookie cutter” people so you can not expect all of us to think and act alike, thus bvbl and anti-bvbl.
I will have to put in my 2 cents worth about onefortheroad. The comments posted by him/her were just a bit over the top and I am thinking that person is a plant from the other side to discredit anti-bvbl.
So SA do you believe that people from Latin America are genetically prone to be criminals?
I have read both sites and I will say that however much you hate to hear it, both sites are guilty of what you call “hate mongering”. All human beings have emotions and one of the many emotions shared by all is “being defensive”. When a person is attacked personally, its human nature to be defensive. I have seen A LOT of this emotion expressed by both “sides”. I have come to the conclusion that we all want the same thing in the end, its “how we get there” is what makes us different. Just because I do not believe in certain tactics doesn’t make me a “fat broad” and just because I don’t agree with full amnesty for all, doesn’t make me a Nazi or a white supremacist. What a wonderful thing if both sides could come together and reach an agreement that would better us all human beings. Sometimes in “battle” you have to compromise in order to win the war. Right now we are many voices in this county but if we unite and become one voice. Imagine how “loud” we could be.
Not a sermon, just a thought.
elena, OFTR was so out of line yesterday. At first when he was placed in “time-out” I was thinking, okay you said no banning on this site and thought it was wrong. The more I thought about it and read his threats, and I do consider them threats, the more I thought the right thing had been done.
However, this just goes to show everyone that YOU can not control what is said in anyones post. So for those who blame you or Greg for that are so wrong.
Elena, thanks for taking the time to ferret out the false identity here. It makes me chuckle to think that Greg feels the need to do this. I see it as positive (but annoying) sign: as long as he and HSM see this movement as a threat to what they are trying to accomplish, we’re moving forward. -SC
“However, it is clear, that there was a set up, so that Greg could use the comments posted by onefortheroad to demonstrate that we are a “hate” group over on Anti.”
That’s over-the-top. I’ve seen other posts from regulars here that could have been put to much better use over there.
If we’re going to get into crazy conspiracy theories, I think this site is secretly run by Greg just to amp up the soap operish lunacy I see sometimes. Nothing better to get people clicking then lots of over-the-top drama.
The clear difference between this blog and Gregs, is we don’t censor comments as a reaction to prevent opposing views. Greg did this on a REGULAR basis. I am not going to rehash history, but he censored people,not based on threats, but based on diverging view points. He allowed disgusting comments to stand, and there were many, while censoring counter points of view. By allowing the clearly racist comments to stand, but censoring alternate view points, he demonstrated a clear bias and acceptence of those racist views. The “sting” operation on anti was to score a childish point. People having concerns about immigration does not qualify them as KKk or neo-nazi members. Driving public policy, by promoting fear and ignorance does not create an atmosphere of open and fair discussion. Why else do you think the original resolution was amended twice?
Just Cause, if you believe that most people backed what was happening in this county, I believe you are out of touch. The original resolution was abhorant, that simple. From that beginning point is where this all started. You can choose to rewrite history, but John Stirrup/Duecaster’s first resolution set the tone in this county, and it wasn’t a prett site.
Just wondering – how did you know that Greg was behind this? Did OFTR admit it or Greg admit it? Or are you just throwing stones again? OFTR causes the same kind of trolling over on BVBL, doesn’t he?
Sara- Not really…
you wish- DOES it really Matter…..
Elena- So you have no desire to compromise or re-set the tone. You want it your way or the highway?? is that what your saying? Plese re-read what I stated. The only way to reset the tone is to compromise and to unite..
Do you have any REAL proof, or just your assertion that OFTR was an agent of Greg, attempting to set you up? Did you match any IP’s to someone who has previously posted here as a Greg-defender? If you have proof, please present it.
I think OFTR is just someone who gets off stirring up trouble at blog sites, yours and Greg’s included. He or she is a caricature, which is quite clear if you read the posts.
Just Cause,25. June 2008, 8:46
I Agree with you and we have to start somewhere.We are ALL neighbors living together and it would be a miracle if the name calling / bashing were to cease beside it because the focus and distracts from the issue.
Just Cause,
What would the compromise “look like” to you? We have a diverse set up views here. I am not going to be aplogetic for calling out HSM or BVBL for what I believe has been the promotion of hate and villification of hispanics. Many people worked behind the scenes to alter the resolution, until its final form today, which is a much watered down resolution from the original presentation. Many of us here focus on the prejucidial aspect of the ever growing anti illegal immigration extremism that is growing in this country. If you see otherwise, even after all the facts that have been posted, well, I don’t see how else I can convince you. What many of us have expressed here is that any immigration reform will be very complicated, and uninteneded consequences must be considered before we make that leap. Is that hateful or simply a desire to be reasonable and humane in whatever conclusions are reached.
So I ask you Just Cause, what would this “new” conversation look like to you? What changes would you make to create the tone you believe we need to solve the issues before us?
My concern, is that we can’t create the solutions, until we identify the problem and therein lies the challenge. Some see this as a population issue, some this as a labor issue, some see this as culture issue, some see this as a color issue, some see this as a health and safety issue, some see this as an “invasion”, and etc.
Q: What would the compromise “look like” to you?
A: Adults coming together at a round table discussing the REAL issues and concerns to best
Serve this community; coming together and uniting.
Q: I am not going to be aplogetic for calling out HSM or BVBL for what I believe has been the promotion of hate and villification of hispanics
A: Not asking for your apology, I am asking you to be the bigger person and initiate the discussions with the very group you obviously despise.
Q: Many people worked behind the scenes to alter the resolution, until its final form today, which is a much watered down resolution from the original presentation.
A: Is this your opinion, or is this factual??
Q: Many of us here focus on the prejucidial aspect of the ever growing anti illegal immigration extremism that is growing in this country
A: You said it yourself, that’s your main focus! I was under the impression the main focus was trying to resolve the illegal immigration issues, voicing resolutions, etc etc..
Q: If you see otherwise, even after all the facts that have been posted, well, I don’t see how else I can convince you.
A: But these are YOUR facts based off of BVBL!!!! That’s not FACTS, that’s more of an opinion. BVBL doesn’t speak for the entire Community nor the Entire Country for that matter. So what exactly then are you trying to convince me and what does it matter??
Q: What many of us have expressed here is that any immigration reform will be very complicated, and uninteneded consequences must be considered before we make that leap. Is that hateful or simply a desire to be reasonable and humane in whatever conclusions are reached.
A: That’s just it, there has been no talks of reform, no mention of conclusions or even how to get there… Only finger pointing and wild eyed bantering.. and to me, that’s not being reasonable or humane. You talk Genocide. Is that reasonable? No it isn’t. You speak of racism and hate mongering…Is that Humane?? No it isn’t.
Todays Quote: “Temper gets you into trouble. Pride keeps you there.”
Ed,
The ladies most certainly can look at IP addresses. They are not the brainless housewives some seem to think they are. Greg’s blog is not the only “game in town”.
Now, as for OFTR..Clearly he is a caricature or should I say “wanna be caricature”. Troublemaker, indeed he/she is. It appears he is Taco Ted or should I say “Taco Thomas”.
Also, more affectionately known as the “Mayor of Munchkin Land.”
I would also, like to point out Mando called him out on this Monday. Also, OFTR admitted it himself. Since, you like proof.,
Here’s the proof….
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See the genocide link Mando, 23. June 2008, 15:06 and @ 14:26 to see OFTR’s admission or his dual persona.
Are we done beating this dead horse yet? I cant belive an entire THREAD is dedicated to this meaningless B**S***!
So Elena what purpose does this DEAD HORSE BASHING play in todays discussion? What resolutions have we reached?? Whats the enlightenment ???? real issue??? Conclusion??
Let me repeat myself: “Temper gets you into trouble. Pride keeps you there.”
Just Cause,
I believe you ask some very probing questions and that you have put a lot of thought into both questions and answers. Many people on the Anti blog have concerns because of the degree of influence that HSM had on public policy in Prince William County. I think that most of the regular anti’s here also feel that there was no public hearing where citizens could discuss their opinions. The marathon meeting of October 16, 2007 was a regular BOCS meeting and not a public hearing.
Interestingly enough, many regulars here on this blog celebrated the lastest adoption of the ‘Resolution’ this spring as a win. Bvbl disputed that win and insisted on it a strengthening of their position. We were more than willing to see it as a compromise where everyone was a winner.
How can one sit down for discussion with any organization that must spin everything as a win in their own terms? It just won’t happen.
Policy will be decided on the local political level via citizen input. Political differences will be blogged. As you well know, many black velvets are here now. This is a good thing and probably is informally accomplishing what you want to see happen. I expect to even see Mr. Medic back over here soon. He has been on hiatus.
SecondAlamo:
With a moniker like SecondAlamo, you have hypocritically accomplished everything you accuse others of doing here. Your name invokes images of warfare and bloodshed between the USA and Mexico. Your name clearly states that you yearn for another chance to shoot down Mexicans. I’m not sure why you would use this moniker, since all the people at the Alamo were wiped out. Maybe you’re a masochist.
Just cause,
The real issue now seems to be that I spoke too soon. I spoke respectfully to you and about your ideas. While doing so, you, in turn, slapped up some condemning tripe about this thread to Elena.
I expect this LIVING horse is going to be beaten for quite a while now. Judging from the commotion over on bvbl over Anti, please do not expect it to go away. The Blog Dad has given all of this a life of its own. its nice to know we share a common troll.
You might find their thread more to your liking. It isn’t hard to find. Look for the picture of the mouse earred women.
My two cents (though I will have to go back because I obviously missed out on some of the fun with OFTR), HSM and GL are SCARY. THAT is why people don’t necessarily want to dialogue with them and why Anti is here.
It’s not that we can’t have a decent dialog, and this blog proves it, for better or for worse. But no one wants to dialog when they feel intimidated, threatened, harassed, etc. This seems pretty clear to me. Who wants to be bullied?
Excellent point, Kgotthardt. It is also interesting to look at the gender of those who were silenced on bvbl. It appears that misogyny is alive and well.
The PWC government needed to hear an alternative voice to BVBL and the FAIR ginned-up out-of-state emails the BOCS received prior to the resolution. I say, “Three cheers for Anti-BVBL!”
When Greg was the only game in town, no subject was off-limit for his looney tirades. Disagreements were dealt with by using the “eject from the forum” button. The alternatives to those with differing opinions were emails to their supervisors and letters to the WaPo and MJM.
I’m an Independent who has a moderate Republican for my Supervisor. Yea Supervisor Nohe!!! I think the Republican party in PWC needs to take a good look at this immigration fiasco that it helped manipulate and learn a lesson. People are sick of the bigotry, hate, fear-mongering and want some legitimate leadership. We’re even willing to invest money in the solutions!!!! Surprise!!! A little money might help transportation.
Just Cause, you want a compromise? How about we rescind the resolution entirely, have legitimate public hearings (not out-of-state FAIR generated emails), appoint a panel of experts to make recommendations, and start over?
interesting..you let KG go unhinged on people (she calls it being blunt) but you call this guy “out” as you tell it.
again, the owners of this blog make a feeble attempt to take a stab at something, in this case it’s GL who although really throws himself out there, I doubt he had anything to do with this. I’m fairly certain he uses this blog as simple laughing enjoyment. it’s become so fragmented and frankly rediculous that anyone sane would think it’s all made up for peoples enjoyment.
I would say to everyone to please return from fantasy land and get on some real topics that make sense. you’ve bashed illegal immigration long enough, god forbid you actually post a workable plan…the pro’s in washington dont seem to have one, so I doubt the thinktanks on this blog do either.
Moon-howler- The HORSE I was refering to was OFTR and who it is.. blah blah..and I was making a point to Elena that she cant speak for everyone when it comes to a persons motive for posting or what they represent over here. Not everyone belives the same way…..
however I find it ironic how “BOTH” is wanting the same result in the end, yet.. we will throw one another under the bus to get there….again Temper gets you into trouble. Pride keeps you there..
I would say to everyone to please return from fantasy land and get on some real topics that make sense. you’ve bashed illegal immigration long enough, god forbid you actually post a workable plan…the pro’s in washington dont seem to have one, so I doubt the thinktanks on this blog do either.
Elvis, neither did the right wingnuts of the local Republican party. They showed what a botch they could make of an issue. Oh, sure, they got their chairman elected – and marginalized. The moderate Republicans in the City showed more sense this time around and kicked the wingnuts to the curb. This fall will bring a harder kicking!
Censored bybvbl, 25. June 2008, 12:35 said: you want a compromise? How about we rescind the resolution entirely, have legitimate public hearings (not out-of-state FAIR generated emails), appoint a panel of experts to make recommendations, and start over?
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Ok- How do we get the ball rolling?? Im all for it…but my question is..How? You don’t honestly think it is possible? I do..If we unite as one voice, You would be amazed what could happen when you DEMAND to be heard..right now I kinda think PWC is a laughing stock ( hell we cant even agree with one another) how on earth can we make a difference if we cant Even get along! Who would listen????
“Unhinged”? Hmmmmm….
At least I’ve posted solutions, Elvis, as you have. I just read the OFTR stuff. It’s nonsense and it just takes up space. It’s not being “blunt” or “funny” or anything. It’s just stupidity and it’s pointed at LPOW who has never come across as a meany to me.
BTW, people tend to get “unhinged” when they see radical things they prefer NOT to see and/or when they have reason to be nervous or scared. It’s a natural defense mechanism. But being scared doesn’t make one irrational per say, and it certainly doesn’t mean you dismiss their ideas. Ridiculous!
You can bet your butt many people at BVBL and in HSM are “unhinged” because they are scared of an “invasion.” But being scared or blunt doesn’t justify taking it a step further to hatred, outright cruelty, persecution, etc. I can deal with blunt (some people cannot). But I will NOT deal with meanness etc.
Outside of all this….why have you suddenly made this “all about me”? I don’t recall having anything to do with the conversation.
“How do we get the ball rolling??”
A citizen advisory board made up of moderate, non-party members. That’s how.
I asked Wally Covington about this and he said we would have to get Stewart’s support. Does anyone think that would ever happen?
Peppermint Patty,
In response to your 25. June 2008, 11:10, I don’t call that “proof”. I see a blog troll stealing the material from another blog troll, and trying to be funny by the poor use of satire.
As to your reference to “taco thomas” or “mayor of munchkinland”, how about letting me and some others in on the joke?
Kgottard- Nothing beats a failure but a try…
Mr. Ed,
My comment was not meant to be a joke. If you’ve been reading both blogs long enough. It’s not a hard “riddle” to solve. I’ve made my statement, and that’s that.
You’ll get no argument from me, as far as them being a troll. It might not be enough proof for you, but it’s the best we’ve got in the “cyberworld”. I don’t believe everything I see, hear and read. We’ve got enough “trouble makers” in PWC to go around. We don’t need another one.
AW – Kudos to you.
Another interesting thing I noticed about this blog, since the topic of illegal immigration and helping out the illegals is forefront in the minds of the blog owners, I took a look at the solutions tab at the top of the page and lo and behold…no solutions other than PWC community links!
again, more proof that the blog owners have no more solutions than the rest of the population. Neither do the 9500 liberty “artists” either.
Speaking of 9500 liberty i read on the other blog that they always showed up when greg and his pals were taking pics of illegals at their day labor sites. I think it’s a pretty good bet that MWB called them to film everything, more proof that they are just another arm of MWB just as this blog appears to be as well.
I don’t see why some people here are so mad, this site did kind of the same thing when it comes to taking comments and posts on BVBL and using them to paint a picture of what they are like. Now it’s done to this site and people are upset about it?
Don’t get me wrong, I’m not sticking up for BVBL but you can’t be upset about something like this when your guilty of doing something very similar.
“I took a look at the solutions tab at the top of the page and lo and behold…no solutions other than PWC community links!”
Thank you Em – there are no solutions that have EVER been posted, regardless of what KG says. It’s griping and name calling. It’s telling anyone who doesn’t agree with them that they are a Nazi, Bigot, Racist and are ready to commit genocide or ethnic cleansing.
And as for KG –
“But being scared or blunt doesn’t justify taking it a step further to hatred, outright cruelty, persecution, etc. I can deal with blunt (some people cannot). But I will NOT deal with meanness etc.”
Pot calling the kettle black? Sounds like it. Go back and read your posts where you call people racist, Nazis and bigots. Is that not meanness? Oh, sorry – that’s just you being “blunt” – RIIIIIIIIIGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHTTTTT
Well, being the ornery one here, I disagree with blocking anyone’s content unless it is obscene or overtly threatening. Some of your most popular threads here became that way because you had passion on all sides of the issue. Some ideas posted are thoughtful and intelligent, some crude, some outright loony. But it really wouldn’t be all that interesting if everyone played TOO nicey-nice now, would it? If I talk to you, I’m interested in what you have to say, even if I think what you’re saying sounds crazy. Some of you have even managed to win me over on a few points. Once I had OFTR figured out, I ignored him/her.
Brainstorming can be a painful process, but once you cut through the weeds you might actually see a little light.
And now that I’ve sickened you with too many metaphors, I’m going to make dinner…
Emma,
All these blog owners and their supporters care about is maintaining their pro-illegal group-think. They haven’t yet realized that the battle is over, and they lost. Now all that’s left for them is to cry and moan and call the winning side evil racists. They claim to offer “solutions”, but the only “solutions” I have ever heard presented by them are “go back to the way things used to be”, “stop picking on illegals”, and who could forget “Don’t listen to Greg Leticq and HSM”.
Being told you are acting like a neo-Nazi doesn’t exactly fall into the “mean” category. It’s a description of behavior–something like Elvis using the term “unhinged.” “Bigot” and “racist” are the same thing—descriptions of behaviors. “Parasites” are not descriptions of behaviors. They are mean names given in order to dehumanize.
Also, I’m not out there taking pics of people’s cars and posting them on the web so others will go after them. That’s the kind of crap I am referring to.
We used to have a long thread JUST on solutions before the format change. Admin, do you know what happened to that?
But KG, you don’t say “you are acting like a bigot”, you actually CALL people a bigot! You can try to justify calling people these things by saying that you are describing their behavior, but it’s pretty transparent.
Try this on for size:
“Those who oppose liberal immigration, foreign aid, entangling alliances or “New World Orders,” are denounced as “xenophobic,” in addition to the usual epithets suggesting “hatred,” “bigotry,” and a paranoid “fear” of strangers. The intention, obviously, is to demoralize and isolate, not to debate.”
http://pages.prodigy.net/krtq73aa/bigot.htm
Using the words bigot, racist and neo-Nazi IS hate speak, no matter how you try to spin it. And saying that it’s not “mean” is insane. If your husband, wife, or child came home and said that someone had called them a bigot, would you be upset? Is that not mean spirited? When someone spray paints “racist” on a house or car, isn’t that mean?
And please show a link to where anyone has posted pictures of other people’s cars. If you are referring to what Greg does, he turns the photos over to the police. He has NEVER posted the pictures on his website, so get your facts straight.
And go check under the “solutions” tab – all that is posted are links to PWC. Not much of a solution, is it?
Here are the “solutions”:
The solutions page is expressly for suggestions/opinions on rectifing problems either on a local, regional or federal level.
Prince William County
Neighborhood Services
5 County Complex Court, Suite 280
Woodbridge VA 22192
703-792-7018
[email protected]
http://www.pwcgov.org/default.aspx?topic=010013001290004019
Manassas City
Residential Overcrowding Email Complaint
Confidential Overcrowding Hotline: 703-257-8424
Manassas Park
Non-emergency police number – 703-361-1136
I AM SICK TO DEATH OF BOTH OF THESE BLOGS! I will be starting my own blog as soon as I possibly can. My intent is to provide a forum with strict rules of decorum, much as they do at Bacon’s Rebellion. The only issue under discussion will be immigration (legal and illegal) and ALL sides of the issue will be welcome in FAIR AND REASONABLE DEBATE. I came to this decision within the last half hour after catching up with the posts here and at BVBL and, after discussing it with my computer-expert husband, made the decision to go ahead with this. There are fair and reasonable minds on both sides of this issue and they deserve a forum…which I intend to provide.
Being, myself, computer illiterate, I don’t know how long it will take to get me up and running…but I’m throwing down the gauntlet here and it WILL get up and running. I will have AWCheney somewhere in the title or banner so, if anyone is interested, they’ll be able to find me. Good luck until then with your discussions of genocide, racism, bigotry and dealing with forum trolls. I will be posting a similar announcement at BVBL.
Emma, I agree with you, some have won me over on a few points here as well. I’m glad that I’ve gotten to know a few different view points here (from those that post intelligent and compelling arguments – not going to name names).
However, Kfotthardt saying something like “Being told you are acting like a neo-Nazi doesn’t exactly fall into the “mean” category” is a turn-off. Really, what could be more “mean”. I’ve been called a racist for saying that I was for the resolution. It’s things like that that end up turning people off to the “other” (what ever that means) side of the argument. I’m just glad that I stuck around to read more if nothing else but to get other peoples view points.