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Yesterday’s headline of the Washington Post went something like this, “North Pole Will Be Iceless This Summer for The First Time in Recorded History.” And I a find myself wondering, why, why am I investing so much time on immigration when there are, in my opinion, real crisis’ that will confront my children as they reach adulthood, or, even earlier. Immigration, throughtout the genesis of this country has been contentious, and THIS time, this immigrant group, is no different. You can slap a label on them and say its about “illegality”, but our broken immigration policy created the illegality label. Do we really want to spend billions on a fence? The biggest crisis our children will face is a global climate change brought about by a lack of initiative to find clean energy alternatives. It’s all about priorities in my opinion. JFK said we would put a man on the moon, and by G-d, we put a man on the moon. Given the collective desire and will of this country, we can figure out alternative energy sources to deal with our energy dependence on foreign oil and attack global warming. But no, instead we “shoot at fish in barrells”, focusing our energy on the “invasion” of illegal immigrants. We needed our government to deal with the neighborhoods issues for what they were, zoning vioations, litter violations, and culture clashes. We have a class system growing in this country, and it isn’t because of illegal immigrants, its because the average person pays more in taxes, pays more for gas, more for food, more for health care, and yet our incomes aren’t rising to keep up with these everyday increases.
Elena,
I second that! I am more concerned with the rising prices of gas, food, you name it and where we are all headed. Why now has it seemed to be all about immigration and not so much before? I just look at it as a distraction for what? I don’t know.
I think it was Bill Gates who once noted that if energy technology had advanced in the same fashion as, say, the microchip, we wouldn’t have to worry about fossil fuels at all. I have a tough time believing the United States can’t figure its way out of this crisis. Whether it does, well, that’s an entirely different box of frogs.
Great question Red Dawn!
A distraction FROM what? Maybe from all those things we just listed, not to mention two wars !
Love this video, Elena!! Thank you so much for posting it. Really, what else needs to be said? What is truly Lou Dobbs or even Greg’s point to keep going on and on with the demonization?
Energy policy is a huge issue for us!! I posted on the other thread that John McCain gave a speech today at the NALEO conference this morning (National Association of Latino Elected Officials), and he did not speak first about immigration, at least from what I could tell on CNN. He spoke first and at length about his energy policy, about the need to reduce our dependence on foreign oil and to identify alternative energy sources. Why can’t we get all up in arms about that topic?
Is it that immigration is more personal? Since it allows people to voice their prejudices–after all, using the word “illegal” makes it ok to express all manner of ugly sentiment–is that more emotionally gratifying than energy policy and global warming?
After all, one can spout off at length against their fellow human beings, whereas to intelligently discuss policy one must actually learn and know something.
Elena,
I would say that answers the WHAT. How about the WHY? The economy is effecting everyone. For those of us in the work force, we have the choice to get a second job ( if your lucky and can find one and I still have a problem with the idea that one would HAVE to get one) But what about the people on fixed incomes? What about them? What are they going to do? I feel sorry for them and the people who have reached their goal of retirement and NOW can’t live out that achievement by having to postpone it for later. It makes one wonder what they worked so hard for.
Thank you Elena, amazing video (although I could have done without the flames which put the fright into me at the beginning).
WHAT and WHY as what Red Dawn seems to be asking. I guess that’s the reason why I chose the moniker I did. How wonderful that you guys are discussing it.
My theory when I decided to represent myself as “Why Here Why Now” was that the Iraq War (not the other war) was the WHAT we were supposed to be distracted from. Now I’ll explain the “why.”
During 2005 and 2006, Americans began to realize that the occupation of Iraq was a grave error of historic proportions. We began to understand that the justifications we were given were exaggerated and/or fabricated by the Bush administration. Hurricane Katrina taught us to look upon mass media with skepticism, and seemingly from that point on, the same old spin about Iraq was no longer doing the trick.
There were some, like our former Senator George Allen, who clung to the 2004 and 2002 election strategy, cheering on the Iraq war and accusing anyone who did not do so of being unpatriotic, even insisting that there were indeed weapons of mass destruction waiting on balsa wood planes to been floated across the ocean and into American cities. During the 2006 mid-term elections, the leaders of the party such as Karl Rove and Dick Cheney were saying “stick with me,” the Iraq War will carry us to victory as it did in 2004 and 2002.
After the defeats that came that November, there were two groups who decided to defy the party leadership, and fend for themselves. One group was the strict partisans, who cared for nothing more than winning elections and staying in power. The other group was the Anti-Immigrant Lobby, made up of John Tanton disciples and employees at F.A.I.R. and their various front groups and subsidiaries, as well as the ugly stepchild of the Republican party: those who fell prey to Richard Nixon’s “Southern Strategy” and base their loyalty to the GOP on some sort of white pride or an idea of protecting white power. Up until the 2006 election, these elements of the party could be ignored and swept under the rug. They certainly weren’t going to defect to the Democratic party, so there was no need to even talk about, let alone implement, any of the policies that, for instance, F.A.I.R. had been screaming about since the 1970’s.
But all of the sudden, the anti-immigrant faction (for want of a better word) was able to join forces with the strict partisan faction, and threaten to overthrow the more practical and more honorable side of the party. When President Bush stood up for the McCain/Kennedy Comprehensive Immigration reform bill (and stupidly accused opponents of being racists), this strict partisans saw just the opportunity they needed to separate themselves from an increasingly unpopular President, and appeal to the most organized and most enthusiastic base yet remaining in the party: the anti-immigrant lobby.
If you look at the big picture, there is a direct correlation between the approval rating of the President and popular support for the occupation of Iraq (both of which were going down) and the amount of news coverage and mass distributed talking points dealing with this new “crisis” known as “Illegal Immigration.” Think about it. When the Iraq War was a necessary preemptive strike to protect us from the same terrorists who perpetrated 9/11, there was no talk of an “Illegal Immigartion crisis.” Gradually, the see-saw shifted, until today, the Republican news programs and radio shows spend more time talking about our manufactured domestic culture war than they do about the REAL wars causing real death and real destruction every day.
During the Republican primary, it looked for all the world like this new coalition of strict partisans and the anti-immigrant lobby would seize control of the party and win the nomination. Mitt Romney seemed to be the empty suit strict partisan they needed who would take on the anti-immigrant mantle if it would help him achieve his ambition and keep the Republicans in the White House. But then along came John McCain, and with him, the conscience of the Republican party, and of the American people. Simply, we had progressed to far to allow hate and hysteria to blind us to the common good.
Ever since New Hampshire, when McCain became the immovable object , this seemingly irresistible force that was the Anti-immigrant Lobby began to peter out. The strict partisans abandoned them for a more reliable, more forward thinking strategy. It was back to plan A. Iraq. Militarism. Patriotism. Meld the three, and we have not only preserved our slight chances of maintaining power, we have also maintained our integrity.
Thank God for John McCain. He stuck to Plan A even when it looked like his dream of becoming President was going down the drain as a result. He chose his integrity over a expedient, short term strategy that would have doomed the party for a generation.
In Memory of George Carlin
CAUTION: cuss words
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJ4SSvVbhLw
Among my usual typos, I also erred in saying Hurricane Katrina caused the American people to look upon mass media with skepticism. On the contrary, the mass media gained our trust during Hurricane Katrina’s aftermath, when it dared to contradict President Bush. It was during this period that the American people learned to question the White House, its talking points, and its media subsidiaries on talk radio and cable news. This caused us to look at the Iraq war propaganda with skepticism; not the media who had been guilty of “catapulting” said propaganda, as President Bush has been known to say.
WHWN, you are obviously more than a casual blogger, and this should be mandatory reading for anyone interested in politics today. In fact, this deserves a wider audience, and I suspect you are a writer anyway. This should be submitted as an editorial. As I wrote on another thread, I appreciate and look forward to your political analyses and commentaries.
Your words make me appreciate John McCain even more, even though I’m a democrat. He will probably lose, not because he is less qualified, but because Obama has the momentum and aura of change. But he is willing to do what needs to be done to restore sanity and integrity to his party. I just hope no scandals come out. I can’t understand why so many people compromise their integrity when money and power come into play.
I second the motion of an editorial by WNWH!
With all due respect to Senator McCain, he’s the worst choice. Our country is wasting time on illegal immigration because we still think we’re and empire. We still think nothing and no one can touch us. We look upon 9-11 as an aberration. A lucky shot. Very few of our leaders have taken 9-11 seriously, and very few of the American people as well. You only need to look at the 9-11 commission to realize the depth of the self-delusion.
The 9-11 Commission report was a complete snow-job. None of the important leaders who dropped the ball out of moral cowardice were brought to account. A few low level bureaucrats were fired and the failure was blamed on ‘insufficient intelligence sharing between CIA and FBI’. In other words, some nebulous, impossible to quantify reason was given as the cause of the greatest disaster in our history. Ask yourselves, If we can’t quantify the level of intelligence sharing, how do we know if we’re doing enough of it? And does anyone know how much intelligence sharing is enough? Does anyone have a chart.
We failed on 9-11 because those we trust to protect us, elected and appointed officials, were moral cowards. They avoided hunting down and ruthlessly killing our enemies because too much blood doesn’t look good on the nightly news.
We failed because we still believe we are the masters of the universe. That we can do as we please with other people and that they can be bribed to forget our transgressions. But now we’ve picked a fight with an ancient faith. A faith that grows stronger in war, not weaker. A faith that requires resistance from it’s adherents and rewards them with life everlasting if they die in battle.
And we still think they don’t mean what they say. That’s why we actually have a presidential candidate like a John McCain. A man who believes we’re still fighting the cold war. He wants to bomb them into submission, occupy their cities, wreck their economies. And they will emerge stronger for it…and more than ever united against us.
Klauswitz taught that to defeat your opponent, you must attack his centers of gravity. Al Queda’s center of gravity isn’t in the cities, nor the economies, nor the GDPs. Their center of gravity is in the Islamic faith…and the 1.3 billion hearts that are aligned by that faith.
Until we can find a leader who can understand this, we are marching towards defeat.
Well, thanks for the compliment, but I think what I have written above is rather elementary for party insiders and others who’s job it is to follow politics. We can’t spell it out publicly for reasons which should be obvious, but I think it’s widely known.
WHWN, a Republican party insider is the last thing I am; therefore I appreciate your candor.
Mackie, I’m not sure what you are advocating as a solution to defeating our enemies, especially regarding the Islamic faith, but one thing I am not in favor of is “hunting down and ruthlessly killing our enemies” as you put it. I don’t demonize immigrants, and I don’t demonize Muslims. How about searching for the root causes of anti-American hatred and imperialism and approaching it from that angle? Oops, does that make me a lefty, pie-in-the-sky, weak-on-defense liberal?
Firedancer,
Yes it does if you mean we should refrain, in the meantime, from killing those who would seek to do us harm. There is no talking to people who have reached the point where they’re ready to kill themselves in order to kill us. They are past the point of dialog.
Neither do I. I have great respect for those who would leave their homes behind and travel hundreds of miles to do battle with the strongest military on earth. They are sincere. They cannot be bought or deterred. We have forgotten the danger of a sincere foe.
I wholeheartedly agree. I think if you reread my post above, that is part of what I’m saying. And Obama is almost as much an imperialist as McCain. He says he will pull out of Iraq. He is lying. His choice of foreign policy adviser, the colossally arrogant Samantha Power, who would get us embroiled in every war on the planet, says everything there is to say about Obama’s respect for boundaries that other cultures and other peoples hold as sacred.
Hey! I like Muslims. Leave them alone. Arabic is a cool language.
You know what I don’t like? Hatred and violence, no matter who it is coming from.
And I agree…I really appreciate the great writers contributing to this blog! Un-party-people like me don’t get exposed to some of this and too many times, trying to read a political blog leaves me with a big “HUH??”
Besides, we have a really cool Mosque alarm clock my husband gave me for Valentine’s Day. It chants at the set time. The chants are lovely and LOUD. Guaranteed to wake up the kids!
Mackie, I try to take all other hats off while reading this blog, so I won’t get into it with you too much on imperialism, Muslims, fighting “terrah” and all that. In this context I only bring up Iraq because it is relevant to the wave of anti-immigrant paranoia / political opportunism that has victimized Prince William County. So I say this entirely with my immigration hat on:
Please be careful and don’t go overboard on your protect America by fighting “terrah” rhetoric. If you cross the line and sound a little extreme, it will undermine the good sense you tend to make when it comes to the immigration issue.
Firedancer, I am not a party insider and KGotthardt, I am not a partisan either.
Once upon a time, I was highly partisan about the Baltimore Colts. Then, all my favorite players retired and the team moved to Indianapolis. I tried to continue rooting for the Indianapolis Colts. I tried really hard. The purchased the services of Erik Dickerson, a top flight running back, and I held on for a while. But before long, I realized they just weren’t my team anymore. They’d become something else. Now I root for the Redskins and, to a lesser degree, the Ravens. But that could change as well if they too abandon me.
** “they” purchased the services of Erik Dickerson…
WhyHereWhyNow,
Hey, that was a GREAT analogy!I could never understand the “die hards” which leads me to the people who just show up and vote with the sample ballot given. ( just as bad as not voting)
Thanks Red Dawn. I guess you can guess my primary point is that the Immigration Issue was never a Democrat vs. Republican issue. It has always been a death struggle within the Republican party. So my message is really for Republican partisans, and those sympathetic to the Republican party:
F.A.I.R.’s agenda is poison for this party and everything it stands for. You think it will help the Republican party? It will destroy the Republican party. Every ounce of energy you put into this fight, whether as a highly paid political strategist or a lowly Hate Bunny… you are HURTING the Republican party. You are tearing it apart. I can’t tell you how many Republicans have come to me, having seen how this immigration hysteria has been used, having experienced the damage it has caused, and said something that goes a little like this:
WHWN,
If there was any line to cross, we all crossed it when we invaded Iraq in 2003. As for any good sense I might make in terms of immigration, I would support 100% deportation if I felt it was realistic and would improve our internal security. The most important issue concerning the border is that there are very genuine and sincere people who have come to see us as a mortal threat to their faith…probably because that’s exactly how we have been behaving. These people intend to defend their faith at all costs and our wide open border is a open door. People on both sides of the immigration debate talk about this issue of an open border as if we have all the time in the world. They still believe we are untouchable. This is an illusion. We may come to deeply regret this complacency one day.
“The Marriage Amendment passed but what did it get me?”
No kidding! Does the marriage amendment do anything other than deprive certain individuals of legal protections? I think not.
I think marriage is a religious concept. Every union, no matter which two people choose it, should be civil. If you want the “marriage” to be sanctioned by your church, than by all means–have a wedding. Otherwise, everything is just a civil union and sexual preference shouldn’t play into it. This is separation of church and state in my mind.
“then by all means….” not “than”
Thank you, Elena for posting the video. Some days I just sit and wonder if through all of history have we ever learned anything. I, too, share your views about the importance of issues that matter to all of mankind. We tend to major in the minors and minor in the majors.
Thanks to everyone who posted their thoughts today on this topic which has given me much to ponder.
I am off to California for 3 weeks to celebrate my Mother’s 80th birthday and to spend time with my wonderful family. Will check in with you when I return unless I can carve out a little time to see what you guys and gals are up to. Keep ’em straight!!!!!
Has anyone heard about this? Good thing or bad thing? I kinda think a good thing…..still reading…
http://digg.com/politics/Oklahoma_declares_Sovereignty_MUST_READ
Have a great vacation and visit, Marie!
Prince William County became the place for the perfect storm to develop. F.A.I.R. found its agents of change: Greg, Corey, John, et al. Why?
Huge and recent influx of Hispanics. People could look around and see ‘an enemy.’ Historically the county has been the place of relatively low cost housing and a Republican base. For several decades it had the distinction of being the fastest growing county in the United States.
What pushed things over the edge? A Democratic governor was elected and more astonishingly, a dark horse Democrat ousted the fair-haired child, George Allen. Virginia Republicans had turned on George Bush. The Iraq War was becoming increasingly unpopular. The Republicans needed to hold on to their base and attract some new blood. Enter F.A.I.R. and the agents of change. The rest is history. Temporary fix. PWC Republicans held on to their local control and house control at the state level. However, I think it all might backfire in their faces. Stay tuned.
WHWN, I agree with everything you said. I just have a little different rendition of the same idea. For the record, I voted against the gay marriage amendment. I see it as a civil rights issue dealing with contracts, from a state level. If people want a religious perspective, go to church.
Moon-howler, excellent insights! The “Why Here” of my chosen moniker was intended to ask the question you answered above.
I voted against the Marriage Amendment too, by the way. I was basically forming a composite of several moderate Republicans I have spoken with during this very sad period. It’s almost amusing to ask “what did it get me?” Most people I know who voted for it did so only to support the Republican party in a weird round-about way. They weren’t homophobic in the slightest but they saw the amendment as a test of Republican staying power in Virginia. Hogwash if you ask me. If you want staying power, either stick to your basic foundations or come up with some great ideas, but don’t serve up a revolving door of minorities to pick on. That’s so 20th century….
Marie,
Have a wonderful trip!
Moon-howler,
I agree, stay tuned, I think there will be a few republicans who will regret their “steadfastness” to this one polarizing issue when the next election comes.
Mackie, your words sound a lot like those I’ve seen before in subversive militant groups form the other side of the world. Are you sure you are an American, or do you denounce “America ” ?
Sometimes I wonder what your true political “objective” really is. You seem to be advocating for warfare, anti-government, lawlessness, killing and anarchy. Of course if I am wrong about what you “really meant to say” you have the right to twist words again.
I asked on another thread if we could take a look at MWB and La Raza to be fair. What do you think?
Good post Elena, it show another perspective.
For the benefit of those who do not yet understand why we have high gas prices and low value of the US dollar, the following was posted by me on bvbl. I’ll repost it here. Take what wisdon you wish from it. If you believe its some “conspiracy” you have the right to think that too.
I said this long before you ever saw it show up in a Saudi Arabian debate. WE Americans are delusional about our energy costs.
THE NUMBER ONE, absolute reason why we are paying so much for energy is:
Not because the gas station owners are screwing us
Not because the oil refinery owners are screwing us
Not because the people who got crude oil out of the ground are screwing us
Not because we aren’t drilling the ANWAR preserve
Not because we are drilling offshore
Not because the Saudi’s or the Russians or Venezuela won’t sell us more oil
BUT BECAUSE we created this thing call a FUTURES market that allows institutional investors to BUY CRUDE OIL FUTUREs at a speculative (made up or guessed at) future price equivalent to GAMBLING to make even MORE MONEY than something is actually worth, WITH NO INTENT to EVER TAKE DELIVERY of what they buy.
These Brokerage firms have artificially forced the price of crude up as HIGH AS THEY CAN GET IT, JUST LIKE ENRON DID WITH CALIFORNIA ELECTRICITY, so they can make a KILLING if the price goes up OR the price comes down as they CAREFULLY WIT COMPUTER PROGRAMS and “INSIDERS” trade these futures between themselves.
If we, or Congress or the President, had the “BALLs” to make futures trading illegal “tomorrow”, and made it ILLEGAL to buy crude oil unless you actually took physical delivery of it with the intent to REFINE IT, the price of gasoline at the PUMP would be UNDER $2.00 per gallon.
NO-one but the SAUDI’s and a brief discussion in congress last week (totally incoherent, with code words) has to us how ignorant our leadership is to focus on the “production” side, rather than the “demand side and ESPECIALLY the gambling taking place in the futures market, HOLDING 360 million Americans and a significant part of the rest of the world (China, India, etc) HOSTAGE, by the actions of a FEW HUNDRED Brokers!!!!!.
We and the President who railed at nothing else, other than rhethoric to make his buddies richer, should realize that no production increse is ever going to slow down the demand for refined oil by the US, China, Russia, India and the rest of the developing nations with significant emerging energy needs.
Only STOPPING the future market for crude oil (making it illegal), and swithcing to alternative fuels that are sustainable INSIDE the US border, will ever FIX this runaway problem.
The SAUDIs know why the price of oil is high and the value of the US dollar is LOW. They also know this is making HUGE profits for them, and they STILL called us STUPID (”insane and unreasonable” was the phrase I think), because we control most of the GAMBLING and Crude Oil (sold to refinery) prices in FUTURES in NEW YORK.
When will our government ever learn to think rather than our leaders promote their own coveted financial interests.
BTW global warming will happen for every pound of carbon you put into the atmosphere, either from crude, coal, vegetable oil or anything but “solar” ELECTRICAL ENERGY. That is the way out of this mess, every home with a solar panel and every community with a solar panel “farm”, and either STEAM/Electrical hybrids or Steam/Alcohol renewable bio-fuel energy recovery processes. We have the technology, our leaders just don’t have the brains. They still believe there is no global warming as a “new” religious belief. Facts, what are facts?
As the SAUDI’s said, WE are STUPID.
I agree Red Dawn, we should take a look at La Raza and other groups that align along gender, racial, religious and ethnic groups lines that spread hatred and advocate anti-US government militant action.
I’ll do some research, it will take time, it might help if others did too. I only know that La Raza and MWB have political ties and roots to “militant” overthrow organizations in Mexico. We should search for CIA and FBI unclassified info on these groups. You can usually trust the analysts more than the media, as the media is often biased on what the real threats to the country are. I will ask some of my DoD “friends” for “facts” that can be put on this blog.
I can’t believe it Michael, we agree on something, our energy crisis, lets mark this day on our calenders, lest we forget it 🙂
Red Dawn,
I think that is a good idea to post a thread about MWB and La Raza, I’ll try to put something up in the next couple of days, if you don’t see it by Tuesday, remind me that I promised you I would do it!
Red Dawn,
Just a brief search on La Raza, I found this. I think its important to start from a fresh slate and forget all the misinformation that Greg has put out there.
From their website:
Many people incorrectly translate our name, “La Raza,” as “the race.” While it is true that one meaning of “raza” in Spanish is indeed “race,” in Spanish, as in English and any other language, words can and do have multiple meanings. As noted in several online dictionaries, “La Raza” means “the people” or “the community.” Translating our name as “the race” is not only inaccurate, it is factually incorrect. “Hispanic” is an ethnicity, not a race. As anyone who has ever met a Dominican American, Mexican American, or Spanish American can attest, Hispanics can be and are members of any and all races.
Another misconception about NCLR is the allegation that we support a “Reconquista,” or the right of Mexico to reclaim land in the southwestern United States. NCLR has not made and does not make any such claim; indeed, such a claim is so far outside of the mainstream of the Latino community that we find it incredible that our critics raise it as an issue. NCLR has never supported and does not endorse the notion of a “Reconquista” or “Aztlán.” Similarly, NCLR’s critics falsely claim that the statement “Por La Raza todo, Fuera de La Raza nada,” [“For the community everything, outside the community nothing”] is NCLR’s motto. NCLR unequivocally rejects this statement, which is not and has never been the motto of any Latino organization.
Mackie in case I mis-interpreted your words about “killing others” which is Un-American to be an “aggressor” and American to be a “defender” of the weak, oppressed, and innocent. I have a fundamental moral position that we should only kill and fight others using our military when they (the ones who attacked us or our allies) are the agressors, and have threatened our national security and the security of our world-wide allies trying to keep the peace and spread democracy. I keep hearing you say there is something wrong with that. That is why I wonder what you true political objective is. We don’t typically just become antagonizers in the rest of the world, if we do not first have some justifiable fear (supported by scores of US presidential advisors), that our “future” security is also in jeapordy if we fail to “act”. I really think most reasonable people on this blog would agree we need to maintain our national security.
Red Dawn and Elena thanks for the information about La Raza! I feel silly to admit this, but I had assumed that Lou Dobb’s translation of “La Raza” was correct, mostly on account of the letter “R.”
Good research RD, so what is the “real” political objective of La Raza and MWB? I see some very bad stuff on their web sites, mostly hate speech and anti-“majority, pro-latino political rhetoric and desire for power and supremacy other others.
Good research Elena,
Sorry, I’d like to continue more but I need to get some sleep. The truth will set all of us free. The law will also protect us.
Elena, I’ll mark it …grin.. I’ve never been against you personally, you seem have reasonable arguments and a kind heart as do others here. I just sometimes disagree, when you or others seem to go beyond the best solution IMHO, which usually means to me trusting the law and our leadership to do what is best for all of us, unless a whole lot of us have gone “insane” and we need to make major political correction at the risk of destroying our country and ideology. I don’t agree we need that level of conflict yet, simply stay the course of the law.
WHWN,
I like that…’revolving door of minorities to pick on.’ (fist bump!)
The Virginia marriage amendment also seriously impacts heterosexual domestic relationships. I think the entire amendment is so 20th century.
Actually, I think it is a bunch of religious right wing zealots trying to cram their way of life down everyone else’s throat. I expect eventually Virginia’s law will come face to face with a court challenge. There are some issues that just don’t shake down.
Additionally, few people are aware that health care coverage for domestic partners is treated as income for the person whose company is the provider by the IRS. I don’t believe that this is a result of the Virginia marriage amendment but it is an another example of inequity to the non-married.
Michael,
I have learned to not trust the law and our leaders to do what is best for all of us. Laws can be made willy nilly and can just as easily be unmade. Our leaders? I think most politicians are the greatest of all whores. Most are out for their own egos or their own parties. Am I jaded? I suppose so.
I do thank you for your information on energy futures. Do you have a version of futures speculation for dummies you can post?
C-SPAN covered the hearings on futures speculation/energy prices last week…much info. Should be in their archives.
it would be so awesome if KG, and the blog owners could emigrate. Would make this place a whole lot more comfortable to live. they should be ashamed of themselves and they should be ashamed to call themselves american citizens. I’m ashamed that you people live in our beloved country. go to mexico if you want to help them out so much and see what treatment you get.
Ha ha. Elvis, that’s not gonna happen. Get used to it. Just wait until the November elections. I imagine you’re going to be the one wanting to pack a bag.
Thanks Elena,
I will look into somethings too and see what I can find. I agree with Michael’s assessments of the MWB’s website. I think it would be interesting to see what everyone comes up with.
Mackie said yesterday:
“The most important issue concerning the border is that there are very genuine and sincere people who have come to see us as a mortal threat to their faith…probably because that’s exactly how we have been behaving. These people intend to defend their faith at all costs and our wide open border is a open door.”
Well, they wouldn’t be Latino laborers. Using the security argument against that segment is just an excuse to villify.
Also for God’s sake, National Council of La Raza is an advocacy group like the League of United Latin American Citizens and the NAACP, that promotes social and educational opportunities for their constituents. To say they are out to destroy America is silly, and those arguments should be put to rest.