9500Liberty will present a special screening to mark the 1st anniversary of Prince William County’s Immigration Resolution.
Thursday July 10th, 7:00 PM
Casablanca Restaurant 7911 Centreville, RD, Manassas, VA
9500Liberty is cutting together an hour-long presentation featuring recent events, many of which are too politically sensitive to share on YouTube. The screening will challenge some of the misleading rhetoric that has been circulating in recent days and weeks, and will include some surprising footage that could shift Prince William County’s political landscape for the better.
We hope to see you there! Make sure to invite your friends!
“All truths are easy to understand once they are discovered; the point is to discover them”
Galileo
This is exactly why Help Save Herndon broke off all contact with HSM. Help Save Herndon wanted to ensure that Herndon Tax Dollars were not spent in building a Day Labor Center, they also wanted our police force to be granted 287g certification. They made their point and got their way. But when the time came to merge with other “Help Save” groups to make one giant Help Save Virginia/Maryland/DC alliance, they declined.
You see, HSM makes NO APPOLOGIES for wanting Homosexuals and Muslims to follow all Mexicans right out the door! And if they can’t get the government to do it, they’ll usurp the government and do it themselves.
Help Save Herndon was more motivated by kicking the Illegal Immigrants out of Herndon to keep the housing prices high, neighborhoods clean and market competitive, but Greg’s Master Plan is much more in debth.
He want’s PWC to have a Fairfax style economy without the Fairfax style diversity. He’s trying to turn PWC into a Ultra Conservative Utopia, a selective Christian Value community where his government puppets can reject any motion to build a Mosque or Mexican Resturant, a place where minoritys will feel unconfortable living, so will altogether KEEP OUT.
All of us agree that we need Immirgation reform NOW. We all have diffrent opinions on what to do with the Illegal Immigrants who are already here, but for the love of G-D we must not cave in to militant minded despotism! PWC is part of North Virginia, and NOVA did not become the envy of all Virginia through denying culteral diversity and individual rights. I look around my campus now and I see people from all over the world working as a team and learning from each other. Greg does not want that, he want’s all of us to drop our values and cultures and conform to this Anglo-American principal system he envisions as being absolute truth. But even if you deny your heritage, speak perfect English (whatever that is) and act the way Greg want’s you to act, will you ever really be a “Real American” to him? Or would you be someone of lower race who should be humored but will never be “Equal” with the “Master?”
“You see, HSM makes NO APPOLOGIES for wanting Homosexuals and Muslims to follow all Mexicans right out the door!”
Rod, I believe you, but where’s the proof?
The BVBL posts on Homosexuals and Muslims implies enough, if the other’s did not like it, they woulden’t stand with Greg on that. The comments he racks up from his members show the mindset clearly, and a lot of his information follows the logic lines of American Rennasiance articles.
There is some greater proof, but it involves the personal lives of some HSH members, and I’m not going to give Greg’s minions ammunition for personal attacks by posting it here.
rod2155,
I saw your animation work on your channel. Very good! Would like to throw out an idea for an animation, “The Emperor Has No Clothes,” starring Corey Stewart. And if you do it, please post it on YouTube.
Just Cause, I was not rude to you. Frankly, if I had been, it would have been fairly justified because you have come to this blog trying to stir up stuff and you have name called.
As for your outting….you confirmed it. This is a modern day Hansel and Gretel story. You left a trail of bread crumbs that lead right to who you were. No high tech stuff at all.
As to the topic, I again suggest you go to Mrs. Cheney’s blog. She has researched the topic and has invited people to speak about it. If you go to Raising Kaine Blog, I believe you can start your own thread.
Now if you want to come here and try to get along with people and discuss topics without calling the regulars names, here is your chance. On this thread, join the discussion at hand. Or …ask if anyone wants to discuss something.
For the record, people who know me do not feel they cannot disagree with me. Most of them do it politely though. Listen to Juturna. Good manners will always win in the end.
I think Corey is the worst thing that’s happened to our county.
I agree, NotGregLetiecq. I can’t think of a bigger weasel that we’ve had for Chairman. His strength was in campaigning, not in solving problems – particularly big problems, some of which are his creation. I’m not so certain we weren’t better off with the old system where the chairman was chosen by the Board rather than through the election process as it is now. It minimized some of the politics and allowed the Board to concentrate more on solving problems.
rod2155-
WOW….and now HSM is hating on Muslims and homosexuals..thats some accusations but i want the proof, Why did you BRING this up if you have NO plans in providing the proof??? Just like Corey at 7-11…Wheres the proof..
WTF is a MINION!!!!!!!!
Minion – 1 : a servile dependent, follower, or underling
Chris clearly had, and still has one goal, to improve her community. I believe her good intentions were hijacked for political gain and personal fame. She is not the only one that has left HSM, I personally know of others that also found Greg and his “war plan” very disconcerting and have subsequently left. Chris should be commended for her independence and determination to move foward. For those still mired in HSM, your choice to stay, but don’t put Chris down because she made a brave decision to leave.
Actually, I don’t think I could have said it any better. Chris should be commended for her actions not condemned.
http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/06/20/what-would-gay-pride-combat-veterans-wear-for-uniforms/
No sir, Greg respects ALL people, Riiiiiiiggggghhhtttt!
Where did you see anyone putting Chris down? My goodness gracious – where do you come up with this stuff? So if we ask Chris questions, that is somehow putting her down?
And thanks, Alanna – for the definition of “minion” – I see how it fits VERY well with the 9500Liberty crowd and the regs on this blog. Thanks again for the clarification!
I am still pondering…what IS a legal tax evader?
I also want to clarify, this is a public screening, so everyone is welcome, yes, even HSM members. We want the truth to be seen by everyone! All we expect is that everyone be cordial to one another, no matter where we fall on the spectrum of beliefs regarding immigration, we should all be civil and respectful. I will be unable to attend, but my hope is that people will find some new common ground Thurday.
Just look under the Greg’s Faisal Gil section for his and his minions ideas about Muslim Americans, though they would never concede that a Muslim can be an American.
So STW, your in HSM, do you believe that Hispanics are genetically prone to be criminals? Do you believe there is a conspiracy between Mexicans and Muslim terrorists to take over America?
I ask this to a lot of your camp members, yet they never answer?
Here is the irony…The minions on this blog had some not so cheerful words for Chris back when she was a member of HSM…and now ( according to Elena) she made the BRAVE decision to leave…Everyone is praising her and gaining a whole NEW opinion on what she stands for…Talk about HYPOCRISY!!!!
Wow! I’ve been missing out! Work and life is still keeping me too busy to check in and comment. STW, I think the references to “putting Chris down” were her own references to intimidating calls and e-mails she has received from former “friends” simply because she has chosen to go down a different path than continuing to follow the circle buddies.
Just Cause, what happened to you? I don’t remember you being so filled with venom a few months ago. In fact, I thought you actually had a moment of clarity and maybe even compassion when you realized what my family’s situation was a few months ago. This issue affects REAL people with REAL families who pay taxes, are not criminals and are productive and giving members of this society. Not ALL “illegals” are rapists, criminals, murderers, day laborers or tax evading scum bag parasites as some like to portray.
make that “You are in HSM”
Explain the hypocrisy, Just Cause. Many of us had issues with HSM’s method of solving neighborhood problems…by focusing on immigrants’ legal status. If Chris espoused HSM’s line, that is where the problem was…not with Chris herself. Chris has seen fit to focus on getting the actual problems in her neighborhood resolved and seen better results than by using HSM’s chest-beating about immigration status.
rod2155, Please know what you are talking about before you write. Who said HSM wants “Homosexuals and Muslims to follow all Mexicans right out the door!”? I am sick of your lies.
NotGL, I am more critical of Corey Stewart than anyone here pretty much. In fact, I think I’ve even outdone you in the past! But let’s face it, we are stuck with him until 2011. And the county is better off if he stops taking his cues from Gospel Greg and HSM.
I guess in my word choice, I’m trying to send him a message. My priority is the best interest of the county, but KGotthardt has it right when she says that Chairman Stewart cares more about his own hide. I’m speaking his language by saying it would be a good career move to divorce himself from the vigilante extremists of the county and start mending bridges.
rod2155- What??
Twinad- Im still me, same views, just different on how we get there….your an exception and I agree and others in your same situation would call for amnesty..but I base my opinions on personal experiences…
To Censored bybvbl, 7. July 2008, 15:46 ..
Anyone who dare disagrees with you is subjected to your bantering..Whats the hypocrisy you say?? The minute you found out she is no longer with HSM, the welcome committee was there to greet ( the same people who ” pounced on her” last week) so please stop playing ignorant..I’m getting bored….
I am NOT with HSM but rather an independent…. sooo…when do I get my welcome basket or Brave button???
Loudoun, 7. July 2008, 12:03
After your negative posts/comments about Corey, John, the resolution, HSM, the day laborers, and Neighborhood Watch, we know which side you are on now.
Allison,
I don’t recall making negative comments about Corey, John or the resolution. Please, show them to me. I have made negative comments about ALL of the supervivors not wanting to keep the Senior Day Care open in Manassas. What’s negative in ones mind may not be negative to another. I speak from the heart and call ’em like *I* see ’em. As far as the NW I do have some problems with that “competition” I heard about, and I’m not speaking of what I read here on the blog either. I feel I am a reasonable, rational, and fair minded individual. I am not comfortable with radical behavior in any way. I simply will not align myself with such “associates”. Radical behavior will only make the county look very ugly to some that maybe considering moving to OUR native county.
BVBL IS NOT part of HSM.
Alana- I am always respectful if the same courtesy is put forth to me. I will come and mind my own business, watch 9500 liberty’s film and then leave. I bet you and I could even carry on a civil conversation with each other.
Who said HSM wants “Homosexuals and Muslims to follow all Mexicans right out the door!”?
Anon-100, that is the main reason HSM needs to separate itself from Greg Letiecq. Greg, if he had any politcial smarts, would have dropped that blog once he became president of HSM. Otherwise the organization is going to be tarred by his views…which are pretty extreme. He should have chosen one or the other but not both if he wanted the best for that organization. It’s not enough to announce, “I’m now wearing my HSM president’s hat.” His prejudices are out there for all to see…followed by a bunch of “yeah, Buddy!” from his dittoheads.
Just Cause, 7. July 2008, 15:58
Who “pounced” on me last week?
I never got a welcome message when I came on as Chris. So, why do feel a welcome basket is due to you? I heard many radicals called out by names at Citizens’ Time. However, I was NEVER one of them. Hmm.. I guess even when those that saw had a differing view understood I was NOT a radical. I have enough of my own stories to tell with the issues I’ve dealt with. I never needed anyone to give me talking points. I can speak just fine for myself.
anon-100,
You could carry on a conversation with Alanna, and I’m sure Allison could too. Would you say that same thing for others? I’m not looking to fight here. Just asking a question, because I am curious. I personally don’t think many others have that capability.
Just Cause, since you addressed me, back up your statements with facts. My go-rounds with Chris at BVBL were about neighbors needing to address the community problems as a community. And that’s actually what she’s done.
I think it’s fittin all know that censored and I went a few rounds a time or two on bvbl. Yet, we remained respectful, and had no problem in agreeing on some issues. I read somewhere earlier we should stop reading the blogs and get busy doing something. It is very possible to read and write on the blogs, address the board, and get out on the streets pick up trash and pass along Neighborhood Service info with neighbors. I feel this is POSITIVE thing for all. I just wish there were more positive stuff goin on in our community. Enough of the negativity, lack of respect, name calling, bullying, etc. We all live here, and need to work together for the common good of our county. If you are not willing to act in a positive light, then I say move on. Those that truly care will be here for generations to come. We have four living generations of my family in the City of Manassas and in PWC. I don’t think some wanting to change our county lately have the right to waltz in here and make change to suit THEIR AGENDA is needed. Last time I checked this county did just fine without all of the “johnny come lately’s to PWC”. It must have been attractive to these folks at some point they did move here, didn’t they. Hmm. Did go to hell with their arrival?
BVBL is not HSM is simply a matter of sematics. Perception is reality.
Just Cause, I have never heard anyone who is a regular here trash Chris. You are welcome to poke around and find it if you like but I don’t think it is here.
To all, I came in on the tail end of all of this. I felt Chris was under attack. Perhaps that was not the intent of her supposed attackers. I believe she knows that most of us here who might be considered regulars have her back.
Contrary to popular opinion, this blog is not part of a group. Most of us don’t all agree with each other. As long as we have good manners, we can agree where we agree and disagree where we disagree. No bad feelings.
Chris hasn’t changed her ideology one iota that I am aware of. She still works the community and with those whose job it is to keep our communities clean, safe, and with the best quality of life possible. Perhaps she has seen the political dishonesty in this county and choses not to associate with it. Perhaps also she found that the people she had been told her her enemies had more in common with her than she realized and wanted the same things she did: What is best for Prince William County.
MH, my sense is most of us don’t really know one another per say. I only met you, Twinad and Censored one time. I’ve met Elena twice and Alanna maybe four or five times. Other than that, I don’t know who the rest of the people in here are.
People think posters on this blog are some kind of group like HSM and obviously, that is not the case. When we get up to speak at Citizen’s Time, we don’t say, “I’m a member of Anti-BVBL.” We don’t wear a red circle of doom, either.
I forgot–I did meet Marie a couple of times, but I haven’t seen her in here lately.
KG,
You make an excellent point. Most of us don’t know each other well. Many people assume we are a club. How about a red circle with a line through it? I’m sorry, I couldn’t resist. You are right. We don’t wear the red circle of doom.
Funny how many false perceptions are out there. What I think needs to come through loud and clear is that this blog started as a result of so many of us not being allowed to post on bvbl–not because we were impolite but because of our opinions. Some of us were banned outright and others spent their time in moderation. Perhaps some of those who are ‘visitors’ from there need to hear exactly how many folks were thrown off. Anyone want to count off? I was only put in moderation. Krustis was bannished but she is not here. Neeexxxttttt…..
MH, right you are about the comments on bvbl.
This got deleted..
C******** said on 21 Feb 2008 at 7:59 am: This really could’ve been a great thread. We don’t all see things the exact same, we are individual human beings. All of these “tough guys” just simply choose to act like a bunch of bratty kids and wannabe bullies. Honestly, to start name calling is just simply unbelievable. I agree debating is a good thing, however name calling and bragging about “getting the last laugh” what a bunch of BS.
I would suggest some of you simply GROW UP! You all are grown “men”, right?
Wow. I’ve got to give Eric some credit here. He schedules another party, makes not-to-discreet suggestions about some “surprising” footage, and he’s got everyone abuzz. I wouldn’t go near that party with a 10-foot pole. Hiding in the bushes secretly filming people who are exercising their free-speech rights, then cutting and pasting to suit one’s own slant, is not newsmaking; it is cowardice, pure and simple.
I thought the purpose of these “parties” was to support businesses that are suffering because they apparently were dependent on an illegal-immigrant clientele. Has the press been notified of this groundbreaking presentation?
Doesn’t anyone here feel even the slightest bit manipulated by this nonsense?
Then it should be no surprise that those who got continually deleted and censored went somewhere else in cyberland where that didn’t happen. Seriously, Greg has one person to blame for the slow-down on bvbl and that is himself. He chose to censor what people said, not how they said it. And that is his right. He owns the blog.
It should not be a great shock though that we all congregated here. And I think by and large, people are more respectful of each other. I do not see the rampant bullying here that I saw there. That is not to say there isn’t some room for improvement here though.
My personal feeling is that it is mostly good ole boys left over there who love their politics of guns, God and gays. Who was it that questioned that they want rid of gays? That was a joke wasn’t it? Check out some of the threads.
What was most revealing was the phrasing of the announcement:
“9500Liberty is CUTTING together an hour-long presentation featuring recent events,”
Cutting? Could not have been a Freudian slip now, could it?
Emma – BINGO!
Emma, I don’t feel manipulated. I was gone during the heat of the day and am just now catching up.
Have you met Eric? I can promise you he would be very respectful of your privacy. I know you had planned to go to one of the parties. If you would like to meet me there, I promise you won’t appear on the front page of the newspaper. I am also not an ax murderer.
The purpose of the parties first off was social. Secondly, restaurants were targeted who were struggling, not necessarily because of illegal immigrants leaving, but because the economy in Pr Wm Co sucks. We also had mini economic recovery meetings/get togethers at an establishment that was about as far from illegal immigration as you can get, yet was still struggling. (unless you consider Seattle, Wa a foreign country ;))
If you don’t want to watch the film(s) you don’t have to. It is still a fun get-together.
Interesting. We are all talking about cutting, in one form or another.
MH, you are a lot of fun to talk to, and I would love to meet you sometime (sans ax,please 🙂 But I don’t want to add to the numbers and thus help to feed the ego of someone who skulks around “secretly” filming people, cutting and pasting and then using the content to smear them. Why doesn’t he come out into the open when he is filming people who are concerned about the effects of illegal immigration? And why is there never recognition of their freedom-of-assembly rights? There is no integrity to his methods,and one could see it as a form of harassment.
Anon-100,
Just for clarification, there is Elena and Alanna. Elena wrote the response about coming to the 9500Liberty event and being cordial to each other. I second her post but we are two different people. Oh, and the founder of Unity in the Community is Ilyana. It’s a real blast when we all get together. 🙂
Alanna, I would probably have to just say ‘Hey You’ if I were in the presence of Alanna, Elena, Ilyana. Geez.
Emma, perhaps we can shoot for a mini economic recovery party. Those are a little different.
While I don’t agree with you about your take on Eric’s demeanor, it is certainly your right to feel as you do. I wasn’t at the 7-11 and so I didn’t see what really happened. However, I do know the lay of the land out that way and I question whether he was standing out of the way so he could film without visual disruption or sculking in the bushes. He has no reason to hide in the bushes. Hiding his cameras would be like hiding an 800 pound gorilla. They are definitely not the little purse size video cameras.
I guess I am trying to say I think he is getting a bad rap. I have found him to be a sociable, decent, thoughtful person who listens as well as he speaks. I can think of no person who has tried harder to find the positive side of Corey Stewart.
I wish you would reconsider and base your opinion on first hand information rather than on what others have said. I know *I* certainly have changed my point of view. However, as I said, I will respect your opinion not to go.
You guys are bombarding this thread so fast I can’t keep up. I sort of miss the days when the Hate Bunnies were still going to Gospel Greg’s blog. But Alanna and Elena, congratulations for stealing Gospel Greg’s audience and creating a forum where free speech is allowed and ideas are freely exchanged without threats or hatred.
WhyHereWhyNow, 7. July 2008, 18:47
“…..where free speech is allowed and ideas are freely exchanged without threats or hatred.”
But where name calling is still allowed…..hate bunnies, Gospel Greg, white supremisists….
BVBL is tame compared to this place….you all need to take a look in the mirror.
stw,
There’s no comparison between the two blogs. Anti has been free, open and uncensored, the ‘name calling’ has been very tame in comparison. I could give you a laundry list of examples from BVBL but I think you’d come up with an excuse for the bad behavior exhibited there.
stw, I have looked at both places. I beg to differ. The attacks on individuals is not as great. Just look at the people who have been mimicked and have been the subject of ridicule: Sharon Pandek, that democrat lady who is called Woody Allen on bvbl, Obama, McCain, Charlie Deane, just to name a few. Somehow Gospel Greg seems a little mild compared to the people who have been attacked on bvbl.
I think it depends on one’s perspective.
Guess who’s BACK after trying for the trillionth time to quit this…..
I have to jump in and say that FROM the VERY, VERY beginning, even when I was a HSM member ( nothing wrong and not knocking that) I have ALWAYS, ALWAYS received, R.E.S.P.E.C.T from Eric and Annabel get to know them, it will do you good!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ALWAYS, ALWAYS, ALWAYS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Ok,
Here is the song for jumping back in…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oEbhA73xIPo
and to Eric and Annabel
This is 4 u 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C6C83lwwxJ8
AND
4 u CHRIS 🙂
MISS. INDEPENDENT ( another song…LOL)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B8MvNJgm2jI
I have seen Eric take the time to speak with GL. Eric was polite and kind, as he has always been during citizen time. He has more patience than I ever could!
Hope to make it to this show. Keeping my fingers crossed….