It is time now, time to move towards community solutions for Prince William County. I have said this before, we will not fix the immigration reform debate from a local standpoint. There are many diverse views on illegal immigration AND immigration, but at some point, we have to come together and find what will work in our own communities, our own neighborhoods. Let’s use this thread to talk about community solutions, ones that WE can implement here, in Prince William County, solutions that will unite us as opposed to divide us. Part of the solution must involve the Latino community, so I hope that people will come up with some innovative ideas. Please, I urge everyone, leave the name calling behind and instead, focus on positive solutions. Some of the issues that need to be addressed are day laborer sites and a more dignified location for people to look for work, overcrowding issues, language barriers, community healing, immigration education, and a host of other issues that need to be addressed. I know I haven’t named them all, so please, feel free to add to the issues and solutions within the thread. I am hoping this will foster some great dialogue and bring us out of a “cyber world” and into “real life” idea implementation!
From Cindy B on a previous thread:
If you want to do more than just debate, take part in a webinar being hosted by the Center for Voter Deliberation of No Va (www.cvdnva.org) on July 9 from 6:30 to 7:30 pm.
This fall the Center plans to convene one or two pilot circles, of up to twenty people each, for an afternoon on one or more Saturdays in October. The goal for the pilot circle(s) will be to attract a diverse group of Prince William County participants, i.e., to include people who have concerns about the problems of immigration from the immigrant and non-immigrant sides, and who seek a way to discuss and do something about those problems.
So either register for the webinar if you’d like to be in on the planning, or go to the website to leave an e-mail that you’d like to be in the pilot study circles in the fall. The more diverse the viewpoints, the more valuable the study circles will be.
I, too, have met a number of legal immigrants who are angered when people jump the line–people who have had relatives waiting for YEARS to come from African countries, Europe, you name it. Legal immigrant and American-born Latinos I work with are largely OPPOSED to a blanket amnesty, and they have expressed disgust when they see Mexican and Salvadorean flags gracing homes and cars and being held by illegal-immigrant demonstrators demanding their “rights”.
Leila, maybe they just want to be citizens, plain and simple, because they want our way of life, not because they are “angered.” That is nothing but conjecture on your part.
Emma, Scholars and think tanks have studied the phenomenon both in terms of new citizenship application and, as important, increases in voting and voting patterns. Do you really think nobody has done polls on this issue among Hispanics, both citizens (and therefore potential voters) and legal residents? This is the farthest thing from conjecture. I can find the data if you want it. If you will promise to read it. Here’s an easy source. Google Pew Hispanic Research Center. Go to the site and click on Politics. Then click on the Dec 2007 report entitled
2007 National Survey of Latinos: As Illegal Immigration Issue Heats Up, Hispanics Feel a Chill
That is one individual data set. There are plenty. I am happy to direct you to sources across the political spectrum that will back up what I said with survey and other data.
PS to Emma. You might also want to check out what the advisors on Hispanic affairs for McCain and Obama talk about on shows like the New Hour tonight. And when I said “across the political spectrum,” I should have also mentioned the academic spectrum too. This is extremely well studied and not just in terms of recent events. See the research on Prop 187 in California for example.
correction News Hour (PBS)
Pew Hispanic Research Center? Now there’s an unbiased source I can sink my teeth into, Leila. Next you’ll be directing me to the SPLC website. Never mind what REAL people–neighbors, friends and coworkers–are experiencing. Let’s look at some cooked numbers from biased sources.
Of course illegal Hispanics feel more “vulnerable,” as the report states. They are breaking the law! “They are about twice as likely as Hispanic citizens to worry about deportation.” Well, duh, that’s enlightening. Why would a LEGAL Hispanic worry about deportation?
I think you might want to look a little more closely at your sources before you use them to make your point. If you read carefully, you would have seen this:
Hardly sounds like fear and oppression to me.
The survey was conducted by phone to 2,003 Hispanc adults, with no indication of how they knew whether any of them–or how many of them–were illegal.
You didn’t think I would read it, did you?
This is the first time I have been buried with over 100 comments before I even clicked on a thread! Congrats again on your success everyone. This blog has really been a community effort. If the same leadership and the same community spirit can be transferred from the virtual to the actual world, we can meet the challenges we face as we come a more diverse community without the politicization of hate-mongering and scapegoating.
I have been on the fence about government sponsored day laborer sites, but the idea of having churches sponsor the sites is outstanding. If ever there was a time when we needed the strength and wisdom of our religous community, this is the time. Rob2155 thanks so much for sharing your experiences from Herndon! We will all be so much better off if neighboring communities can learn from one another. In the modern era, they don’t even have to be neighbors! I am not an expert on this issue, but from reading this thread I would like to throw my support to the solution-oriented minds like Rob2155, Chris and KGotthardt.
I’m glad to see that, for the most part, the Hate Bunnies have not contributed their usual droppings to this thread. It’s helpful to hear the thoughts of those who resist solutions such as Rick Bentley Who Has Not Thought Things Through and Just Cause, and analyze what they offer instead (more reasons to be angry).
We need to take such people into account as we move forward as a county and as a country. Although their numbers are dwindling and their talking points are swiftly being disproved and dismissed (especially on this blog but also in mainstream public opinion), we should not cause them to feel ignored or disenfranchised. If we make this mistake, the Order of the Red Circle will have some new recruits … and the percentage of people willing to devote their energies to discord, disunity, and hateful rhetoric will go back to 2007 levels.
Quick Note: Spent time in West Virginia over the Fourth of July holiday weekend, and they think Prince William County is backwards. So, you know it’s bad.
That’s hilarious. Emma thinks the PEW Hispanic Research Center is not to be believed because it has the word “Hispanic” in it! LOL!
The term “Mexican food” has the word “Mexican” in it, Emma, does that mean you won’t eat a taco?
You are very amusing Emma. First you damn the source, the Pew Center, then you use its data to support your argument. Can you spell disingenuous?
However you ignore everything but that graph. I am very glad you read it. Then you must have read all the other statistics in the study such as:
“Just over half of all Hispanic adults in the U.S. worry that they, a family member or a close friend could be deported, a new nationwide survey of Latinos by the Pew Hispanic Center has found. Nearly two-thirds say the failure of Congress to enact an immigration reform bill has made life more difficult for all Latinos.”
There was also information about the differing attitudes of those who were citizens and those who were not.
There are also several other reports on the same site specifically about voting behavior, which means citizens.
FAIR uses data from Pew, as do others. However if for some reason you think they are wholly biased, I am happy to provide other sources for you, including other think tanks, polls, academics, and news articles. The point is that it wasn’t “conjecture” as you claimed. You just now choose not to accept it.
Also, what makes you think I or others here don’t have friends or family members of Hispanic origin who are citizens and who discuss their concerns about issues? Or are only the ones you talk to right?
I noticed another funny from Emma. Her latest contribution to the ever-stagnant list of Official Reasons To Be Angry is (drum roll please) … flags that are not our American flag. Thanks Emma, we hadn’t heard that one….
You know, I ate lunch at an Italian restaurant today and they had the NERVE to display an Italian flag in broad daylight outside the restaurant on a permanent flag pole! I guess the progenitors of the Hate Bunnies were right tha Italian immigrants (W.O.P.’s) would never assimilate and could never be good Americans. There are dozens of ways to advertise Italian food without insulting America. We should resurrect the Hate Bunnies from the 19th century ASAP. … Right Emma?
WHWN, what you said is completely asinine. I said no such thing. Stop lying.
Bring it On, exactly why is West Virginia “backwards”? I’d love to hear your stereotypes.
Another gem from WHWN. You’re not really reading, are you?
Leila, my point was that you are picking out what you want to hear and leaving the rest, and to show you that I could do the same if I chose. It’s a question of credibility.
And where did I say no one else here has Hispanic friends or family that they talk to? Are you simply speed-reading and guessing, or are you just choosing to put words in my mouth?
Spoken like a true revisionist Emma. You said my claim was pure conjecture, which means I had no evidence for what I claimed. You appear to have forgotten you said that. It is seriously amusing that you speak of credibility.
I didn’t pick and choose anything. I mentioned an entire report, and I mentioned in the context of a site with lots of other reports that anyone going there would immediately see. The graph you chose didn’t contradict anything I have said anywhere. I didn’t use the terms “fear and oppression.” You did. I said the immigration issue has become a major catalyst for political mobilization for Hispanics in the United States.
The reason both parties are intent on wooing the Hispanic vote is because it is mobilized like never before and this issue is key in key states.
I will say this though. Since both candidates have opposed mass deportation or other draconian measures. And since both are for a path to legalization, the issue has gone down quite a bit in importance for Hispanic voters since the early primary season.
But since McCain has already done a bit of a flip flop to appease the famous base, things may change yet again. I’m waiting for the debates.
Leila, you are the one who is selectively reading and talking in circles, and YOU seem to have forgotten my initial point. Elvis was wondering why Elena felt the need to defend the Hispanic community. I also observed that Hispanics living in this community don’t seem to be cowering in fear, but going about their business. You did not initially cite your “studies” when you made your 21:12 comment, and that is why I said that it was “conjecture” on your part.
Perhaps Hispanics are mobilizing, but it does not appear to be out of fear and persecution, and the studies you cite have mixed results and the samples are fairly small You can pull out anything you want from your studies to fulfill your need to be right, however. I would never deny you the right to do so. I am much more interested in the experiences of real people in the community I live in.
Still haven’t answered my question, BIO. What exactly did you mean by that?
I’m afraid you have not provided any evidence whatsoever to doubt the Pew or any other study, nor have you explained why their polling techniques are inaccurate or differ from the polling techniques of any other researchers. But that’s fine. No problem. It is good you are interested in the experiences of real people in your community because based on reading this blog, bvbl, other blogs, and the English- and Spanish-language news media, there are many in your community who object strongly to the policies of your BOCS.
Frankly, I didn’t feel any need to cite studies in my first statement because what I was saying was so patently obvious. I didn’t realize it would come as shock to you that a majority of Hispanic citizens and legal resident aliens would be opposed to your views on illegal immgration.
But back to solutions.
The question was asked, where are all the hispanic voices? I heard them loud and clear October 16. 12-13 hours worth of their voices. I am sure they feel their voices fell on deaf ears.
Mr. Fernandez of ‘The Sign’ fame is speaking out loud and clear. I think many people are at least hearing him. They were sure sending up smoke signals today over there at 9500 Liberty. I am not sure what it was all about but something was cooking and I don’t mean on the many bbq grills I saw smoking.
Oh, their voices are out there.
Leila:
Emma, this is absolutely true. It is no longer a discussion about immigration policy (not like the Republican party ever intended to have a discussion). The debate has been deliberately transformed by the Republican Party into a forum where bigotry can be openly expressed and encouraged under the transparent excuse of ‘enforcing the law’. I have been physically assaulted and threatened with physical assault multiple times over the past few years simply for being Latino and speaking Spanish. That’s not even counting the glaring bigotry inherent in telling people they have to speak English, the endless harping on crimes that some immigrants commit as if all are criminals, passing resolutions to expel a whole group of people that violate the concept of innocent until proven guilty, etc., etc.
This is a knock-down, drag-out, bar-fight now.
Elvis,
Taking another cheap shot at Elena I see. Hmmm…must be that crush. Elena was ‘put in touch with Corey Stewart’ because of her environmental activism? If memory serves me right, she held a fund raiser for him at her home. It seems to me that he should be indebted to her. I feel certain the same courtesy would NOT be extend to him today.
It’s time to give it a rest and stop singling out individuals here to pick at. People’s children are clearly off limits. Argue the issues and leave the personal claptrap out of it.
Elvis,
First of all, don’t you dare tell me what kind of mother I should be, you have sunk to new lows and this will be my last interaction with you. When I said I wish I could go back to “saving trees” I meant it. But people like you, refusing to see the holitsic paradigm with immigration have required people of all different backgrounds to speak out. I am invloved because people like you brought hate and division to my community, instilled fear, allowed prejudice to grow, and wasted MY tax dollars that should have gone to other programs. You want to know why I became involved in immigration, here is why. BTW, Advocator is Robert Duecaster, the man who actually wrote our first anti immigration policy for MY county. Don’t tell me I have no interest in what happens in my county, it affects us all, and I will NOT stand idly by and allow people like this to influence my government, not now, not ever! We should all care about what happens in our community, whether it affects us personally or not, sorry you are so selfish Elvis that you simply care about yourself. My faith teaches me otherwise. I have always expressed empathy for the issues that people were dealing with in their neighborhoods, I believed, and still do, the resolution was not the way to solve these problems.
1. Advocator said on 31 Jan 2008 at 1:48 pm:
My scientific background tells me that before we accept any conclusion regarding this observation we should investigate whether or not illegal aliens have a preferred breeding season that would account for the variation.
2. MachoMex said on 31 Jan 2008 at 4:28 pm:
Advocator said on 31 Jan 2008 at 1:48 pm:
we should investigate whether or not illegal aliens have a preferred breeding season
24/7
1. jfk1 said on 24 Oct 2007 at 9:38 am:
All Saints School in Manassas also had a case. The parents were notified on Monday, but this has not made the media either. The school is taking steps, but the classrooms are still being used at night for ESL classes. The principal has not been clear about whether the classrooms actually get cleaned before or after the “extracurricular” uses of the rooms at night.
2. monticup said on 24 Oct 2007 at 10:23 am:
Michael Savage, a PhD in epidiology from Berkeley, believes this is related to illegal immigration from Mexico and Central America. It is something to consider.
3. AWCheney said on 24 Oct 2007 at 12:42 pm:
“The school is taking steps, but the classrooms are still being used at night for ESL classes. The principal has not been clear about whether the classrooms actually get cleaned before or after the “extracurricular” uses of the rooms at night.”
This begs the question…do the other schools where the infection has occurred also have ESL classes at night and are they cleaned before those classes rather than after? Before someone jumps in here and calls me racist, I believe it’s a valid question, particularly if that might be the only thing that the schools in question have in common.
4. Anon said on 24 Oct 2007 at 8:50 pm:
Illegal aliens that I have seen have very poor hygiene habits, and antibiotics are available without a prescription in Mexico and central America which would exacerbate the problem. Where ever it is coming from, something needs to be done and soon.
5. The Patriot (Got E-Verify?) said on 25 Oct 2007 at 9:33 am:
I would recommend that all institutions that hold ESL classes (churches, schools, etc.) be contacted to have tables/chairs and anything else thoroughly cleaned immediately following such classes.
1. Anonymous said on 29 Oct 2007 at 10:04 am:
I found “Turn PW Blue’s” comment at 9:24 particularly elucidating. Up until now I could not understand why the “educational” community was not entirely behind our efforts to repel this invasion of parasites. Now it’s clear. For each parasite, the school gets some chump change to use as it sees fit. For a classroom of 20 ESOL studs, they get $60K (for your dimocrats, that’s 20 X $3000). They hire an ESOL teacher at $40K, and that leaves them $20 K to play with. They think they’re making money on them.
1. “Dave in PWC said on 26 Mar 2008 at 9:27 am:
CoM,
I drive that way every day to work and back home, I know there are police there a couple mornings/evenings every week. I’m glad they are there, I’ve seen a few drag races on that road in the past when I get off work late at night. Usually souped up Hondas with wings added on. Go figure.
I’m thinking that maybe this raid is having another effect. This morning instead of the usual 25-30 kids waiting at the K-6 bus stop, there were only around 8 kids this morning, the “usual suspects” were missing. Not a brown face at the stop. So the grass didn’t get watered either… Hope we get a little rain today to make up for it.”
1. LoyalPatron42 said on 21 May 2008 at 1:21 am:
This s**t makes me mad!! tim kaine (he does not deserve to have his name capitalized), the Commonwealth of Virginia, and the police are NOT doing their jobs. What kind of services are we getting? None!! Why not stop someone whom you suspect as being an illegal alien and run a name or call INS or ICE?? Do the job we ‘hired’ you to and pay you to do damn it !!
[Ed note: comment edited, although I do understand the sentiment here.]
1. MP Resident said on 21 May 2008 at 5:48 pm:
One of the MP city council members waxed eloquent about how it’s so nice that the Hispanic children all know their grandparents, and their great grandparents, etc.
Well, let’s think about this a minute.
Let’s assume for the sake of argument that each generation gives birth at age 15. This seems to be a typical figure based on stats that I have seen.
At age 30, you’re a grandparent (and probably having another baby of your own while your daughter is pregnant with her own)
At age 45, you’re a great-grandparent.
At age 60, you’re a great-great grandparent.
At age 75, you’re a great, great, great grandparent.
Ahh, the miracles of teenage pregnancy…allowing 6 generations of the same family to live under the same roof at the same time: child, parent, grandparent, great-grandparent, great-great grandparent, great-great-great grandparent.
1. Keep Fighting Until They’re All GONE said on 25 Apr 2008 at 7:45 am:
http://www.crisis-partners.com/bio.html
Is this why Principi loves the Latinos? Did he marry one? His wife certainly looks like one…now I’m getting it…
1. Advocator said on 25 Apr 2008 at 11:39 am:
Madmom: You state, “I totally blame the illegal aliens that have invaded our great country on the housing downturn and the mess our economy is in right now.” You should blame them a little, for violating our sovereign Nation’s borders by hiding in a car trunk, trekking across the desert, wading across a river, or by overstaying their visas. However, the real culprits in this whole affair are the felonious employers who hire the illegals and the do-nothing politicians at the federal level (Frank Wolf and Tom Davis in this area), who are either too scared or too indebted to the felonious employers to do anything. You are correct that the housing/economic debacle is directly related to the Illegal Invasion, but the blame for the Invasion lies at the feet of our own traitorous countrymen.
1. Principi Loves Illegals said on 25 Apr 2008 at 12:58 pm:
It’s no wonder that Principi wants to rescind the Rule of Law Resolution when the parents of his Peruvian wife are illegal aliens living in Fairfax County. Too bad voters in Woodbridge weren’t told about this before they elected this disaster onto the board of supervisors…
Anonymous said on 25 Apr 2008 at 2:15 pm:
Principi Loves Illegals said on 25 Apr 2008 at 12:58 pm:
It’s no wonder that Principi wants to rescind the Rule of Law Resolution when the parents of his Peruvian wife are illegal aliens living in Fairfax County. Too bad voters in Woodbridge weren’t told about this before they elected this disaster onto the board of supervisors…
1. park’d said on 13 Jul 2007 at 10:15 am:
If I had it my way the women WOULD be denied medical care and education. They can get their lazy a$$es to work and pay for it themselves, stop having babies they can’t afford or go back to their home country; and this goes for women AND men from ANY country in the world who are here illegally. Why should I have to pay for any of these bums when they don’t contribute anything back to society? All these people do is take, take, take and then when we say no more, they have the audacity to actually throw a fit over it. There is no gray area here. There is only right and wrong. Round ‘em up, send ‘em back.
2. Anonymous said on 13 Jul 2007 at 10:26 am:
Park’d is right. If liberals want to put there money where their mouth is they should be funding birth control and abortions for these freeloaders. Since the government won’t let us round them up and send them back we need to scare them out. Nonviolently, of course. We should adopt the civil disobedience tactics of the civil rights movement. Even the Ku Klux Klan is allowed to march down streets. Greg, Help Save Manassas should organize marches down streets we know have a lot of illegals with signs saying “illegals go home”, “learn English or get out” and stuff like that. It’s perfectly legal, nonviolent, and will start to make illegals in those areas consider leaving. We really should do this. It will be much more effective immediately than waiting for something to be done with the resolution.
1. Advocator said on 21 May 2008 at 8:38 am:
The time for talking, writing, and pleading with our elected leaders to do the right thing on this issue is rapidly coming to an end.
Wow, my name wasn’t on the list! Hey, I must not be so offensive after all. So this must be keeping Elena up at night, or at least 4AM. After reading the listed posts I get the feeling of utter frustration from those posting. It may not be sugar coated or PC, but then again the words were chosen in anger. I’ve expressed outrage at times, but I guess I chose my words more wisely.
I still want to know how a family of six with one wage earner working a low paying job can live in the same type home that it took me years to be able to afford as a professional, and they are still able to afford a new SUV? I’m sorry, but something doesn’t financially add up! So don’t tell me I’m not footing the bill for their life style. Maybe that’s why my daughter had to pay through the teeth to have her baby at Fairfax. Nothing in life is free…….at least for legal citizens!
SA, You are on the B list. She will get to you tomorrow.
Most people speak in anger occassionjally. However, I think what Elena has captured shows a pattern and is indicative of something deeply engrained in the soul of Prince William County more than just being an periodic outburst or two. She is giving us a look into a dark place; a dark place where the people who go there feel that they can say or do just about anything and it is accepted as the norm by their peers.
She has addressed these issues before the BOCS before……if you need a reminder.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=SuEGM_erDno
If you must know SA, I have developed a horrible summer cold so sleep eludes me when I can’t breathe.
I agree that frustration is clear, but that doesn’t excuse the outright bigotry I see demonstrated in these posts, not does it excuse incidents that people have shared with me about racist remarks based on their looks or spanish accents.
How do you know there is one meager wage earner supporting a family of six, isn’t this why multiple families live together, to be able to afford a home. How is it that you have such intimate access to people’s financial status, do you look at their checking accounts, w-2’s? How is your daughter footing the bill for this wealthy illegal immigrant you are referring to? Your daughter paid through the nose because we have a broken health care system, or is that the fault of illegal immigrants also?!
Moon-Howler,
You hit the nail on the head, there is a pervasive sentiment that has flourished in this county, one of intolerance, scapegoating, and hate towards a specific group….Latino’s.
MH,
How do you explain low wage people being able to move into upper class neighborhoods? It’s never happened in general, and yet suddenly these illegals have found a way. Can’t be legal or unsubsidized or something. There is no way a guy making laborer’s wages with a wife (assuming here) and four kids could afford a $400K house. I had to go through reams of paperwork for a VA loan on my present home, and I was already a home owner for years. How can someone who walks across the border, is uneducated, doesn’t speak English, and doesn’t have a steady job accomplish this? All I can say is that my economics course in college must have been lacking!
SA,
Exaclty how do YOU know what a persons legal status is or is not? What “told” you this person was here illegally? Was the language he spoke spanish by any chance?
Elena,
I could care less if they are Legal or Illegal! Just tell me how they financially afford it, and stop dodging the question. That’s just it, I bring up a financial subject and you want to go back to business as usual.
SA,
I don’t have an answer for you. In my neighborhood, all sorts of people have ended up with homes who appear to be ‘out of step with the neighborhood,’ if you know what I mean. I would like to be a fly on the wall and peek into their financial records to see how they are doing it.
I think credit was very loose for several years, right before the fall. Unscrupulous realtors and mortgage lenders put people in houses they could not afford and taught people how to pull in others to help pay for homes. As for cars, think leasing. You can get a lot more bang for your buck if you lease.
Those same folks who appeared to be out of step also represent some of the housing foreclosures. Perhaps I am now not so envious of their apparent free ride.
There’s an old blues song, “Summertime,” from Porgy and Bess. Perhaps you know it best sung by Janis Joplin, who took the Gershwin song and brought it into the pop charts field:
I think” summertime “is over for a lot of people. Jobs have dried up, industry is drying up, credit is drying up, mortgages are drying up, real estate is drying up,
From BVBL today:
(Picture of a contractor driving by 7-11):
This friendly guy, who drives a Ford F-550 with Virginia commercial tags TX 667, may have to look elsewhere for day laborers to hire for his commercial business from now on. The 7-Eleven on Coverstone Drive was the site of some actual enforcement of the law by Prince William County Police today, and for the first time in years was cleared of illegal alien day laborers. Efforts of the Crime Prevention Team of Help Save Manassas have started to make a difference in Prince William County, and between public efforts to discourage the unlawful employment of illegal aliens and quieter reaching out to business and property owners who are happy to have someone come to help them.
It will certainly take additional work to rescue these businesses and shut down day labor sites in the county, but for the first time, progress is being made. Hopefully some of the folks like Mr. Happy Pizza-Eating No-Hands Driver above will also get a lesson from the Virginia Department of Taxation about the potential consequences of flouting the law as well.
Oberserver,
So what. Just another person with their privacy invaded. Maybe someone will tell the driver of the white truck where he is posted and he can pay the person who took the picture a visit.
SA,
Nice try, no banana. You most certainly did pose your financial question in terms of illegal immigrants.
Statements like
definitely make your protests of righteous indignation “I could care less if they are Legal or Illegal! Just tell me how they financially afford it, and stop dodging the question. That’s just it, I bring up a financial subject and you want to go back to business as usual…” disingenuous and an outright falsehood. If you want to appear all innocent, at least don’t leave evidence at the scene of the crime.
MH and Observer,
Did you notice the comments are closed on that thread? They are also closed on the newest thread too. Why open a thread and close the comments right out the gate?
Moon-howler if you want to go to physical violence, maybe some American citizens who don’t like what is happening can go visit the Coverstone 7-11 with some baseball bats and clean house …
So Bring It On’s swipe at West Virginia goes unchallenged for its outright bigotry. I take issue with the way the “problems” are presented in the quest for “solutions,” and I get ridiculed by WHWN and Leila, among others. Is that how many of you hope to find common ground and work toward “solutions”? How is that working for you? Have fun at my expense, and good luck. I’m joining Leaving Point of Woods and saying bye-bye.
You could have a lot more to decry than Greg L. taking a picture oif a tax evader to worry about, if you want to start getting physical.
MH-
Can you not answer the question? You pick and tear a persons post apart to avoid answering legit questions that are asked. It amazes me that people come on here to view their opinions and ask questions and in turn, you and Censored constantly tear a person down ( a defense mechanism?). I put a challenge out yesterday and of course, it was picked apart ( I was called a troll..Pest etc etc) but in the end, the challenge had no takers….
SA, they may have had some cash to put down on a house or they may have done what people all over the county of all races and ethnicities did…used a subprime loan. Why do you think so many $700,000 houses languish on the market right now. I’d bet that it’s because the homeowners could no longer afford them as the interest rates escalated.
Rick,
What are you talking about? I have never advocated violence on this blog. Please explain yourself.
Sorry to hear that you are leaving Emma, I think you speak eloquently and Im sure alot of others think you do as well.. This Blog had no intent of ever wanting to debate.
They are discriminating against anyone of opposition ( becoming what they are suppose to despise) I also see where congratulations are being offered for the “most posts” when in reality its the same 7 people talking back and fourth, back and fourth, back and fourth…..rest assured reality has escaped most of the people on this blog..but then again as I have said in the past: actions speak louder than words and all I see are in fact……………..words
Just Cause,
What are you whining about this morning? All questions I found legitmate were answered. Did you not see my rather lengthy post? Nooooo you picked out what you wanted to see, which was a rebuttal. It amazes ME how absolutely ridiculous you are. You come here for a fight. Go fight on bvbl. You have no questions. You just lob grenades.
Emma, stay in touch. It has been a somewhat rocky road but I feel we have found some common ground. Mrs. Cheney has an excellent blog with lots of intellectual content and some serious rules. Maybe I will see you over there.
“they may have done what people all over the county of all races and ethnicities did” – BUT, around here, illegals did it much more, and the results were disasterous.
Emma, I enjoyed your posts, I hope you don’t get chased away.
Rick, I hope you’re not stooping to the usual threat of violence some of the anti-immigration crowd in the WaPo response section advocate. Here’s an example from a Post article on the increase in students studying immigration law:
Remember, our government just re-affirmed our right to own guns… To protect against a tyrannical government… They are getting Verrrrrrrry close, and to allow something that is so far from Citizens wishes will almost ensure a violent overthrow of our government.
Don’t think it will happen? Keep pushing us… I’m ready to go already and am waiting on a rally cry….
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/07/06/AR2008070602154_Comments.html#
The FBI should be interested in looking into some of this stuff.
To refine my point about potential use of baseball bats, Elana I think the Rule of Law Resolution WAS a relatively positive community solution. Doubtless tyhe majority of voters agree.
As to the opinion of elitists in other counties who have always looked down on us (“Welcome to Manasshole” the Washington City Paper once proclaimed) well give it a little time and see if this thing doesn’t play out similarly in other counties.
Sorry I meant Elena.
Did anyone notice over on bvbl under the WMAL entry?
The opening sentence reads.”On my way to work this morning, I was listening to WMAL as usual.”