171 Thoughts to “McCain on Immigration”

  1. Chris

    WHWN.
    I want to know when is John McCain going to visit us like Hillary and Obama?

  2. I’m sure he will come to Virginia, but I am no expert on his campaign. My gosh, what will Gospel Greg do when McCain comes to town??? He was so angry about Obama being here that he wanted to stage a protest but couldn’t get anyone to join him and called it off to avoid the humiliation.

    Someone said earlier that McCain is pandering to Hispanic voters. That’s a load of bull. Whoever wrote that probably didn’t even realize that Hispanics voted at all until the Democratic primary “spin” was dominated by the question of who will the Hispanics vote for. McCain was right on the immigration issue long before that. Remember, he introduced the bill that would have seen us avoid all this hell we went through the past year.

  3. Wow! I missed a lot here, but it has been a relaxing Sunday. I can FEEL the LOVE! You guys are great! We all need pick-us-ups after a troop of hate bunnies.

    Chris, I’m curious. Did HSM or particular people in HSM every scare you?

  4. Chris

    k-
    I don’t scare that easily.
    HSM as a whole didn’t/don’t scare me. However, there’s a handful of HSM that really feel the only way to get any where is by bullying. I am not, and have never been, and never will be about such tactics. It’s kind of laughable when I really think about it. I think most members just signed up. The meetings always had the same 25-30 faithful attendees. I would say about 85% of the membership have never even been to a meeting.

  5. Chris, thank you for that insight. As someone who has received threatening notes/emails/anonymous blog posts, I can tell you that not knowing who these people are (other than what I read, see, and hear at BOCS meetings), makes the group and its leaders come off as really scary.

    We live in a very “you just never know” age. I used to think people on blogs and online were just full of crap, that they would never go out and do some of the things they talk about. Then I learned the hard way that yes…some of these people really will act out what they say online. HSM showing up at 7/11’s, screaming at children, harassing people, sending threatening e-mails etc……it’s way too over-the-top for me not to be extra cautious.

    On the other hand, as a woman who has had to endure a certain amount of gender-related crap, I agree that it makes me speak out even more. People have mixed reactions to this: they think you are brave (as some people here have said, and thank you for that) or they think you are stupid. I have a good many reasons for speaking out in my own name, but I will also confess that I didn’t know a thing about GL and his gang before openly ripping apart his tactics. Now I know. Would I have changed my mind if I had known what I was getting into? I really don’t know. Probably not. Again….courageous or stupid? 😉

  6. notGregLetiecq

    kg, you are very courageous. You’ve inspired me and many others.
    I send you some Sunday love from Dumfries. My boyfriend loves you too.

  7. 😉 I can FEEEEL the LOVE, NGL! Thanks to you and the man!

  8. Chris

    K-
    I’ve been thinking and need to clarify the email was a threat of a law suit.

  9. Chris:

    I’ve been thinking and need to clarify the email was a threat of a law suit.

    Lemme guess, it was from Greg. Thats one of his favorite tactics. Threaten you with a law suit using all kinds of legal words and citing legal cases to lend credibility to his threat.

  10. Chris

    Mackie,
    The email was NOT from Greg!!!!
    It was from a subordinate member of HSM.

  11. What on earth could a subordinate member of HSM sue you for, Chris?

    Free thought?

    That may be against the group’s charter, but it’s not against the law.

  12. Elena

    I have to agree, getting out of HSM, took a great amount of personal courage and fortitude. To seperate from any group that you have become personally involved must have been difficult. We appreciate your insights Chris and Red Dawn, as you bring a unique prespective to the discussion. Did anyone see this article in the PW section about the “strike team” in Fairfax, dealing with boarding houses? Really, what people had concerns about were, and still remain, neighbhorhood issues. The County’s collective energy and money would have been better spent on really beefing up Neighborhood Services and working with citizens to create outreach services!

  13. Elena

    Chris,
    Do you think the subordinate was just doing Greg’s dirty work for him? You don’t have to answer that if you don’t want to.

  14. Chris

    Elena,
    No. I think this “neighbor” took upon theirself to be nasty to me. Oh well, live and LEARN!
    I’ve learned way more than I ever bargained for. I’m always available via email for the answer to that riddle.

  15. Chris

    WHWN,
    What can I say there are “nice” people, and there are the “mean spirited souls”.

  16. I saw the article about the ‘strike team’. Just their name makes me kind of wary. No one can enter your house without a warrant. To do so is a violation of the 4th amendment. Does anyone know how this strike team gains entry to peoples’ houses?

  17. Firedancer

    WhyHereWhyNow, 13. July 2008, 20:17 said,
    “In any case, PWC is a solidly Republican county … or at least as solid as there is in NoVa these days. That is why I say, both here in PWC and on the national level, there is no American more valuable than a moderate Republican. ”

    What??? As a leftie liberal, hard-core Democrat, I question the above statement. It may be true in PWC, given the party affiliation of those who pushed the resolution, but you can’t make that generalization for the whole country. It depends on your perspective, obviously. We need liberals to ensure that the right to choose is not taken away, that one day gays will be allowed to marry, that religion stays out of government, for example.

  18. Chris

    Mackie,
    I believe they first try to obtain permission from the occupant to gain entry. If they aren’t allowed in, then they obtain a warrant. Fairfax County does have the info on their website. I saw it a few months back. The strike force is multiple departments working together. It be any of the following and some more agencies. Health Dept., Police Dept., Zoning, Building Code, Fire Marshall, Social Services, etc. I’ll see if I can’t find the info for you. I believe PWC was going to do a pilot program similar, but it was about the time all the tall grass was creeping up the complaint list.

  19. Chris

    Mackie,
    Here’s an excellent starting point for the strike team. I hope it answer some questions for you. I will be looking at later.
    http://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/news/2008/149.htm

  20. Wow, HSM is really starting to sound cultish on this thread. Chris, you are certainly entitled to your opinions and affiliations, but do you really think it took “courage” to stop going to meetings? The whole tone of this discussion makes it sound as if you are in some kind of recovery mode. I’m glad you are able to find here the love and support you need to make it through such a trying time, but really, you seem like an intelligent person capable of thinking for yourself. Did HSM really have that much of a hold on you?

  21. Chris

    Emma,

    Actually, it was a very difficlut choice to make. I invested a great deal of my time, energy, etc. with HSM. I only need and want the love and support of those that REALLY matter my family! You are right, I am intelligent enough to think for myself. I can contribute to the community just the same without them. I do not approve of some of their recent tactics, which all started after my departure. I did more than stop going to meetings, dear. I asked by that mine and my husband’s names be removed from the membership list.

    Do you miss seeing me at meetings or something? 😉

  22. I’ve never been to a meeting, Chris, and I’ve never met you. I’m just wary that you are being made a poster child here. Hate to see you get used in the neverending quest by many here to ridicule and discredit another group that is exercising its free-speech and freedom-of-assembly rights. As an HSM member, you would have been vilified here; now they’re ready to kill the fatted calf for you while they milk you for information.

    But I could be wrong.

  23. Emma:

    HSM is really starting to sound cultish on this thread.

    I have it on good authority that GregL sacrifices one of the immigrants’ homegrown chickens before each meeting and takes a small doll that looks like Roberto Juarez and stabs it repeated with a sewing pin.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zH9ktru-TEs

  24. Chris,

    HSM IS a cult. Don’t ever go back there! This is what they did to the last person who left the order…

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0BukAy_dko

  25. That’s quite an image, Mackie. Mi sento male.

    Actually, I just met the guy last week on July 4. I didn’t see any horns or talons, and I came home still the same disagreeable Emma.

  26. Red Dawn

    Makcie,

    you are a trip! I am still giggling over the animal farm video/analogy. That was PRICELESS 🙂

    We all learned this lesson with the movie ” Wizard of Oz” it was in yourself all along. All you have to do is believe 🙂

  27. My favorite WOZ line:

    Almira Gulch. Just because you own half the county doesn’t mean that you have the power to run the rest of us. For twenty-three years I’ve been dying to tell you what I thought of you! And now… well, being a Christian woman, I can’t say it!

  28. Chris

    Emma,
    You just said you’ve never met me. So, how is it you think anyone is milking me for information? I write my comments of my own free will here, and have never had them deleted. I can’t say the same for bvbl.
    And my favorite WOZ line.”Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain”

    Mackie,
    I look at those videos a little later, and get back to ya.

  29. Red Dawn

    Emma,

    I can vouch that Greg is not a person with horns or talons. I can also vouch for Chris, that the Girl SPEAKS her mind!!!!! ( way before HSM) She isn’t missing and posted on some milk carton somehwere. She even said herself, her parents didn’t have to fear her being kidnapped as they would RETURN her…LOL

    Anyway,no one fromm HSM with a respectable tongue or debate would get vilified on here. Ask Maureen! I give and she gets props 🙂

  30. Red Dawn

    Elivs,

    Sorry dude, it is that 8th grade education THANG 🙂 ( typos)

  31. Chris

    Emma,

    The horns and talons were in the Christmas Parade. Remember, that post, Auntie Em?
    Red Dawn and I were talking about picking an angel from a tree for a child to get a Christmas gift. Guess what those comments were taken down. We mentioned how simple some of the items were that kids were requesting. Now, why would that have been deleted? Maybe, because two local gals such as RD and myself are compassionate? I have the slightest idea what was wrong with trying to share some charitable ideas at Christmas and for kids. Geez..

  32. Chris, I was basing that on earlier posts in this thread, nothing else.

    Courage! What makes a king out of a slave? Courage! What makes the flag on the mast to wave? Courage! What makes the elephant charge his tusk in the misty mist, or the dusky dusk? What makes the muskrat guard his musk? Courage! What makes the sphinx the seventh wonder? Courage! What makes the dawn come up like thunder? Courage! What makes the Hottentot so hot? What puts the “ape” in apricot? What have they got that I ain’t got?

  33. YOO HOO

    Chris,

    I never thought it would happen, that I was accused of being to compassionate ( only warned 🙂 )but I have.
    The only thing I can think of as far as the Christmas post, Krutis gave us props for getting in the Christmas spirit…breaking away from the thread of devils marching in the parade..who knows, who cares…

    just a good ole GIRLS 🙂

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CNVQpQa5qdY

  34. Red Dawn

    yoo hoo/red dawn..trouble posting links ( as in TOO many, lol)

  35. Chris

    Emma,
    Sorry, I’m a little fiesty tonight. Forgive me.
    I enjoyed the words of COURAGE you posted.

  36. Red Dawn

    Chris,

    Fiesty or fat broad? they both start with f! LOL

  37. I wasn’t reading blogs back when the devils were marching, so I didn’t see that thread, Chris. I just remember the devil-creature running up to a little girl near me, and the child burst into tears. Inexcusable.

    It’s bad enough picking on a straw man, but picking on a little dog!

  38. Chris

    This past Christmas Parade was only about the thrid or fourth one I’ve missed in my life.
    I am glad I was not there to see the devil. Kids crying at a Christmas Parade is not my idea of fun. I do understand there are those that a scared of Santa, like some are scared of clowns. Kids crying is definately INEXUCASABLE!

  39. Elena

    Emma,
    Is BVBL really the place you believe promotes reasonable discussion and sane solutions? Is Elvis, who consistently insults the women here on anti because of weight, really the type of person you want to be friendly with? Do you wonder why so many of us view Greg as an instigator of racism and hate? Maybe your immigrant ancestors came here as doctors and professional, mine did not, I guess that makes my ancestors non-contributors to this great nation. Yes, just imagine if “no one challenged this insanity” the insanity of the outright racism on BVBL directed at Latino’s.

    More Mail
    By Greg L | 13 July 2008 | Illegal Aliens, Prince William County | 46 Comments

    Some of the items that land in my inbox really reinforce my firm conviction that working to reduce the number of illegal aliens unlawfully residing in our community is a vital community service. There are a shocking number of folks out there seeking to excuse a specific ethnic group from any requirement to comply with the law, a philosophy that is contrary to the foundational ideals of this nation, and which if codified into law would undoubtedly cause tremendous problems. To wit:

    we latinos are makin the world a better place!
    no damn white american guy would construct a school or any other buildings… when you see WE LATINOS working in construction we actualy work…all i see is the white guys smoking.
    the crops come from latin america
    and don’t forget GAS!
    SO YOU NEED TO STOP COMPLAINING!
    WE WERE HERE B4 ALL OF YOU..
    WE ARE NATIVE AMERICANS!
    JUS REMEMBER OCE UR GREAT GREAT GREAT GREATGREAT GRANDPARENTS WERE ONCE ILLEGAL!

    Just imagine if no one bothered to challenge this insanity, and it became accepted as the politically-correct mainstream view. Would we continue to actually have a country, or would we be reduced to warring tribes scrapping over the smoking remnants of the United States of America?

    The opinions expressed here are solely the views of the author, and not representative of the position of any organization, political party, doughnut shop, knitting guild, or waste recycling facility, but may be correctly attributed to the Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy. If anything in the above article has offended you, please click here to receive an immediate apology.

    You can follow the discussion through the Comments feed. You can also pingback or trackback from your own site.

    46 Comments
    BattleCat said on 13 Jul 2008 at 4:06 pm: Ahhh, a little something from the coordinators of the “Anti-Site”???

    Dave in PWC said on 13 Jul 2008 at 5:25 pm: Keep up the good fight, you and HSM are making a difference, my neighborhood is coming back, people are walking around at night after dinner visiting with other neighbors out walking. No more flophouses that I can see. Drop me a line the next time you want to go demonstrate our first ammendment rights.

    elvis said on 13 Jul 2008 at 5:25 pm: even the fat broads wouldnt cook up something so stupid. They ARE stupid but at least semi-literate. OK, I’ll concede they have at least a 8th grade education which is far more than the fool who wrote that letter.

    manassascityresident said on 13 Jul 2008 at 5:40 pm: Hey Elvis –
    Nice to see you over here!

    Elvis said on 13 Jul 2008 at 6:56 pm: MCR,
    Thanks…tired of playing in kindergarden. Those chicks are whack!

    BattleCat said on 13 Jul 2008 at 6:58 pm: Dudes / Dudettes,
    Our house just got nailed by lightning. That’ll make you mess yourself!

    Emma said on 13 Jul 2008 at 7:32 pm: Yeah, the greatest and most powerful nation in the world became that way while the white guys just stood around smoking.
    Hi, elvis.

    CitizenofManassas said on 13 Jul 2008 at 7:46 pm: Wow, I suppose he would also say they are the only ones to rape 4 and 10 year olds.

    Arlington Minority said on 13 Jul 2008 at 8:23 pm: I would strong commend to all BVBL readers and commenters the following article from “The Brussels Journal” which focuses on the Portland, Oregon mindset and concludes that our inability to control our borders, culture and language is slowly but surely causing America to voluntarily transform itself into a dysfunctional socialist Third World country.
    http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/3409

    IllegalisILLEGAL said on 13 Jul 2008 at 8:51 pm: Yeah, just what we all want a third world country. I too welcome elvis. I love your songs!

    manassascityresident said on 13 Jul 2008 at 8:54 pm: Battlecat – Are you ok? Hope so! Where exactly did it hit?

    starryflights said on 13 Jul 2008 at 9:48 pm: What “fat broads” and “chicks” are you referring to. I know you are turning me off from this site. Other other women offended by this?

    Red, White and Blue said on 13 Jul 2008 at 10:56 pm: Did I notice all the white people hanging around the 7/11s, Home Depots, and plazas? I must have missed them. The latinos must be hiding them in the crowd. Wow, and I never knew mexicans built America. I just need to look at Mexico, El Salvador and Honduras and I should have figured it out with their great roads, infrastructure, super cities, well dressed folks, fantastic wages, great colleges and a super police department as well as a the best in an outstanding political system -second to none! Thanks for bringing all this to America. Thanks for being here during World War II, building our highways, our skyscrapers, our cities and of course, growing all our crops over the decades. Those poor white people just sitting there and smoking. Now I understand, I see the picture and I smell the poop.
    Let all the history book be changed. It wasn’t Jefferson and Washinigton, it was Jose and Julio. It wasn’t Edison, Ford but Juan and Roberto. Generlisimo Electricia, EBM, and Boeing Aero are all really mexicanto.
    The Raylettes were right – “Hit the road Jack and don’t ya come back no more, no more, no more, no more, no more…..”
    Got a job for you that Americans won’t do – believing your lies.

    monticup said on 13 Jul 2008 at 11:42 pm: Red, White and Blue: This is the nonsense the illegals are fed. They actually believe that installing drywall means they built a country. It is childish thinking; very primitive and unsophisticated. Why they choose to come here to construct a country rather than focus on their own cesspools is a question they never address. These ignoramuses are in denial–I defy them to name ONE technological or scientific advance originating from Mexico or El Salvador. They can’t do it. On the other hand they’re good at growing marijuana. If only they would focus on growing coffee and mahogany. Then they really would be making a contribution.

    long time said on 14 Jul 2008 at 6:46 am: we wouldn’t need to be building so many schools if the illegal aliens weren’t all having 10 children. At least the letter you received could have thanked the “smoking white guy” for paying taxes to build the school that his anchor baby children get to go.

    zeezil said on 14 Jul 2008 at 7:40 am: Those writings (and thoughts?) reinforces the ignorance of the illegals and the fact that they come here with no education. After millions of our taxdollars spent to pump up their IQ by a point…it ain’t working!

    IllegalisILLEGAL said on 14 Jul 2008 at 8:55 am: Can anyone tell me what new housing went in to cause the huge addition to Yorkshire elementary school? Or could it bethe overcrowding that is happening in that area?

    What’s next said on 14 Jul 2008 at 9:09 am: starryflights – I would have to agree with you there… Can we stop calling people from the anti site names. Sure, disagree with them but calling them “fat broads” doesn’t do anything for the debate and just takes away from what is being said here. I don’t agree with most of what is said over there but I don’t think we need to be calling them names when ever someone refers to them.

    NLH said on 14 Jul 2008 at 9:44 am: Red, White & Blue:
    Well said. The Mexicans may have been on this soil many, many years ago, but the legal immigrants (our families) that came to this country built it and made the United States something so good that we are being over powered from legal immigrants to stay here. The illegal alien’s are the ones causing the confusion and problems. I still do not understand why there are those who want to give our country away!

    anono said on 14 Jul 2008 at 10:44 am: “Let all the history book be changed. It wasn’t Jefferson and Washinigton, it was Jose and Julio. It wasn’t Edison”
    Funny you should mention Edison.
    http://fecha.org/edison.htm
    “Most people believe Thomas Alva Edison was born in Milan, Ohio. But there is a legend in Mexico that “Tõmas” Alva was born in Lagos de Moreno, then taken to the U.S. as a toddler and adopted into the Edison family.”
    There was some crackpot on Libertypost claiming that Edison was Mexican, so I had to look it up and sure enough, it’s a Mexican legend. I guess that goes right along with the legend of Aztlan.

    anono said on 14 Jul 2008 at 10:45 am: “I defy them to name ONE technological or scientific advance originating from Mexico or El Salvador. They can’t do it.”
    Sure they can. They’ll just make up something.

    Mr. Anon said on 14 Jul 2008 at 10:46 am: NO, the Mexicans were not on this soil many, many years ago. People need to stop repeating this lie. Native Americans are not Mexicans. Mexicans are a mixed race consisting of indigenous (to Mexico) native populations and Spanish immigrants. The indigenous peoples of Mexico did not live in the US, and the tribes are disparate in their cultural beliefs, views, and religious practices from Native Americans.
    The unfortunate problem is that illegals are being fed this line of BS and are starting to believe it.

    Diversity Gal said on 14 Jul 2008 at 11:09 am: “I defy them to name ONE technological or scientific advance originating from Mexico or El Salvador. They can’t do it.”
    Hmm…I think ANYONE can do it if they just do a little research. I found a lot of advances originating from Latin America. I looked around and found many references for the following Latin American contributions to the world (I left out the ones I could not find corroboration for):
    architecture which inspired Frank Lloyd Wright
    creation of the world’s first team sport
    biogenetic domestication of corn into its modern form
    astronomy style that influenced European astronomy after 1492
    antispasmodic medicine for surgery
    mandatory, universal education for both genders and all classes
    first people in the world to use the number zero as part of their mathematics system
    predated Europeans with a base 20 (vigesimal) math system
    created the latex treatment to make rubber
    I’m sure there are many more, but I would have to do more research. I am actually ashamed of myself that I haven’t taken the time up until now to educate myself about these contributions.
    I think the history of Europeans in America is very important, but I also believe that we have to face facts. European-Americans (of which I am one) are the ones who recorded it, and so it is overwhelmingly Eurocentric. It is a shame that people seem to imply that their culture or ethnicity is better, simply because you can read more about it in reference material.

    anono said on 14 Jul 2008 at 11:16 am: “first people in the world to use the number zero as part of their mathematics system”
    Since when is India or ancient Babylon part of Latin America[1]?
    [1]http://mathforum.org/library/drmath/view/59074.html[2]
    [2]See, I have no problem citing my sources.[3]
    [3]It’s fun.[4]
    [4]Easy too.

    anono said on 14 Jul 2008 at 11:36 am: The Mayans did not invent zero until 350AD–650 years after the Babylonians invented it in 300BC. [1]
    [1] http://www.mediatinker.com/blog/archives/008821.html

    Che’ said on 14 Jul 2008 at 12:58 pm: Come on anono, you are being eurocentric. Don’t actually check facts and provide references. Shame on you.
    Did DG’s list come from the NCLR website?

    CitizenofManassas said on 14 Jul 2008 at 1:14 pm: Diversity gal,
    You should turn your opinions on the illegal not that those poked holes in his email.
    Simply put, Mexico is a cess pool. Just this weekend, there was another rampage by a drug gang that killed a police chief and others. While we do have our own crime issues, it pales compared to Mexico and Central American Countries.
    And for the record, nobody is “native” to North America, Central America, or South America.

    Johnson said on 14 Jul 2008 at 1:25 pm: Who founded the United States of America? Whites. How many hispanic or african nations are as sucessful as the U.S. or Europe? Japan? China? Russia? Do the math, apologists. The rest of the world needs to rise to our level, not drag us down to theirs. Look at England, Italy, Germany and France. They’ve seen the error of their ways and are reversing the process.

    Jae said on 14 Jul 2008 at 1:44 pm: I love how people expect us to respect their opinions but cannot even write it properly. Bad grammar and English when trying to put their opinions across only hurts their argument.

    Diversity Gal said on 14 Jul 2008 at 1:46 pm: Sorry for the long delay, but I couldn’t post my response (it was blocked for some reason). Someone told me that if I split my website sources up, I may be able to get through. That is what I tried next. Unfortunately, it STILL did not work. So now I forced to provide no direct links, but to just list the names of the sites. I hope it works!
    Anono, the tone of your post seemed a little teasingly aggressive, but here goes…
    Evidence for zero being used by Mayans as a NUMBER (in use on its own) and not a PLACEHOLDER:
    Wikipedia
    School of Mathematical and Computational Sciences
    University of St Andrews (a site called TURNBULL)
    Ask a Scientist from Newton BBS
    I can understand if you still don’t trust these resources. There are so many cultures who have made contributions to the history of zero, whether they used it as a placeholder or as a number on its own. I think the point is that Mayans made a valuable, independent (not derivative) contribution to mathematics. In any case, they did it WAY before Europeans did.
    Here are some other contributions I found that were a bit more modern. They are from Wikipedia, which I know isn’t always accurate. I encourage people not to simply trust me, but to look things up if they find it interesting. It’s what we all should be doing, right? I sure hope that no one is taking any of the posted topics as fact without doing their own research.
    Alejandro Corichi, Mexican physicist who contributed to the understanding of black holes
    Guillermo Gonzalez Camarena, Mexican who invented one of the first color TVs
    Luis E. Miramontes, Mexican chemist who coinvented progrestin (synthetic progestogen which can be used for oral contraception or hormone replacement therapy)
    Ignacio Martin-Baro, Salvadoran priest and philosopher whose theory of social psychology influenced studies of community psychology worldwide

    Diversity Gal said on 14 Jul 2008 at 1:55 pm: Oops, sorry for the typos!

    monticup said on 14 Jul 2008 at 2:18 pm: I certainly would not go to wikipedia for my info. Didn’t you know wikipedia is notoriously inaccurate and easy to manipulate?
    I apologize in advance for being Eurocentric but I wonder if DG’s brilliant inventors are Spanish or indigenous peoples. My point is that hunter-gathering peasant types that find their way to our country are good mainly for low skilled labor. They rapidly outlive their usefulness and then become a burden to the US. Using humans for mindless labor is terribly inefficient economically. We need people who can design, manufacture, maintain and repair the machines to do the work. Mechanize, mechanize, mechanize.

  40. monticup said:

    My point is that hunter-gathering peasant types that find their way to our country are good mainly for low skilled labor. They rapidly outlive their usefulness and then become a burden to the US. Using humans for mindless labor is terribly inefficient economically. We need people who can design, manufacture, maintain and repair the machines to do the work. Mechanize, mechanize, mechanize.

    Wow, what a naked bigot. Hunter-gatherers? WTF is he talking about? Has anyone seen anybody in our county running around with spears and bows? If there are any hunters here it’s HSM. They hunt working class immigrants…and they do covet them as trophies…

  41. Emma

    Elena, seriously, hate goes around both sides. For example, I’ve been called racist here, my imninent death celebrated gleefully by a younger poster here, even though I’m only in my 40s–that kind of stuff is no better or worse than what elvis throws out to get attention. And I don’t think either side is “right,” and I think people need to be called out when they express extremes, like the person who sent the above email to Greg. I’ve also read a number of posters here making fun of the way people look and talk, making fun of their names, but I still manage to have a dialogue with those posters, too. Hard to learn anything if we don’t talk to each other. Just an opinion from another da** white g(al).

  42. Cat Scratch Fever

    Emma, oddly enough I remember that little girl at the Christmas parade being discussed and written about. Suddenly, I don’t believe you are the quite the newcomer you would have us think you are. Frankly, I don’t want church people accosting my children either.

    Now why is it that you feel Chris’s head is being picked for information? Why is it that you name Chris instead of Red Dawn? Sounds to me like black velvet information rather that just reading between the lines.

    What do you think?

  43. Emma

    Interesting, CSF, now I’m part of the vast right-wing conspiracy or something. My teenager and I both saw a little girl burst into tears when the devil creature got in her face. I’m pretty sure that’s not what the kid had been looking forward to all morning. But I’m sure you’re right, that she would have been the only child in the ENTIRE parade route to react that way, and she was just a figment of my imagination anyway. Believe as you wish.

  44. Cat Scratch Fever

    I don’t know what you are a member of. God only knows.

    However, you skipped the critical question. Now why is it that you feel Chris’s head is being picked for information? Why is it that you name Chris instead of Red Dawn? Sounds to me like black velvet information rather that just reading between the lines.

  45. Two All Beef Patties

    Car Scratch Fever, that reference to the Christmas parade does sound familiar…

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