Crime Statistics in Prince William County INCREASED for the second-half of 2007 after the passage of the “Immigration Resolution”, numbers were higher for the July thru December timeframe for: burglary, auto theft, larceny, assault, robbery and homicides.
Here’s the breakdown:
Note: January-June 2007 prior to Immigration Resolution and
July-December 2007 is after the passage of the Immigration Resolution
| Jan-Jun | Jul-Dec | |
|---|---|---|
| Burglary | 469 | 527 |
| Auto Theft | 302 | 310 |
| Larceny | 2466 | 2872 |
| Assault | 1370 | 1401 |
| Felony Assault | 175 | 137 |
| Robbery | 124 | 148 |
| Rape | 15 | 13 |
| Homicide | 4 | 5 |
According to the 2007 Crime Statistic Report,
The crime rate, which is a percentage of the total number of crimes per population, in Prince William County has been consistently decreasing over the past several years. Violent crime represents a small portion of the total crime in the County, with crimes against property accounting for 92% of the total crime.
Prince William’s overall crime rate — the number of crimes per 1,000 residents — dropped from 21.6 in 2006 to 19.8 in 2007, down from 24.5 in 2004 and 22.8 in 2005.
Some year-to-date crimes against people for 2008 have also increased from last year’s numbers through the same time period.
Maybe Corey was talking about the 860 illegal aliens that have had detainers put on them at the ADC. I haven’t heard him talk about any of this so I really don’t know. It used to be that less than 200 hundred illegal aliens per year had ICE detainers at the jail
Observer, please go to back to the post of WHWN 14. July 2008, 12:34 , I am simply stating that what Corey espoused was based on an invalid premise. But beyond that, logic dictates that if crime were decreasing since 2004, while our population was increasing, the resolution had no bearing on crime decreasing. That is actually what Lucky Duck is pointing out. We are NOT saying the resolution is why crime is increasing. We are saying,once again, that what Corey was saying, crime decreased after the resolution, was not based on the facts.
Mackie,
I posted at 11:09 this morning, and tried again at about 11:20 (rough estimate). The email address I used for that site was [email protected] . I used the same “Diversity Gal” handle, which probably quickly pegged me as a liberal on bvbl.
It is VERY frustrating, because my post was quite civil in my opinion (under MORE MAIL on bvbl). I was responding to the claim that anyone would be hard pressed to come up with technological/scientific advances made by people Latinos or Hispanics. I did a little research and listed them, as long as I could find some other sites that corroborated.
Some dude challenged my claim that Mayans invented the number zero, and I sought to respond by citing my sources and clarifying that they were the first to use it as a stand-alone number and not as a place holder. In any case, they were YEARS ahead of Europeans. I also had some great instances of more modern Mexican and Salvadoran scientists who made global contributions, but I guess I have been blocked. Oh well!
Welcome to the club Diversity Gal 🙂
Observer, that isn’t how I read the paragraph at all. I read the second sentence as a contradiction to what Corey had just stated.
An Oberserver, I can’t decide whether your name is a misspelling or a play on “waiter, waiter” since we did discuss waitstaff when we discussed whether people who were paid in cash under-reported their income. 😉
Would it be fair to compare crime statistics for a calendar year beginning in January to the previous calendar years? If so, wouldn’t you say that crime has continued to go down for the past four years. Our illustrious chairman would therefore be correct to say that crime had fallen but spin, spin, spinning the reason for that fall as well as omitting prior years’ data. The more recent data posted in the subject line may prove him wrong if that trend continues.
Observer,
I am not using invalid data by the PWC police department. The facts, crime has been decreasing steadily since 2004, Corey says crime is deceasing since the resolution, well, that is true, but the REALITY is that is has been decreasing for several years. The reason admin pointed out the increase, was to demonstrate that crime in the latter part of 2007, even if Corey were trying to prove a connection to the resolution, had NOT decreased but slightly increased. She is not claiming to know why it increased.
Diversity Gal,
links on BVBL “several in a row”, may throw your comments into moderation, for spam checking on BVBL. Try posting you comments first, then the links. If your comments go in and the links do not, until much later, then you have exceeded the limits of the spam filter.
Greg typically only blocks people who have become obnoxious or abusive to others or himself on the blog. I have said many things calling him on bad concepts and political disagreements, but have done so honestly and without malice, he has never banned me, even thogh I oppose many of his comments especially if and when they go beyond “law enforcement” on “illegals”. If I ever get a hint that he is attacking ethnic groups rather than just law breakers, I oppose his comments strongly. It is the posters rather than greg that are the hateful ones. Most of his personal comments are simply about the need to enforce the law and protect the community. Again he has never banned these balanced and opposing views, when they are respectful of the individual and non-violent or abusive, as does Alanna here. It is the “posters” on these blogs that give the blog a “bad” reputation. Personally I would ban anyone’s comments that are advocating violence toward or hatred of any ethnic, gender, religious, racial group as an illegal “free speech” hate crime. However the constitution even protects “hateful” free speech and “hate groups” freedom to associate. It does not however give them “freedom from the law” and “freedom to operate unlawfully”, to suppress, oppress, or exclude others obased on race, gender, religion or ethnic groups. It is a fine line.
Does everyone agree that none of the present statistics bear out that crime has decreased since the resolution was enacted, on either July 10, 2007, October 16, 2007, March 3, 2007 or April 29, 2007 when a much less pungent resolution was finally funded?
The Chairman needs to stop saying that crime has decreased because of his resolution. He has no valid statitics to back up his statement.
Right, Moon-howler, he has no data to back up a causal relationship…although he is developing a caustic one with many county residents.
Crimes reported are based on the FBI’s hierarchy of most serious crime. That is called Uniform Crime Reporting. Therefore not all crimes are reported through Uniform Crime Reporting, which is what this PD uses. For example, two car jackers could assault and ultimately kill one person while stealing the car. Only the homicide is what you will see under this form of reporting.
As to the crime rate, that is based on population. Now, our population trends are slowing down and might even be lower than actually projected a few years ago which could drive a crime rate up!
Good luck those that want to pick this apart. Suggest you go to the FBI Uniform Crime Reporting site on their web pages. Those numbers appear there are well. It will help. 🙂
Looking at the PWC’s fiscal documents, the number of major crimes in PWC in Fis Yr ’05 was 8,070, 8,026 in ’06 and 7,566 in ’07. Now I am no analytical genius but what part of decline are we not seeing here folks???? These are the numbers reported to the FBI. Now the criminal arrests were 12,759 in FY04, 12,761, 13,374 and 13,979 in ’05, ’06 and ’07.
That was even before others decided to try to run the police department. Hmmmmm….. maybe they knew what they were doing all along…………….?????
I wonder if the crime rate is not being artificially manipulated by the policy of the police department to choose what is and is not “classified” as a crime. I believe many of the “laws” on the books are not being enforced in PWC, and therefore crime rates “officially reported” have been going down, due to lack of reporting and lack of enforcement, therefore, no arrests = no crime stats, and that makes the Chief look good. I had wondered why the Chief was so opposed to enforceing the 287g law (go figure, a policemen opposed to law enforcement!), and finally realized it is in his personal best interest to “fight against” 287g law enforcement, and enforcement of other laws, as it shows he has been doing a good “job”. However when the “policy” discourages law enforcement, the crime “reporting” rates go down. When the “policy” encourages law enforcement of “ALL” laws, the crime “reporting” rate goes up initially, until it catches up with the ACTUAL number of criminals commiting crimes, that previously because of policy and lack of resources was not acted on or enforced or reported. I would EXPECT an increase initially in the crime rate, when a resolution to “enforce” law takes effect, as it increases the number of arrests made, that were previously NOT MADE and increases the number of criminals “sought”, officers deployed, people pulled over, citizens responded to, and “individuals” indentified as “criminals” rather than ignored. An unresponded and un-reported burglery or theft, and lack of arrest does not constitute a “crime” in these statistics. The people know better what is happening in their communities, in terms of crime increase or decrease, better and more “community aware” than any statistic reported by a police department.
Thanks, Michael.
Your comments were helpful. I was not able to get through by citing any sources directly, so I had to just give the names of the sites. At least I got through!
I have to disagree with what you say about just the posters being hateful. In looking at bvbl, there are many topics and graphics that seem to be quite hateful on his site. Plus, I find that putting awful rumors out there about the public school system in Manassas City quite malicious.
Michael
Then it is a national scam. UCR reporting is collected by the FBI and NIBRS by the State Police. Both have auditors and both note and examine trends. That would have to be a large conspiracy, but then again, it appears the whole illegal thing is one giant conspiracy against the good folks in Manassas and only Corey and Greg have noticed.
Juturna,
That was even before others decided to try to run the police department. Hmmmmm….. maybe they knew what they were doing all along…………….?????
Good one! I think some fail to realize our county is 277 years old and got by just fine, before those wanting to “high jack” our county arrived. imho
I guess we could say “What part of decline don’t you understand” 😉
Sorry Michael, that is just frustration talking. Is there no end to the disbelief of facts presented? It just exhausts me and I cannot participate in those discussions using any part of my intellect.
True Chris, true. Both Corey and Greg are newcomers and aren’t they both immigrants or their spouses are or something??? Now we have published and FBI accepted data that is being considered not believable. I recommend conspiracytheory.com for those interested……
They’re just a couple carpetbaggers here to dump more baggage on our already burdened economy.
I have an image from Roots of men in horrible plaid suits…….. Thanks for the laugh Censored. 🙂
Good point Jutura, that the number of criminal “arrests” is going up. It should if laws are being enforced. Also a good point that the number of crimes reported is a “rate”, based on population, if a population goes down it CAN cause a “rate” to go up or down. It simply is a reflection of how many “individual” criminals are deciding to commit more or less crime, are they feeling more angry, more desperate, freer to operate, becoming more or less bold and aggressive, are there more or less policemen deployed over a 24 hour period, has the funding increased or decreased, has the policy of enforcement been emphasised more, have the policemen themselves been more encouraged to arrest? These are the factors that most affect “crime” numbers. In general when you enforce the law, when you have not previously been, the rates will climb, until the “deterrant” effect kicks in, then they start to go down, until you get a lax in law enforcement, initially not reporting, un-reported crimes, until criminals feel they can operate more boldly, then the reported rate goes up again as more criminals feel freer to commit crime. A LOT depends on “policy” and the ethics (or fear level) of “individuals”. Increasing the fear of arrest should eventually make the long term rates go down, unless you are simply not enforcing the law, which can make the rates go down as well, until the community clamors for more committed and aggressive law enforcement. You see this cycle a lot in GANG war crime rates in inner cities and the interdepency on increased enforcement, focus and “moving/mobile” criminal “individuals” as population densities.
Observer, the Washington Post was only doing what all reporters and county officials do, anyone who is too polite to call Chairman Stewart a liar. First they either quote or acknowledge what Chairman Stewart has said. Then, without saying “but in reality” or “contrary to the Chairman’s shameless spin,” they simply convey the information that allows any intelligent person to see that the Chairman is wrong:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/07/09/AR2008070902173_2.html?sid=ST2008071000987&pos=
Michael, do you have any idea how stupid it would be to manipulate crime statistics “by policy”?? Are you aware that policies are subjected to review by the BOCS as well as being FOIA’d by citizens? Why would anyone take the chance in doing something as dumb as that?
The statistics are subjected by guidelines set up by the FBI, its either a crime or it is not. There are some differences in State Codes as the classification of specific crimes (ex. “Attempted Murder” in Virginia is actually charged as “Malicious Wounding”) but the FBI guidelines are broad enought to incorporate that but if it is reported by a citizen or responded to by the police department, its counted.
I defy you to FOIA any crime stat submitted by Chief Deane and find doctoring, misreporting or under reporting.
Under the Resolution that was enacted (both times) it would have involved the enforcemention of some aspect of immigration laws or reporting illegal aliens to ICE. Neither of these instances fit into any category of the FBI’s Uniform Crime Reports. So they won’t make any difference in the crime rate.
If you are talking about arrests under the 287(G) program at the jail, that is not enforced by the police department but by ICE.
Know your facts or have your facts before you accuse anyone of anything.
Censored, I agree with you but seeing that “Carpetbagger” is an old-fashioned term, can you provide us with a historical context and compare it to the ways in which Chairman Stewart and John Stirrup have used and abused this county?
Jutura, the facts as reported are factual. I just think there are other factors that drive those “facts”, and thus dilutes any “cause and effect” fact you can derive from the statistics. In this grain I agree with others that the statistics are a bad way to “prove” crime increase or decrease as a “result” of any specific action taken, except maybe by the police themselves (“policy and resources”) or the criminals themselves (boldness, fear and level of aggressiveness).
I simply want LAW ENFORCED, no matter what. That includes 287g, which is also law enforcement. To deny law enforcement is to invite community decline into a criminal society. I know of no community where the logic “deny law enforcement and your community will become lawful” is true.
That is the ideology I oppose, sympathizing with and encouraging law breakers and criminals by not enforceing law equally on everyone the same, and in the totality of the defined law.
Lucky duck, I am not accusing anyone, simply asking a question, Why would a Chief of Police fight law enforcement of ANY law? What reason would that person have for changing “policy” which we know he has the right and duty to do, in either a direction to enforce more law or a direction to enforce less law, by giving guidance to his officers to ignore some things and focus on others. These policies are reflected in the numbers reported, but do not accurately represent ALL crime (reported and un-reported). There is a weak cause and effect argument here and I am challenging it.
WHWN, in very general terms, they descended on our county from the north (in Letiecq’s case) and the east (that’s stretching it, I know) in Stewart’s and Stirrup’s case to take polictical advantage in an area in which they had no connection. Tee hee – there’s also the Republican party element, although I’m sure there are plenty of Republicans who would like to see them pack up their bags.
WHWN, as for the abuse – there’s the assault on our tax dollars, ruining our good name, and creating havoc in our community.
If 287g is not reported in the above statistics, and only reported to ICE, then why are we making any argument as to “cause and effect” that “crime” has increased or decreased as a result of passing a resolution to ENFORCE 287g. If these crime stats don’t report the “effect” of increased emphasis on 287g, then how can the implication be that enforcing 287g has increased or decreased crime, be made as a cause and effect.
I simply feel better knowing that an ENFORCEMENT of 287g which was not happening before, simply will result in a INCREASE in enforcement of 287g, and that more “illegal” alien criminals will be deported, when previously they were not. That is the ONLY “statistic” I am interested in, other than we continue to ENFORCE ALL LAWS equally on everyone the same.
I did not have a favorable impression of “Carpetbaggers” before this all happened, but I have a much more negative impression now. I’ve learned that the negative impact of Carpetbaggers like Chairman Stewart is all the worse when you get down to the local level.
At the BOCS level, a Chairman has nothing BUT local issues to deal with. Yet Chairman Stewart was only too happy to take on a federal issue on behalf of F.A.I.R. and Numbers USA knowing that their expensive media team could get him on Fox “News” and the Lou Dobbs Comedy Hour. Four million dollars and a trashed reputation, hardly a fair trade for the public relations firm Corey Stewart should have hired for HIMSELF.
All this talk of crime statistics is just the mirror image of Numbers USA and the Anti-Immigrant websites spreading misinformation. Only in this case, we have an elected official who, sadly, represents us doing the bidding of the Anti-Immigrant Lobby.
If you catch a criminal “illegal” alien (even 1), using law enforcement that you previously had a “policy” to ignore, and you deport that person, you have immediately made your community “SAFER” than it was before that law enforcement was made into policy. The “individual” is no longer in the country to commit more crimes, and we all know criminals never stop at 1 crime.
Corey is right, when you deport a “criminal” your community is “SAFER”. Any dummy can see the truth in that statement and you don’t need statistics to prove it is “wrong”.
I am surrounded by people who can’t get to basic facts, because they are too busy trying to defend their own racial, gender, religious, or ethnic group, and trashing politicians for “Enforceing The LAW”. What kind of “just” lawlessness supporting community logic is that?
Corey is right, when you deport a “criminal” your community is “SAFER”. Any dummy can see the truth in that statement and you don’t need statistics to prove it is “wrong”.
Well too bad we can’t deport them all. Now we don’t have room for the prescription abuser, the peeping tom which ususally escalates to sexual offenses. We let them go so we can keep the illegal speeder keeping our fingers crossed that someday ICE will actually pick him up. Meanwhile the presecription abuser is now stealing items from your car and the peeping tom has now escalated to following little girls.
Maybe that’s why Chief’s of Police make jusdgement calls about erradication of crimes and identifying the worst of the lot as opposed to self promoting passing through politicians…..
Put that into your fact book and let me know the outcome…… 🙂
WHWN, I think Stewart knew he’d never achieve any substantial political office in Fairfax so he descended on us. I think he’s in way over his head here in PWC – his might have campaigned effectively but he’s got more bluster than brains when it comes to leading in day-to-day matters, which, let’s face it, are what concern local governments…if some loony group doesn’t get us involved in federal issues. As you’ve pointed out, he’s used our money to try to maneuver into a higher office. The longer he stays here and fails, the longer the rest of Virginia is spared his machinations.
We already had 287G in the jails, Michael. Criminal aliens were already being deported.
The only reason why there is any controversy about the whole F.A.I.R. / Help Save Manasass Immigration Resolution was that either deliberately, or due to prejudice, or due to pure stupidity, people began to confuse criminal illegal aliens with the non-Caucasian people who’s papers are not in order.
They are very different things. And their impact on public safety is very different.
Furthermore, if you mandate that tremendous amounts of time and resources be siphoned away from making our community safer in order to chase down people who’s papers are not in order, you are making our county less safe! If anything, that is what these numbers seem to suggest (but as someone else pointed out, the number of unsolved crimes also rises when ethnic communities no longer feel trust in their Poilce Department, another side effect of this ill-conceived Anti-Immigrant Law).
And, there are still more fact and details that you ought to know before making such a lame argument as you have above. For instance, we we have deported criminal illegal aliens, they have often returned immediately … much faster than we would have seen them back on the streets if they’d served their sentences.
So while “deport them all” might get your rocks off, the fact is that deportation is not the end game when it comes to dealing with criminal illegal aliens. They come back.
The “Rule of Mob” Resolution, originally titled the Immigration Resolution, was not at all focused on criminal illegal aliens … even though any crime committed by a Hispanic or an undocumented person was used to justify it. The “Rule of Mob” Resolution was designed as a wide net, mandating Officers to ask any person they come into contact with to prove they are in the country legally.
If you had just an ounce of common sense, and you DIDN’T have any prejudice toward dark skinned people or even toward people who’s papers are not in order, would you really want to see our Police Officers spending 90 percent of their time shaking down every day citizens, even the ones who are obviously here legally, rather than going after people who commit actual crimes?
Take the race element out of it. Why would you want the Police to sacrifice their pursuit of violent criminals in order to focus on misdemeanors?
Michael, no policy was “encouraged not to be enforced” and Federal law prohibits a policy that prevents local or state law enforcement officers from contacting the Federal Government about ANY information on illegal aliens. That is what I am disputing with you, that any numbers are fixed or underreported or anyone was told not to enforce any law.
But the resolution was NOT the 287(G) program, we already had that when this resolution was introduced, so tell me what the logic was there Michael? If all you wanted was the 287(G) program, why the resolution? 287(G) was already in place in the jail. Except for the $4 million we spent, tell me, what is the difference for you?
Michael, I don’t think you understand the 287(g) program. Many people don’t. Why? Because our leaders and their ‘handlers’ tried to obfuscate matters as much as possible to get the political agenda they wanted pushed through.
The 287(g) program was in effect before the July 10th ‘Immigaration Resolution’ was passed. Please stop saying that people here do not support law and order. We do.
Are you intentionally insulting us or do you just not know any better?
MH,
“HANDLERS”, hahaha!! Sounds like we need a “lion tamer” too.
Jorge Pollo,
I would just settle for deporting the puppeteer. That would take care of the major ‘handler.’
Actually, I think of Censored as our resident lion tamer.
I am back to laughing at the carpetbaggers from Roots…… it’s easier and at this point, makes more sense.
http://www.upi.com/Top_News/2008/07/13/Virginia_Latinos_seen_as_swing_vote/UPI-56081215999300/
Mackie,
Would I be considered jaded if I suggested that perhaps the chairman and his handler don’t really give a rat’s ass about immigration at all? Perhaps all this has been the part of a bigger picture. Perhaps this was a way to block a democratic president. Stranger things have happened.
After all, look at various forms of marriage/anti gay amendments appearing as referrendums last presidential election. Right out of the old Karl Rove play book.
Lots and lots of perhapses out there.
Back to things that make you want to go hmmmmmmm…..
Michael, are you willing to impugn the reputation of an entire professional police department to attempt make your point? I am not even sure what your point is.
Can you document that Chief Deane was opposed to the 287(g) program at the ADC? I sure don’t recall him voicing an opinion like you have stated.
You are aware that no one on this blog, to my knowledge, is opposing the 287(g) program at the ADC? If they are, they can talk privately with you about it. Most, if not all of us regulars on anti support our local police department and Chief Deane. If you want to talk smack about either the department or the Chief, I suggest you go on over to the blog with the dark screen. You will find more support there. Here you will have none.
I would venture to say that the main reason you see the decrease in crime over the past few years is because of the professionalism of the Prince William County Police Department under the guidance and directorship of Chief Deane. He has implemented policies that curb crime in suburban areas such as Prince William County and has national recognition for his efforts. It doesn’t really get much better than that unless some busy body like the chairman of the BOCS decides he knows more than the professionals hired to do that job at hand and tries to butt in. Fortunately, the citizens of Prince William are not going to allow that to happen.
I think that immigration was to be the issue du jour for the upcoming election. It had all the juicy elements…the easy target in “the other”, an outlet for fear and hatred, someone dipping his/her hand into “our” pocketbook, national security. And then that damn John McCain had to win the party nomination and spoil it all! Now people might look at the war, the mortgage/gas/credit card/energy price fiascos. The horror!
Diversity girl got posted on the place of the black screen, but she is definitely in the belly of the beast.
MH,
Yes, the republican party started this fight ultimately to help with the elections in november. However, they made a big mistake when they thought they could keep it under control. They didn’t count on the Tom Tancredos and Lou Dobbs adding dynamite to the fire. Now this fight is spinning out of control and many latinos are feeling under siege. They worry about their kids’ futures, their family members, their safety, etc. Tom Tancredo has cut off the republican party’s nose to spite its face. Not a good idea.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n6a4ZwB4NOE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SIt8_r2zQ5Q
Michael,
I “double dog” dare you, to respond to Lucky Duck’s post at , 14. July 2008, 15:01 and NOT fall back to your usual discourse like this:
“I am surrounded by people who can’t get to basic facts, because they are too busy trying to defend their own racial, gender, religious, or ethnic group, and trashing politicians for “Enforceing The LAW”. What kind of “just” lawlessness supporting community logic is that?”
Cat Scratch,
Don’t worry about me:) I can find my way out. I’m a tough chick!
Censored and Mackie, I have it on good authority that your hmmmmm theory is correct … namely that the immigration “issue” was designed to distract voters from the economic and foreign policy disasters they currently associate with the Bush Administration. Once Bush took the podium and insulted anyone who opposed McCain/Kennedy as predjudiced, it gave GOP strategists the perfect “issue” to seperate the party from Bush. But to do that, they would have to come dangerously close to a Prince William County-like disaster.
But before the economic consequences of PWC’s Immigration Resolution became apparent, Immigration seemed like the silver bullet to “buck a Democratic tide” as Chairman Stewart said in his election victory speech last November 6. Stirrup meanwhile had said many times that he expected Immigration to dominate the 2008 election. He isn’t saying that now.
Far be it from me to downplay the role of John McCain in defeating the Anti-Immigrant Lobby, but all he really did was stick to the same principles that guided him to write the McCain/Kennedy Bill. You could say, “Heck, he couldn’t very well have run away from a bill that had his name on it.” But really he was just following his sense of right and wrong, and his committment to sound policy. The fact that we find ourselves celebrating when a Republican politition stays true to such principles says a lot about how far the party has fallen. If McCain loses it will be because the party crumbled to pieces under Bush; not because McCain is old or doesn’t understand the economy or whatever.
We should be thankful that a candidate with integrity was even available for us to choose in the GOP field. But we should not be surprised that, given that choice, voters in the national party opted for McCain and rejected the morally bankrupt candidates like Romney and Tancredo who bent over for the Anti-Immigrant Lobby. (Actually, Tancredo is a bigot who was always ready to be the Anti-Immigrant Lobby’s Bitch, while Romney is an empty suit who will say anything to get elected, but both disgust me.)
In sum, while we should be thankful McCain is neither a bigot nor an ideological rag doll, we should also be thankful Republican voters were able to recognize that.
On the local level, that means we should look to leaders like Marty Nohe and Mike May and reject ideological rag dolls and political opportunists who have no moral objection to pandering to the likes of F.A.I.R and Help Save Manassas.
“Kgotthardt, the exodus of Hispanics did begin prior to the passage and enforcement of the resolution.” Let me clarify: the anti-immigrant crowd would have you believe this exodus caused crime to decrease. In other words, since “these people” are considered criminals, the exodus caused criminals to leave. That has been the argument from CS and HIS minions.
“If you catch a criminal “illegal” alien (even 1), using law enforcement that you previously had a “policy” to ignore, and you deport that person, you have immediately made your community “SAFER” than it was before that law enforcement was made into policy. The “individual” is no longer in the country to commit more crimes, and we all know criminals never stop at 1 crime.”
LOL! Using that logic, we can say, “If we deport at least one politician, we have saved ourselves because that’s one less person here to lie and waste our tax dollars. Lies and misappropriation of our taxes never stop at 1.” Hell, if we deport them ALL, we might even be able to come up with solutions ourselves!
KG,
Where is Bob Wills? Sounds like something he would agree with 🙂
Team Bob 🙂