122 Thoughts to “Really Corey, did our crime rate “plummet by 20%” after the “crackdown” ?”

  1. NotGregLetiecq

    Well, at least he said “after arrest.” Looks like he finally figured out what happened on April 29th! A good sign, no?

    YES, yes, everything else he said was an embarrassment to the county, but there always is a bright side. You could even see this as progress.

  2. Casual Observer

    Why is he the go-to guy for a sign that isn’t even in his jurisdiction?

  3. Cat Scratch Fever

    Good question, Casual Observer. It seems to me that a City of Manassas official would be the better person to address City of Manassas issues. I guess Corey couldn’t give up his 3 minutes of national fame for the month.

  4. NotGregLetiecq

    FAIR and Stewart probably contacted FOX saying “We want to get our crime misinformation out.” FOX said, “Okay, but it’s not really a news story in and of itself. What else do you have?” And FAIR/Stewart said, “We have this sign in Manassas.”

  5. If Mr. Fernandez were not Hispanic, spoke without an accent, and could as easily dismantle Corey Stewart’s hapless misinformation campaign as, say, most of the contributors to this blog could, I wonder if FOX “News” would be so eager to have him on the show.

  6. It’ll be interesting to see if Mr. Fernandez manages to retain his freedom of speech… in the land of the free.

  7. SecondAlamo

    My God, you folks actually support this guys actions! Talk about far left (and South). I only wish that there were more billboards, only from the other point of view, so that this whole holier than thou issue of ‘free speech’ versus common sense would come to a conclusion. If there was only one equivalent billboard from the other it would make for great entertainment. I like the comment about Corey speaking of matters not in PWC when half the people on this blog don’t live in Manassas either, and yet have definite opinions on that ‘wonderful’ billboard. Fernandez is a blight on the community, and makes a great poster child for the anti-community behavior that is brought by many illegals.

  8. Juturna

    Think the consensus here is that neither Stewart nor Fernandez represent the area well. They sound the same.

  9. SecondAlamo

    Juturna,

    I agree, but at least Corey isn’t breaking any written rules or laws in his actions. Fernandez on the other hand, geesh!

  10. Juturna

    SA – myriad of ethical laws Cory has violated in my humble opinion. They have a different standard than those laws which I agree Mr F has violated.
    Corey is charged with public trust which I believe he has simply ignored, discarded or fails to understand.

  11. SecondAlamo

    Ah Juturna, it depends on what you mean by ‘public’. In this country that usually refers to US citizens who support and defend the country.

  12. Corey is a liar and an embar-ASS-ment to this county. His misallocation of our tax dollars is grounds enough for investigation, never mind his policy taken from FAIR. LOSER LOSER LOSER.

  13. you wish

    The owners of 9500 Liberty Street have been issued another zoning violation.

    According to a letter from the city of Manassas dated July 11, Gaudencio Fernandez and Delia Alvarez violated a zoning ordinance that doesn’t allow a semi-public use on private property without a special use permit.

    On July 7 and 8, the property was used by marchers in the People’s Walk—an event designed to raise environmental and Native American concerns in the United States.

    According to the letter, cars were parked in the grass and the property was used for assembly and overnight camping.

    Fernandez obtained a special use permit application on June 30 but never filed it with the city, said Community Development Director Elizabeth Via.

    In a letter dated Dec. 10, 2007, the city advised the owners not to use the property for these type of functions without first obtaining a permit. Fernandez had hosted several events on his property, including the fifth annual religious event Guadalupana in December.

    A telephone message was left Monday for Fernandez, who has 30 days to appeal this violation. Failure to address this issue will “result in further legal action,” the letter states.

    The city and the owners are already embroiled in a legal battle over the now infamous sign that sits at the corner of Liberty and Prince William streets. A court hearing is set for Sept. 5 to resolve building and zoning violations issued by the city.

    The first violation resulted because the owners failed to apply for a permit after re-enforcing their partially demolished structure, a violation of the city building code. The owners re-enforced the structure in order to hang a more permanent political sign than the previous incarnations that were in place starting last September.

    The house, which was badly damaged by fire in 2006, was partially demolished by the owners before they decided to use the remaining wall as a way to criticize Prince William County’s resolution targeting illegal immigrants and the city’s participation in the Immigration & Customs Enforcement 287 (g) program.
    The zoning citation, the city contends, resulted from excessive litter and trash on the premises, which is against city code.

    According to city manager Lawrence Hughes, the city will be seeking a judge’s order to correct the violations.

  14. Lucky Duck

    The MJM reported this morning that Mr. Fernandez has received yet another citation for zoning violations. How many citations does it take for Mr. Fernandez to see his sign is a violation and the City is not going to go away? This sign, regardless of his message or your support or non-support is a blight on the neighborhood and in clear violation of the zoning norms that everyone else has to follow. He’s made his point, now it needs to go. He’s past the point of making a statement.

  15. They’re making a feature length movie about the mini-revolution in Prince William County. You can see the trailer here. Corey Stewart is in the movie as himself. You will see him at frame 0:23.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ksnwIUyspps

  16. Elena

    O.K., lets get back to the point of the thread though. Agreed, Mr. Fernandez’s sign is a blight. Now, back to Corey’s purposeful misinformation. THAT is the issue to me. I see SA that you did not actually address what Corey said. What are your thoughts, did Corey not understand that he was promoting a bogus result? Do YOU believe our crime data demonstrates a 20% drop in crime BECAUSE illegal aliens have been deported since the resolution was put in place 7 months ago? BTW, where is the proof they were deported? Turned over to ICE is NOT the same as deportation, or does Corey not understand that either.

  17. Juturna

    Ah Alamo….. public trust is all legal citizens. I am one.

  18. […] property spelling out the evils happening in Prince William Country. Go to Anti-BVBL’s post Really Corey, did our crime rate “plummet by 20%” after the “crackdown” ? to watch the video. Here’s a Washington Post article on the story and a quote from Fernandez […]

  19. Moon-howler

    Most of Manassas agrees with Lucky Duck, including the MJM. Time to move on. Point taken.

    SA, I don’t know why you would say

    My God, you folks actually support this guys actions! Talk about far left (and South). I only wish that there were more billboards, only from the other point of view, so that this whole holier than thou issue of ‘free speech’ versus common sense would come to a conclusion.

    you folks??? Other than uk visa, I have seen no one supporting the sign. Put that broad brush down! Shudder.

    Mr. Fernandez isn’t going to court over his speech. He is going over zoning violations. His speech, regardless of how offensive to most of us, is protected supposedly. Or at least protected enough that the city isn’t going to bring up its content.

    On the other hand, he gets another zoning violations for having tents on his property and a cook out? Seriously! What is the difference in what he did and a family reunion or graduation party? Should a friend of mine cancel her daughter’s swim party? I am not sure that isn’t just picking. Cars on the grass? Bet that isn’t the only spot that is happening.

  20. Juturna

    Elena – Corey purposeful misleading is the point of many of these posts. The digression is simply a result of the absolute frustration of dealing with the man. He doesn’t care, he doesn’t listen so what should we talk about?

  21. Moon-howler

    Back on track.

    I would venture that public trust goes even beyond legal citizens. I would say it includes all visitors also. Why is SA even questioning who ‘the public is?’

    Mr. Stewart seems to be making some bold statements that he cannot back up with facts. It is like he is pulling numbers out of…a hat. As for deportations? Can he verify that all 800 plus illegal immigrants picked up by ICE were deported? Probably not. Only a federal judge can issue a deportation order. Not all deportation orders include a free trip home.

  22. I’m too irritated with Corey to make a meaningful statement about him and his claims. I bet you didn’t notice.

    As for the sign and the functions Mr. F. has on his property, I think they are useful to a point but they are very much in the wrong place which is infuriating people. He actually got the application for special use. Why doesn’t he do anything with them?

  23. Moon-howler

    I find it odd that the Corey supporters really have nothing more to say on this thread. Is his behavior just indefensible?

  24. I’m sure the CoreyNGreg Show could like it nothing more than having this blog or any other forum discuss the immigration issue using Mr. Fernandez as Corey’s antipode. There is nothing special about Mr. Fernandez, other than the fact that Gospel Greg has, to varying degrees of success, shown that hate can be generated toward a defiant Mexican American more easily than most other Americans.

    Mr. Fernandez is a legal citizen who disapproves of the Anti-Immigrant Lobby‘s hostile take over our local government. I’m in the same camp, as are the majority of PWC citizens, regardless of ethnicity. That is the only qualification necessary to have an informed discussion about Corey Stewart’s deliberate fabrications and their impact on this community.

    Stewart feels he has no choice but to “spin” lies and misinformation nationally because (a) that’s the only useful role the Anti-Immigrant Lobby has for him, (b) he is known for only one initiative, and it’s one that has failed so miserably that it was effectively revoked inside of a year. (c) Help Save Manassas is his only remaining political base, if he lost them, he’d be dead.

    The impact on the community will be hard to measure, but my view is that as long as Corey’s spin is not challenged by his at least one of his Republican colleagues, Prince William County’s reputation will continue to suffer as a place where backward-thinking citizens allowed the Anti-Immigrant Lobby to take their government away from them. Investors, new businesses, and new residents will be taking this into consideration more than the actual letter of our infamous Immigration law. That’s why Stewart’s mouth is one of the biggest problems this county faces right now.

  25. Moon-howler, the reason why Corey supporters have nothing to say is that the news story had a built-in “out” for them. They can attack Mr. Fernandez instead. Mr. Fernandez, like Corey, is a brave man who doesn’t back down from a fight. But otherwise, I don’t think there is much value in comparing the two. Mr. Fernandez’s sign embarrasses the city and the county in ways that are easily containable. Mr. Stewart’s inept leadership and shameless lies embarrasses the county in ways that I’m not sure we CAN contain.

    Isn’t there someone else to whom we might compare Corey Stewart? How about George W. Bush? There are a number of parallels to draw for the purposes of a discussion. Here are some:

    1) Both Bush and Stewart’s public statements are a continual embarrassment to the people they represent

    2) Both Bush and Stewart’s failed leadership has been a disaster for the people they represent, and, a devastating blow to the reputation of the nation/county they represent.

    3) Both Bush and Stewart were lured into a disastrous policy by cynical partisans using designed hysteria and stoked hatred to manipulate public opinion. Both learned to use the same tactics to as part of political campaigns, believing that hate and fear were an effective way to stay popular. Both learned differently.

  26. “hate can be generated toward a defiant Mexican American more easily than most other Americans.”

    Yeah, did you read those comments in the MJM/PN online? What a crew.

  27. “Isn’t there someone else to whom we might compare Corey Stewart?”

    Yes, but NO ONE would appreciate whom I would choose.

  28. At a certain point, even the most devoted Hate Bunny learns that hate is an emotion that requires great investment and offers nothing in return.

    Give them time.

  29. Moon-howler

    WHWN,

    I too would like to see some of Corey’s republican colleagues step up to the plate and say something….ANYTHING…to show that they are not part of the hysteria and the disinformation. 20% crime reduction in crime rate? Do the other BOCS members believe this bull? Can’t they rein him in? Do they fear him? Do they not realize the emporer has no clothes?

  30. TWINAD

    And let’s not overlook his claim that over 800 people have already been deported! Where is that proof?! Yes, more than 800 may have been turned over to ICE, but let’s see how many actual deportations there have been! No way is it even 1/10th of his claim. And the killer is that he presents himself as providing “facts”. What a disgusting liar.

  31. Perhaps an open letter to the BOCS….asking why they are not trying to refute these lies?

  32. Moon-howler

    Twinad, I believe Corey says WE have deported, doesn’t he? Does he even know that it takes a federal judge to order a deportation? WE, meaning PWC, cannot deport anyone. WE can only call for ICE. He is one big DIS-INFO-mercial. No one calls him on it.

  33. TWINAD

    I did an online search to see if I could find out how many people were deported in 2007. The latest number I could find was for 2005 and 200,000 people were deported in 2005. And our esteemed leader would have everyone believe that close to 900 were deported FROM PRINCE WILLIAM COUNTY ALONE in the last year!? Right. Back it up, Corey, or back down.

  34. 200,000 was for the whole year, right?

  35. Oh yeah. I see that, Twin. Sorry.

  36. I am perplexed by the moderate Republicans on the Board as well, Moon-Howler.

    It’s quite possible that they were getting pressure from the state party not to acknowledge the “Emperor has no clothes” as you put it. In other words, there are some wishful thinkers in the party who still see Corey Stewart as a rising star. This could even be true, in fact, if the level of deception that exists in PWC could some how be exported to the rest of the state and the rest of the country.

    As it becomes clear that Stewart is not fooling anyone in PWC, I think the state party bigwigs will give up on Stewart as a new-blood savior. You see, Stewart may be young (late 30’s), but his style is very much from the old school: governing well and sound policy matter not if you can propagandize enough people to stay in power. It’s just a bad strategy that has proven disastrous for both the nation and the national party.

    But old habits die hard.

    As it becomes clear the Presidential election will not be about Anti-Immigrant hysteria (despite the wishes of John Stirrup and Corey Stewart), the other four members of the BOCS who’s loyalty is to Prince William County first and foremost should have no conflicting pressures.

    The problem is that the moderate Republicans on the Board are not willing to endure another round of GregNCorey Show political warfare. I don’t blame them honestly. The safe bet would be to wait it out. Let the media slowly sniff out the lies Corey is telling, and watch as his power-base dwindles. There also remains the possibility that Help Save Manassas and Gospel Greg will turn on Corey. This, if Corey decides to cut them loose in order to save his flailing career. If this happens, the GregNCorey Show political warfare spectacle would not need to include any of the moderate Republicans. It would be a war between the extreme right (Stewart) and the ultra-radical extreme right (Gospel Greg and HSM).

    My only problem with the Supervisors taking the wait-and-hope approach is that the county is suffering in the mean time. They assume that with the two Democrats on the Board, they can overrule the two extremists (or govern without them if they continue to exhibit the boredom and disinterest they have shown of late). But there is a reason why we have a Chairman of the BOCS. The Chairman is supposed to lead. Our government would be many times more effective if we had a Chairman that was helping the county instead of hurting it.

    The moderates on the Board would be taking a small risk politically, in order to gain big dividends for the county as a whole if they were to stand up to Chairman Stewart. If they were to do it as a team, the risk would be minimized, and the benefits to the county would be great. Let’s hope they are biding their time for one of the two scenarios I mentioned above.

  37. anonfornow

    We need to get out to the next Board meeting, Tuesday, July 22nd, and hold Corey Stewart accountable for his lies. Who will join me?

  38. TWINAD

    Anonfornow,

    I would love to, but I am on vacation next week and am greatly looking forward to it. 🙂

    I do hope some people turn out to hold him accountable, though.

  39. Elena

    Moon-Howler,
    I think you have an excellent idea, I wonder if an open letter to the editor from a group of citizens, debunking Corey’s misinformation would be useful. Or…better yet, a trip to the McCoart building to ask him personally to show us the proof of his statements?!

  40. Alanna

    Moonhowler,
    I sent some of the Supervisors an email this morning and I’m awaiting a response.

  41. anonfornow

    Alanna,
    Could you post your email to the supervisors? I’d like to send one as well.

  42. g.stone

    Deportation whether self imposed or assisted by authorities is making your county a better and safer place to live.

    Within the next two years if current trends continue you will be lucky enough to have exported the vast majority of your illegals into other jurisdictions. Those legal immigrants who stay because they have nothing to fear and no reason to flee will also be able to enjoy an overall improved quality of life along with the rest of you.

    You guys need to get your check up from the neck up and shut up. It’s working don’t screw it up now.

  43. anonfornow

    Some T-shirt and bumper sticker ideas:
    Stop the lies about my county, Mr. Stewart!
    Get away from the cameras and do some work, Corey!
    Shut the f*@k up, Corey! (courtesy of a brilliant friend)
    Corey Stewart, I’m so sick of yo ass. (courtesy of another brilliant friend)
    Corey Stewart is a big fat liar. (I read that on this blog at some point.)
    Corey Stewart, step down.
    Corey Stewart, why don’t you run for higher office and get the f*@k out of my county?
    Corey Stewart, you do not represent me.
    Corey Stewart, go back to where you came from!
    Deport Corey Stewart and Greg Letiecq!

  44. TWINAD

    g.stone,

    Hi, Corey!

    Welcome to the blog!

  45. “Corey Stewart, making Fairfax County a better place to live”

    “For Sale…Corey Stewart’s Loyalty…best price before best interest”

    “Corey Stewart 4 Mayor——Jackson Mississippi 2009”

  46. Moon-howler

    WHWN,

    I suppose I sympathize with the other Republicans. Who on earth would want to subject themselves to the lies told about people on the dark screen? It is easier to just keep your mouth shut. I almost feel like apologizing for my question.

  47. Censored bybvbl

    G.stone, why don’t you let us (the residents of PWC) be the judge of what makes our county safer or better.

    I guess I’ll fire off a few emails tomorrow.

  48. Moon-howler

    G.man isn’t Corey. We know where Corey was when G.man logged on.

    On the other hand, I do not particularly like the tone of his message–just something sinister. I also hate the expression ‘illegals.’ Illegal is an adjective, not a noun. An illegal WHAT?

  49. TWINAD

    Moonhowler,

    I know, I just couldn’t resist!

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