Maybe there is a part of me, still, that hopes Corey will also experience such an epiphany as Robb Pearson. What was clear to me, was that Robb Pearson expressed the feeling that he wasn’t he even sure how he had been caught up in this anti immigrant frenzy initially. Anti Defamation League and others, have said consistently said, that people’s concerns about immigration are being exploited by hate groups, and somehow, their message of prejudice is becoming mainstream. That is what troubles me the most about this issue, that good people are being misled, without even knowing that the words and messages they are using can easily be found on any hate group website.
(p.s. thanks casual observer for the link!)
Robb Pearson, who previously endorsed Cresitello’s call to deputize local police for federal immigration enforcement, said he underwent a personal evolution after a “rapid financial decline” and other hardships led him to relocate to Muhlenberg, Pa.
“If I had the mindset as I have now, I never would have had the rally,” Pearson said. He explained that his own challenges had given him greater empathy.
“I was caught up in the ultraconservative fervor that surrounds the illegal immigration camp,” Pearson said.
“I think we should let them stay,” Pearson added of those in the United States illegally.
Pearson’s July 28 rally near town hall drew hundreds of people, including a counter-protest in support of all immigrants.
Cresitello, who accepted an invitation from Pearson to speak, was jeered by counter-protesters and responded by deriding them as communists and Marxists.
Shortly afterward, Pearson wrote a letter to the Daily Record thanking Cresitello and vowing to press on against illegal immigration.
“I thank Mayor Donald Cresitello for his boldness in standing up against illegal immigration and in seeking to uphold the American rule of law,” Pearson wrote at the time. “I give you a promise: This is only the beginning.”
Pearson said he now believes that “prejudice or political expediency” motivates politicians — including Cresitello — to speak out against illegal immigration.
“They’re not really about solutions. They’re about building rifts. I was part of that, unwittingly or otherwise,” Pearson said.
http://dailyrecord.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080716/COMMUNITIES34/807160442&referrer=FRONTPAGECAROUSEL
Emma is beginning to remind me of the kid on the playground that just loves to buzz around from one group of kids to the next, stirring up something and telling each group what the other said about them.
Emma, you have declared your allegiances. Do you come here to poke at us with sticks? Every stuck a stick in a hornet’s nest? Know what happens?
I don’t mind making fun of Gospel Greg’s homophobia. But I’d prefer not to be reminded… ick! If we continued posting Gospel Greg’s all-time most offensive and hateful words on this thread, we’d be in the 400 comment range and without a proper discussion of the article this thread is about….
So, to try to redirect the conversation, here is my theory of where we are in history with the Anti-Immigrant Lobby.
They have seen their best days. McCain stuck a stake in their heart in New Hampshire. Without the lust of election-year partisanship, the movement will die. Most who supported it during its heyday will come to be ashamed of the fact, much the way former Segregationists are ashamed today. Robb Pearson is only one of thousands, perhaps millions who are fast on the take. The majority of former Anti-Immigrant Lobby clones will take longer, but they will follow suit.
Just as we did in past generations, our communities will come together, having learned from mistakes made on both sides of the issue. We’ll say sorry, and we’ll make amends, and perhaps be stronger for it.
Meanwhile, there will be a few who go down with the sinking Anti-Immigrant ship. Among them will be the true racists, the irredeemable ones, of which there are few. The others will be the zealous partisans who, with the sudden surge of power and importance they discovered by tapping into these veins of hysteria and intolerance, somehow found their self-identities fused with a failed movement that gave them their first taste of self-love. Some will struggle to let go, and find themselves unable to do so. I pray for these souls, and pray they won’t hurt anyone in their lonely spiral into anonymity.
You know, it’s just like they say about paranoia, just because a person is prejudice doesn’t mean that what they say isn’t the truth. It just means they aren’t going to say anything good.
WHWN,
Get it right! It’s anti-ILLEGAL-immigrant. Why do you keep perpetuating this anti-immigrant falsehood on innocent well meaning people just trying to maintain a lawful community?
Why it’s important to keep an open mind and listen to your “opposition”. Also good reason not to broadbrush folks based on one or two comments
Probably also why its a good idea not to do character assassinations on those with whom you disagree. It might come back to bite you in the ass.
jorge pollo,
I could have gone the rest of my life without revisiting that debacle on Greg’s blog!
WHWN, thanks for clarifying your point regarding Greg and his hate towards the gay community. Although, I think you could have said all that and left the insinuation about Corey and Greg out đ Corey has not demonstrated hateful comments against the gay community. I still believe that Corey does not fall in the same category as Greg, I mean look, he supported Gill and we know how anti muslim Greg is!
WHWN, you took the bait and ran with it, and you didn’t disappoint me. Your response was entirely predictable, and it embodies an almost unbelievable level of hypocrisy on your part as well as on the part of your cheerleaders here.
I’ve had my own “epiphany” here, that you and many here–and especially Elena and Alanna–are simply using the issue of illegal immigration and race as a weapon to continually smear public officials and one blogger who is exercising his free speech rights. This is really all about character assassination and the carrying out of some bitter personal vendetta, isn’t it? One only needs to click on the “About” link to figure that one out. Someone got slighted somehow, and now they are on a mission. Someone questions that mission, questions some of the lies and nastiness that get thrown out about the people you seem to hate so much, and the vendetta gets turned against that person very quickly, doesn’t it? Every time I think there is some room here for understanding, the hatred that bubbles just under the surface here rises up and the usual suspects go into attack mode.
WHWN, congratulations for being just another tool in the shed here.
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Emma,
Probably because I don’t think “accusations” (a stretch, because the way I read it, it was all in good fun “teasing” as Diversity Gal mentioned) of homosexuality is a “slam”. I don’t think there is anything wrong with being a homosexual…it is certainly not a defect in my mind. But thanks for pointing out that you think homosexuality is something to be ashamed of. I get it now. I don’t think the posters that were “speculating” on their after hours activities were serious, while your post clearly demonstrated your disgust with such a thought that a white man and hispanic woman could have a child together.
I think YOUR hatred bubbled to the surface in your post and that’s why you were called on it. I noticed I wasn’t the only “self righteous” person to point it out.
Emma, have you tut-tutted Greg about his posts/threads about gays? Have you chastised Robert Duecaster and clones for their use of the term “fat broads”? If not, your “outrage” is transparent. Which is the bigger sin in your book – poking a bit of fun at Duecaster’s name (afterall , he coined “fat broads”) or adopting a divisive resolution based on out-of-state emails? At least you’ve got to hand it to Robb Pearson because he showed the ability to reform his opinion based on gathering more information.
Haha. I’d be more inclined to consider the “others'” arguments if they actually made any. But instead I see a lot of wimps who race over holding each others’ hands and dropping such bon mots as “unbelievable”, “Every time I think there is some room here for understanding, the hatred that bubbles just under the surface here rises up”,” anti-immigrant falsehood”, “you’re as bad as the other site”, etc. They are hoping that by making these comparisons that they will somehow become true. An old political ploy. Haha – but they keep doing their drive-bys to wag their fingers and tut-tut. I’d be more impressed if they chided the Black Velvetas as well.
Very well said Censored.
Emma, 16. July 2008, 22:51
to use homosexuality as a slam against someone you hate is, ironically, homophobic in itself.
Yeah, that statement really makes me a homophobe, doesn’t it? I find it indefensible to use that sort of thing as some kind of “insult,” and I pointed out the hypocrisy of doing so. You all wanted to find a way to insult someone, and what did you come up with? The first thing that comes to your mind is homosexuality, because YOU clearly think there is something wrong with it, don’t you? Your twisted logic can work both ways now, can’t it?
Don’t you just hate it when people paint others with a broad brush?
“You all”
Donât you just hate it when people paint others with a broad brush?
Haha.
Whether or not Greg is a Homosexual, I cannot judge. I know a homosexual couple who are members of “Help Save Herndon.” Both have children from a previous marriage and in fact, that may be one of the many factors that caused Help Save Manassass to break off from Help Save Herndon. Greg also seems to have a low opinion of women in general, but whatever…though I’m hetrosexual myself, I have many friends and co-workers who are gay and bi-sexual. Greg’s sexual affairs are his own business.
… but no matter who you are; race, creed or color, when you start taking action to force your hateful agenda upon a community, that’s where you have business with me. Everyone is entitled to their opinions, but turning opinion into action via physcological or physical warfare crosses the line and in turn you will be opposed.
What the story at hand shows, is that sometimes the opposition works. 99% of the haters are motivated by some form of ignorace. In this case Pearson was given a reality check, a beautiful yet painful route of escape, of which I feel is directly awarded by a higher power. All in all, Pearson was “saved” from following a hate fueled downward spiral into self destruction, whether Divine Providence will see fit to rescue Greg or Corey, or any of the people who are following them backwards into oblivion is yet to be seen.
Censored, I’m glad to see you appreciate irony.
Emma
Have you seen the snake story on BVBL and that it’s being chalked up to cultural differences between the blog master apparently perfect yet narrowly defined culture and Asians???? Yet 45% of this years TJ’s class is Asian? Should all of TJ be worried now about snakes in luggage in the building?
I will support Greg’s right to post whatever he wants on his blog, however, he does not have that respect for others. He has lead the charge against arts, literature and theater on issues with which he disagrees and not just by disagreeing – He is vicious in his attacks of specific people.
It’s simply the how. When it comes down to it, we are all within a few degrees of agreement regarding amnesty, pathway to citizenship, deportation, gangs, blah blah blah….. It is the fact that this man’s approach – the how – is seemingly endorsed by some of our local governing body.
He can say what he wants, but outside this leeetle group of players here and on BVBL, no one is really paying too much attention. Most people in PWC don’t even know who he is. And it looks like he has been dropped by the media.
Going to go read more about Asian culture and snakes…… đ
I’m not sure how the whole ping-back thing works within a thread, but when I clicked on the one a few posts above it took me to this page, which highlights the discussion on this thread. I thought it was worth the read:
http://americanhumanity.wordpress.com/2008/07/17/not-immigrants-indians-pro-migrant-sanctuarysphere/
Here’s an excerpt:
Oh, and I have a suggestion to everyone here. I know Alanna’s stated policy is to avoid banning anyone from this blog, but this doesn’t prevent the rest of us from shunning or ignoring a poster. Emma thrives on the attention she gets here. Just like that parenting adage says, even bad attention is better than none at all. No matter how she pokes and prods, no matter how irrational or disagreeable, I will ignore her. There is no point in trying to engage her because you will never be able to lift a discussion with her out of the gutter. In fact, notice how she generally drags the rest of us down there with her. I say we don’t give her that kind of control over this blog.
Ignore her. It may take a while, and it will mean that her ridiculous statements and ad hominem attacks will go unchallenged, but this will be a better place when she finally takes her ball and goes home.
Yes, Casual, then you can sink into your cesspool of hatred for anyone who disagrees with you or tries to call you on your hypocrisy and inconsistency. Of course you would assume that I am in complete lockstep with “the other side.” That is nothing but intellectual laziness on your part that helps to excuse you for having to answer for your own hypocritical assumptions–“Emma disagrees with using homosexuality as a weapon, therefore Emma is ONE OF THEM.” You completely missed the irony behind what I was saying about Robb Pearson, which came AFTER Rod and WHWN’s attack on Greg and Corey, so I am spelling it out for you v-e-r-y s-l-o-w-l-y.
Burn bridges and put up walls as you wish. You won’t respond to this, but I know darned well you will have read it đ
Emma, I must say I admire you for posting here even after several of us have mercilessly mocked and obliterated your childish antics and almost arguments. Casual Observer, your psychological assessment is probably correct, and I commend you for not responding. But if we didn’t have Emma, this blog would be a lot less entertaining. She also provides information, inadvertently of course, that is valuable going forward.
Emma’s antics are a perfect example of why the Anti-Immigrant Lobby won’t and can’t survive in this century, not in PWC, and not anywhere there is a free society. There are far too many people with mixed heritage or mixed families or simple human decency for Emma’s world view to prevail. All the Hate Bunnies blend into one for most of us, but there is one thing and one thing only that we will forever associate with “Emma” … her hideously racist reaction to the fact that Mr. Pearson had a change of heart. Why, she ponders? Because he “knocked up a Hispanic woman.”
“Hideously racist” is a bad thing for our country, a bad thing for our county, and an unsound basis for civic action and/or local legislation. This has been my point since I joined this blog, and no one makes it better than Emma.
So please keep posting Emma. You have made those four letters, “Emma,” more than just a name. You have made them an emblem for the type of ignorance and intolerance that temporarily seized control of Prince William County’s government this time last year. You are providing a public service by demonstrating the tragic inanity that ensues when Anti-Immigrant Clones go off script. And you are doing it in the right place. Here, there is no short supply of intelligent and insightful thinkers to debunk and/or ridicule your specious attacks and foolish reasoning. We make an example of you. An example that is very valuable. It is the “Emma’s” of the world who will run your democracy for you if you don’t endeavor to get involved yourself. That is a vitally important lesson about our civic duty as Americans and as residents of this county. For this, Emma, I thank you.
You are the gift that keeps on giving. We can make an example of you each day anew. Despite all the valuable information that informs this debate and this blog, you remain a fossil from October 2007 that we can point to and say, “No, not that way.”
Juturna, Greg seems to be forgetting the local white guy who was bitten by one of his snakes and used up a large supply of antivenom. I can’t remember his name or the year it happened but I think he did some work on our house.
Censored,
Right. The guy lived in Gainesville. The antivenom was gotten from the San Fransisco zoo(if memory serves me right). If not mistaken, that the “snake charmer” had it happen again a few years later. Where’s Red Dawn? She dug up that story from the paper. I think that snake man was before Greg’s arrival in PWC. I think the snake thing happend in the 90’s.
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HSS, Chris and Censored. Why are you digging up all that snake stuff.
Censored, I think you probably win for having the most weirdos come by your house in search of work. But then again, there is Billy, the drunken tree cutter. Did the snake-man leave any of his snake children at your house?
WHWN, the “Emmas” of the world support law and reason, don’t accept your sometimes anarchic view of the way things should be, believe in comprehensive immigration reform that is fair to ALL and not just favorable to Latinos, and hope that, with amnesty of the 12-20 mil probably on the horizon with the two presidential candidates, that it will be fair and will screen out the real criminals. How very “specious.” What a “fossil.”
Get a life.
So I guess all those “Emmas” will fully “support law and reason” when this “amnesty” you say is coming takes place after the installation of one of the candidates. Right? Because it will be the “law of the land” and the law is to be respected, right?
Chris, I think the guy did get bitten a second time.
Moon-howler, DH must have figured out who he was by his last name. Either that or the guy confessed. They probably got to yakking about the snakes around the house.
Censored,
I think he was living at the eastern end or mid-county for round two. You definately win for having the colorful characters wanting to work around your house. Although, MH is right about thought Billy dude. In fact it’s about time for that crew to come knocking on the door for the umteenth time in three years.
corr: Although, MH is right about *THAT* Billy dude.
Emma, there’s nothing “anarchic” about pushing back against the Anti-Immigrant Lobby’s use of prejudice as a political rallying cry.
The fact that you can make it through one, or even several posts, without a racist meltdown is not a surprise to me. It simply demonstrates that backward-thinking relics from last century can and do function in today’s society, and can adeptly disguise their prejudice if political goals require it.
The Anti-Immigrant Lobby is not only hateful, they are deceptive. Otherwise, they would not have gained temporary control of our local government. I’m not saying you ARE the Anti-Immigrant Lobby, Emma, or even part of it. But I do commend you for demonstrating the kind of mind-set it requires to be seduced by their rhetoric.
Bottom line: you repeatedly attack us, and defend Gospel Greg and other agents of the Anti-Immigrant Lobby, and in the process you expose your underlying prejudice. That makes you more of a help to us than you are to them.
Emma
I don’t hate those with whom I disagree, most thinking people don’t. Most thinking people seek out those with whom they don’t agree for thoughtful debate!! Why is it so hard to understand that it’s how Greg handles things that gets everyone’s dander up?? I can easily defend Greg’s rights to do what he does and to think what he does about illegal immigration. I can’t morally endorse how he does it. Emma, that is the key to most folks disagreements with Greg. HOW. There are wingnuts on both blogs that appear to have the intelligence of a fruit fly and need everything in simple easy to understand language and are not capable of discernment. THen there are those who could but chose not to.
I will ask you if you think how Greg does things and how he describes other human beings is okay with you. You don’t strike me as a cruel person and that’s how I view him. Most of the crud here is locker room variety – the gay nonsense. But it’s not a serious attempt to ruin a career which I believe Greg did to Jeff Dion. I am talking cruel, seriously cruel.
Censored & MH,
Here’s the link. Scan down to 8/26/95 there’s three bits of the story. Then go up to 12/01/1997 to Triangle, VA. I think this is the same dude. Note 6th bite by 1 of 10 venemous snakes.
Red Dawn, thanks for the link.
http://www.api4animals.org/popups/a3b_captive_animal_incidents.php
That time frame sounds right, Chris.
Well, Twinad, democracy works both ways, doesn’t it? There are people here who discredited the idea that the majority spoke when Corey Stewart was elected, because of the poor turnout on election day. But the fact remains that he won, didn’t he, and then he moved forward with what his voters wanted him to do. You don’t have to like it; you can be a sore loser and whine about it online, or you can get everyone you know out to vote and you can work for change. Did you bother to show up on election day?
Or maybe you prefer the Mexican system of dealing with dissenters, who very often simply disappear.
Emma,
As a matter of fact, I did show up to cast votes for the opposition to Corey and John Stirrup. And they moved forward on what a small, vocal minority of constituents wanted. Now the opposition is more well organized and has caught on to what HSM and FAIR propagated upon our County. Oh, yes, I prefer the Mexican system of dealing with dissenters…what a lame comment.
So anyway, that is why I am now contacting the BOS regularly to let them know that not all PWC residents are bigots and ignorant. Too bad Corey counts all emails to him as in support of him! I got several automatic messages from his e-mail thanking me for “my support” of his immigration “initiative”. Too bad my messages were not in support! So he goes around using the number of e-mails he gets in support of him, when in reality, he counts them all as support whether or not they are! Nice.
I don’t use email–automated or otherwise–when I contact elected officials, Twinad. I actually type out letters, sign my name to them and put stamps on the envelopes. Remember those? And I have sent a number of those in the last year, as well as made several phone calls, and I have gotten calls and letters back in every case.
I applaud you for your email activism, Twinad. But if you really want to be heard, you might have to leave your chair and your keyboard and at least use a phone or walk out to the mailbox. Then your email won’t be counted among the thousands they receive every day, and you might actually get to talk to them.
Emma
I guess I will take your lack of response as an affirmative? đ
TWINAD, I got the same thank yous for my opposing emails (typed out, not automated, and signed) from Corey as you did. I guess mine are tallied in support as well.
Check out this news article from July 12th. Charlottesville. Now not only has PWC enjoyed a 19.3% decrease in crime, PWC has save MILLIONS. Now, why doesn’t Mr. S buy the cameras for the police and get on Kettle Run school witht he MILLIONS.
Hope the link works, I stink at this…. đ
http://c-ville.com/index.php?cat=1991704080566501&act=post&pid=12031207084029961
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Emma,
I prefer to send my communication to the BOS via e-mail and one would expect to have it reviewed to find out what position the e-mailer has! Especially when the subject header in the e-mail says “Support Frank Principi!” I got an automated response from Corey’s office with hte “Support Frank Principi!” in the subject line that then goes on to thank me for my support of Corey!
I have spoken at Citizen’s Time, so yes, I have gotten out of my chair and made it past my mailbox all the way down to the McCoart building to make my feelings known, if you must know.
Emma, most of the people here who have commented today, don’t even understand what the term “democracy” means. They are transforming the country into an autocracy.
An autocracy is a form of government in which the political power is held by a single self-appointed ruler or self-appointed racial, gender, religious, or ethnic group.
Democracy is a system of government by which political sovereignty is retained by the people and exercised directly by citizens as “individuals”. In modern times it has also been used to refer to a constitutional republic where the people have a voice through their elected representatives.
Sovereignty means establishing a border, a common law, enforcing that law fairly and equitably on everyone, discouraging lawlessness, preventing “illegal” entry into your sovereign border, and establishing a common integrated culture from which your nation prospers and defends itself as an identity of “freedom”, democracy and common political ideology to support government by the people, for the people, not government by the political racial, gender, religious, ethnic groups for the racial, gender, religious, ethnic groups.
The first principle is that all members of the society have equal access to power (the majority exerts its will by individual vote, and the majority decides the direction of the nation) and the second that all members enjoy universally recognised freedoms and liberties. This power of the indivudual cannot be usurped through the tyranny of “factions”, which usually align agaist the people and the existing free democratic government in an attempt to topple it (a military or political faction takeover) along political lines of power formed by racial, gender, religious, and ethnic militant and political groups.
There are several varieties of democracy, some of which provide better representation and more freedoms for their citizens than others.
However, if any democracy is not carefully legislated to avoid an uneven distribution of political power with balances such as the separation of powers, then a branch of the system of rule is able to accumulate power in a way that is harmful to democracy itself. The “majority rule” is often described as a characteristic feature of democracy, but without responsible government it is also possible for the rights of a minority to be abused by the “tyranny of the majority”. It is equally possible the rights of the “majority” may be abused by the “tyranny of the minority”, who use political factions and elected officials, bought with corporate or advocacy funding (Political action Committee, racial, gender, religious, ethnic group political advocacy funds), to buy enough votes to counter the effects of majority rule. When this occurs the power is no longer in the hands of the people, but now in the hands of politically funded advocacy groups aligned along racial, gender, religious and ethnic group lines of power and the government is no longer a democracy, but a group led dictatorship. This is how most dictatorships and takeovers are funded and won in countries without democracy, typically in socialist movements by radical political leaders of these groups and “antagonistic visionaries” . (Marx, Lenin, Stalin, Hitler, Castro, Mao, Ayatollah, Saddam Hueissen, etc). An essential process in representative democracies are competitive elections, that are fair both substantively and procedurally and not swayed or corrupted by group advocacy radical factions and criminal elements in the government placed there by these racial, gender, religious and ethnic group factions. Furthermore, freedom of political expression, freedom of speech and freedom of the press are essential so that citizens are informed and able to vote “entirely” in their personal interests based entirely on personal conviction. Increasingly these convictions are being swayed not by a two party “democrat and republican system”, but by hidden multi-party racial, gender, religious and ethnic group political system that removes power from the people by ignoring political and civil law. It is the blatent claim that the law does not apply to them, that permits them to operate outside of the law furthering the group’s and its radial leaders political agenda’s and corrupt elections.
Popular sovereignty is common but not a universal motivating philosophy for establishing a democracy. In some countries, democracy is based on the philosophical principle of equal rights. Equal rights really means equal law, and equal enforcement of the law, regardless of race, gender, religion or ethnic group “social law” which is often as diverse as the political groups. Many people use the term “democracy” as shorthand for liberal democracy, which may include additional elements such as political pluralism, equality before the law, “freedom from the law” and the right to petition elected officials for redress of percieved grievances as a group girevience, rather than an individual rights greivance, due process, civil liberties for groups rather than individuals, human rights for individuals, and elements of civil society typically operating outside the law, on the fringe of the law and outside the government’s legal influence. Democracy has its origins in Ancient Greece. It was a vote given to each individual literally, with the dropping of a stone into an urn. However other cultures have significantly contributed to the evolution of democracy such as Ancient Rome, Europe, and North and South America and more modern “political” racial, gender, religious and ethnic groups much to the detriment of true democracy. Democracy has been called the “last form of government” and has spread considerably across the globe.
Threats to Democracy:
Political Groups aligned along lines of power broken into race, gender, Religion and ethnic group can confuse the priorities of voters and, in extreme cases, can be used to sway voters in order to usurp power. This is the reason most dictators in third world sountires obtain and gain political power. They align with militant, religious, ethnic or criminal groups and use fear and political “propaganda” to convince the masses to join thier political cause. Many people have strong allegiance to their race, gender, religion, and ethnic group, more so than to their nation or to the democratic process. One need only convince such people that their races, gender’s, religion’s and ethnic groups moral values dictate something ( a community group think), or that it is the will of their ethnic, gender, racial or religious leader “deity” of choice, and they will blindly cast their votes for it without regard for principles like freedom, equitable law, individual rights and individual freedoms. In the best cases, this promotes the tyranny of the ethnic, racial, religious group political strategy to help themselves and themselves only (the dark side of democracy), and in the worst, can lead to democracies being replaced by dictatorships, criminal political elements, socialist ideologies, ethic group ideologies of hatred toward others no in their ethnic group or race, theocracies or “ordained” dictatorships.
Michael, you are right, but I’m afraid that the thinking on this thread will never go that deep. Many of the posters are just determined to be right, whatever it takes, no matter how spurious the lies they are propagating. Your thesis is correct, but this is more about vendetta than about intelligent debate.
One thing I’ll say for Emma is that she doesn’t waste us as much space as Michael. Does anyone here still bother to read posts by Michael? I’ll admit I reach for the scroll button….
But Emma, you’re so cute. Your position is clear in once sentence (like Michael’s) but you don’t then go on for another ten or twelve paragraphs. Thank you for that. Also, I agree with WHWN, you’ve done more to make our case than any single Hate Bunny or Gospel Greg Clone on this blog. Now that you’ve unmasked yourself with the “he had sex with a Hispanic” attack, we appreciate anything you post in the name of the Anti-Immigrant Lobby, which does only a slightly better job than you do at disguising their racist motivations.
I imagine Michael serves the same purpose based on comments he wrote before I started tuning him out. But because it takes him 10 paragraphs to prove he is what he is, I vote for Emma as our MVP (Most Valuable Poster).
Uncle…..
Juturna,
You did good…( like a patch on a smoker, trying to quit ,lol)
Why does everyone here try to keep referring to people as part of the “Anti-Immigrant” lobby? it is anti-illegal immigrant, not anti-immigrant. BIG DIFFERENCE. Of course, it is just another attempt to pull out the race card. I don’t think there’s anyone who posts on this blog that is “anti-immigrant”.
An observer,
Good point…damn it…here is another song……..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=86PM0elnRU0
NGL, here’s a short one for you (sincd you don’t think a long paragraph has any valuable content, (and therefore expediency is accuracy and truth).
Not to single any one country out, but why do you think the IRP political party has been in power for 71 years, and is the main reason why “democracy” does not exist in Mexico?
Could it have anyting to do with corruption and political support of “lawlessness”, so that political leaders and “elections” can operate outside of the law?
I want the law enforced in this country, I don’t care what law it is, it is made by a “majority” vote of “individuals”, not by the desires of a minority GROUP to take care of only their own race, gender, religious or ethnic group all all costs just because they want more of their own race, gender, religious, or ethnic group in the country to influence political laws and votes along these same “criminal and corrupt” lines of political and electorate power. That is what happens in other countries (hundreds of them) that have “criminal” dictators and no democracy.
That is what is wrong with supporting “illegal” immigration.
Is that short enough for you?
Not Greg L,
LOL! I had just finished scrolling past his post after I read the first paragraph and then came upon yours!
So, Michael, I did read the second post…”you want the law enforced in this country, you don’t care what the law is”. So by this, when our lawmakers DO finally pass some comprehensive immigration reform that WILL allow at least some of those here illegally now to stay, you will be quiet? Because the “majority” will have spoken.
I hear a lot of moaning about the two candidates for president left standing from some people on this blog and “the Other”, but I must be a member of the majority of citizens, because I actually think America got it exactly right this time! I won’t vote for McCain, but he was absolutely the best choice out of the field of Republican’s. I supported Obama, but if Hilary had prevailed, I would absolutely have supported her, too.
NotGregLetiecq, I am honored. And most definitely, as you say, cute.
Again, such hypocrisy!! You let the whole using-homosexuality-as-a-weapon-to-defame thing go unchallenged, but are horrified at the “sex-with-a-Hispanic comment,” as you call it. I guess calling someone you don’t like “gay” was intended only in the kindest and most respectful sense, of course–no malice intended there, but, really, those of you who thought that was ok and then attacked me when I threw that out in response are showing your own true colors. Congratulations on your predictability. You would rather run with your assumptions about my “racism” than see the point I was making. Your sense of moral superiority is staggering.
I am glad you find my writing so succinct and valuable. Surprising that you would think that, considering your reading comprehension leaves a little to be desired.
NotGregLetiecq, add me to the scrollers. It’s usually the same whine from a white guy who doesn’t understand and refuses to acknowledge the reasons why ethnic, racial, and gender groups don’t think as he does. Laws are always influenced by the group that writes them. The laws may strive for neutrality but it sometimes eludes them.