I understand that there are legal issues with this case. I know that many some will say “She got what she deserved, after all, she was in this country illegaly, and was given prior deportation notices.” To the men who have NO clue what childbirth entails, this was cruel and unusual punishment, her 8th amendment rights were violated in my mind. No woman, in the midst of labor, is going to be a flight risk out of a hospital. Furthermore, she was kept chained AFTER she gave birth, for six hours, and was denied her G-d given right to breastfeed her newborn. I am sickend and appalled by this case.
p.s. hyperlink located on the word “case”, click on it and it leads you to the video
For the first time Rick I will call you something: STUPID! You can go to BVBL and tell your friends that I call you a name. You cannot say that something is OK unless you have experienced.
Have you experienced torture?
Also, what is your problem with Spanish-speaking people? I speak Spanish and I don’t expect to be treated differently.
I won’t call you racist (which is what you want) but your opinions show a lack of empathy for human beings.
“Off now to live my miserable life and smack a few stray dogs with baseball bats”… Go to the 7-11 and do it to day laborers. Even better take a bucket with water and try waterboarding. They are mocking the legal system so they are worse than dogs. By the way, Do you have dogs? Would you do the same thing to them?
I never abused a dog but I have seen others wack them hard enough with baseball bats to kill them … that’s what some kids where I grew up are taught to do with stray dogs that follow them home. I wouldn’t do that myself, but I’d certainly inconvenience and even hurt the dog, before me or anyone else had to resort to nearly killing them with a baseball bat. I know the world is a far harsher place than many of you can deal with. Most of you are afraid to “kick” the illegal aliens and you encourage them to come here, History and human nature show that eventually something bad will happen to them.
Did you all see the artcle today about the illegal alien who lived in Sanctuary DC and may well have killed Chandra Levy? He was let loose on a burglary charge and then attacked two women? Does HE deserve a wack with a baseball bat? I think so.
No Rick, I realize how harsh the world is – you are elightening me with each new post. I just reserve the righteous anger for those people will terminally ill children. People like you are not deserving of that righteous anger when there are people with far more serious situations than yours. But people like you will never see that. 🙂
Of course I think the guy should be wacked…… but how do you equalize that with a woman in labor?
Elena said:
“this woman was treated like an animal”
Seems to me, from the information I’ve read, she was treated like a flight risk.
Elena said:
“I have empathy for communities that are struggling with many neighborhood issues”
No. You pay lip service to them. That’s obvious.
Rick did you get your ass kicked a lot as a kid? or are you trying to make up for the lack of it in the present?
Mando, you like to take a lot of cheap shots at Elena. What have you done to help your community? Elena is a good public speaker and she has used that talent. I get the impression that some of you guys/gals want everyone to physically come out to your neighborhoods and solve all your problems. We’re asking that you at least be as involved as you expect us to be.
I took a tour last night of some of the neighborhoods in Manassas that have generated many complaints – GTS, Point of Woods, Ashton Glen, and a couple others. I see the main problem in most of these areas being the number of units that were allowed to be built and a large number of for sale/foreclosures. The parking allowances are pathetic and I can see where parking could become a contentious issue. It’s a problem in most townhouse developments but the sheer number of units in some of those neighborhoods makes it worse.
“Mando, you like to take a lot of cheap shots at Elena.”
No. I take issue with those insulated from the problem taking issue with those whom deal with the problem on a daily basis. Especially to the degree as some on this blog.
Like officials and residents in MD last year. The rhetoric was INCREDIBLE… until… the exodus… changed course… and headed to MD. After that, the rhetoric kinda vaporized. Arlington as well. Hypocracy at its finest. The PBS case was my favorite. That one takes the cake. Let’s MOAN and WAIL about the plight of the day laborers… waitaminute… they’re setting up shop across the street!?!?!? WHOAA WHOOAAA WHOAAAAA!!!
I guess I’ll just have to wait for the exodus to Haymarket for the rhetoric here to ebb.
“What have you done to help your community?”
My fair share but of course I could always do more. Seems to be working for the most part. Still a long way to go though.
While I didn’t read where she was denied the ability to breast feed her baby. Did I miss it in the article, or are you assuming that? Perhaps having both hands restrained was a bit of overkill, I think in your pity for this woman, you are missing a few key points. First, she was deported before. She had to know that if she were caught again, the law would be much tougher on her. Second, she is a repeated and habitual offender with regards to her driving without a license. She had to know that one of these days a stop would result in an arrest, with her being a previousley deported illegal alien.
Why so much sympathy for someone who repeatedly breaks Federal and State law? Oh, that’s right. She was just here in search of a better life. You know what? My life would be much better if I had a 72″ plasma TV and a Porsche. Since I don’t have one, I guess it’s my right to take someone elses.
Let’s go through the story and substitute the word ‘kidney stone’ or ‘heart attack’ for childbirth, or perhaps ‘nuts in a vise-grip.’ The black velvets wouldn’t admit that it bothered them if it were (best black velvet voice) AN ILLEGAL but I bet they would wince where we can’t see them 😉
Right guys? I know, you can’t confirm that. Your silence is now deafening.
Censored – I could not let your comment about your tour of neighborhoods including Point of Woods go by. I wish parking were by far the worst problem in Point of Woods. In fact, on my block there is enough spaces for 2 cars per townhouse, with even a few extra spaces beyond that left over. And, by the HOA rules, you are only allowed to park 2 cars per townhouse in the lot, the rest must be parked on the street (Stonewall Road). Now, admittedly in some older pieces of Point of Woods there may not be enough spaces for 2 cars per lot. But anyway, parking is the least of the problems. AND, all the foreclosures on my block are former flophouses – good riddance to them. Two of those, and some other foreclosures, were bought at the height of the real estate craziness when the townhouses were selling for $360K or more – ridiculous prices by any stretch of the imagination.
Finally, that’s not the worst of the problems – other problems are huge amounts of broken glass (daily – as I’ve tried many times cleaning it up and it just comes back sometimes as often as the next day), graffiti (some brand new gang graffiti in Stonewall Park as of yesterday), crime (go take a look at the City of Manassass police blotter for the past few months in Point of Woods and you’ll see what I mean).
To say the main problems in the neighbhorhood are the number of units compared to parking, and currently the number of for sale/foreclosures – is definitely minimizing the problems, to say the least.
Finally, I hope you aren’t painting everyone with a broad brush as not trying to be invovled in our neighborhoods. I have tried for awhile, but I finally have decided to throw in the towel and move out. I hope the neighborhood will turn around, but I’m not waiting for it to do so.
And with that comment, I’m going to go back to not posting on here. My reasons for not posting are unchanged from before, so I won’t go back and repeat them. But, I could not let these inaccurate comments about the neighborhoods (at least Point of Woods) go by unchallenged.
It is easy for the people who don’t live in these neighborhoods, to make it sound like the problems are easy to solve when they are not. Well, maybe I’ll have a different point of view when I move to my new house, and can make the same kind of comments. It’s funny how some of the people who don’t live in these neighborhoods think solving the problems in them are so easy.
Mando, Elena didn’t have to have Mrs. Yeargo to know what a bad neighborhood is. She doesn’t have to be a martyr and live in a 50 year old decaying neighborhood to have empathy. She could have come from her own bad neighborhood and had the sense to get out when the getting was good.
You don’t have to have syphilis to know how to treat it or that you don’t want it.
“Let’s go through the story and substitute the word ‘kidney stone’ or ‘heart attack’ for childbirth, or perhaps ‘nuts in a vise-grip.’ The black velvets wouldn’t admit that it bothered them if it were (best black velvet voice) AN ILLEGAL but I bet they would wince where we can’t see them ”
As a 5 time survivor of kidney stones (which have been admitted by women that have given birth to be worse on the pain scale), if I’m thrown in the slammer for something I did I wouldn’t expect sympathy or leniency. I wouldn’t wince. I believe in something called responsibility.
“She could have come from her own bad neighborhood and had the sense to get out when the getting was good.”
I just wanted to reemphasize that statement. I guess we all should just flee for more segregated areas. Then we can start a blog and chastise those staying in their neighborhoods fighting for their communities while we hide behind a banner of diversity and sympathy. What a bunch of horse shit.
My neighborhood isn’t bad nor has it ever been. It could get there real quick if everyone just fled.
I’m thrown in the slammer for something I did I wouldn’t expect sympathy or leniency. I wouldn’t wince. I believe in something called responsibility.
Now, now, Mando, I don’t believe for one minute that you wouldn’t wince or expect sympathy. I’ve had kidney stones as had my father. I can’t compare that with childbirth but kidney stones can bring ya to your knees!
LPOW, I think that I’ve heard 3-4% of the housing stock in the City is overcrowded (or was overcrowded) so even the neighborhoods with problems are still relatively unaffected. Crime (burglary, car break-ins) exists in plenty of neighborhoods but is usually fairly rare. Basically, townhouse communities don’t have enough parking and people tend to get pissy when they come home from work after a long commute on our crowded roads or from a trip to the grocery store and can’t find a spot near their house. Repeat that often enough and tension between neighbors rises.
Mando, what sort of neighborhoods are we supposed to live in? My opinions are probably very similar to Elena’s and I live in a neighborhood that is mixed – by income, by house size and price, by careers, by education, by sexual orientation. Do I need to move to your neighborhood in order to have a valid view on immigration?
“Now, now, Mando, I don’t believe for one minute that you wouldn’t wince or expect sympathy. I’ve had kidney stones as had my father. I can’t compare that with childbirth but kidney stones can bring ya to your knees!”
5 times here. No joke. Hit me annually. Once for over a week.
Cuff me to a bed if I deserve it just don’t punch me in the side. That would be overboard. Let me drink water and pee. That would be all I ask.
“My opinions are probably very similar to Elena’s and I live in a neighborhood that is mixed – by income, by house size and price, by careers, by education, by sexual orientation.”
Flop houses?
Mando, the house next to me was over-crowded (by whites). Drainfield issues took care of that problem. There was even a illegal campground within our community. Zoning took care of that although it took 6 months. To talk to a couple women in this neighborhood, you’d think that we had an over-crowded house. Woooo. It is occupied by Hispanics and they do have five or six well-maintained trucks in the front yard. The complainers have shabby wooden fences, unrepaired cars, and an assortment of crapola in their yards, but they fail to see the irony – or their bigotry.
The occasional problem crops up, but we deal with it as we would have dealt with any zoning, building code, health related issue in the last twenty-five years.
Elena didn’t start the blog. Elena isn’t the blog owner. Elena is one of the administrators on this blog as am I. What on earth difference does it make where she lives? If Elena moved into my house would that give her the right, in some of your minds, to have an opinion?
I don’t live in Haymarket. In fact, I live right down here in the trenches. What attributes will you use to attempt to invalidate MY opinions?
Oh and as for the flop houses…I live next door to a house that takes in boarders. I would not characterize it as a flop house, but the owner definitely rents out rooms.
NOW am I allowed to have a voice here?
Rick,
I guess that in your world you only accept dogs and the “upper class” white people who as you said can afford $400k houses.
Keep posting don’t go away. Your statements show the minds (uneducated or ignorant) of people who are against immigration. i said immigration because you cannot accept anyone who doesn’t look like you.
Censored – fine, the parking stuff might apply to other neighborhoods or maybe parts of Point of Woods, but it doesn’t apply to my street. Especially with the foreclosures that were flophouses – ever since they became vacant even late at night there’s at least 5 empty spaces in the parking lot on my block. The problems on my block and near it (and there are many) have nothing to do with lack of parking, that’s for sure.
“Oh and as for the flop houses…I live next door to a house that takes in boarders. I would not characterize it as a flop house, but the owner definitely rents out rooms.”
If you neighbor rents a room to more than one person, then your neighbor is breaking the law. If you rent to more than one person, you meet the legal definition of running a boarding house, and boarding houses are illegal in PWC, Manassas, and Manassas Park.
Ed, I thought that up to four (?) unrelated people could rent a house in some jurisdictions. Or one family and two unrelated adults.
@ Censored and Moon-howler
You are certainly welcome to your opinions. If you live in the trenches as you say, then your opinions have more weight then someone that doesn’t.
Physicians will tell you that women in labor need to be mobile so that they can assume various positions as needed and so they can quickly be moved to an operating room. Having a woman restrained compromises the ability assume proper position for delivery and treatment. The mother and baby’s health could be compromised if there were complications during delivery such as hemorrhage or decrease in fetal heart beat. If there were a need for a C Section, the mother needs to be moved to an operating room immediately and a delay of even five minutes could result in permanent brain damage for the baby.
The treatment of Ms. Villegas was cruel and inhumane. We do not even treat our animals in this fashion. She was not a threat to anyone, not a violent criminal and was not going to flee. If the Sheriff thought she was a threat then maybe posting someone outside her door would have been sufficient.
Good lord. Enough rhetoric.
It’s not an uncommon practice. Google it. This woman was not cuffed because she was hispanic.
Mando, as PWC residents we all have our own priorities. It doesn’t negate the other guy’s priority but it doesn’t make it ours. The priorities are just different and we rank them differently when we fill out the county’s “satisfaction” survey. I’m not a particularly emotional type of person. I come to the immigration debate as someone who has lived through an era in the deeper South and who doesn’t like the way the issue of immigration has been handled in this county. There wasn’t much public discourse prior to enactment of the immigration resolution. (See the original proposals to see how Draconian the resolution would have been had Letiecq and co-horts had their way.) I see this as a fairness and common sense issue. Many people are in this country “illegally” because of paperwork issues and loopholes in our laws and immigration policy. They aren’t all over-crowding our neighborhoods, peeing on their front lawns, oogling the neighborhood teenagers, driving without licenses. The BVBL spin would have everyone believe that they are and the FAIR-generated emails would have the BOCS believe that the majority of the residents believe that as well. I merely want the debate to be honest.
“The BVBL spin would have everyone believe that they are and the FAIR-generated emails would have the BOCS believe that the majority of the residents believe that as well. I merely want the debate to be honest.”
And the anti-BVBL spin would have the BOCS believe we’re carrying out genocide and ethnic cleansing. Chaining hispanic women while they labor in agony!!! The humanity!!!
What exactly does this thread have to do with illegal immigration?
Mando, do you think that woman would have been chained to her bed had she not been determined to be in the US illegally? Do you think she would have been taken into the jail and not released with a ticket if not for her immigration status?
Like I said. It’s a common practice to CUFF PREGNANT WOMEN whom pose a flight risk. Don’t think we’re chaining hispanics here becuase they’re hispanic.
I guess it’s all in how you want to absorb the rhetoric.
The poor cop here is probably going to get raked through the coals for following protocol.
Any cop who couldn’t outrun a nine-month pregnant woman should probably hand in his or her badge. 😉
Hi, Marie! Welcome back! 🙂
“Any cop who couldn’t outrun a nine-month pregnant woman should probably hand in his or her badge. ”
Well yeah. If the issue is cuffing pregnant women, with the limited information I have on the practice, can’t say that I agree with it unless they’re raving psycho lunatics.
I live in a single family house. I have lived in a lot worse area than I live now. I escaped. Yes, I am guilty of white flight, many years ago.
As for my neighbor renting out rooms, as long as they don’t cause me a problem, I am up for the old adage of ‘live and let live.’ They cause me a problem, then I start looking at the legality vs illegality. I have an ultimate trump card should I need it.
I believe the law is very iffy on what constitutes a boarding house and what does not. I am of the mind that the law needs to be tightened up a great deal. I also understand that PWC is dependent on what the state say.
I have a relative that lives in Stonington. They will tow your car at the drop of a hat. They do not fool around. If Stonington can be the car-towing nazis, what is wrong with some of these other HOAs? And as for the use the the word ‘Nazi,’ I never agreed not to use it. I say it without apology. That word became incorporated into our speech the last half of the 20th century.
Mando, I am sorry you have recurring kidney stones. The people I have known who have had been in horrible pain. My husband has gout, which is their first cousin. He is in extreme pain with it but I hear kidney stones are far worse. I hope you are staying away from lamb and other things that aggrevate them.
LPOW, how was your time away from us?
As for Point of Woods and its neighborhood problems…I am friends with an African-American family that left POW for Woodbridge in the 90s. They told me it was because the KKK was distributing information in the neighborhood. Yikes!
Sounds like BS to me. My fiance lived in POW’s most of her childhood. It was a very diverse neighborhood in the 80’s and 90’s.
The woman should not have been handcuffed during her hospitial stay. If she was a flight risk, she was accompanied by a correction’s officer or a sheriff’s deputy who could have waited outside the door. No excuse for the sheriff’s department’s actions while she was in the hospital. Common sense should prevail and concern for the person’s physical well being above all else.
By the way, anyone who has been deported and re-enters the US is considered under federal code to be a felon. It is also a Virginia code violation as a felony and if the computer check returns that information that person can be taken into custody.
If anyone is driving in Virginia without a license, they will in virtually all instances, be taken into physical custody and brought before a magistrate who will decide whether to release that person on a bond or commit them to jail In this jurisdiction. If that person is an illegal alien, more than likely they will be going to jail to await a court appearance the next day. That article is wrong that she should have been released because she presented an ID from another country. Virginia police do not accept another Nation’s Identification except for a valid Visa or Passport. A valid vehicle registration is no considered to be valid ID.
Still, there is no excuse for her hospital treatment and such actions cannot be defended nor tolerated.
Thank you Lucky Duck. Sound like they are missing a bit of professionalism at that agency. I wonder if that Police Department enjoys a 90% satisfaction with Police Behaviours, regardless of race of respondent, as does PWCPD.
Again, good manners. This situation mean bad manners and a gross lack of -professionalism. The officers are not judges and must remain objective. There role is custody and care not sentencing… good point Lucky Duck.
Yep, I grew up in Manassas City (80s and 90s), and always had friends that lived in Point of Woods. I know that neighborhood has lots of diversity. Where does it say that the KKK can’t drop stuff on people’s lawns in a diverse neighborhood? Didn’t the same thing happen more recently in other areas of Prince William County?
I heard this story from the family back in 1999, when I met them. I can’t think of a reason why they would just come up with that and spin some sort of elaborate lie out of the blue. I guess you don’t have to believe it if you don’t want to.
Rick Bentley et al who feel their civil rights are being trampled on by illegals –
help is on the way. I have contacted the National Action Network about issues in Manassas, surrounding areas and those that are in need of help for their crisis….. Unfortunately, I can’t fill out the forms or prepare the complaint for you. They want real names and stuff. Looks like they cover just about all of your complaints. Not sure if the County’s civil right commission is still intact, darn just when some government services are needed….. but you might try them as well.
Let us know how it work out!! 🙂
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Juturna
So does this mean Tawana Brawley will be the main attraction at the fair…… diving donkey will pale by comparision. Will she will be wearing a HSM shirt sporting Obama for Prez….. I know HSM is a diverse civic group.
maybe this illegal and her kid can come to elena’s house to breastfeed. wah…….
this anchor baby needs to head back home (along with the mother). Dont know why all the whining, in 3rd world countries I thought they abandoned their children. Dont you know this kid is going to grow up to be a member of ms-13 anyway so send them back now.
ALL ILLEGALS NEED TO BE GONE FROM PWC!! GOD PRAISE THE RESOLUTION, GOD PRAISE THE 287G PROGRAM, GOD PRAISE STUPID PEOPLE LIKE ELENA AND ALANNA ARE NOT POLITICIANS!!!
HALLELEUYA!!!!
SIVLE – must call you that. Cannot denigrate such a great man.
Just rolling my eyes at that last comment of yours. I see a deathbed conversion in your future….. keep your fingers crossed it works.
SIVLE? Uh oh…sounds to much like “civil”. Better make it “SNIVLE”
Juturna,
Excellent point “The King” should not be compared to the free Elvis knock off that posts here. And, silly me I thought Elvis was dead.
Snivle – works for me……
Think that is called autological – word that describes itself? Is there something else I am thinking of?????