Since the “crackdown” on illegal immigration began a year ago, our respected and beloved Chief Charlie Deane has been placed on the frontline of an ugly political battle. He is a good soldier and has tried to carry out this ill-conceived order with as much integrity and intelligence as possible. Without Chief Deane at the helm of the police department, I’m certain that the morale of the department would have slumped during the turmoil and the county would have experienced real disorder. I have been very grateful to him for not quitting the job even when he was attacked by Chairman Corey Stewart and nativist blogger Greg Letiecq for the stupid charge of committing “treason” for attending an information session about the immigration policy organized by the Mexican consulate. He tried his best to warn the Board just before the first vote on the Immigration Resolution on July 10th that the Resolution would lead to “unintended consequences.” In his brief speech, he pretty much predicted what’s happened to our county in the past year since Corey Stewart and John Stirrup decided to use illegal immigration to get themselves reelected.
Kristen Mack has written an extensive profile of Chief Deane published on the front page of the Washington Post Metro section today. It’s full of good personal details about the Chief, but there are enormous holes in the story. It fails to address the crux of the matter. Chief Deane is in the “uneasy position” that he is in because of Stewart’s leadership tactics: grandstanding, lying, and bullying. The Chairman, bless his heart, has no real regard for the wisdom and expertise of professional public servants in the government such as Chief Deane or County Executive Craig Gerhart. As long as Stewart engages in governing according to the Rovean principle of a “permanent campaign,” many good people in our government will be in “uneasy positions” and will consider leaving. We must find a way of containing the damage done by Stewart’s failure in leadership so that great public servants like Chief Deane can thrive in his job instead of being stymied by having to spend their time ducking and dodging Corey’s crap and Greg’s army.
That’s a fine article. All hail the Chief! Notice the interesting wording when the article mentions crime statistics:
You could read that and, (1) not be aware of the five-year trend of crime going down, (2) read than and assume there’s a connection between the downward trending and the Anti-Immigrant Lobby’s arrival in PWC last April. (3) read that and not know that crime is slightly up, bucking the five-year trend, since the Anti-Immigrant Lobby first installed its ill-conceived and unconstitutional resolution.
Excellent summation, Elena. WHWN is right, All Hail to the Chief.
What a splendid tribute to an almost 40 year career in Prince William County.
It saddens me that anyone would attempt to impugn his reputation. In fairness to Corey Stewart, I have never heard him say anything negative about the Chief. Yet when he did hear the chief of the Black Velvets talking smack, he should have stood up and defended this country employee from the roof tops rather than send him a list of 20 questions to answer.
The longest serving police chief in the area deserves more respect that this from an elected official. After that happened, it was impossible for me to think there was anything good about HSM.
Moon-howler, Corey didn’t attack the Chief publicly, but that doesn’t mean he didn’t attack him. One of the basic foundations of TheGregNCorey Show is that Gospel Greg is called upon to do the dirty work in order to keep Corey’s nose clean in the eyes of “low-information voters.” Corey was feeding the “treason” b.s. to Greg who posted it on his blog so Corey could publicly say “huh, what? wasn’t me.”
Kristen Mack deserves credit for this article. It’s good to humanize those we see as heroes. It helps us see that there is potential in ALL human beings to be heroes when we see that even the most courageous and true among us are not so different when you get down to it.
I love the bit where it says Chief Deane’s father was a Sheriff in a town that had only one deputy (1) and would call his mom up as the dispatcher!
On balance, this article is very good. Didn’t mean to be too critical but that one quote jumped out at me since bogus crime statistics are at the center of the GregNCorey Show spin machine.
“After that happened, it was impossible for me to think there was anything good about HSM”
… And when Stewart did not sever his bond with Letiecq and HSM after that apparent conspiratorial attack it was impossible for me to think anything good about him.
As a former neighbor of Chief Deane, I am here to say that I don’t think there’s a finer public servant in the County. He is a gentleman in every respect.
Greg Letiecq’s name shouldn’t even be mentioned in the same breath.
The day Greg slandered and lied about the Chief is the day many citizens, previously on the sidelines of the debate, woke and took notice.
Corey Stewart, a newcomer to PWC, must have been stunned by the support for Chief Deane, for he wasted no time back peddling from the nastygram he sent Chief Deane.
I applaud Chief Deane for standing strong. His commitment to this County is above question. He could retire and walk away from the mess Corey, John and Greg have created. Instead, he chooses to stay and help us all keep our heads above water while this nightmare plays itself out.
Casual,
Nice post.
Casual Observer, 24. July 2008, 13:48
The day Greg slandered and lied about the Chief is the day many citizens, previously on the sidelines of the debate, woke and took notice.
There were quite few that weren’t on the sidelines that changed their opinion.
Chief Deane will be here years after these “newcomers” wanting to use our county as a “stepping stone”. Corey and Greg migrated to our county just 7 years ago. ********
Do you think the nastygram was the words of Corey and/or Greg?
We are fortunate to have Chief Deane serving us. It’s quite unfortunate that not ALL feel this way. Of course some have not been around long enough to really understand the PWC, and it’s many long time residents.
Hindsight is 20/20. What a year it’s been in this county.
I don’t understand why these reporters always go to Greg Letiecq and Nancy Lyall for quotes. Do the opinions of other citizens and residents of the county not count? The formula for these articles are so tired. Why must they perpetuate the perception that there are “two sides”? I like what Annabel said in her reply to Mackie in the previous thread about the new 9500liberty videos:
It’s a mistake, an illusion, to think that what’s happened to the county is about a conflict with two clear sides. These reporters unquestioningly perpetuate the illusion and I am sick and tired of it. What’s happened to our county is a deliberate attempt to divide and conquer. These misguided reporters are colluding in perpetuating our problems by reducing the mess — the sinister political campaign and its tragic aftermath — into a battle with two sides. It’s irresponsible. Eric and Annabel were astute enough to see that the surface story is a constructed illusion and the real story is how that illusion was engineered by a few. I see many uncanny parallels between the current Prince William BOCS and the Bush administration.
Thanks for the kind words, Chris. 🙂
My guess is that Corey wrote the nasty gram, and that Greg was given a heads up — as well as a copy — with the understanding (why else would he send it?) that he would post it on his blog.
I enjoyed the ensuing *storm. 🙂
I’ve lived in PWC for 19 years and I’m still on learning curve! 🙂 Seven years residency is nothing! I’m stunned that neither Corey nor Greg had even the slightest understanding of the esteem with which Chief Deane is held in PWC. Even more amazing is that Corey, Chair of the BOCS, didn’t get it. I think he needs to step outside his bubble and spend more time getting to know the County he serves. It would be nice if he could do this at some point before he moves on because, I agree with you, this job and our county are but a stepping stone.
Elena,
Just wanted to let you know that I think your framing of the WaPo article is outstanding!
As a side note, the response section of the WaPo article has not reached the four to ten pages of spew that immigration articles often generate with the “help save”/BVBL/assorted bigots crowd. At least not for now. They’ll have to gin up more emails or personnas. Hurry, hurry, dittoheads!
Chief Deane has done nothing that should impugn his or the PWC PD’s reputation other than not march to Gospel Greg’s tune. He absolutely is not the person giving this county the black eye or costing taxpayers money that would have been better spent elsewhere.
Totally off the topic, but I just got a call from a guy who says he started Help Save Herndon and Help Save VA. He’s concerned about some posts that he wants removed. He thought I was the Admin. GRRRR! When will that stupid rumor die?
Alanna, I sent you an email on this. He was polite and everything. He just wants some stuff taken off.
One more time for anyone who missed it: I AM NOT AN ADMIN ON THIS SITE! I HAVE MY OWN WRITING LIFE OUTSIDE OF IMMIGRATION ISSUES!
Is it my imagination or are the hate bunnies on this site less active and if active, less poopy? What’s going on? elvis? emma? Rick? SecondAlamo?
It’s too nice out to be pissy today 🙂
It may be my fault that some of the Hate Bunnies are gone. I was too honest with them about how valuable they were to us as examples of the Anti-Immigrant Lobby’s mindset. And that posting hateful, racist, and/or ignorant rants on this blog only helped to sway the silent majority against their cause.
There was also a post that reminded people how many readers there are who only come here to read, and never post, including many from the PWC government. It may be that the combination may have caused them to do some strategic regrouping. Because the dialog on this blog was swaying the public and the government away from the Anti-Immigrant Lobby’s agenda.
If they come back with some arguments that are factual, and are not littered with prejudice, stereotypes, and speculation, we’ll have a more informed conversation, but it won’t be as easy to debunk them. Which would you prefer?
For my two cents, I’d prefer they go back to the drawing board and come up with arguments that are factual. First of all, I’m curious to find out what those arguments might be. But also, I think it would improve the level of discourse to the point where we can finally move beyond responding to the Anti-Immigrant Lobby’s talking points, and look at the real issues at hand.
Katherine,
Why would Help Save Herndon & VA be concerned about comments on here? They’ve NEVER once been mentioned. I don’t know if it’s regarding HSM stuff or what, but it’s important for all to know HSM is NOT a chaper of Help Save Virginia. Remember, there was also the birth of Save The Old Dominion late last year or early this year. I think they run a different style Help Save group then HSM.
This guy was concerned about some comments posted by Rod back in May, ones about him bringing his Great Dane to the polls.
Are all those Help Save groups FAIR?
I asked Davi if the local Help Save organizations and Minutemen were related to saveourstate on the car sign thread. I don’t think I mentioned HSH although I might have mentioned HSV.
Perhaps that concerned guy should check out the WaPo responses where a poster named roxy1 clearly mentions “Help Save Maryland or Help Save Manassas, Herndon, Defend DC”.
Oh, okay, he’s concerned about the dog comment.
Katherine,
Thanks.
I don’t know what the Help Save each do. I think some use FAIR as a tool..or is FAIR uses these groups as a tool. 😉
I get the feeling HSH is concerned about what I posted in some ealier threads, that, Help Save Herndon has pretty much severed ties with with Help Save Manassas. HSM has no links to HSH on their website and visaversa. I also know that members of HSH have gone out of their way to prevent overtly racist people from joining. HSH was mainly formed to insure that taxpayer dollars would not be used to aid Illegal Aliens, as well as to preserve neighborhood safty by supporting 287g, not so much to drive all illegal aliens out of Herndon.
The founders of HSH and I had a legal scuffle back in the summer of 2005, ever since then, we give each other dirty looks, but I have no issue with their current status, in fact I’m glad to see they have not tried to push Greg’s agenda in town politics. oddly enough, HSH is a lot more tolerant than HSM.
Other than myself, I don’t remember anyone mentioning Help Save Herndon, and I don’t believe I have ever said anything bad about them. If I’m wrong about their current relationship to HSM, then I would say one of their leaders should come on here and clairify their relationship as opposed to trying to removing information. I’m a citizen of Herndon and have the right to speak my mind on HSM, they have the right to refute me.
Alanna, please e-mail me if they do mention me, If they want to dig up history, i want to make sure you have both sides of the story…
Rod, this guy didn’t like your post back in May about the Great Dane and harassing Muslims and Hispanics at the polls. That’s what he wants removed.
IMHO, all those Help Save groups should just call themselves something else and get rid of the stigmas FAIR and HSM give them….unless they WANT that stigma. The whole “save” thing is derogatory and doesn’t say “hey, let’s clean up our neighborhoods and tax structure.”
Oh the dog at the polling place for the 2008 Town Of Herndon Elections…that was early in my posting here, I might have dropped the founders name in my comment, though I have no idea why they should be concerned, the two founders of HSH were interviewed by CNN, they are publicly known.
As I recall the incident, I saw the the HSM founder amound other people taking turns holding the dog on a leash near the entrance to the polling place, I even took pictures. I did not say they threatened anyone, but it could have been an ulterior motive to scare away soem of the minority voters. I saw some people avoid the walkway where the canidates were because of the presence of the dog. This does not mean that people could not vote, because you could walk around the dog, but if you avoided the dog, you could not easily reach and talk to the opposition canidates, which made me really mad. It seems to me like scare tactics, but done in such a way as to seem innocent. If HSH wants to push this, I’ll whip out the photos so you cna judge for yourself, otherwise, I don’t think you should give in to them. If they think it’s libel, then issue me a summons, I have wittness’ and I have photos. This is a public forum and they have every oppertunity to climb out of the shadows and refute my statements, but I stand by what I saw.
Anyway, we are getting off topic, but I HSH has done some slippery things to protect their image, I want to make sure they are not trying to marginalize me thru the back door using empty legal threats and telling the moderator lies about me.
I remember that post now. My question was, “Why the hell would anyone take their dog to the polls anyway??” Especially a Great Dane? LOL. That’s like taking a pony! 🙂
Anyway, I didn’t really want to be involved because it’s none of my business and I don’t have Admin. authority on this blog (as I’ve said only about 100 times or so). The guy was polite, apologized for calling me out of the blue, so that’s fine.
Chris
“what a year its been in this county”. The understatement of the day!
Rod,
Thanks for clarification although I don’t think it is necessary on here. The caller extended the shelf life of whatever you wrote. I don’t care for any shinnanigans at the polls. Wasn’t the Gore/Bush fiasco in 2000 enough!
Pets don’t belong at the polls unless they are service animals.
UGH— I had to take a long look for the comment and I found it. I cannot refute what I saw as well as what others witnessed that day. This is ultimatly Alanna’s Blog, so I don’t have a problem if she want’s to redact the statement to hide the names, but the two individuals are who they are and it was my perception that they were trying to intimidate voters…I could be wrong, but the pictures don’t lie and the people with me were also concerned about their behaviour.
Ultimatly the tactic was stupid and did not work, but it still was a bit below the line of decency, at least in my opinion.
” Juturna, 24. July 2008, 16:50
Chris
“what a year its been in this county”. The understatement of the day!”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ftlYLcEW_I4&feature=related
rod2155,
Thank you so much for taking pictures and reporting on what to me appears to be a clear attempt at voter intimidation. Please don’t let the HSH people silence you. What they did reminds me of all those photos and newsreels of police siccing their dogs on civil rights marchers. Do you think you could please post the photos on a photo sharing web site?
I wonder, were any of the Help Save people dressed in any way whereby they might appear to be acting in an official capacity? This is a trick other anti-immigrant types have used in the past.
My fantasy is that the next time there is a local election, we each rent a great dane for the day and show up where the HSH people are stationed. It would be quite funny to see their reaction when we show up with 20 great danes.
Hail the Chief!
Eligible for retirement, but thankfully for PWC he has stayed on.
I’m glad the Post did this piece, but as is to be expected from writers, they sometimes rely on myth rather than actual fact to tell the tale. Sticking to myth makes better copy, I guess. Paint a distorted picture of a PWC as it once might have been, but move the timeline, the better to throw into relief the urbanized cosmopolitan PWC of today.
It is news to me to learn, for example, that 38 years ago “Prince William was a white farming community that considered itself part of central Virginia.”
I was in the 10th grade at Gar-Field High 38 years ago, and the school (now the Ferlazzo building) was so overcrowded we were on split shifts. You went in the morning or in the afternoon, depending on what neighborhood you lived in.
There were no farms anywhere in the vicinity, at least none in Woodbridge. You had to go way out past Minnieville, out 234, toward the western part of the county before you saw any fields or farms. By 1970, Dale City had already extended out to Hoadly, where there was an airport and a prison camp and a few country houses with vegetable gardens, but no farms. Where Dale City left off, Lake Ridge (already populous then!) began. I don’t know what the county population was in 1970. I’d say at least 100,000. A lot of people for a farm county in central Virginia.
The parts of PWC that had farms were too far from us in the transient, populated eastern end, and so we had virtually no contact with farms. Almost never saw them. Most people in the eastern end lived close to I-95 and Route 1, which were swift non-congested thoroughfares, unlike today. In 10 minutes you were at the beltway, and in 15 minutes more you were on the 14th Street Bridge. Trains ran through Manassas and Quantico, next stop Alexandria. Didn’t seem much like central Virginia to me.
In 1970, I remember 5 high schools in the county: Gar-Field & Woodbridge were both operating on split shifts to handle the population swell, and so therefore the two were essentially doing the work that 4 high schools should have been doing. I don’t know if Brentsville (the “country” high school) or Stonewall Jackson were operating on split shifts, but Osbourn, possibly. I didn’t know too much about the western end of the county, although I had the impression that it was much like the eastern end, and that people were constantly moving in and moving out of Manassas and Manassas Park. As to how many white farm children went to the other county high schools in 1970 I have no way of knowing, but I knew of only one such student at Gar-Field. Farm children were most definitely in the minority, I’d say.
The overcrowded Gar-Field was predominantly white then, as were most high schools in the suburban Washington area, but it is safe to say that Gar-Field was fairly “diverse” for its time, by comparison. The senior class president in 1970 at Gar-Field was black. The assistant principal was black. There were a handful of Black & also Hispanic (mostly Cuban) teachers at Gar-Field, and though predominantly white, as I said, the student body was also a mixture of Blacks, Asians, Indians, Italians, Greeks, and everything in-between, as well as students with Hispanic names. There were more trailer parks and motel cabins in the area than there are today, but there were also plenty of apartments and townhouses. The residents were primarily military, low-income, working class. The Prince William I knew didn’t seem like farm country and certainly not that “white” to me. “White” was Fairfax County. Also, Fairfax had a few cornfields itself back then, I might mention. So did Prince Georges & Montgomery County, for that matter — huge farms.
Prince William county “considered itself part of central Virginia”? What a laugh.
Anyway, I could go on about the “white farming community” that was not Prince William county 38 years ago, at the time when Charlie Deane came to work for the newly formed police force. The article doesn’t explore this, and neither have I, but I don’t think he was a rookie when he came to PWC. I think he already had maybe four years with the State Police, or if not, as sheriff somewhere, maybe in the county he was from.
Today, seeing Chief Deane still there, still representing what’s left of the good side of Prince William county, the side that I and my family know and love, gives me much joy. I am glad that the Chief did not allow himself to be intimidated and forced out by this sad bunch of political opportunists who have swept into the county and have made such a mess of the place. They’ll be gone before long, rest assured.
So this Washington Post piece gives us occasion to once again salute Chief Deane.
I am out of the county now, and as a matter of fact out of the country, so it is wonderful for me to get to see the video of Chief Deane, superb before that board of supervisors.
With their videos, Annabel & Eric are doing a tremendous service to PWC. I salute those two, as I do all of you here. I read you regularly. You represent PWC to me as it is today. The good side. Thank you all so much for being who you are, for looking for the truth, and thank you for keeping me informed!
Casual Observer,
I forgot to tell you what a nice tribute you paid to Chief Deane. No one could have paid the gentleman greater compliments than your comments.
I’m sick of being forced to live by the way of the Jungle. Two particular members of Help Save Herndon have gone out of their way to try and humiliate me in the courts and in Public as a way to muzzle me from protesting their sick outlook on humanity.
I even thought they were on the mend, but now I feel they are seeking a way to slam me with defamation, and try to steal my money in the courts.
I apologize Alanna for taking the spotlight off of chief Deane because some very shifty individuals are forcing me to defend my constitutional right to Free Speech. It would be easy for me to cave in and ask you to remove my comments so I don’t have to put up with a frivolous lawsuit, but I’m stronger than that now, HSH made me so!
http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/2409/hshdogpoll01pw3.jpg
Above is one of the photos from the election. Out of respect, I have blurred the face of the the particular HSH founder who is holding the animal. This was taken after he had apparently been told to move the dog from the front of the candidate line. The Animal was in control, but that was probably not so apparent to all the voters. We are bound by law not to carry firearms at polling places, but there is no law prohibiting these animals from being used to scare off minority voters. I will not claim as a fact that that was the intention of the HSM member having the dog, but the perception was a threat to me, and to others who will testify. I wish AS and PJ would come out of the shadows and explain their real motives instead of trying using threats of libel prosecution.
As I said, I hate having to back up every movement of my life with evidence, but HSH is always looking for the opportunity to ruin someone in court based on what they said on a blog or website or email. Character assassination in an attempt to cover up their own questionable deeds.
If AS or PJ is reading this, I would ask you to leave the issue alone… I have been very careful to back up my statements with evidence, both in Witness and Photographic in this particular case. Just remember, this whole issue would have been forgotten if you had not decided to play games with history redaction.
Censored bybvbl,
You said:
“As a side note, the response section of the WaPo article has not reached the four to ten pages of spew that immigration articles often generate with the “help save”/BVBL/assorted bigots crowd. At least not for now. They’ll have to gin up more emails or personnas. Hurry, hurry, dittoheads!”
I think the leader o’ the other blog said he was on vacation.
Chief Deane may be a decent man but I worry about the long term ramifications of a widespread acceptance that we the people should be so powerless as to depend upon the decency of a few appointed officials for the preservation of justice. If Deane should retire in a year and be replaced by a Sheriff Joe Arpaio hitlerite, what recourse would we have? None?
Certainly, the scenario I posited is exactly what people like Greg, Corey, DooDooCaster, et.al. are working behind the scenes to make into a reality. If not for Deane’s integrity, political astuteness, and well-earned standing in the community, they might have succeeded by now.
In fact, one could argue that Deane’s decency and restraint are actually helping to make these kinds of resolutions look palatable to other communities.
People like FAIR may be looking at our example and saying ‘Look, it can be done’.
I don’t think that is Chief Deane’s intention at all, but it may be an unhappy consequence nonetheless. I would have been much happier if, on July 11 or on October 16, in front of the BOCS and in full view of the community, Chief Deane had stood up and resigned in protest of the resolution.
Carroll Ave, WOW! Thank you for your historic perspective! It helps to hear more than one, especially for newcomers.
Mackie, if Chief Deane had resigned in July or October as you wish he had, how do you know who would have replaced him then and your fears could be playing out now instead of his restraint? If he resigned on one of those dates, I don’t think the BOCS would have just abandoned the Resolution. They did not possess the political courage then…or now.
Lucky Duck,
Are you or have you ever been a Police Officer? Your arguments and choice of words make me suspect this is the case.
If Deane had resigned, it would have sent a very strong signal and set a priceless and inspirational example of principle. It would have eviscerated Corey Stewart’s credibility. And the next police chief who came in accepting the resolution could have been identified as the yes man they would have been.
Mackie, the scenario you present probably wouldn’t have happened. I’m not sure the BOCS would have had the courage to stand up to HSM. That would have left us with a “yes man” and a weak board. The county would have had to fall much farther into disrepute and financial instability before anything happened to change course.
My point was the same one that Censored just made, that if he resigned there still was no way the BOCS would have still not passed the resolution. Then what would we have? A “yes” person for the position of chief of police. With Deane as chief, I think the community is much better off with him in office than out of office.
His resignation at that time would have been a bright flare and then it would be over, wasted because that resolution was going to pass no matter who did what.
Sorry Mackie, the internet is a wide open place and I share nothing of a personal nature.
I think Lucky is a cop, but he’s not telling 🙂
I got tired reading Rodger’s comments about a puppy. Is anyone off limits to this crap? Herndon is a dog town where we all treat our “puppies” as children and they do usually accompany us to the WO&D trail, Starbucks, or Home Depot.
Rodger should be ashamed to make up stories to fuel his anger. In our town we bring our animals to all events. In Herndon, puppies dont steal purses or make cat calls to our teenage daughters.
How many of you “haters” have children who have to face the onslaught of illegal aliens seeking work? Obviously Rodger cannot spend some time with his Herndon neighbors on Alabama and Elden to understand what is happening to our community. Rodger has ZERO understanding of Spanish culture. Us with Portugese o Spanish culture/backround had to ever stand on street corners seeking work like prostitutes. Who is Rodger speaking for?
I think Lucky Duck is either a doctor or an Indian chief. And he is a darn smart one and keeps us all informed.
Carroll Ave, 24. July 2008, 17:42
Welcome Carroll Ave! Thanks for your wonderful post.
Mackie,
Although I understand the message you believe Chief Deane would be sending my resigning, I too would fear who could take his place. His steafastness to stay and do what he thinks is right, models behavior that I hope will instill courage in other members of our community. He stood tall and refused to cower to the mob. He deserves a chapter in JFK’s “Profiles in Courage” book !
Lucky Ducky,
Haha. Taking the fifth, huh.
Lucky Ducky knows his rights.
For the rest of you who believe the police are here to protect your rights, please watch the following priceless lectures:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8z7NC5sgik
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08fZQWjDVKE&feature=related
It’s your freedom. Yours and yours alone.
Do you really think someone you’ve never met cares about preserving it just because they happen to have a piece of tin pinned to their chest called a badge?
Anon,
Dogs, especially large dogs, don’t belong at the polls. Do a little investigation into voter rights during the 50’s and 60’s to learn why. People can plead their innocence until the cows come home. It doesn’t fly with me.
Mackie, there is a movie coming out made just for you. Lake something or other. I immediately thought of you during the trailer. Now, the fact that I was at the first showing of a movie where at least half the audience probably left their tin foil hats at home, thought their government was out to get them and wondered if they were going to be abducted during the next week, and I thought of you,…..just kidding. It was the preview that made me think of you.
You are a lone voice crying in the wind. None of us agree with you about PWCPD. I know there are a few bad apples. There are in any profession. I believe our department does a better job than most about weeding them out also.
Notice the deafening silence?
Moon-howler,
Haha. Pay attention excitable one. I’m not talking about PWCPD. I never have been. My uninformed impression is that they’re mostly all right…if perhaps a little unsophisticated…kinda like Barney Fife.
I have a problem with otherwise educated people desperately preaching that we should abandon our responsibility to resist injustice for the sake of security. I object with people seducing others into believing that pusillanimously obeying anyone who wears a badge or has a fanciful title like ‘democratic-candidate’ is an act of virtue.
Moon-Howler, you are doing your best to falsely portray me as a radical outsider. I may be passionate (and I am not ashamed to admit as much like most Americans who view emotion as a form of weakness) but I am not a radical outsider.
There is nothing virtuous in abandoning one’s own Constitution.
Moon-Howler,
Where have you been these past few years?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ksFHh17xEb8
What have you seen?
It’s up to us.
Anon, 24. July 2008, 23:10
“Rodger has ZERO understanding of Spanish culture. Us with Portugese o Spanish culture/backround had to ever stand on street corners seeking work like prostitutes. Who is Rodger speaking for?”
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“That comment makes no sense on many levels. For one thing if the Spanish and Portuguese had stood on street corners looking for work forever, then they would have never discovered America, created colonies throughout Florida, Texas, California and all of South America.
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“I got tired reading Rodger’s comments about a puppy. Is anyone off limits to this crap? Herndon is a dog town where we all treat our “puppies” as children and they do usually accompany us to the WO&D trail, Starbucks, or Home Depot.
“Rodger should be ashamed to make up stories to fuel his anger. In our town we bring our animals to all events. In Herndon, puppies dont steal purses or make cat calls to our teenage daughters.”
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Well I posted one of the photos above of A.S. with the dog, the people here can make a decision whether a large dog at a town election, being handled in what I and others consider is an unsafe and provocative manner is appropriate. I may write a letter to the council now asking a provision be made that all pets should be banned from polling places.
And though is awkwardly written, I hope you are not implying that Dogs are more well behaved that the Immigrant population in Herndon, somehow I don’t believe a person who knows me enough to spell my name right would make such a dehumanized statement.
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“How many of you “haters” have children who have to face the onslaught of illegal aliens seeking work? Obviously Rodger cannot spend some time with his Herndon neighbors on Alabama and Elden to understand what is happening to our community.”
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I spend plenty of time of time in Herndon, 24 years in fact and I have many friends who live or have lived on Alabama. At the 7-11 there are throngs of Day Laborers standing around looking for work. The town council was begged to do something about them, so the worker center was created, and the Day Laborers disappeared from 7-11, now they are back on the streets, but should explain why they worked a campaign to destroy the center from the beginning.
Anyway, I’m pretty sure I’ve managed to bring some HSH posters to our board now, so lets see how they give their perspective on what is really going down in Herndon, but the mixed race teenage couples speaks in pretty big volumes, that Herndon is about Embracing Diversity and lowering crime by working together as a community aside from the handful of individuals who believe the Hispanics are lower than dogs.
Thanks Moon-Howler, although I am not of Indian blood, Irish all the way. The doctor part would have made my mom proud if it were true.
Mackie, If you remember correctly on Tuesday on a different thread, I inquired of some answers from you (nothing personal like yours to me) yet you failed to answer even one of them – so who took the 5th first buddy? Three days, no answers…like MH said, the silence IS deafening