Great article in the Washington Post concerning the new Virginia requirement and its comparison to Prince William.
Under the state law, local jails probably will spend a fraction of the $10.5 million Prince Willliam has budgeted over the next five years for the ICE partnership.
ICE cannot say how many illegal immigrants from a particular jurisdiction are being deported, only that it cannot remove as many as it would like because of budget limitations. So there are no statistics about what ultimately happens to the illegal immigrants who are reported to ICE — either by way of the new state law or through the federal program, which trains local officers to identify and detain undocumented suspects charged with crimes.
If I am reading what Lucky Duck says correctly, we are getting the cadillac version. Our 287g program actually initiates the deportation process and what the state has simply tells ICE we have foreign-born criminals in our jail.
I don’t mind paying (well, yea I do really but….) for a cadillac version but I hope we get to cut in line in front of the jurisdictions who don’t have this program since we are shelling out the big bucks.
I wish these things were easier for the average person to understand. For instance, if a criminal who is also an illegal immigrant finishes out a 2 year sentence somewhere in the prison system in Va, is the criminal returned to Prince William County for exit purposes so that we KNOW that the person is going to ICE?
After reading this article, I am fully convinced that we just wasted time and money this past year in Prince William. If state law can make our county law appear to be obsolete, what’s going to happen when there is new federal law under McCain or Obama?
The only thing we accomplished during these dark days since July, 2007 is ruining our reputation, outing many of the racists in the county and exposing the poor leadership in our county government. Ah, the silver lining. We are a living lesson for others. Other localities will take a look at what’s happened in Prince William and say: whatever we do, we don’t want to go down THAT road. We need to be held up as a model for what not to do.
I think 9500liberty videos help to get that lesson across to others.
What can we do to undo the damage, the 20-year setback? How do we restore our reputation, bring Hispanic residents back, and address the poor leadership on BOCS?
My recommendations:
1) Rescind the resolution.
2) Issue a formal apology to the Hispanic and immigrant communities.
3) Pass a resolution that states that we commit to creating a welcoming environment for immigrants and new residents.
4) Create a Prince William Study Group comprised of citizens, residents and experts that can make formal recommendations to the county government for how to deal with the substantive aspects of the “illegal immigration” debate and address the host of new community problems that resulted from the ill-conceived Immigration Resolution, e.g., empty, abandoned homes, bad reputation and decline in tax revenue, etc.
5) For the long-term, create something like an Advisory Neighborhood Council to organize citizen involvement and gather citizen input on any issue in an official and productive manner before our neighbors get brainwashed by national hate groups like FAIR. It was FAIR in 2007; it could be another scary group this year or next year. We need to find ways to create a Firewall between our government’s democratic process and an organized insurgency to infiltrate our government.
What is failed to be pointed out is that other localities nearby are in the 287(g) program – not just PWC. From the same Washington Post article:
“Other local participants in the federal program are Herndon, Manassas, Manassas Park and, since early this month, Loudoun County. In Maryland, only Frederick County participates. The District has not signed on.
Fairfax County has applied to join the program, but Sheriff Stan Barry said last week that he might reconsider after he assesses the impact of the Virginia law. “
And also from that article:
Is this the total number of participants in the 287(g) program nationwide? Only sixty?
Anon, you’re an ostrich. Don’t you see the writing on the wall? We have wasted millions of dollars that we didn’t have for a program that delivered none of the officially intended consequences. It did drive out Hispanics through hatred and fear if that’s what makes you happy. Let me put it this way, without Immigration Resolution, we would have kept the Manassas Senior Daycare Center in our budget.
What a waste. Just like the Iraq War. All that money. Gone.
I like NGL’s suggestions.
The study group /circles are forming in Prince William now. To participate in the next webinar, tomorrow, July 29 at 6:30 -7:30 pm, go to http://www.cvdnva.org. The broader the participation the more effective the results.
How would you get a Neighborhood Council going? Speak to the BOCS? Neighborhood Services? How would that work in the City of Manassas?
MH:
The 287(g) program puts the power (and cost) to do the background checks with the locality. Those found to be in the country illegally are then reported to ICE. What ICE does with them at that point is a completely separate matter.
Under the new Virginia law, jurisdictions have to report those who they know are of foreign birth to ICE. ICE then is responsible for the background check, not the locality. Again, if ICE discovers through their check that the person in question is illegal, it is up to ICE to determine what to do.
In the end, Prince William’s involvement in the 287(g) program simply means that we have direct access to the same databases and systems as ICE versus turning over names (and identifying info) to ICE for them to research. The biggest boon is the ability to do a direct fingerprint search against a database of *known illegal aliens.* In other words, people ICE already knows are in the country illegally, but hasn’t done anything about. In many cases, these are people who have been deported before and have re-entered. In other cases, it’s someone who has been processed by ICE, but never faced deportation.
In general, ICE is loathe to do much of anything for those rounded up for petty crimes and misdemeanors. As a result, we can get that warm fuzzy feeling from having reported all kinds of names to ICE, but in reality a very small percentage of the group ever faces a deportation hearing much less actual deportation.
We would be just as well served to do the same evaluation Sherriff Barry is conducting in Fairfax. If we could get the same end results without having to shoulder the burden of the cost, it seems worth it to me.
Cindy B,
Take a look at the Advisory Neighborhood Council system in DC.
I haven’t had a chance to participate in the webinar. I look forward to it although Tuesday evenings are out for me. Also, as good as it sounds, I prefer to see people actually meeting and getting to know each other. I recommend starting with a full-day retreat in which people begin by getting to know each other and reflecting on what’s happened already, getting on the same page, establishing some goals and going from there.
Alanna and Elena,
Why don’t we organize a full-day retreat for those interested? I’ll bet we could find someone to donate a beautiful venue for a day and raise some money for breakfast, lunch and dinner. I do think we should get a professional moderator to guide the session. I’ve participated in some great retreats with my company that led to some revolutionary changes in company culture. The company hired HR consultants to motivate and guide us through differences in ideas and styles.
It doesn’t have to be a big group. 6-12 people would be great.
Turn PW Blue,
Who actually initiated us getting the 287g program in PW County. Do you remember the history on this? Whose brain child is it?
Now that we are participants in the program, are we better off staying in it and doing our own intial works since it starts the deportation process?
Thanks to both you and Lucky Duck on the other thread for providing some facts into this discussion. I want to know the process and end result now, not just a who to blame. It seems that the more questions I have answered, the more that surface from those answers.
So okay, they know who illgal aliens are. Does that mean they intend to deport them all, or are these just people who have been arrested for a crime?
And again I wonder, doesn’t all this reporting just put ICE more behind? Do they have to sort through those who are merely foreign born and those who could be undocumented? Where’s the people-power behind this? Can they handle it?
Oh yeah, and getting back to the awards list, Cindy B. needs to be on it!!
“Does that mean they intend to deport them all, or are these just people who have been arrested for a crime?”
Never mind that part of the question. TPWB already answered it. I was too hasty.
Moon-howler, if Lucky Duck is correct that ICE deportation proceedings begin whenever we say so, why is it that only 5 percent of the people we report receive ICE detainers? Can you ask him?
I have a feeling that the time quotient is at play here. ICE would gladly begin proceedings on anyone we way to. However, they have to proceed cautiously so as not to accidentally deport someone (that would be bad). And our jail space is limited, forcing us to prioritize on who we want to keep off the streets: violent criminals or people who are in the country illegally and rolled through a stop sign.
Because deportation proceedings take a long while, the time quotient forces our jails to release 95 percent of those who are reported to ICE before anything can be done about it.
That 5 percent rate will go down because of the new state law.
If so, our cadillac costs 10 million dollars, and it has no wheels.
PWC and now the state will keep piling names into ICE’s lists of foreign born and undocumented, but the same finite number of people will be deported.
The rest of the Commonwealth gets to add names to this 5-percent-action and 95-percent no action list, only the rest of the state hasn’t spent 10 million dollars, ruined their economy, destroyed their housing market, short-changed theirs schools, turned their backs on the seniors, or ruined their reputation on a national level.
Thanks Corey Stewart.
*** anyone we SAY to, not “way” to.
NGL: I post a quote from the Washington Post and you call me an ostrich. Well, you are a pig. So there. Stupid name calling as usual.
This new law looks like a Trojan horse to quietly lay the groundwork whereby our government can treat foreign born citizens as a group. Lets not lose sight of the fact that these are still united states citizens. We should all be treated exactly the same.
The second class treatment of foreign born citizens may begin here with this law. This law begins by targeting those who are in jail. Since they are a minority with no public support, treating them differently will not arouse anger. How long before this program is extended to keep tabs on all foreign born, period.
After september 11th we unconstitutionally rounded up and detained thousands of muslim Americans and their families! There was very little resistance from the vast majority of the american populace. They said to themselves ‘it ok,because it will never happen to me’.
Now that we’ve all lost habeus corpus, it can happen to all of us.
I am reposting my initial reaction to this article before this thread was created and Moon-howler reported Lucky Duck’s explanation re. the Cadillac:
Wonderful. Prince William County is shelling out $10 million dollars so that 5% of people reported to ICE are deported. Meanwhile every other locality in Virginia will basically get the same drop in the bucket for free. Thanks Corey Stewart!
To further explain:
ICE can only handle 5 percent of the people identified to them as undocumented. The other 95 percent are let go.
Unless the person committed a violent crime, they’re let go.
There is limited jail space. Either we lock up the people who commit violent crimes or we lock up the people who failed to stop at a stop sign. Which would you rather have locked up? Which would you rather have back on the street?
If you’re upset that year Spanish when you go to the store, or upset that your neighbors are brown, then I’m sorry, this law is not going to make you any happier. In fact, 287G was never going to help you.
If you want law enforcement to continue to keep our communities safe, then this news is really not news.
They already prioritize based on risk to the community. There will be more people reported to ICE as undocumented because all the jails will be doing what PWC is doing … post arrest status checks (only they narrow this down to foreign born individuals and we check everyone post-arrest).
What does this mean? It means that undocumented immigrants will be incarcerated at the same rate, essentially, that other sub-groups are incarcerated. It all depends on the seriousness of the crime. Would you want it any other way?
The ones that committed a violent or drug-related crime get detainers. That’s fine with me and fine by most. What’s not fine by me is that we have paid out 10 MILLION DOLLARS, plus all the over-time pay for county staff and our police department having to deal with Duecaster Dissater fall-out, PLUS all the time this took away from their ACTUAL JOBS serving this community. We’ve paid all of this for the same stupid 5 percent (which will soon drop down to 2 percent) that all the other localities get for free.
Thanks Corey Stewart!
I think I can explain why Gerhart says we are getting something for our money above and beyond what other localities get.
The new state law requires jail officials to notify the Feds of all foreign born inmates (including naturalized citizens like Arnold Schrawrtzenagger and legal immigrants like Corey Stewart’s wife). This means that ICE will be contemplating deporting these people after they serve their time. Fine with me. (Would anyone object to deportation being part of the penalty for committing a crime serious enough to land you in jail? I hope not, because that would be off topic.)
ICE can only handle what they can handle, however, so they will continue to put detainers on 5 percent of those who are reported to them. In fact, that 5 percent rate will almost certainly drop because there will be more names in the cue.
What Gerhart is saying is that Prince William County will be putting MORE names into the 5-percent-or-less cue than most other juristictions.
We will be putting more names in because we are checking status at the arrest stage, as opposed to at incarceration. About half the people we arrest are released on bond (this also has to do with jail space and is decided based on risk to the community).
So, in addition to the dangerous criminals who end up in jail, we are also reporting the not-so-dangerous people who are released because they are not judged to be as much of a risk to the community.
We’ll be reporting these people to ICE, but … think about it. If they weren’t considered dangerous to even put in jail, how do you think they’ll stack up with the inmates who are incarcerated being reported to ICE from other jurisdictions? Not very well.
ICE will focus on the ones who are in jail because they are (1) easier to find and (2) a greater risk to the community by the fact that they are in jail as opposed to released on bond.
Bottom line: the tremendous costs of the Immigration Resolution, our ruined reputation and our severely damaged economy, the cuts we have been forced to make to social programs that improved our quality of life, and 10 MILLION DOLLARS of tax payer money … all of that was traded for essentially nothing. We are less safe as a result of destroying our reputation and our economy than we were before. Thanks Corey Stewart!
WHWN,
That was my initial reaction:
As you know, I have been a strong supporter of the 287g program and I am going to say I still am, at the moment. I am not going to have a knee jerk reaction but I sure want to acertain that my caddy has a set of michelins.
Question for everyone: Where did this law come from. Am I the only one who was blind-sided by it? I never really heard about it until this morning, unless it was disguised as something else. I would have thought that HSM would have trumpeted it from the rooftops. On the other hand, it sort of sounded like Albo threw HSM under the bus. I don’t know all the ins and outs of Republican politics so perhaps I am missing a big chunk of the real picture.
This new law is not a replacement or even related to the 287 g program. I don’t know why anyone would think so.
This is a program to specifically single out and track foreign born American citizens who should be accorded the full rights of any American citizen.
Single them out and track them for what purpose?
The fact that this tracking of people does not differentiate between American citizen or illegal alien should be a big red flag for all of us.
Their privacy deserves to be respected just like any of us. Just because someone is in the local county jail doesn’t mean the federal government needs or has a right to know about it. If you spent a day in jail because you didn’t pay your parking tickets or you were drunk in public, that is none of the federal government’s business unless they can show a compelling reason to acquire this information.
This is why we have states rights. To protect us and our privacy from the federal government. Virginia is failing us here. How long before they start tracking the children of foreign born who are muslim-Americans and who have spent 1 day in jail? And does this law apply to people who arrested and then subsequently beat the charges and were freed? They proved themselves innocent but now they end up on a list someplace because of a cop’s mistake? Is this the American way?
This new law is not about illegal immigration.
If you are foreign born full American Citizen and arrested by the police over a misunderstanding and taken downtown for some minor misdemeanor, does this mean you end up on a secret list somewhere for the rest of your life?
M-H, I had heard there were a lot of laws up for consideration in Richmond re. illegal immigration. I don’t know where it came from, but it sounds like yet another law that is all politics and no action. It might sound good to some people that all foreign born people are reported to the Feds, but what will the result be? A lot of talk and not a lot of action.
During the chaotic period between July 10 and October 16, 2007, the County Executive’s office was always talking about “the small end of the funnel.” ICE had told them they could only handle 40 detainers a month, meaning, no matter how many names you pour into the large end of the funnel, only 40 per month are getting deported.
Those 40 are going to be the “worst of the worst,” they kept saying. Meaning those who have committed the really violent crimes will be deported before those who committed other types of crimes (murder before shoplifting before drunk in public, etc.).
It then came as little surprise that, under the old policy (approved on Oct. 16th 2007 and in effect for only 2 months in 2008) we had absolutely zero benefit from adding people who’s only crime was a broken tail light to the large end of the funnel.
There was just no way in hell they were getting through tot the small end of the funnel.
When the Supervisors voted to neuter the policy on April 29th, they did so knowing that we were spending all this money … AND taking our officers off the street where they would otherwise be keeping us safer … to add more names to a process that ultimately results in a lot of paperwork but little else. We were forced to let the broken tail-light people go because we didn’t have jail space..
So this new law at the state level will do the same thing: add more names to the top of the funnel. Only in this case, they aren’t concerned with legal status. You just have to be foreign born, and end up jail. More paperwork. Same small end of the funnel. All talk, no action. That’s politics.
I am going to defend Corey Stewart for a moment. This might be the one and only time so here it goes. I believe most of us here on this blog were pretty satisfied and supportive of the 287g program at the ADC. The 287g program was initially budgeted long before this state legislation was signed by the governor. No one had any idea the feds state program was coming to life in the 2008 Legislative Session. I don’t blame Corey for this overlap, if it is indeed an overlap.
I think there is horrible mass confusion still about how all these programs work. I suggest that Eric and Annabel set up another gathering except this time, have a spokesperson to explain all of this and who can answer these questions rather than all of us throwing around misinformation. Suggestions for a speaker (actually, an enlightener): ADC Superintendent Pete Meletis, Chief Deane, County Executive Craig Gerhart or a knowledgeable spokesperson from any of those departments.
Let’s face it, the average person doesn’t know about how the jail and prison process work for legal residents, much less how it works for illegal aliens. I think we all want straight facts, without lies and bs.
Would other people be interested and would Eric and Annabel be willing to obtain an official speaker. I seriously don’t want to hear anyone’s opinion (other than on here) I want FACTS. I also want to ascertain that my cadillac has wheels on it.
Mackie, yes, that is one of the more disturbing things about this. The rights of legal citizens who happen to be foreign born, including Arnold Schwartzenegger and Corey Stewart’s wife, are compromised by our wonderful new state law.
NGL, the webinars are leading to face-to-face pilot study circles in the fall in PW.
I’m not a fan of retreats. I say pick a vacant, foreclosed house in the most dismal neighborhood in the county. Put all decision-makers to work cleaning it out, mowing the tall grass, painting over graffiti, working side by side with a diverse crew of citizen volunteers from all walks of life. Then, rent back room at any local restaurant, keep the food coming, and hash out your solutions to problems.
“If you’re upset that year Spanish when you go to the store”
Here’s a novel idea: increase the ESL we now offer and encourage people to learn English. You will still hear Spanish, but you will be able to engage in a conversation.
“If you are foreign born full American Citizen and arrested by the police over a misunderstanding and taken downtown for some minor misdemeanor, does this mean you end up on a secret list somewhere for the rest of your life?” Probably, Mackie. You’re now labeled as foreign born. To me, this sounds like outright discrimination. Are the armbands coming?
This is what happens when we get enforcement only.
Cindy, I would stay home. I have enough chores to do at my own house. I would say your plan would work in a perfect world.
whwn, are you suggesting that perhaps this new law is a homeland security issue that has nothing to do with illegal immigration? How ridiculous to include Arnold and Mrs. Stewart. What a waste of time.
Now you have me really liking my cadillac even if it doesn’t have wheels.
“whwn, are you suggesting that perhaps this new law is a homeland security issue”
Sounds like it to me.
kgotthardt,
Can I get one that’s black with red trim and a Che Guevara print on it where it looks like there’s flames around his hair? If we’re gonna be branded, the least they can do is let us pick the style to match our wardrobe. Kinda like an ipod.
Here’s another idea kgotthardt. Stop with public funding of ESOL altogether. And only let people immigrate in who can speak the national language. Makes sense to me, and probably to most people.
Rick, obviously you have never met people who are citizens who are still learning English. They might have passed the test but need more instruction.
If we want people to assimilate, we must let them do so.
And probably, you should not presume to speak for “most people.”
Where are all the usual posters who are naturalized citizens and who have spouses who are – or are trying to become – naturalized citizens? You know, the posters we routinely hear saying, “it’s not legal citizens we’re talking about” or “what part of illegal don’t you understand”. Those posters. The ones with the easily memorized sound bites from FAIR – that organization that doesn’t like immigration. How are they going to feel if they get picked up for speeding or accidently t-bone a car at an intersection? Now their names may be on some mysterious list.
Censored bybvbl,
Thank you for pointing out the silence from those who say ‘its only about illegals’!
This new law is quite scary in how it passed right under the radar. Could this new law be supported behind the scenes by the likes of FAIR?
WHWN, deportations do not begin “whenever we say” under a 287(G) program.
In the 287(G), there are specific officers in the ADC or on a local police department who are “certified” under U. S. Code with limited immigration powers that are usually the purview of ICE. Each of these ADC Officers/Police Officers can conduct all of the necessary background and paperwork on a person here illegally. They then submit the recommendation to the ICE agent – who by U. S. Code – must act as the program supervisor – and who, again by U. S. Code, must be the representative who initates the deportation proceedings. So, does this get Prince William a boost up? All of the background and paperwork is already done, so ICE is saved the most difficult tasks and its a lot easier and faster to hand over a finished file to begin deportation rather than having to put that file together yourself if you are ICE.
Things I find interesting:
* Concerned about the foreign born component regardless of immigration status, what are we looking for here? Is it only immigration status or are we collecting this information for some other purpose?
* 287(g) was authorized in 1996 under Clinton but if I’m reading the article correctly it only started 5 years ago, that would be around 2003. So, for 7 years the program was authorized but not enacted.
* Imagine 60 jurisdictions and ICE can not handle sufficiently handle the work load. What then was the possible purpose for filling out these forms on the ‘probable cause’ encounters?
“If we want people to assimilate, we must let them do so.”
Not on my tax dollars.
This bill really treats foreign-born citizens differently than those born here? Strange and disheartening. A few observations :
1. I read a claim that Fairfax is 40% immigrants? And Albo represents Fairfax? truly, we are seeing politicians do some strange dances to try to placate constituents and remove themselves from culpability the next time an illegal alien kills or rapes someone in their district.
2. Our lilly-livered Governor SIGNED such a bill? Shows you what integrity he has. Again, I think he’s extremely fearful of the anger next time a criminal illegal commits murder or rape and we find that kaine’s government let him skate last time.
3. The bill doesn’t sound constitutional on the face of it.
4. The bill actually sounds pretty ineffectual. It will just provide ICE with more scratch paper to doodle on. Thank God I live in PWC where we have 287(g).
I’m sitting here in PWC with my popcorn, watching the show start in Fairfax.
Lucky Duck,
What possible reason could Virginia have to start collecting information on United States Citizens just because they are foreign born and then turning this information over to the Federal Government?
Do you know if this information will be collected for foreign born citizens who are arrested and taken to the ADC but don’t spend the night in jail?
Do you know if this information will be collected for foreign born citizens who are arrested and brought before the magistrate and released on their own recognizance?
Do you know if this information will be collected for foreign born citizens who are arrested and taken to the ADC but later completely beat the charges?
Are there any circumstances where this information will be collected without the foreign born citizen actually having gone to jail?
Rick, sorry you don’t get a line item veto on how your tax dollars are spent. If we did, I would be abolishing all sorts of things, starting with the IRS and the war in Iraq. Most immigrants come to America with very limited English skills. Historically, this is nothing new. Furthermore, it isn’t the point of this thread.
Lucky Duck, now I am hearing from you and TPWB, I think I am going to keep my Cadillac. However, it does sound like we are still at the mercy of ICE and it is an area we have limited control over other than our end of the paperwork. Am I reading this correctly?
I think the WAPO article was very confusing and was very much like sticking a stick in a hornet’s nest.
Rick Bentley,
It is a Trojan horse laying the groundwork for rounding these people up in a national emergency just because they are foreign born.
If there is an outcry, the Feds will just say ‘Hey, we’re only rounding up those who spent time in jail’.
See how it works?
First they marginalize you in the eyes of the public. Then they take your rights.
My mother is foreign born. What happens to her if she gets into a bad accident, and the cop mistakenly blames her and takes her downtown until we can post her bail? Will she be rounded up too after a national emergency?
If they come to my door to take her to an internment camp…
This is the bill that was proposed by Del. Albo , HB 820 and signed by Gov. Kaine.
19.2-83.2. Jail officer to ascertain citizenship of inmate.
Whenever any person is taken into custody at any jail, the sheriff or other officer in charge of such facility shall inquire as to whether the person (i) was born in a country other than the United States, and (ii) is a citizen of a country other than the United States. The sheriff or other officer in charge of such facility shall make an immigration alien query to the Law Enforcement Support Center of United States Immigration and Customs Enforcement for any person who (i) was born in a country other than the United States, and (ii) is a citizen of a country other than the United States, or for whom the answers to (i) or (ii) are unknown. The sheriff or other officer in charge shall communicate the results of any immigration alien query to the Local Inmate Data System of the State Compensation Board. The State Compensation Board shall communicate monthly the findings of any immigration alien query, which results in a confirmation that the person is illegally present in the United States, to the Central Criminal Records Exchange of the Department of State Police in a format approved by the Exchange. The information received by the Central Criminal Records Exchange concerning the person’s immigration status shall be recorded in the person’s criminal history record
It SOUNDS like that trojan horse. Signed by a Governor who has fought to turn Virginia into a sanctuary state, out of fear of offending any immigrants legal or illegal. I think though that there will be no internment camp for legal residents, this is just some crazed political flailing about by the incompetant people who run our state.
Mackie, I hate to say it but your mother is better off being in America than she is in most countries. Can you suggest one that is better with human and civil rights? We aren’t perfect but I don’t think anarchy is the solution to our faults.
Not to use a tired old quote but here it goes:
Sir Winston Churchill, Hansard, November 11, 1947
British politician (1874 – 1965)
Lucky Duck,
The phrase
can you explain this phrase a little further.
Can you be ‘taken into custody at a jail’ before you have been convicted of a crime? If so, under what circumstances?
The Albo document states that the jail officer
1. Asks if that person was born in a country other than the US
2. Asks if the person is a citizen of a country other than the United States
3. The officer makes an immigration check for any person born in a country other than the US and is a citizen of another country or if that information is unknown.
Below is a link to the document
http://www.richmondsunlight.com/bill/2008/hb820/
I’ll leave the interpretation of this document alone, but the phrase “taken into custody at a jail” means you are presented to the jail for incarceration or admitting. Yes, you can be place into a jail or detention facility BEFORE conviction if you are held without a bond by a Magistrate or if you fail to make the bond set for you by the Magistrate.
Okay, that makes sense. I support the bill. My apologies for buying into the usual Washington Post disinformation and proceeding to run with that disinformation.
The query is in regards to citizenship. The question about foreign born is information discarded, not collated, when the arrested person proves citizenship.
Looks like Governor Kaine is doing a real 180 on whether he wants sanctuary for illegal aliens in Virginia.
Doesn’t ‘taken into custody’ mean ‘arrested?’
Lucky Duck, What would you say the purpose of this legislation is? What will it do for us? (leaving politics aside)