After a 4 month hiatus, a Summer edition of the Help Save Manassas – Frontline newsletter is now available, entitled – Prince William: An Oasis in the Desert. Obviously, the HSM camp suffers from hallucinations where the mantra about the ‘Rule of Law’ Resolution aka the Immigration Resolution abound and where the resolution is both working well but yet not working at all.
Interestingly, some of the regular names including Steve Thomas no longer appear and there’s no mention of his whereabouts. We do learn that both Greg Letiecq and Dan Arnold of the nightmarish – Cultural Chaos fiasco of the March edition have both been ‘re-elected’.
We also learn that after exhausting local businesses, the ‘Do the Right Thing’ pledge has now ‘expanded’ their reach to areas such as Stafford & Spottslyvannia. One needs to ask whether or not local businesses are being deceived into pledging their allegiance to HSM?
The zeros and heroes section seems to be repeated from past editions.
And then there’s the ‘Crime Prevention’ Team which perhaps has replaced the Special Ops group? According to the newsletter the police department believes the Crime Prevention Team is a ‘valuable resource’. Surely if the police felt such a ‘team’ of local citizens was needed they would have requested volunteers. Instead, Letiecq and cohorts have most likely put the police in the undesirable position of having to mediate any incidents that could result by having this antagonist force thrust themselves into this situation.
Perhaps the Oasis they are referring to is the lush, green jungle like growth that is present in the yards of all the vacant houses in our area.
I’ll bet the next issue will have the usual braggadocio about hundreds of new members that signed up at the PWC fair – only to have the same old two dozen members show up for the meetings.
Thanks for the link.
I shouldn’t tell you this, but Steve Thomas is deep undercover. He underwent extensive facial reconstruction surgery and has darkened hius skin pigmentation, and has infiltrated a group of illegal day laborers from El Salvador. He is our “mole” – when one of his cohorts pees on a wall, he is able by using a high-tech device to photograph it and to alert the police. He has also forged a relationship with Nancy Lyall and John Steinbach, and is so deep in that he’s been approved as a volunteer to do “touch ups” on the Fernandez Libery Avenue sign … the owner wanted to add a bit more inflammatory language in an add-on at bottom … watch for this soon, he’s going to pull something off similar to the “Romans Go home” scene in Monty Python’s Life of Brian …
Or maybe it’s actually something more mundane …
So you read the newsletter. How do you feel about 287(g) – is it worth having? How do you feel about Verizon through its subcontractors using illegal workers rather than legal ones – do you approve of that? how do you feel about Chevy Chase bank marketing to illegal aliens – do you see this as a positive? How do you feel about e-verify?
How do you feel about the gang graffiti at the old AltMed building that some (Latino) Real Estate firm purchased, and then abandoned?
Do you see it as a valid expression of a hard-working people, forming the gangs and tagging the buildings Americans won’t tag? Should I want to live next to the taggers?
Or is it more of a sign of a slide towards being a Spanish ghetto with norms of behavior that suburban citizens wouldn’t want to abide by?
LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOO Happy Monday RICK!!!!
Rick: I don’t know who purchased the alt-med building but I had sure better not have an opinion on it because Ms. DportM over at your place will kick the snot out of me for voicing it. She apparently thinks I should be doing more to help rid the county of such crap. Who says free speech is alive and well in Manassas.
I think it looks as bad as Mr. Fernandez’s sign and it is a blight on Prince William County. I would like for the county to clean it up and attach a lien to the property to pay for the clean up.
No, it isn’t a sign of a spanish ghetto. It is a sign of abandoned property. Any abandooned property left alone that long will begin to look like that. I don’t think I need to get ethnic to voice my displeasure at that abandoned property.
“Or maybe it’s actually something more mundane …”
I would have to agree, considering that it is a Presidential election year, PWC is considered a battleground area, Virginia a battleground state, Steve Thomas is probably neck-deep in working to get GOP candidates elected. He is the vice-chariman of the Manassas Republican Committee after all. It is funny that the people on this blog notice his “absence” as much as they notice his presence.
“No, it isn’t a sign of a spanish ghetto. It is a sign of abandoned property. Any abandooned property left alone that long will begin to look like that. I don’t think I need to get ethnic to voice my displeasure at that abandoned property.”
Well as usual I am harsh in my assessments and respect no boundaries of political correctness in my language, but here’s why I throw the term “Spanish ghetto” in my posts sometimes.
Ghetto – because PWC was starting to become an area where the tax base was eroding (middle class taxpayers didn’t want to live there) while costs were going up (many more people living in the same amount of taxed homes; increasing school costs and costs for social services). It was sliding into the same there-is-no-return state as inner cities. To have a chance at survival an area must have a reasonably content middle-class element able to pay more taxes than they consume. Were it not for the resolution, the fight against illegal immigration, HSM etc. I am sure my city and my area was headed towards an irreversable slide into being a “ghetto”, i.e. a place that middle-class Americans would not choose to live in for legitimate reasons of personal safety and community behavior.
Spanish ghetto vs. ghetto – to distinguish existing ghettos from the ones formed as a direct consequence of illegal immigration. To mark and point out those areas where the blight and the malfunction is directly attributable to the way business and elites have taken advantage of Americans and sold us down the river in recent years.
Kill the idea of amnesty and disincentivize illegal immigration, it won’t make DC a safe place quickly. But it will make a big big difference in PWC.
Rick, how much of the blame do you put on your former neighbors – those neighbors who saw “too many brown faces” and fled? The mortgage money was loose, the property values were inflated, and they took advantage of those opportunities and ran. Poorer families also took advantage of those opportunities to buy housing. Some could afford to pay their mortgages without added tenants and some couldn’t. Some knew what they were getting into with ARMs and some didn’t. How many typical young white families and couples were told to “buy now before you’re priced out of the market”? And how many of them have lost their houses or are stuck owing more than their houses are worth?
There’s another side to this. Those of us who live in relatively uneffected areas have been adversely effected by your efforts. HSM’s rhetoric and influence have given our county a black-eye and helped to drive middle-class people away from PWC.
Crime prevention team? How about they are impersonating police and misleading the public and should be arrested for it?
“Rick, how much of the blame do you put on your former neighbors – those neighbors who saw “too many brown faces” and fled? ”
None. I would have been gone too if I had the money. Things looked very bad at the time for my neighborhood and I didn’t see it as a safe place to raise children, or an area with much future.
Not because of “brown faces” and BTW my wife and children are black.
“Those of us who live in relatively uneffected areas have been adversely effected by your efforts.”
My neighborhood was in crisis mode. I doubt that your story would move me to tears.
The Red Speck monthly newsletter has skipped many a month, and its voracious readership, all eight of them, have missed out on precious indoctrination/disinformation. But luckily, the newsletter’s larger fan base … those of us who enjoy a good laugh, have discovered the unpublished drafts for the April, May, June, and July monthly newsletters and I will be releasing excerpts later this evening.
Headlines include “Whites Only Garbage Pick-up Victorious at Coverstone” and “Nuetering of Rule of Mob Resolution Irrelevant If We Pretend It Didn’t Happen.”
So what has the resolution gotten us that we didn’t have before? How about a comparison here. Before and after. The resolution was a straw man used to manipulate the politicians and to scare the immigrants. The straw man got neutered and no one on the hsm side wanted to admit it had losts its manhood.
Maybe you all see a different side to this.
Why is it that kgotthardt is always calling for people to be arrested? Should people who form a neighborhood watch group be arrested for impersonating police officers? No, becuase they are not representing themselves as such, and neither is HSM. From everything that I have read, the HSM crime prevention team is simply a county-wide “neighborhood watch”.
As to the other arguments, “white flight” is real. Calling it “racist” doesn’t diminish the fact that it is happening. I personally believe that the term is just a convenient lable slapped on a trend, where long-term residents leave an area due to blight, over-crowding, influx of low-income people etc., and little to do with race.
Neighborhood watch isn’t the same as calling yourself a “Crime Prevention Team” and hounding people at the local 7-11’s. Should I go make a Citizen’s Arrest of GL/HSM for perpetrating hate crimes? Imagine what would happen if I tried to pull THAT off? No one would stand for it (and of course, I’d never be stupid enough to try it).
I’m glad you note it’s not about race, Ed–at least, it isn’t for you. Unfortunately, it IS for others, and that’s why the “racist” term sticks. When people like Elvis talk about Hispanics like they are cockroaches and refer to Mexican Circuses, it IS about race and not poverty.
Poverty is never good. How we DEAL with poverty is key.
“Do The Right Thing Program”.
http://www.helpsavemanassas.org/index.php/do%20the%20right%20thing/businesses
Large tracts of housing always have the potential to become slummier unless they’re saved by a truly good location – and I don’t mean twenty to thirty miles outside DC. Housing becomes dated looking and may no longer attract the same demographic that it did when it was built. Young families may still opt for it because it may be in the same price range as a new townhouse but with the advantage of a yard. New designs become popular; new technology saves energy; upscale stores may factor into choosing a new location; schools always will be an important factor in choosing a house.
Housing that was once affordable and appreciated may be abandoned. I remember Manassas Park from thirty years ago when there was an abundance of vacant houses. People didn’t want those houses – whether because of uncertainty surrounding the new incorporation of the city or for other reasons. How are vacant houses a boon to the tax base? Many of those houses were bought by Hispanic families in recent years. They added to the tax base. And yet the Red Specks love to yap about how they’re a drain on the economy and how areas have become slums.
I wonder how much the Crime Prevention Team has cost the county in terms of diverting the police from other matters. I imagine they respond because they know with a bunch of flakey vigilantes that any situation has the ability to escalate.
Info, that’s not a very impressive list after a year’s worth of trying to get companies to participate. And I see one company that I’ve used in the past and would never use again. Do you vet the companies to see if they’re licensed and get the necessary permits? Do you check to see if there are any valid complaints against them?
I did notice Maureen Wood, the ‘legislative director’ comment briefly about the changes in her ‘part’ of the newsletter.
“I’m glad you note it’s not about race, Ed–at least, it isn’t for you. Unfortunately, it IS for others, and that’s why the “racist” term sticks. When people like Elvis talk about Hispanics like they are cockroaches and refer to Mexican Circuses, it IS about race and not poverty.
kgotthardt,
I too am offended by the use of terms like “cockroaches” “infestation” etc. On the one hand, they are used to dehuminize the subjects they intend to describe. On the other, it expresses what I see as deep frustration with our broken system. I am 100% against illegal immigration, but I always try to remember that these are people, and people are entitled to a certain amount of respect for their humanity. This respect is strained when I read about, hear about, and on one occasion, experience crimes committed by people who are in this country ilegally. These people should be arrested, prosecuted, detained, and deported.
I don’t see the “crime prevention team”‘s actions as being unlawful. If I saw a bunch of people drinking and urinating in public, loitering on private property, I would call the police too. I don’t care what color they are, or what language they are speaking. If they are breaking the law, a citizen should report it. The police have a duty to respond, and take action.
I would love to see you make a citizens arrest KG, let us know when you plan to be out there so I can watch your attempt. First, they are doing nothing wrong it’s nothing different than a neighborhood watch type thing. Second, if you attempt to make a citizens arrest be forewarned, you must be “privileged” to make such an arrest i.e. you see a crime in action and two, you are held accountable for anything that goes wrong i.e. getting your ass kicked. If you attempt to arrest someone you do it at your own peril. If the people are in the right (and your are wrong) dont be surprised if they fight your efforts and throw a punch or two (or three) in your direction and after all that you’ll likely wind up in court on the wrong end of lawsuit.
citizens arrests are made by extremely stupid people, I’ve never seen one go right and it’s always cost those people more than a few days in court. Let the pro’s handled the arrests and be a good witness. Leave the hero stuff to those who get paid to take the bullet
It’s really very interesting to see how you can slap a label ‘illegal’ on some people and all of a a sudden, people feel at ease expressing all their innate bigotry. I suppose it’s a revelation of how much bigotry still exists among the American populace.
What is amazing to me is how quickly we find ourselves back in the 1950s.
I’m literally worried for my safety when I leave my home because of the way I look. I’m not feverishly worried, but it’s always there now in the back of my head. And it was never there before.
KG didn’t say that she was going to attempt any citizens arrest.
How do you see the Crime Prevention Team as being the equivalent of a Neighborhood Watch? NW has guidelines that have to be adhered to and a certain number of participants. They are also trained by the police and have to make contact with all residences, if I remember correctly. What you have at the 7-11 are HSM’s equivalent of Minutemen and their vigilante/intimidation tactics.
Maureen Wood is on a spinning campaign! She’d have us believe that if she hadn’t foia’ed some info from the City, nothing would have been done about the sign and if she hadn’t smacked Chief Deane’s hand, we’d be a sanctuary city (er…county). Haha. She’s been around Letiecq too long. The hubris evident.
There should be an “is” up there. haha
“I don’t see the “crime prevention team”’s actions as being unlawful. If I saw a bunch of people drinking and urinating in public, loitering on private property, I would call the police too.”
But it’s the 7/11’s job to make the complaint since it is their property. My other issue with it is HSM people show up at public places to make people feel uncomfortable and intimidate. Again, that’s not useful. It’s like they are trying to incite a fight.
A Neighborhood Watch means watching YOUR neighborhood, not the whole county. We aren’t talking about people walking around picking up trash. We are talking about intimidation here, not some useful service done for the good of our communities.
Elvis, please learn to read more closely:
“kgotthardt 18. August 2008, 14:19
Neighborhood watch isn’t the same as calling yourself a “Crime Prevention Team” and hounding people at the local 7-11’s. Should I go make a Citizen’s Arrest of GL/HSM for perpetrating hate crimes? Imagine what would happen if I tried to pull THAT off? No one would stand for it (and of course, I’d never be stupid enough to try it).”
“Let the pro’s handled the arrests and be a good witness. Leave the hero stuff to those who get paid to take the bullet”
Should I assume you are telling me if I WERE try it I would be taking a bullet?
One does wonder.
It is interesting that people are willing to admit that these issues have to do with legality, economics, etc., but the moment race or xenophobia is mentioned, those causes are completely discounted. I believe that there are MANY causal factors that make up viewpoints on this issue; it doesn’t have to be one or the other. That is simply unrealistic.
Look, I know that a wall goes up in most people when they hear words like racism or prejudice. I understand that, and that probably some will discount what I am saying simply because I typed those cringe-inducing words. I think we all need to realize that prejudice is a part of humanity (inside of ALL of us), and we NEED to talk about it and confront it, so that it doesn’t make its way into law or action.
I certainly don’t want to offend people by talking about it, but race and ethnicity are not dirty words. This is something that can’t just be ignored because it makes us uncomfortable. Groups of people saying we should all just be Americans without hyphens, speak the same language, think and behave the same way or get out of this country is a huge neon sign of that discomfort. If we realize that prejudice and how it has been exploited in Prince William County DOES play at the very least a part in this issue, we can have a better discussion.
Elvis,
Reading comprehension problems again? Knock it off. I know you know how to read and that wasn’t what was said.
Here is an excellent small debate between an outspoken anti-immigrant activist and an undocumented worker who came here to build a better life for his family.
I was struck by the humility of the immigrant. His open and sincere responses to the verbal attacks of the anti-immigrant activist say it all.
Without the unrealistic and nonsensical immigration law in its current form, the anti-immigrant activist really has nothing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cSfvZuMJW2U&feature=related
It’s probably not a wise political move to attach your reputation to a recluse like Greg Letiecq, otherwise you could become a flash in the pan. Besides the rumor mill has it that people are quickly learning that being associated with a nativist organization has its economic disadvantages when it comes to employment opportunities.
check out this link, gotta wonder what issues hispanics have with machete’s, guess they just like to hack each other up?
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26271493
I’m sorry, these stories are getting all to common. I’m still amazed that you folks (moon, that means you too girly man) advocate animals (no, they are not human beings) who do this to others. what irks me is that if this happened to you…you would be right on GL’s team screaming against them yourself. so enjoy it while you can, sit on the fence and watch the criminals get off on the rest of society as todays pregnant illegal can produce the criminal that will harm your children later on in life.
I dont advocate GL’s tactics, but I do understand why people take his route.
and KG, you are really something… go give someone a citizens arrest, better yet arrest your self and lock yourself up so we dont have to hear you. I know you have chains and handcuffs around so use them, make sure you break out your ball-gag so we dont have to hear you. better yet, have moon help you out.
moon, oh my lucky stars…upset today that you couldnt hire an illegal to mow your lawn?
Elvis,
Ah, I fail to see how it’s any different than this story with Caucasion sounding names, involving a man who hits a woman with a truck.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26271492/
And I fail to see why a Hispanic brandishing a gun bb or otherwise is much different than wielding a knife? If I weren’t allowed to own a gun, I’d find the next biggest dangerous menacing piece of weaponry to protect myself and my property.
Nice one Alanna.
Elvis, I think we’ll put you in the stocks in the middle of Coverstone and see how well you fare. We’ll sell tickets so people can come by and tickle you. Should be a loooooooong line of folks waiting! What a great fundraiser! 😉
Elvis, I just get pissed off when people who have all the skills you say you have can’t..translation…WON’T read. You know Katherine didn’t say that and yet you had to make an issue instead of sticking to the facts. Were they too weak to argue?
You intentionally misread and then put your own spin on things or you would know that no one here defends criminals and most of us support the 287g program.
Now whats this about an illegal mowing my grass? A family member is the only person who has ever mowed my grass. Want to borrow him? wink wink
He doesn’t tickle, I promise.
As I have argued for some time, Elvis is most likely a bleeding heart liberal writing outrageously racist and ignorant posts on this blog to shame and humiliate any remaining non-bigoted members of Help Save Manassas into quitting.
Whether or not he is for real, the most amusing part of the Elvis Shamelessly Racist Comedy Show is that he manages to fit in a swipe at Greg Letiecq … “I don’t approve of his tactics” … as if there is a moral or ethical distinction between Elvis’ neanderthal bigotry for bigotry’s sake, and Letiecq’s sneakily calculated bigotry for the sake of political power for himself, the Anti-Immigrant Lobby, and Letiecq’s Blunder Twin Corey Stewart.
If forced to choose, I’d choose Elvis, not because his tactics are less dispicable, but because the intellectual content of his “arguments” is so vastly inferior that he does more damage to the Anti-Immigrant Lobby than anything Gospel Greg could say at his most honest and revealing moment.
I agree, Elvis certainly isn’t able to argue a point coherently without resorting to put downs or insults. Now, back to figuring out what it is he does that keeps him around the courthouse. Anyone else think that maybe he is a bail bondsman?! A law school flunky turned what’s that guy’s name who has a TV show? Something the bounty hunter? He was exposed for his vile racism against his son’s wife or fiance? Yeah, I guess that would be my vote. After all, he is constantly referencing the Marumsco area. If he doesn’t live over there, why else would he be over there all the time? Chasing down criminals?
The use of John Locke, in this ridiculous HSM “newsletter”, was pathetic. John Locke’s most important contribution to the United States was the Declaration of Independence, a document that I think is summarily dismissed by Greg as it doesn’t fit into his paradigm.
Did anyone else notice this..
HSM has added another weapon to it’s arsenal in the fight against illegal aliens.
This sounds like a militia, not a grass roots organization. imho.
Perhaps someone is starting a survivalist camp. Too many warriors. I thought that was done in Idaho, not Manassas, VA.
I missed that one Chris, thanks for sharing 🙁
Seriously, I guess we are suppose to be left guessing what the “additional” weapon is in their arsenal? They sound like little boys playing war games. Only it isn’t a game and the consequences are based in the real world.
Did you see the top of page 2 of the newsletter refering to gregl:
“The Commander addresses the Troops”
Bwahahahahahha
Here’s a cursory list of war propaganda quotes from the first 5 pages of the newsletter:
1. The front line
2. save manassas
3. holding fast and pressing forward
4. combatting businesses
5. added another weapon to its arsenal
6. The Commander addresses the Troops
7. we won the fight
8. reports from the field
9. On the field of battle
The picture of the HSM people on page 10 just jumped out at me. They’re kookoo.
Elena,
Here’s some more glaring things I found.
How about this one under “Marching Orders”… HSM ONLY succeeds if you join in the fight.
Or this one under “HSM Taking It To The Streets”..
We will be documenting activity at several county sites during the weekday and weekend mornings when volunteers are available.
The Coverstone 7-11 has had a bad reputation since the 1970’s. It’s always been a questionable store to visit. I saw a man get stabbed there in the 70’s as a youngster. I’ve never been one to visit that place. I’ve maybe in that location 5 times in 30years.
Here’s some more to add to the list.
Per the ole Marching Orders.. ENLIST, JOIN, PREPARE. Where’s the local recruitment office? 🙂
What happens when the troops don’t follow there Marching Orders? Do they get Court marshalled HSM style?
Please, I’m not at all interested in who Elvis really is. Bottom line: if he did wise up and realize how much he damages the Anti-Immigrant Lobby cause with his senseless bigotry, we’d need to find a replacement and quick. This blog would suffer greatly without the example he sets for why we cannot move forward as a people with bigots running our local government.
I’m not going to be able to release lost articles from the April, May, June, and July Help Save Manassas Newsletter just yet. Legal issues.
The Capital Area Alliance Against Illegal Immigration – of which HSM is a part – includes several Minutemen organizations which typically like to dress up and play soldier.
Censored,
Per the Front Line, page 12 the number of residential overcrowding complaints dropped from 79 in July of 2007 to 30 in July of 2008. That respresents 62% decrease. You and I seem to be the only that realizes the overcrowding complaints are a very small percentage. I bet half of those complaints don’t meet the requirements per code of overcrowding. I think we should be a Quarterly Report from NS in September.
-Censored, Jr. (I had the one & only comment I’d made in ages DELETED last week)