Funny letter to the editor today from Chairman Stewart accusing Fairfax Supervisor Connolly of attacking 11th Congressional District candidate Keith Fimian over his religious beliefs. In part it says,
As a devout Catholic, I am troubled to see this. As an American, and a constituent of the 11th District, I am incensed. It was almost half a century ago that the same bigoted attacks were made on President John F. Kennedy.
How Chairman Stewart is able to recongnize these as bigoted attacks when he’s been unable to recognize bigoted attacks in the past is beyond me.
No Elena, I would have been on the side of the people who advocate the LAW, be enforced equally on all the SAME. IT was not. The civil rights issues was about EQUALITY under the LAW (That is a Democracy). THE UNEQUAL LAW is why it was SEGREGATED. IT was FIXED by making the LAW the SAME, and enforceing it the same, not by giving privilege or discrimminating against gender, racial, religious or ethnic groups. THe civila rights cause, is not the same as supporting “illegal” immigrants. NOT EVEN CLOSE. We do NOT hAVE TWO SETS of LAWS here, as some who support “illegals” want desperately to have.
We have one law, codified in the federal statutes on “illegal” immigration, and it is enforced equally on everyone the same regardless of gender, race, religion or ethnic group. Those who break it get pusished, those who do not are not held accountable, and are protected from harrassment, privilege, discrimmination and illegal due process.
My “issue” is with people who won’t enforce that law, until it is “changed” by a democractic majority. If I have any issue with you it is that you don’t seem to support the enforcement of ALL of that law, and you simply advocate for “sympathy” to support people who break the law. I think that is wrong and so does the rest of the majority in this Democracy, whether you personally like it or not.
I support you when you ONLY support issues that affect “Legal” people. But you blur both groups of people into one cause and in so doing cause “issue” with me and every other American who wants the law enforced.
Elena said: “Now people may get heated, and they may “pummel” people with facts”,
I think you are dreaming if that is what you call attacks against people on here. I agree with much of what you say but as an independent, I and many others have pointed out the nasty comments on here. And those comments are usually followed by a mob joining in. It would be great if once, someone who calls himself/herself a moderate would stop making excuses for nasty posts and tell even their friends that they went over the top. It unfortunately never happens here.
By the way, that is why I don’t post much here anymore. Sounds great for open discussion doesn’t it?
Michael, do you ever read what you type?
“Those who break it get pusished, those who do not are not held accountable, and are protected from harrassment, privilege, discrimmination and illegal due process.”
I am not talking about the spelling errors.
PW Resident,
But people have told others when they have gone over the top and normally an apololgy subsequently follows. I have gotten inbetween Lucky and Mackie in hopes of getting back to the discussion at hand. In fact, when Dan Stein posted, both Alanna and I said that calling him scum was NOT the way to respond. Now, as for people like Elvis and a few others, they do not get respect in any way because they simply are here to be hateful and cruel.
Elena! Stop taking Michael seriously. He’s just doing a parody of Greg Letiecq. Did you notice that everyone else is ignoring this foolery?
If he were using his real name, of course he would not be voicing such a laughable legal opinion about whether or not blogs can be sued. If blogs we disagree with can be sued, we should just shut down the internet entirely. In other words, blogs we don’t agree with cannot be sued.
End of discussion.
I’d like to see a law suit against this blog. It would be good drama and great press for the best political blog in NoVA!
I can imagine how it would go. 3 years from now, Comprehensive Immigration Reform is the law of the land. Corey Stewart has been booted out of the Republican party and Mike May is running for Chairman against Frank Principi. Corey Stewart decides to retire from politics, and, the day after his announcemnt, one of his despondant followers decides to file suit against AntiBVBL.net. His reasons? This blog has caused him years of pain and suffering by forcing him to read it religiously. AND, he blames the posters here for forcing Corey Stewart into retirement by exposing his duplicity and ineptitude for three solid years without let up, and wihtout Corey Stewart, he has no reason to live
This person happens to have money to waste, so he hires four college kids to read through hundreds of AntiBVBL web pages and pick out the posts that MOST damaged Corey Stewart and the Anti-immigrant Lobby.
Who makes the list?
WHWN, Moon-Howler, Censored, KGotthardt, Elvis, and Michael. The latter two for posting such bigotry (Elvis) and pretzel logic (Michael) that it makes Corey Stewart look like a Pied Piper manipulating a band of bigots and idiots who almost dragged the rest of us off an anti-immigrant cliff. So, Censored, KGotthardt, WHWN, Moon-Howler, Elvis, and Michael are named as defendants on the suit.
During the trial, the plaintiff testifies that he first got the idea to sue AntiBVBL when he read a post here written in August of 2008, and we find out that one of the defendants, Michael, is the man who gave him the idea…..
I’ve never heard or seen any sign of bigotry from Corey Stewart. Unless you have a mental disorder that confuses enforcing the law with bigotry, or see bigotry in every aspect of life. Some folks look for it everywhere, in church, in the grocery store, while filling their gas tanks. Those people will, of course, find it everywhere.
Elena said: “Now people may get heated, and they may “pummel” people with facts”
Are you kidding me??? Lunacy and rhetoric, yes. But facts? Why do you think this blog devolved into such a circle jerk? No solutions or real discussion here. Move along.
Mando your involuntary indoctrination is showing. Your kind are is best suited for other activities, like screaming at the television on command. Blogging, not your bag.
Elena, with all due respect, it doesn’t come across that way. I am not the only one voicing the opinion. I would like to see this blog thrive but if it gets a reputation that people who disagree are beaten down and leave, and do not post because the admins are not warning their friends but only those they disagree with, there cannot be credibility.
I am offering the comments as constructive in the hopes that passionate opinions remain civil and name calling is handled with swiftly and decisively. And that includes having nasty pet names for people in the public eye.
@WhyHereWhyNow
This coming from the leader of the circle jerk? LOL!
Mando, what are the specific problems and what are your solutions? You realize that it sounds as though you’re asking some local bloggers to solve the problems that the federal government has been unable to solve.
Suggest reading “The Real Economic Scorecard” by Robert J. Samuelson in today’s
Washington Post op/ed section (A15).
” Low-skilled immigrants, concentrated among Hispanics, outnumber the high
skilled. They drag down median incomes and raise proverty and the number
of uninsured.”
Immmigration, documented or not, generally benefits the immigrant – or they
wouldn’t do it. What must also be understood is the impact on host communities.
To ignore the real problems of rapid demographic change is to leave fertile ground for
BVBL , Corey S. and others to plow.
“Circle jerk”?
That’s one I would have censored.
Take your imagery to some other website, please. There are many of them more appropriate to your hobbies.
NGL, talk about a freaking Kangaroo Court!!! LOL! Good luck Michael et al getting lawyer for THAT one when we can’t even get lawyers for things like government sponsored student loan fraud.
Thank you. I needed good laugh this morning.
Poor Richard, that article sounds as though its saying that the increase in poverty pretty much stays within the immigrant community – that it’s not dragging the salaries of other workers down (except by being averaged in). However, the increased cost appears to be in health insurance and, as the article says, as health insurance becomes a larger part of a worker’s overall pay, the actual take home paycheck may be smaller as the fringe benefits become higher. Frankly, I was surprised to see that only 15% of the population was uninsured.
Perhaps more emphasis needs to be placed on health care reform – whether through more free clinics or subsidized policies for those at or below the poverty level.
Censored bybvbl…who do you think pays for the “free clinics or subsidized policies”?
They are not “free”, the rest of us pay the bills.
Lucky Duck, of course they’re not free. But as long as the people are here, you can offer cheaper preventive care at a health clinic or use the more expensive option – the hospital emergency room. What’s your solution?
Censored by bvbl,
As the old song goes, money isn’t “heaven sent”.
Yes, preventive care is of great value and it makes sense to use clinics
(including drugstores) to address minor medical issues, but even that
cost money.
Poor,uneducated and uninsured people, especially when ill,
put fiscal stress on the exsisting medical safety net – no matter their race,
religion or national origin. That is just a cold hard fact. As a decent, humane
society we have an obligation to care for them, but that creates
tremendous financial pressures athat will only grow as that population increases.
If you don’t cure the sick you have, you will have more of the sick.
Many clinics are private, non-profits. Some free meds are actually given out by the drug companies. Before we generalize, look at the clinics and the hospitals.
Since Congress doesn’t want to create a work program that will help people get insurance, they can blame themselves. But that doesn’t give anyone the moral right to refuse health care to anyone.
Lucky Duck
Having volunteered in Free Clinics, I can tell you most of the funding comes from contributions and fund raisers. The government puts very little of their tax dollars into free clinics. I know the City donates about $10,000 a year to the Free Clinic here. I do not know what PW Co donates. People like you and me donate funds. Doctors, nurses, and those who provide administrative support, except the Director, are volunteers. Many drug companies donate drugs for patients with chronic illnesses.
There are very, very few government funded free clinics in VA.
Poor Richard, I know several native-born, self-employed citizens who opt to spend their money on booze and cigarettes rather than health insurance. At least the hospital has some chance of recovering some of the funds – provided that their address or work place is known.
Here’s an article about a town that I once lived near in Georgia. Because of a new state law, the health department cut off many services to adult illegal immigrants. Many people who couldn’t prove residency opted to pay for the services. That’s one solution – to continue to offer the services at a price. Emergency care is an obvious service that couldn’t be denied.
http://www.daltondailycitizen.com/archivesearch/local_story_259231026.html
I guess I’m not as appalled at paying higher taxes on well-managed services as some people are. Half of my real estate tax for the thirty years that I’ve been a homeowner in PWC has gone to the schools. I’ve never had a child in the school system and it’s a large chunk of my local tax, but I’d rather pay it and have an educated populace. All of us pay for something that we don’t need or use. I think a great way to take advantage of a service that your tax provides is to use the library .
“Mando, what are the specific problems and what are your solutions?”
I’ve mentioned the solution MANY times. It’s really quite simple. This is a problem of supply and demand (economics). Industry in our country has a demand for cheap labor but a severe lack of supply. Thus, we import the supply. We should be exporting the demand instead of having tax payers subsidize the importation of the supply. Citizens of both countries would benefit.
Mando, what do you do with the legal residents of this country who don’t have very high skill levels? Who employs them?
Mando, also, if the majority of low-skilled immigrant workers are employed in construction, maid-service, hospitality, landscaping, small businesses then they are needed here.
“Mando, what do you do with the legal residents of this country who don’t have very high skill levels? Who employs them?”
A free market enjoys what is called the invisible hand. It guides those that want to those that have. I have faith that US citizens that truly want a job will find that job. National unemployment rates attest to that.
The flip side is, why import millions upon millions of illegal immigrants to fill a demand that U.S. citizens aren’t willing to fill in the name of keeping jobs U.S. citizens don’t want to do?
“Mando, also, if the majority of low-skilled immigrant workers are employed in construction, maid-service, hospitality, landscaping, small businesses then they are needed here.”
Work visas. Also:
“Mando, what do you do with the legal residents of this country who don’t have very high skill levels? Who employs them?”
I mean, you answered your own question.
Think about it. You set up industry in Mexico in these depressed little squalors of towns and watch life and hope come to them.
For jobs that can neither be exported nor filled by U.S. citizens, there’s a whole industry of head hunters which can tie immigrant workers with U.S. employers and tie it to a visa program. Take the money out of the coyote’s hands and place it into legit business.
Do those two things, and you are TRULY helping those that come here just to work and feed their families. Border security and ICE can focus on the true criminals rather then migrant workers.
Emma, 2. September 2008, 17:32
Marie, Juturna, et al,
Why do you hold Corey–and, by extension here, Catholics–to such an extremely high standard? You have a lot of nerve attacking Corey’s devotion, while asserting that you yourselves are devout and “do not like to judge people.” You have nothing but contempt for Corey, and take every opportunity to ridicule him. That’s devout? This entire thread is beginning to drip with contempt and hatred. Excuse me, but the Catholic Church is a HUMAN institution, and humans are notoriously imperfect. Attacking Corey’s faith is cheap and desperate.
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I was simply criticizing his continued self-aggrandizement and it it continues with calling himself devout. Read what I wrote Emma. I consider the word devout to be an attribute given a person not something you claim for yourself….. Thought my sarcasm in calling myself devout was apparent…. 🙂
No way can that be construed as an attack on his faith. Unless you are looking for something to pick at ….. I don’t go there. Think it’s a dangerous thing to do.
I agree that that’s a good idea but wonder how many people are willing to relocate for jobs and how quickly.
The Georgia town which I referenced is basically a one industry town although there are chicken plants in the surrounding area. Most of the town’s economy is tied to the carpet industry. It employs thousands of people. The plant owners tried to recruit in neighboring states without much luck. It’s in the Appalachian foothills. A lot of people tend to stay put – much like rural Virginians. I believe some parts of the industry may have moved out of the country at one time but there’s been a lot of consolidation now with fewer processes subbed out. Actually China is viewed as the biggest competitor. There would probably be a move there rather than farther south.
I mean citizens willing to relocate as opposed to immigrants.
This area was doing fairly well eight years ago – prior to the massive wave
of immigrants, both documented and not – life was pretty good. (Old Town
Manassas was even selected by Washingtonian Magazine as a “best place to live”
in the area – before Fernandez vandalized it with his ugly sign.)
The idea that we wanted or needed a horde of poor, uneducated and low-skilled
people to come here and declare how much we “need them” and to pay extra for
their prescence is simply false.
Of course, immigrants came here to improve their lot, but what about the
exsisting citizens – did it improve or hurt them? That is a question that needs to
be addressed in a fair and pragmatic way. There will be no
reconcilation until that is done.
Poor Richard, how would we measure whether the existing citizens had been hurt or helped or both? Property values? (There’s that nasty sub-prime mortgage mess to take into account.) Income levels? Local tax increases? Safety? Diversity?
If a farm or business feels they need to import workers – fine – IF they don’t
transfer much of the cost to locals for items such as schools and health care
AND they have a reasonable plan for housing that doesn’t swamp exsisting
neighborhoods with overcrowded facilties — these issues need to be discussed
openly and fairly. We do impact studies and assign cost on dozens of things
now – why not immigration? Much of the problem has been the disorganized
hodge-podge way the federal government has allowed it to happen with no
regard for the immigrants or the native citizens. Spotted owls get more
study, attention and support.
“Actually China is viewed as the biggest competitor. There would probably be a move there rather than farther south.”
That’s because the Chinese govt. is on the ball and understands that its goldmine is its huge labor supply. It utilizes that labor supply and encourages other countries to utilize it as well. China speaks business. Won’t be long before Chinese labor evolve past manufacturing and repetitive line work. Their labor supply will become more educated and less willing to do that work. Their labor supply will be competing with us.
“Most of the town’s economy is tied to the carpet industry. It employs thousands of people.”
Does it employ citizens or illegal aliens? Smaller industries which just cannot afford to relocate to take advantage of another countries labor supply could utilize some sort of head hunting service which allows it to import that labor supply legally. It would cost them (rather then US) to do so, but it would be at their own behest. There could be special rules that must be followed if an industry is going to import labor en masse like providing minimums for health care, housing, etc. Tax payers shouldn’t be picking up that tab. I believe this would be the exception rather then the rule because I have to believe if you’re not able to compete internationally then why should we subsidize you to do so? Importing labor should be prohibitive for larger scale industries.
Mando, they had a labor shortage. Immigrants migrated there from jobs that had been available building the Olympic structures in Atlanta. The mill owners recruited in Mexico both for mill workers and later for teachers. I suspect that although the originally recruited workforce was legally here, many who have followed are not. In fact, there was a court case involving Mohawk Carpets that reached the US Supreme Court and was sent back to the lower court. It was brought by employees who attempted to employ RICO statutes to address wages that they said were driven down by illegal immigrants.
Housing was available and probably pretty cheapily found by the original immigrant workforce. The schools are probably the biggest burden on the tax base.
The demographics have changed as much as they have in Manassas. It’s an unusual area in that there are many poor people but a lot of wealth (and beauty queens…haha).
A darker state economy sends day laborers packing
Gina Ferazzi / Los Angeles Times
With more competing for fewer jobs, some immigrant workers are returning home.
http://www.latimes.com/business/careers/work/la-me-return1-2008sep01,0,3882876.story
Juturna, I hardly think calling himself a devout Catholic qualifies as “self-aggrandizement” just because you don’t agree with his stance on illegal immigration. I happen to think a candidate IS responsible for the messages sent out by his/her party committee, and if those messages are attacking another persons’ religious affiliations, then the candidate needs to speak up or discourage such messages. Connolly has been silent even while automated phone calls go out to his constituency attacking Fimian’s Legatus membership.
Do you really believe that the Republicans’ hands were totally clean when John Kerry was swiftboated?
To clarify, was George Bush blissfully unaware of that irresistably juicy, tasty nugget that effectively discredited Kerry? Somehow I doubt it. No more than Connolly was oblivious to these attacks against Fimian.
info,
so you mean the ‘invading force’ were here to work?
The MJM posted this notice at 3:10 this afternoon and you have until (:30 this evening to get your tickets
http://www.insidenova.com/isn/news/local/article/vp_nominee_joe_biden_to_visit_manassas_tomorrow/20656/
CORRECTION: 3:10 this afternoon but BVBL has a different account:
http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/09/03/joe-biden-comes-to-prince-william/
Screw it…lol, the correction was for the time you have left to pick up your tickets this evening : 9:30
Speaking of Corey ….
Fairfax County announced a $439 million shortfall for FY10 and has directed county staff to present 15% across the board cuts from all agencies. Anyone hear anything about PWC…?
WHWN is absolutely right, blogs canot likely be sued directly. Only the information on them can be used to track down additional or real public evidence of unlawful wrong-doing, evidence of damage in terms of the issues and facts and evidence of factual activities of organizations and individuals engaged in public politics and criminal behavior, which cause factual damage and factual breaking of the law acountable under the law.
I am simply pointing out that advocating for any support of unlawful behavior or support of “illegals” in any way, can be determined from the evidence gathered from a blog or any public source document, and then used to track down futher evidence of actual and intentional harm done, damage, lawlessness and civil code violations.
Blogs are not immune from their real use as law-enforcement fact gathering instruments. Anti-terrorist cells use the internet all the time for this very real intelligence gathering purpose, though most of you sniker and scoff at the very idea of public information being used in any legal process. dream on….
Yes Leila I read my words,
Lawlessness and unlawful behavior is not protected from harassment, privilege, discrimmination, or punishment. A judge makes a determination of the degree of any of the above punishments applied to people who break the law. Some get privilege, some get discrimmination, some get harassment, some get punishment. Because it is a judgment, the degree of this varies with the personality, beliefs, bias and judicial rights and powers of a Judge.
Your point?
Only LAWFUL BEHAVIOR is protected from these adverse actions by the statement of the law. A judge must apply the law equally to all people who have NOT broken the law. He does not have to apply it equally to those who have broken the law, in determining sentencing, although their are recommended and some mandated “guidelines”.