Our neighbors to the north in Frederick, Maryland are encountering some of the same type of ‘Help Save’ maniacs that we saw here last year. Thankfully their elected board has yet to adopt any of the hair brain schemes proposed by their HSM – Help Save Maryland which is currently trying to convince Frederick officials to order a head count of students ‘legality’.
Unfortunately, this video can’t be embedded but it’s worth the look.
http://www.fredericknewspost.com/video_player/player.htm?url=/media/BOCC1022/BOCC1022.flv&id=1061
And, thank God for people like Vanessa Rinni Lopez who confront the hate-mongers and tell it like it is.
Hiiiisssss! Our local big mouths use better grammar than the Frederick hate spewers.
Wow. I also appreciate the African guy who stood up and said we are not “these people”, we are all one community. Thanks for posting this.
I have to wonder if this woman would be anxious to check greencards in a crowd full of people whom she thinks are Caucasian. Hmm…
Of course not. Saying, “Let’s check their green cards,” is a way for her to feel superior, to be a bully.
They look foolish to us because they have not been through what we’ve been through. I hope that they are able to avoid the same self-inflicted wounds that the hate parade caused in PWC. Alanna and Elena, you should teach the good people of Frederick how to defeat these nuts.
Let them try ordering a legality head count. I would expect an injunction to put a stop to that within the week. I don’t like kids being used as pawns.
Pawns? They are targets. Easy targets.
Gee, I’m sure a few welcomed billboards would help get the message across. It sounds like PWC all over again. Notice how illegal immigration has left the front page in PWC, (yea I know, It’s the economy stupid!) because we’ve addressed the problem. Like it or not, it’s not the festering wound it once was as the general public has welcomed the outcome. But, on the bright side, if you convince them to be a sanctuary area then they will not have to return here, which is fine by me.
Ok, I can here the keyboards humming now!
Where is Toto the builder to lick her boots and hump her leg in front of the cameras for the McCain campaign?
SA, I’d rather have four hard working “illegals” than ONE of those people targeting children. People who target children don’t respect life. Disgusting.
SA, I think that the front pages are not mentioning immigration because the mover and the shakers of the anti-immigration crew have stopped howling. The resolution is a somewhat limited document that really doesn’t do jack.
I keep asking and no one has answered, what changes does the Resolution really make? No one answers. It scared people and caused political unrest. That’s about it. And if people are comfortable with the notion that we can run people out of town, well, I guess it was somewhat successful. I am not comfortable with that type of mentality, myself.
That woman reminds me of Hazel Massery
Either the red carpet is rolled out, or it is not. Right now it’s rolled out and it needs to be rolled up.
We made a social contract in this country to educate our children and to pay for it. But I do not accept that we are bound to educate other nations’ kids as well.
Or to sit and watch as our ruling class deliberately flouts US law with people as pawns, increasing poverty deliberately so as to lower wages.
–what changes does the Resolution really make? No one answers. It scared people and caused political unrest. That’s about it.–
Your forgot the costs, MH. We have a shortfall–in the budget and in wisdom.
Rick, we can’t put kids out on the street. And we can’t punish them for their parents’ actions no matter what we think of their actions. So we either allow parents a path to citizenship or we deport them (which is expensive and ridiculous, especially if the parents have been paying taxes and aren’t criminals).
Don’t fight kids. Fight government.
PAP, your logic can be generalized out to allow flouting the law by anyone with children. There is no logic in that. The road to hell is paved with good liberal intentions.
SA,
Tell me why when Corey visits other localities does he make the point that he’s not there on behalf of the Prince William County Board of Supervisors?
I’ll tell you why because the rest of the community is sick of this and we’re not in support of his agenda. How did we fix the problem? By losing 40% in home values by having foreclosure rates double, triple, quadruple or ten times higher than other counties? How was this a good thing, again?
The self-inflicted foreclosure debacle in our county is the strongest evidence that Corey’s policy was one of the stupidest we’ve ever seen. It may take decades to recover. Will minorities come to live in PWC now?
Your solution, Rick? Break up homes? Cause more instability than we already have? This is about immigration. When we attack kids, we attack the very fabric of our society. What are your suggestions?
–your logic can be generalized out–
I try not to generalize. Generalizing is a logical error.
“The self-inflicted foreclosure debacle in our county is the strongest evidence that Corey’s policy was one of the stupidest we’ve ever seen”
The number of foreclosures is evidence that illegal aliens were buying up mucho homes and inflating prices in PWC even above the national norm … how you think it’s good for them to live crammed into those houses bringing down standard of living and paying far less property tax per capita while consuming services is beyond me … you may have an affinity for poor people but I think you need to consider the impacts when you welcome them en masse into a community.
PAP my suggestions are to deport, to force parents to identify themselves when registering kids for school (and to turn over evidence of ilegal status to ICE), to enact high standards of proof on employers so that they only hire legal workers, to raid day labor hangouts, and to make it a priority to stop any use of Spanish by any taxpayer-financed organization including our public schools. Also we need to stop paying for ESOL and shift burden to the parents.
Rick, huge assumption there. What makes you think that all the foreclosures in PWC were because of illegal immigrants?
Rick, that’s pretty extreme. And in the long run, it would cost us far more money. Why? Because we lose the tax revenue when working immigrants move out. Because we lose their contributions to the local economy.
You can’t tell parents to teach their kids English, especially if the parents are still learning themselves. Know what happens to your school budget when you have kids who can’t learn the language? It goes up because the kids stay back or don’t graduate. Then you have more issues than immigration on your hands. Outside of that, ESOL is not an additional cost. It’s just another section of English, a specific way of teaching it. To boot many ESOL classes are co-taught.
You can’t force parents to identify themselves. How would you do that? It’s illegal for one thing. It encourages use of false ID for another thing. And once again, what are you going to do until ICE shows up? Put the kids in misery and on the streets?
Why can’t people speak Spanish or any other language, so long as they can speak English as well? I’ll tell you what, if you made ME stop talking the way I do, I’d be citing freedom of speech, which is what Spanish speakers could technically claim. (Singling our Spanish is pretty, um…racist?)
Finally, since no one knows how many “illegals” took out loans, no one knows how many foreclosures were the result. Once again, this is scapegoating. And if “illegals” were living together, so what? We have U.S. born citizens doing it and for good reason—it’s too damn expensive.
Is our foreclosure rate really 10 times that of the region???!!! No wonder my home value is half what it was two years ago. Corey Stewart, I wish you never decided to run for higher office, and just focused on the issues we need dealt with at the county level of government. You bet our future in order to improve your own future. And you ended up sabotaging both!!!! Idiot.
I wish he never ran for ANY office. He really disgusts me. So does his VICE.
“What makes you think that all the foreclosures in PWC were because of illegal immigrants?” Not all – but very many. Objective reality all around me makes me think so. Talk to any realtor or real estate professional in the area, especially those showing homes to prospective buyers that were subdivided into flophouses and are in terrible shape.
We have 25 units on my block and 8 or so were illegal flophouses 2 years ago. I don’t need to beg my government to collate information on that to show me what happened here.
“You can’t tell parents to teach their kids English, especially if the parents are still learning themselves. ” I’m saying they would have to pay for it. Guess what, less illegal aliens would move here especially if they had kids.
“Know what happens to your school budget when you have kids who can’t learn the language? It goes up because the kids stay back or don’t graduate.” If they’re not citizens we have no compunction to teach them anything.
“But many are citizens even if their parents are illegal” you might say. Yes. That’s why I want to track such cases when they enroll and then deport those people. Pyler vs. Doe does not prevent this. Your kid can get an education. Doesn’t mean we can’t deport you yourself.
–I’m saying they would have to pay for it.–
Rick, they DO! They pay tuition to Adult Ed.
–If they’re not citizens we have no compunction to teach them anything.–
We’re shooting ourselves in the foot it we don’t….never mind the moral implications of that statement.
Looking up Pyler vs. Doe. Don’t know anything about it. I DO know targeting kids is WRONG.
“You can’t force parents to identify themselves.”
Um, when I moved here and enrolled a daughter in high school, I had to identify myself at some length and prove residiency using valid ID. They still make American citizens do that, but if a person speaks Spanish and doesn’t appear to be a citizen, they are given a different, special treatment not afforded regular citizens and can use fake IDs, consular cards, whatever gives lip service to the identification process.
And whereas if I had warrants against me or was a sex offender the school could track me, those who speak Spanish are not tracked. And in fact some child molesters have done horrid things here in recent times.
And in fact PWC schools were going to make all visitors on school property present ID and be tracked, to screen out pedophiles and such, but the plan was not enforced as originally designed because it was troublesome for the 40% of the population enrolling kids around here that weren’t legal.
Am I mistaken? That’s the **** truth of it. Do you live around here? You seem out-of-touch with realities.
Plyer vs. Doe
Plyler v. Doe, 457 U.S. 202 (1982), was a case in which the Supreme Court of the United States struck down a state statute denying funding for education to children who were illegal immigrants. The Court found that where states limit the rights afforded to people based on their status as aliens, this limitation must be examined under an intermediate scrutiny standard to determine whether it furthers a substantial goal of the State.
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The court majority found that the Texas law was “directed against children, and impose[d] its discriminatory burden on the basis of a legal characteristic over which children can have little control” — namely, the fact of their having been brought illegally into the United States by their parents. The majority also observed that denying the children in question a proper education would likely contribute to “the creation and perpetuation of a subclass of illiterates within our boundaries, surely adding to the problems and costs of unemployment, welfare, and crime.” The majority refused to accept that any substantial state interest would be served by discrimination on this basis, and it struck down the Texas law.
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ID’ing parents would put the kids at risk for discrimination. School is NOT the place to address this problem.
–had to identify myself at some length and prove residiency using valid ID.–
Yes, but residency isn’t citizen status. People can generally prove residency and they do.
–those who speak Spanish are not tracked—
HUH? How do you know this? Source? What are you talking about? Schools have people who speak Spanish and other languages.
–And in fact PWC schools were going to make all visitors on school property present ID and be tracked, to screen out pedophiles and such, but the plan was not enforced as originally designed because it was troublesome for the 40% of the population enrolling kids around here that weren’t legal–
It’s being enforced at OUR schools, Rick. Both my kids are in PWC schools and I’ve volunteered there. Where are you getting 40%? Come on! You’re pulling this stuff out of your buttocks!
Incidentally, in Plyer vs. Doe:
“Please note that the Supreme Court’s opinion in Plyler v. Doe used both “illegal” and “undocumented” when referring to the children in question.
So I will continute to use “undocumented.”
On Pyler vs. Doe, fine but it doesn’t mean you can’t deport the parents.
On residency – I submit to you that in a legal sense someone cannot be a resident if they are not a legal resident. In a practical sense, how can someone prove any such thing without proof of identity? On this as with many things we’ve created two sets of rules, one for average Americans and one for illegal aliens.
As to the 40%, that’s about how it was 2 years ago in the part of PWC I live in – near Mullen Elementary. How long have you been here? 2 years ago it was rtaher obvious the ratio was up around 40%.
Undocumented, illegal alien, scab, wage-reducer, criminal alien, identity theif, coward who abandoned their own country, you can use any of those as far as I’m concerned.
Rick, get me a source of your stats and I might believe you 🙂
“Residency” means you live in a certain place. You can prove that with utility bills, for goodness sakes!
I’ve been here for 10 years, almost 11 now. How about you?
–coward who abandoned their own country–
You’re reaching, Rick! 🙂
Needles for drug addicts
ESOL for kids of illegal aliens
A helping hand for people who increase poverty and reduce wages for Americans who play by the rules
Special rights for those who circumvent our legal ways, that erode public safety
These are all philopohies that I reject
8 years
and what good is a utility bill if you can’t correlate it to the person holding it?
As to the 40% figure, it’s not that high here now but it was 2 years ago. I have to ask where you live. Here in Bull Run it was shocking how rapid the influx was. I lived in the midst of it and it was very clearly 40% or more around here.
I submit to you that on some level they ARE cowards who abandoned their own country – and that this same cowardice will be part and parcel of why self-deportation will work to get them out of here when we take back our country and demand that the elitists who run things play fair with theior own citizens.
Needles for drug addicts–I don’t see this a viable cure for addiction.
ESOL for kids of illegal aliens–Fight this at the federal level, not the school level.
A helping hand for people who increase poverty and reduce wages for Americans who play by the rules–If they pay taxes, they aren’t getting handouts. If they are contributing to the economy, they aren’t getting handouts. If they are able to earn citizenship or work through a viable work program, all the better for us and them!
Special rights for those who circumvent our legal ways, that erode public safety–White collar criminals who take more from us than anyone else ever could are the ones who get “special rights.” Undocumented immigrants have few rights, so they live in hiding.
I lived in Manassas and now in Bristow between Manassas, Nokesville, Gainesville and Haymarket. I’m in an interesting no-mans-land of cultures where the middle class has all but disappeared.
If you can’t cite the 40% I can’t give it any credibility, Rick. You can’t just guestimate these things.
I don’t think running away from war and poverty to save your family is cowardly. In fact, leaving your home is about the least cowardly thing anyone could do. You should see the movie “The Namesake” about Indian immigrants. It’s not about war, but it’s about how hard it is to leave a country you love that can’t give you what you need.
I’ve been under the weather now for about a week. Thanks for keeping me amused 🙂
Anti-immigrant worshippers PLEASE!
All your bluster and filabuster can be undone in two sentences.
Now that the entire country is aware of the economy and how it can be negatively impacted by poor leadership and disastrous policy decisions, and now that Prince William County (and several other localities) have demonstrated the folly of destroying your local economy to appease an agitated and hysterical mob, there will be NO TAKERS for anti-immigrant legislation anywhere in the United States, least of all at the federal level. Not only are voters aware of the economic impacts, elected officials KNOW the voters are aware.
Game over, man, game over.
“ESOL for kids of illegal aliens–Fight this at the federal level, not the school level.”
We need to fight these things at EVERY level.
And I submit to you that’s it’s unconscionable to help illegal aliens at the expense of American citizens.
I agree. Two very long sentences, NGL, and all this anti-immigrant howling is rendered impotent.
“there will be NO TAKERS for anti-immigrant legislation”
Nice rhetoric, but whom exactly is talking about anti-immigrant legislation?
Interesting when you think that the only difference between legal and illegal immigrants is a piece of paper.
Enumerating the legality school children will never fly and will never pass muster in any court.
“Interesting when you think that the only difference between legal and illegal immigrants is a piece of paper. ”
LOL! Tell that to someone that has gone through the process.