Just finished reading Mexicans Without Borders Asks For Your Money which comments on an article in DC IndyMedia where John Steinback asks for donations and Greg Letiecq suggests those that do would be guilty of ‘aiding & abetting’.
As Christians are we to deny food & clothing because we fear some recipients might not have a social security number? Absolutely not. Do the righteous thing, and don’t let anyone discourage you from doing otherwise.
Please contemplate Matthew 25: 34-46 which reads:
34 “Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. 35 For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36 I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’
37 “Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38 When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? 39 When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?’
40 “The King will reply, ‘I tell you the truth, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of mine, you did for me.’
41 “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42 For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, 43 I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.’
44 “They also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?’
45 “He will reply, ‘I tell you the truth, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’
46 “Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.”
Don’t Goodwill and Salvation Army already help the poor in this area?
And how if at all do you intend to ever stem the flow of poverty that is migrating here from Mexico? Via charity?
If we donate to the Salvation Army, Goodwill or the Red Cross, are we not also “aiding and abetting”?
Don’t forget SERVE right here in PWC!! They do amazing things throughout the year. They’ve been doing “Operation Turkey” for many years. Visit their website..
http://www.serveinc.org/
Serve, local churches, and other charities also provide food and clothing to the poor. I have heard from several people who were not comfortable donating to a group like MWB which they feel, rightly or wrongly, is a questionable group.
I am not sure of their function, therefore *I* use the word ‘questionable.’
My only exposure has been through the dark screen which we know often distorts. I have yet to see anyone walking around Manassas or Woodbridge with a machine gun and scarf over face, so this is probably another one of those times.
My overwhelming feeling here is that Greg went far out on a limb about helping the helpless in his abortion screed. How quickly, once humans are born, do they get thrown to the trash pile. Hell, he didn’t even let more than a day or 2 go by before he decided who was worthy of food and who wasn’t.
How does one tell immigration status amongst hungry people?
I agree that MWB is a “questionable” organization. SERVE, Salavation Army, etc. are worthy charities, in that they try to help all unfortunate people. Mexcians Without Borders and Woodbridge Workers restrict their “help” to those who they exploit as their political base. I give regularly to SERVE, and try to always drop something in the bucket for Salvation Army. MWB is trying to create a base that is dependent on their “help” and from which they can extract loyalty to their “revolutionary” cause.
So Gospel Greg and the Right Reverend Royse only care about what happens to you before birth and after death? It’s that damn cradle to grave time that people are just screwed.
There is just a certain human arrogance that makes most of us sick.
A rich man came to Jesus one day and asked what he should do to get into heaven. Jesus did not say he should invest, spend, and let the benefits trickle down; he said sell what you have, give the money to the poor, and follow me.
I don’t think I need to add anything to this.
Excellent retort, Ivan. Let’s all remember that at the time when Greg Letiecq first trotted out his war on immigrants, his plan of action was to terrorize old people, and Mexicans without Borders was his boogie man. He showed these poor frightened Caucasian folks pictures of men with machine guns in ski masks and created a raft of lies and slander to frighten them into DONATING into HIS coffers for a local hate group known as “Help Save Manassas.”
Mexicans without Borders is NOT classified as a Hate Group. Now that we know that Letiecq is a fraud and a liar, it is time that we reexamine any and all assumptions we made during the run-up to Letiecq’s war. MWB is guilty of nothing other than a poor name choice made YEARS and YEARS BEFORE anyone in this community was targeting undocumented immigrants for political gain.
I don’t know for sure, but perhaps they took their name from “Doctors without Borders” which administers life saving care to people regardless of their nationality. MWB is a community organization that helps people regardless of their nationality. The recognize the humanity of all.
And, yes, they dared to stand up to Gospel Greg Letiecq.
I could accuse many of the posters on this blog of the same.
I don’t think I have seen any proof that Mexicans Without Borders is a revolutionary group. I know what I have read on local blogs and I have found out during the past year or so that much of what i have read is distortion and blarny.
Can you honestly tell me that you have seen anyone from MWB going around with scarfed face and toting a machine gun? I have seen them organized into what they hoped would be a political group. Big difference. The people I saw were polite, well behaved, and normally dressed.
Additionally, I think it is fair to say that most charities restrict their gifts. Serve restricts its charity to local people. Good for them. I like knowing that when I make a contribution, the help will stay right here in the Manassas/Prince William area. By the same token I would like to think if I donated to MWB, that the food/clothing would go to immigrants, rather than to other people.
While I probably wouldn’t sit down and write a check to MWB, I would not hold back food from any organization or any human being.
NGL, This also might be a good time to bring up the fact that no one from MWB, at least to my knowledge, has ties here on the Anti Blog. I realize that was suggested this morning by one of the velveteens.
There sure is a lot of guessing and grasping at straws from over there. Alanna must be the most prolific writer in the Manassas area if you are to believe the black velveteens. Every opinion in the papers is ….according to some….ALANNA.
MH
SERVE also, helps those visitors traveling through the area with needs. Sometimes a car breaks down unexpectedly late at night, and no service station is open until the next morning. The “tourists” can usually get a place to stay overnight and other things they might need.
I have a friend and her townhouse in Gainesville caught on fire in Oct or Nov 2006. She said the day after the fire she most grateful to SERVE. She said the clothes she was wearing were given to her by SERVE and also got a gift card for Walmart to get key essentials, and toiletries. It goes with out saying the helped with other things too.
You can also, pick an angel off a Christmas tree. These kids have very modest requests. The Manassas Mall usually has a tree sponsored by the Salvation Army, and I know of several local churches that do the same.
You can donate bikes to some organizations, and they overhaul the bikes to like new, and give them to kids. I think Fairfax County PD does something similar with unclaimed bikes too.
OMG! I almost forgot The Marines and Toys For Tots. The name says it all.
Of course I do NOT wish hunger and/or homelessness on anyone. However, I can think of lot better place to give to than MSF.
All charities are seeing more and more requesting things each week. I’ve seen several charities on the local news speaking of their increasing needs.
” don’t think I have seen any proof that Mexicans Without Borders is a revolutionary group. I know what I have read on local blogs and I have found out during the past year or so that much of what i have read is distortion and blarny. ”
I have. I have read it on their site. I have seen the photos of them parading with with ararchist groups. Ricardo Juarez, their leader has spoken in revolutionary terms. While I don’t consider them a credible threat to our American way of life, I do see the intent of what they WOULD do, if they had the means to do so. Just because the ‘local blogs” are the only ones taking an interest in the political motivations behind MWB, doesn’t mean that they are exagerating.
Actually, I am going to suggest that we don’t really know much about this organization because all we have done is view it through the eyes of the dark screen and the intent there was to create an enemy for us. There are several people around town I have a hard time looking at because of the image painted by GG. Yes, I was part of the brain washed, kool aide drinking masses for a while.
I think people who have particularly strong soft spots about immigrants might be happy about donating to MWB and its tax deductible sister group. I certainly believe with Mr. Steinbach organizing things, it would go to those in need. Regardless of his politics, I feel he is a decent person.
Another thing to remember, since we are talking about our favorites, is the various animal shelters. Many animals have been abandoned as families move out because of foreclosures and just leaving the area. I can’t even watch that commercial that is on tv. So while I might be happy with serve and an animal rescue group, other people might want go give to immigrants and still others might just want to give to the poor.
NGL makes a good point. Aren’t we aiding and abetting any time we give to charity since I doubt if they ask to see one’s green card before helping out.
BooHoo, quick, set down the kool aide!
I am not sure what I would consider ‘speaking in revolutionary terms.’ Did Ricardo Juarez advocate overthrowing the United States government? I am also going to ask you where you saw this marching? I saw them marching on the day of their protest. They looked no different than any other group out at a protest/rally.
People get worked up and say stuff to rally the troops. I don’t think it is revolutionary.
Political rallies attract all kinds. If you have ever participated in one, you might find yourself in front of the communists for whatever and behind the lipstick lesbians for life. You just never know. I would never evaluate anyone by who they stood next to at a political rally.
Here is footage of the sept. 2007 Civil Rights Rally at the McCoart County Center.
It doesn’t look very revolutionary to me. It looks rather pro-family. People were dressed well and polite–Sunday best for both, I might add.
I realize that MWB has gone other places.
It was Ivan’s point, I just expanded on it. I know that before Gospel Greg needed to scare up donations for his very narrow contituency of older, white Republicans, MWB was mostly doing this kind of charity work. And they raised money to help the family of a man who was murdered by men who told police they “just wanted to kill a Mexican.”
But see all most of you have ever heard about MWB was filtered through a source that has now been discredited many times over (The Gospel Greg Propaganda Channel).
What I am saying is there is a need to consider the source, and remember that everyone who has defied the extremist agenda of Gospel Greg/Corey Stewart has been attacked in false, utterly false, and outrageously false ways.
Thanks NGL. You made my point a lot smoother than I was doing. I don’t feel i know anything about them because literally everything I know has been filtered through a source whose sole intent is to create an enemy.
A friend who reads the blog just sent me the following:
From what I have seen since this whole immigration insanity began, the targets of their these political smear campaigns are our most upstanding long time citizens.
Chief Deane, Marty Nohe, Maureen Caddigan, Hilda Barg, most of the county staff, and the ENTIRE religious community have all be targets of failed witch hunts.
And who does the hunting? People who I never heard of doing anything good for this county, and haven’t been here long enough to understand simple things like Chief Deane is our most revered public servant, and that religion and religious tolerance are a big part of who we are as a community.
So now we are asked to judge a community organization based on whether a bunch of hateful people with a hateful agenda have attacked them or not, and based on whether we trust the word of those who are doing all this attacking.
I say, if they are in the company of people like Chief Deane and our religious leaders, they are in GOOD company.
We can’t begrudge them the fact that they are designed to help out people with similar cultural backgrounds. There are many organizations like that.
It doesn’t need to go through Greg to be obvious. MWB….good Lord. Giving these radicals money is like putting a brand new steering wheel in a junkyard car. Doesn’t fix the problem. Returning to their native land, where they don’t have to live outside the law…now THERE’s an answer. As soon as one sees the name John Steinbach, you know it’s going to be bad.
Oh, and here’s a Bible quote for you. It’s ALL about immigration laws.
1 Peter 2:13 “Submit yourself to every ordinance of man . . . to the king, as supreme; Or unto governors.”
I wouldn’t give to them simply because of their beliefs. The bottom line is they believe the US and Mexico should have an open border. We have borders for a reason and they should be respected. I have said this many times, I agree with the message the Greg is presenting, just not how he is presenting it. His scare tactics are way out of line and I think if he used a different approach he would find that more people would listen. But as far a MWB, I don’t know much about them but I refuse to support any group that supports an open border with our Southern neighbor. I have always heard that fences make great neighbors, we need a large fence to the south.
I am not sure why people are saying that they only get information from blogs. One could go to their web page. I would think that their webpage would speak only in good terms about them but there is one disturbing (to me) line–“The reasons for Zapata remain valid and the reason for our rebelliousness, if after reading his revolutionary plan to convince you of this, call, buscanos, to join Mexicanos Sin Fronteras: MSF”
I am not sure what they mean. Do they mean, “The land belongs to those who work it”, “There are no laws other than the law of the gun”, or “Seek justice from tyrants not with your hat in your hand, but with a rifle in your fist.”
Or does it mean that you should fight injustice with revolution like our own forefathers did?
Before I would donate, I would sure like to know what they mean. And no one’s opinion on here or the other site would answer that issue for me. They would have to say that what they meant and not what one would speculate.
And that is not from a blog but from their own page. (the quotes from Zapata are from the font of all knowledge–Wikipedia.)
When I was little, we would watch Jesus of Nazareth every Christmas. It is such a fine film. I liked this part the best.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bPN83vBG-6E
FormerComemployee, I agree with you. Maybe not for exactly the same reasons, but similar. I don’t believe in open borders. Actually, I am not sure what they believe in. Therefore, I would give food but not money. I would buy a wino a meal but not give a wino money also. (not saying they are winos)
However, I look at what people say about us here and what we believe in. In the first place many of us have different beliefs. We acknowledge them and yet we all remain friends. Imagine that! Probably the one thing that we all have in common is hating the WAY the immigration resolution came down. The hateful rhetoric, the broadbrushing, the lies and the damage done to other people.
I figure if my group was lied about, the same thing might have happened to MWB. I have no reason to think anything said about them is true, after seeing how they are portrayed on the dark side, and seeing the actual people involved.
The people who have caught it worst have been Alanna and Elena, because they came forward without monikers. So why on earth should I believe the dark side. I know better, and that includes the fake websites made up by a clown prince or 2 trying to make Alanna look like a Latin American Revolutionary. Stupid, childish and undeserved.
M-H
Seems like black velvet is proving the point of some of the contributors here. Can any of those people read?
The mischaracterization of what has been said by Ole Auntie Em tells us that she either cannot read or deliberately misrepresents or both. Since Mackie said Liar Liar Pants on fire earlier today, lets all say it again about Auntie Em. Auntie, go see what Uncle Henry wants. You never know when you are in the land of Oz.
Who is that little man behind the curtain making it all happen? What out for those flying monkeys and of course the big blow. Then there is the man who has no heart, The man who has no brains, and the man who has no courage. These characters as well as others will soon be revealed by the coach.
Leave it to a Slowpoke to write a spot on imitation of Gospel Greg, even AFTER several of us pointed out that substituting Gospel Greg’s thoughts for your own is a one way ticket to laughing stock status.
Slowpoke, the fact that you no longer need to refer to Gospel Greg’s blog to regurgitate his thinking only proves that you’ve unknowingly internalized your own indoctrination. It doesn’t say a thing about MWB.
Soon there will be no more Gospel Greg clones. We should appreciate Slowpoke’s humor while we can.
The real test of “biblical’ proportion as I see it is the often said but conveniently ignored “forgive us our tresspasses as we forgive those that tresspass against us”.
Oh yeah. Now that’s the bar.
I believe it was Jesus who said “what you do to the least of these you do to me”. So if one is a Christian then one must be concerned about ANYONE who is in need.
Today celebrates the 60th Anniversary of the signing of the Declaration of Human Rights. Everyone should take the time to read it. The US signed on as well as the whole UN.
Here is the link
http://www.un.org/Overview/rights.html
NGL,
Obviously Slowpoke hadn’t read the thread before he posted. LOL!
Such is the danger of joining a conversation late. But if you make a rule of not saying things already said by Gospel Greg, you’ve gone 99% of the way toward not embarrassing yourself.
Aiding and abetting illegals is also against Federal Law and subject to imprisonment and fine. Don’t quote scripture if you are already lying or breaking the law.