We decided to have an Open Mic Day. Many people here have talked about everything but the thread topic. When that happens, that usually means that you all have something on your mind that you need to talk about. So…here’s your chance. Put it here and let’s try to keep the threads to topic, or semi topic, if at all possible. Let’s roll.

65 Thoughts to “Open Mic Day”

  1. Here is my contribution. A soliloquy of raw arrogance beneath the facade.

    http://media.putfile.com/Big-Daddy-23

  2. Rick Bentley

    Who among us is not willing to admit that our community has become less safe from the rash of illegal immigrants coming in?

    This guy luring a mentally disabled woman into his house and raping her is just the latest in a series of totally preventable incidents.

  3. Slowpoke Rodriguez

    Aww, Rick,

    You’re just being racist! Learn to embrace these poor folks, they’re just raping citizens that Americans won’t rape.

  4. Moon-howler

    Rick, any time you have people who can fade into the woodwork, who lack identification, there are going to be problems. I like knowing who my neighbors are. It just gives the neighborhood a sense of stability.

    So no one is saying that there aren’t problems, especially with people who lack attachments to communities. However, if you only focus on immigrants you are ignoring a lot of crime in our community. The drive by shooting, the car jacking, the kiddie porno case and the kiddie diddling band teacher were NON-immigrants, just to name a few cases that come to mind at this hour.

    I don’t know the answer to your question. Would you think something was wrong if you picked up the paper and immigrants were never listed as the perps? I would like it if these things did not happen at all. They would all be 100% preventable if people would just live by the golden rule. Think that will happen?

  5. Cindy B

    The only reported crime in my neighborhood (Weems, City of Manassas) in the last 2 years were a rash of burglaries by a white 18-year-old who then murdered an immigrant, and is now spending 62 years in prison, and the murder of another immigrant cab driver which is still unsolved.

    More than half of the 30+ vacant homes from this past summer in my neighborhood are now occupied, though there are still 3 vacant on my block. A family with young children that hadn’t had heat in three years in my neighborhood now has a new unit thanks to Habitat’s A Brush With Kindness and local companies like ADCO.

    Work with Habitat volunteers on projects going on now in Prince William County, Manassas and Manassas Park by calling 703-369-6708.

    The City of Manassas is bringing 1,000 out-of-town volunteers to do repair/clean up/volunteer work in 2009, some arriving as early as March. They want to match those volunteers with local ones. Give Kisha Wilson-Sogunro, the City’s Neighborhood Services Coordinator a call at 703-257-8240. Some projects will be done in the county, so call Pat Reilly at 703-792-7018 for those.

    Make a new year’s resolution to take action to make our neighborhoods better.

  6. Opinion

    Crime is a numbers game. I’m always surprised that people seize upon one incidence of anything and attempt to paint it as typical of some group or population. That’s a propaganda technique used to influence people who don’t realize that one is not a sample. There’s an education correlation here… the lower the education, the more likely one is to succumb to this fallacious argument. (Education really is the ultimate weapon against discrimination.)

    I haven’t seen any statistics indicating that crime (i.e., conviction of undocumented aliens for crimes) among undocumented aliens is any worse (i.e, more criminals) than crime among the general population. Does anyone have any credible numbers?

  7. Mando

    “They would all be 100% preventable if people would just live by the golden rule. Think that will happen?”

    Laws south of the border regarding rape and age of consent are drachonian. Up until 2005, there were no legal ramifications for raping your wife in Mexico.

    There is a cultural difference in US and Central American views on sex and treatment of women. The golden rule does not translate.

  8. Rick Bentley

    “They would all be 100% preventable if people would just live by the golden rule. Think that will happen?”

    No. So we need laws. And enforcement of them.

  9. Moon-howler

    Mando, 20 years ago raping your wife in the United States wasn’t a crime in some states. 20 years isn’t a real significant difference when you think about it.

    The Golden Rule has been part of our Judeo-Christian background for thousands of years. We are still working on it as a work in progress.

    Different countries and different states have different laws. Different cultures and regions within states and countries have different mores.

    On the other hand, if you mess with someone’s daughter, you might end up without a face. Sweeping generalizations don’t seem to apply here.

  10. Chris

    Channel 5 was live from a Habitat for Humanity project in Woodbridge this morning. This is good work being done in our community.

    Cindy,
    Great job yesterday!!

  11. Moon-howler

    Rick, I am all for laws and enforcement of them. I would like to see laws against sex offenders toughen up.

    Mando, I wasn’t implying that you were doing sweeping generalizations. Just wanted to clear that up.

  12. Rick Bentley

    “I haven’t seen any statistics indicating that crime (i.e., conviction of undocumented aliens for crimes) among undocumented aliens is any worse (i.e, more criminals) than crime among the general population. Does anyone have any credible numbers?”

    Anecdotally I read a couple of years ago that reported crime rates were actually lower among illegal immigrants, but their kids were 5 times more likely to commit crimes or be incarcerated. Something like that. There’s a dramatic story to be told there, I’ll try to look that info up again. Maybe someone else here has good info.

    That’s doesn’t address the whole problem. Most illegal immigrants aren’t MS-13 members who kill people or rape kids, then skeddadle across the border, then come back in at their lesisure. But some are. The porous borders and the tolerance for illegal immigration and movement facilitate the lawlessness that does exist.

  13. Rick Bentley

    Okay, here’s some data albeit at least a couiple of years old :

    http://www.azstarnet.com/news/171109

    The incarceration rate of U.S.- born men 18 to 39 years old in 2000 was 3.5 percent — five times higher than the incarceration rate of their immigrant counterparts, the study found.
    …..
    foreign-born Mexican men had an incarceration rate of 0.7 percent in 2000, more than eight times lower than the 5.9 percent rate of U.S.-born males of Mexican descent.
    The study concludes that the children and grandchildren of many immigrants become subject to economic and social forces, such as higher rates of family disintegration and drug and alcohol addiction, that increase the likelihood of criminal behavior.

  14. Mando

    M-H – prior to the 2005 rulling, raping your wife was considered an “undue exercise of a right” by the Mexican Supreme Court. There IS a cultural difference between the US and Mexico when it comes to how women are treated and it correlates to what we’re seeing in PWC as far as the rapes that have been reported in the past year.

    A good article about this culture:

    http://www.pulitzer.org/archives/6709

    “Whatever problems women face in the cities and towns, they are compounded in small villages where old customs are still the only true law. Ten million Mexicans are indigenous, as are most of the people in these highlands of the Sierra Madre. In Mexico’s march toward modernity, there is great tension here between protecting women from violence and honoring indigenous customs.

    In many of the thousands of indigenous communities, by longstanding custom, women are essentially servants of their fathers, brothers and husbands. In many villages around Reyeshogpan, women are forbidden to go out after dusk without their husband or their husband’s permission. After 7 p.m., streets in village after village are populated by men only, many of them drunk. Alcoholism is another problem that contributes to violence against women.

    Town elders who act as judges in local criminal matters are invariably men. In one village in Guerrero state, elders were recently asked how they punish rape. The six men looked confused, as if they did not know what the term meant. When it was explained to them, they all laughed and said it sounded more like a courting ritual than a crime.

    When they stopped laughing, they said a rapist would probably get a few hours in the local jail, or he might have to pay the victim’s family a $10 or $20 fine, but that all would be forgotten if he and the victim got married.”

  15. This is a tragedy.

    But would it have gotten on 20/20 if the victim had been a poor black high school dropout?

    No. And what does that say about our society?

    Part1
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=euhN57b2Ayg

    Part2
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sBgY8puuDSE

  16. Mando

    “But would it have gotten on 20/20 if the victim had been a poor black high school dropout?”

    It’s not on 20/20 as is.

  17. Mando,

    Don’t be a party pooper.

  18. Moon-howler

    Mando, what an awful article. It certainly provides some insight into why Mexican parents are willing to risk so much to bring their families to the United States. I had no idea that the laws there were still so backwards. I should have known. Actually, I am rather appalled at the way women are treated in much of Central and South America.

    Hopefully those who have those kinds of ideas who are here will find out that it is not tolerated by our legal system. I also know some families who have taken matters into their own hands, circumventing the police. That makes more sense to me now.

  19. Rick Bentley

    “I had no idea that the laws there were still so backwards.” … “Hopefully those who have those kinds of ideas who are here will find out that it is not tolerated by our legal system.”

    If you could speak Spanish, you’d probably hear a lot of things that would surprise you.

  20. Rick Bentley

    “Women’s groups say if the penalties were harsher, statutory rape cases would not be so common.”

    Imagine that. Whether an individual expects harsh punishment or not can actually affect behavior!

    As opposed to expecting the next in the cycle of Amnestys every 20 years.

  21. Moon-howler

    Rick, perhaps I do. I just might hang out where such things are discussed.

  22. Elena

    Rick,
    I am wondering, are you purposefully being obtuse? You well know that Chief Deane, in his report to the Board, shared that crime had been DECREASING since 2004. When this county was supposedly facing this “criminal illegal alien invasion”, crime, overall was decreasing. Now, your argument, to pick out only the crimes committed by illegal aliens, would give credibility to those neo-nazi’s who are reporting that the Jewish conspiracy, to run the wealth of the world has backfired and dragged the world into a near depression. Fed Chairmans are Jewish, heads of major banks are Jewish, the biggest swindling scandal….perpetrated by a Jewish man, Madoff. My point “Rick”, is that you can’t generalize a few bad apples to suggest that they represent the majority. That is an extremely dangerous road to travel.

  23. Marie

    Thank you Cindy B and Elena. You said everything I was thinking of saying but better!

  24. Rick Bentley

    “You well know that Chief Deane, in his report to the Board, shared that crime had been DECREASING since 2004.”

    I take all statistics with a grain of salt … but I was not trying to “generalize a few bad apples to suggest that they represent the majority.”.

    Most illegal aliens aren’t criminals. But the ones that are enjoy an extra layer of protection because of the systems that have evolved to protect the majority. And that extra layer of protection makes some of us sick. As does the way the press is so loath to report when a perpetrator is an illegal alien. Equal treatment is actually what I’m after here.

  25. Elena

    Rick,
    I appreicate you clarifying that you don’t believe “most illegal aliens are criminals.”

  26. Moon-howler

    Rick, the press may or may not know who is an illegal alien.

    I don’t think that asking for equal treatment is unreasonable at all. What do you feel would give you equal treatment?

  27. Rick Bentley

    “What do you feel would give you equal treatment?”

    Good question!

    1. Prosecution, including fines and deprtation, of illegal immigrants whenever discovered, including at traffic stops, except possibly when they are victims of a crime and reporting it. Active efforts by police to discover and punish lawbreakers – no more debate about whether law enforcement is bigotry.

    2. Consistent treatment of using fraudulent identification as, well, fraud for financial gain

    3. Stop providing most government services with a Spanish option, unless those services are provided in a host of other languages.

    4. Ensure that zoning inspections cannot be bypassed by waving false ID and claiming family ties where they don’t exist – only use real IDs. I don’t know that this is a big problem but I’m sure it is a problem in some cases.

    5. This one relates more towartds America’s issues with race than with illegal immigrants, but – stop using different rules for people based on race when it comes to things like obtaining home loans – stop advocacy programs that encourage janitors to buy half-million dollar townhouses depending on ethnicity.

    6. Set up drunk driving checkpoints from time to time, to cut down on drunk driving and to save lives – even if it means some illegal aliens will be found. When found, take them into custody.

    7. If a perpetrator of a serious crime is at large, provide a physical description – even if he is Hispanic.

    Those would be an excellent start and I would stop complaining so much about “Two Americas, two sets of rules”.

  28. Moon-howler

    Actually Rick, any of those statements 1-7 are good discussion points. Let’s work backwards. I think that #7 is critical. Who cares. If someone is being sought, give us all information. Do you know of cases where this is not being done? (not necessarily hispanic but any race?)

  29. I would add:

    8. Investigate the background of all white families. If any have been found to have ancestors who broke immigration law, deport all their descendants to the South Pole.

    9. In order to keep the rabid white nativists in check, extend to Latinos and other people of color the right to carry concealed weapons without a permit.

  30. Moon-howler

    Moving right along….

    Rick, why do you think drunk driver check points aren’t set up? How is that currently handled? If a person has no license what happens in Prince William County? I have no idea.

  31. Rick Bentley

    “Do you know of cases where this is not being done? (not necessarily hispanic but any race?)”

    Yes. I’ll point it out next time I notice it. Keep your eyes open as well. Anytime a suspect is at large who you would think police would want to provide physical description of – and name. Don’t we have a person here who works at a paper? Perhaps they could describe their paper’s policy.

    “Rick, why do you think drunk driver check points aren’t set up? How is that currently handled? If a person has no license what happens in Prince William County? I have no idea.”

    Seems to me the police don’t do them because – so many drivers don’t even speak English, and of those some number of them are driving without liscences. It’s all well and good to throw a US citizen in jail for drunk driving, but you catch illegal aliens in your nets and its a big hassle. Plus after you let them loose if they do it again and kill someone, you look bad for letting them go. I’m sure Chief Deane is less than not at all interested in setting up any drunk driving checkpoints, they might “scare the undocumented population and make them less likely to report crimes”.

  32. Moon-howler

    No one here works for the paper. (or to my knowledge. I don’t know everyone who posts here personally–) Also no one knows why that information googled as it did. It was bizarre. Good reason not to trust google.

    I think we should always have as much description on a person as possible. No argument on that one. The only think I have noticed is many young people being pulled over but there might be a reason for that. I don’t ever recall there being that many sobriety check points around here. I know that the local police to tend to cruise the bars later in the evening. Maybe that takes the place of check points.

    And do keep us posted on that issue. I do think everyone ought to have to play by the same rules.

    I do not mind government papers being in other languages if the languages supports a significant part of the population. I do not think it should be mandatory though. If it helps government get what it wants, it is just the smart thing to do. Once it is mandatory, you run in to all sorts of problems with dialects and 2 people in the population speaking some strange language no one has ever heard of.

  33. Moon-howler

    #5 No argument here on that either. I don’t think a person’s race should have one darn thing to do with home ownership. Having the ability to pay for the home should be the one qualifier. I also do not think a person’s race should prevent them from owning a home. I think that what you described is an example of the pendulum swinging too far the other way, to compensate for past wrongs. I am not a huge advocate of past wrongs being over-corrected either. Just stop doing bad things and everything will right itself. We dont have to bend over backwards.

    What happens when you bend over backwards for people? They kick you in the ass. That is one of life’s axioms.

  34. Rick Bentley

    “I think that what you described is an example of the pendulum swinging too far the other way, to compensate for past wrongs.”

    Yeah, agreed.

  35. Lucky Duck

    #1 – In Prince William County, under the present policy, if an illegal immigrant is discovered on a traffic stop, they are taken into custody and brought before a Magistrate for a potential bond on the traffic charge. The Magistrate is informed of the immigration status and applies a bond. If that person is held, they are transferred to the Adult Detention Center (ADC) where the 287(G) program is applied and ICE is notified. If they are released on a bond (highly unlikely under the present system) ICE is notified by the Department of the location of the subject.

    #2 – If someone presents false ID to the police, they are charged with that additional criminal act. If someone is a victim of ID fraud, regardless of the suspect’s or victim’s immigration status, that case is investigated and prosecuted.

    #4 – No Zoning inspector willingly accepts a false ID. How exactly do you prove, on someone’s doorstep, that they are not related? I have several sisters that have different married names, none of them carry ID that contain their madien names. Are we still related? Of course, but how do you prove or disprove that? So how does an Inspector prove right there that people are not related?

    #6 – DWI checkpoints are regularly conducted. Call the Police Information Office and they will tell you conducted one the weekend after Thanksgiving and are planning one around New Year’s.

    #7 – While you’re at it, ask the Information Officer if they ever hold back a description or part of a description of a suspect when they are looking for someone. They’ll tell you that is irresponsible to the public’s safety and not done locally. As for the suspect’s immigration status, it is released if they are illegal or undocumented. What the media does with that information is beyond the agency’s control.

  36. Moon-howler

    Thank you Lucky Duck, for setting the record straight. I guess I have been missing the check points. Thank goodness. Things like that make me nervous even if I haven’t had a drink in 6 months.

    Rick, it sounds to me like certain blogs have been disseminating misinformation. Which of the above #’s, if any, do you find unacceptable?

  37. Rick Bentley

    #1 is a good deal and a big thank you to Greg and HSM for helping to make this happen.

    #2 is a laugh. There are people working in the US by the millions on fake IDs and fake ID mills churning out product. The ACLU and the right wing collude to let this status quo stay in place.

    #4 from what Lucky Duck writes perhaps they’ll admit that the system is a joke and wide open for misuse.

    I’d like to know more about #6.

    I think #7 is a recent policy change in PWC, not implemented in neighboring counties?

  38. 1. There is no way to ‘discover’ that someone is an illegal immigrant without profiling. What criteria beyond profiling does one use to begin an ‘investigation’? Not having a license doesn’t mean anything as we all know if you’re blond and blue-eyed and left your license at home, an ‘investigation’ would not be started.

    2. Another example of how the system is set up to exploit working class immigrants. Chew em up and spit em out. And police officers are happy to be compliant cogs in the wheel, as long as they get that paycheck.

    6. DWI checkpoints accomplish nothing and are unconstitutional. They are detentions absent reasonable suspicion. The supreme court created a loophole that did not exist in when they allowed them to happen. But that isn’t a surprise to anyone who has researched the supreme court’s decisions over the years. The supreme court is no friend of the constitution. Police officers who engage in DWI checkpoints are violating their oath to the Constitution. ‘Im just following orders’ is their common excuse. We all know what that’s worth.

  39. Lucky Duck

    #1…if you drive, its a privilege, not a right. So you must possess a license. If you left it at home, than your license status is easily verified instantly via computer. If someone commits a traffic violation, they get stopped. No profiling necessary. If you don’t have a driver’s license, whether you are legal or not in immigration status, you’re getting a ride to the Magistrate’s office. Its been that way for over 60 years in Virginia.

    #2…People who use false ID or worse, someone else’s ID are wrong, no justification for causing some innocent person trouble for your actions.

    #6…regardless of what anyone else thinks, you can’t cherry pick what Supreme Court decisions you like and those you don’t. You live here, you abide by them or you change the court through your representative’s votes. DWI checks have been upheld time and again by all the levels of our court systems. Driving is NOT a constitutional nor State right.

  40. michael

    Lucky Duck, good posts 1-7, also exceptionally good posts Rick 1-7 I think it clarifies what so many people are angry about as a decline in the “ethics” and “increase in poverty” of their neighborhood..

    Lucky Duck, my objection to # 4 is not about whether or not related people stay in the same house, but whether the house is overcrowded for its floor space, and whether its been converted to an apartment house. Setting a new maximum number of PEOPLE per house based on floor space (4 people per 1500 sq foot, 6 people per 2500 sq ft) and prohibiting two kitchens, or more than 4 bedrooms, and 2/3 bathrooms based on number of bedrooms, and no basement bedrooms would solve the real problem without any reference to family relationship. The real problem to neighbors is the overcrowded home, the extra cars parked in the street (max of 3 per family) and NO business vehicles. Then there is the problem of absentee landlords, renting out entirely to non-relatives, but keeping business vehicles and business property on the premises. Thee landscape (a value of neighbors homes) can be controlled by enforceable community architectural standards and by HOA covenants.

    The only thing other than OVERCROWDING and RENTAL PROPERTY as Single-family home to more than one family (again can be controlled by number of ADULTS per sq foot, like 2 ADULTS per 1500 sq feet) that I object to is HARBORING ILLEGAL ALIENS, which is a FEDERAL CRIME. This can be enforced by simply requiring the zoning inspector to inspect Driver’s licenses that DECLARE THE STATUS of people allowed to be in the US or Provide VALID I-99 and Passport be showed to the zoning inspector if a DMV license with Citizenship or green card status cannot be presented to the inspector.

    The same should be required at all traffic stops, then there is no question of “legal” status, and the officers do not have to use judgement (which is highly inconsistent). That solves Rick’s problem.

  41. michael

    In terms of langiuage requirements, I vote one common language for all, a universal language spoken by all and NO other language prints. That encourages everyone from ALL ethnicities to rapidly learn to communicate or bring a personal interpreter.
    If you won’t print all 1000+ different languages in the world, then you insult everyone who is not able to understand the “2nd” language you pick, and insult and aggravate everyone who speaks a nation’s primary language.
    Printing multiple languages is political correctness of the worst kind, and also dangerous, I have a hard time now finding the “english” location of “safety clauses”. If you are Ethiopian, then you can’t find anything in your language, why discrimminate against other Non-printed cultures? and why do people really read a “second language” if you won’t accept thousands of second languages, if not simply for ethnic meanness and arrogance?

  42. Rick Bentley

    “This can be enforced by simply requiring the zoning inspector to inspect Driver’s licenses that DECLARE THE STATUS of people allowed to be in the US or Provide VALID I-99 and Passport be showed to the zoning inspector if a DMV license with Citizenship or green card status cannot be presented to the inspector.”

    That would solve so much … of course the elites who govern us will not let that happen.

  43. michael

    People are not angry at “immigrants”, they are angry at “illegal” immigrants and the protection they have been given from prosecution and enforcement of the law.

    THAT REALLY PISSES PEOPLE OFF IN A LAWFUL DEMOCRACY.

  44. michael

    Mackie 8:24 since no-one else is going to call you on it I will.

    Stop being such a disgusting racist. You lower the effectiveness of the good things you say, and show people an ugly side of you they cannot sympathize with.

    If you are angry, get over it, you’ll feel better. If you want to blame my grandfather blame him (but he was not a racist either), but you can’t blame me, I follow modern law and try hard to treat everyone with the same respect regardless of race, religion, gender or ethnic group. It’s mean, lawless people that I get upset with and hold accountable for their actions harming others while refusing to follow a common standard of law.

    You would do well to attempt to do the same.

  45. Red Dawn

    LOL! Is the snow fall in Vegas and Malibu Cali., Global warming/cooling, la Nina, el nino or Biblical?

  46. Censored bybvbl

    Setting a new maximum number of PEOPLE per house based on floor space (4 people per 1500 sq foot, 6 people per 2500 sq ft) and prohibiting two kitchens, or more than 4 bedrooms, and 2/3 bathrooms based on number of bedrooms, and no basement bedrooms would solve the real problem without any reference to family relationship. The real problem to neighbors is the overcrowded home, the extra cars parked in the street (max of 3 per family) and NO business vehicles.

    Michael, while I agree that your suggestion would eliminate the problem of “family relationships”, it presents problems of its own. The space you suggested sounds spacious. I’d argue that more people could live in that space. I’d also agrue that if I had the money and wanted to build a five or six bedroom home and I would violate no zoning or building code, I should have that right. If I have ten children, can afford them, and want to house them in a five bedroom house, I should be able to. You can see why it’s difficult to agree -statewide – on the standards. Personally, I have no problem with two kitchens in a single family dwelling. If I have a kitchen on the main floor and a rec room downstairs near a swimming pool, I might want a second kitchen for convenience. The code problem arises when those two kitchens are in separate dwelling units within a single house. The problem with bedrooms in basements is lack of emergency egress not that they are bedrooms. These are just a few of the problems that will arise in changing the code and the changes will have to be agreed upon and adopted.

    Some businesses can operate in a family dwelling with no impact on the neighborhood. Many of the commercial vehicles that cause neighborhood complaints are actually compliant as long as they don’t have permanent signs on them. Is a navy colored family van less objectionable than a white commercial van that has no sign or ladders on it? it looks like the same type of vehicle from the outside except for the color.

  47. 1. Driving is not a privilege. Everyone has the right to travel as they see fit. They can use a bike, skateboard, car, etc. to increase their rate of movement. If it’s not a privilege to ride a bike, neither is it to drive a car. Authoritarian types try to trick us into believing that driving is a privilege so that they can exercise control over us. But at the end of the day, they have no moral or philosophical underpinning that driving is a privilege that we don’t deserve unless they say so.
    If you’re white and you tell the officer you left your license at home, he’ll give you a citation and then let you go. If you’re of color and speak with an accent, you’re going downtown.
    Cops selectively enforce traffic laws against people of color. If you’re a person of color who’s been pulled over for going 5 MPH over the speed limit, you were pulled over strictly because of your race. White people don’t get pulled over for going 5 MPH over the speed limit. It usually takes about 15-20 MPH over the speed limit for them to be pulled over. This video is stark proof:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jcanTRJjDAI

    2. NOBODY should have to carry around ANY id. But Authoritarians like to talk about IDs as if they were sacred relics, because it’s another tool they use to control us.

    6. If you’re going to put on a uniform, you’re duty bound to honor your Oath. If you’ll sacrifice your principles, under the ‘color of the law’ for the sake of your pension, you’re a disgrace and a coward.

  48. Moon-howler

    I still defy the average person to say who is legal and who isn’t. I am not speaking of law enforcement, I am speaking of John Q Citizen. Obviously HMS’s assessment of how to is incorrect since it has been verified that the people who were illegal were Puerto Ricans who are born citizens.

    Rick, I don’t see how you can give HSM credit for #1. Listening for more details here.

  49. Red Dawn

    Censored,
    I agree. This has been more of a argument of designated neighborhoods vs. property rights issue.

    HOA vs non.

    I have lived in both. FREEDOM is precious. I could go on about complaints that annoyed me or safety concerns but have learned (like the other thread about Adam Walsh that has sprung conversation about child molestation and a local sheriff involved in a child porn sting) that no matter where you live, who you know,WE are ALL vulnerable.

  50. Red Dawn

    Mackie,

    “Driving is not a privilege. Everyone has the right to travel as they see fit.”

    LOL! Not to long ago, I asked the question of if driving is a privilege, then why the hell are we being taxed to pay for roads?

    Anyway,

    “Cops selectively enforce traffic laws against people of color. If you’re a person of color who’s been pulled over for going 5 MPH over the speed limit, you were pulled over strictly because of your race.”

    Explain the RADAR gun, please? 😉

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