What is all the stir over in the City of Manassas? Do I hear the pitter patter of deja vus? What goes there? It seems that 9500 Liberty is all aglow with new construction, according to Chris@4:47 PM:
**off topic**
Looks like there’s yet another “liberty wall” being built. I can’t wait to see what the wall will read this time. Each sign has gotten progressively more offensive. Here we go again.…. I have the photographic evidence to prove my post.
Chris got the first scoop. She reported that the folks over at 9500 were socializing, painting and had completed construction. The verbiage is not finished quite yet. Everyone seemed to be having a good time and enjoying the sunny day after the brutal cold of the past couple of weeks.
Chris was kind enough to provide pictures. Others were kind enough to replay her broadcast.
(You know who you are)
We will sit back and watch the City handle yet another zoning issue. Or maybe they will just ignore the whole thing.
The sign reads..
PRESIDENT OBAMA ELIMINATE THE BORDERS THAT DIVIDE & CONQUER PEOPLE OF COLOR. STOP DEPORTATIONS. STOP 287G IN PWC & MANASSAS CITY.
SUPPORT UNITED FAMILIES & EDUCATION FOR ALL.
This is great. I hope they put up a message that unabashedly speaks the truth. If white liberals are offended by the sign, then it’s a pretty good bet that the message was crafted with an eye towards bearing honest witness as opposed to begging for acceptance from whites.
One needs to defend not just one’s life, but also one’s self respect, one’s intelligence, one’s ancient desire to connect with the truth. The truth gives you strength.
Like this truth:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2hVvMfgvocE&feature=channel_page
Any chance they actually got permission this time?
Mackie,
I hate to tell you but I know several legal immigrants(Latino & European) that were offended by the signs, and yes some blacks too. Geesh..
Posting As Pinko,
Doubtful.
Chris,
They are house negros. White people love them…as long as they know their place.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=znQe9nUKzvQ
Malcolm X – Field Negro vs House Negro
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8zUIjP4KWok&NR=1
Mackie, beyond using a really offensive term, you actually rob people of their agency. You patronize the very same people you claim to support. Apparently the only non-white people who have legitimate opinions have to agree with you? Was there an election we haven’t heard about that elected you omnipotent spokesperson?
Plus you never allow anyone any gray areas. There may be people who are sympathetic with aspects of the sign, some of its arguments, but still see it as an eyesore in their neighborhood. There may be a whole spectrum of disagreement. A little nuance perhaps?
Mackie, you have racist remarks all over the blog today. They are unacceptable by most people’s standards.
Rude speech is rude regardless of who says it. You are being rude.
Mackie,
I don’t get you. I am considered a white liberal, yet I have been very active trying to stem hatred in PWC, who exactly IS on “your” side? Seriously, I think someone “hijacked” the original Mackie and replaced him/her with your generalized prejudice about white people. I use to think your posts were thought provoking, now I just think they simply….well, trite.
And Mackie, there’s an irony in your invoking Malcolm X since he was far more racially progressive than you are. After he made the haj and saw Muslims of all colors in Mecca, including blonde blue-eyed ones, he made statements that are totally antithetical to what you preach. You dishonor the man by enlisting him. He grew in his attitudes.
Mackie,
I’ve made it a practice to NOT watch your youtubes. So, thanks, but no thanks.
MH,
He makes racist remarks EVERY DAY! Pointless.
Leila,
You are exactly right the sign is an eyesore no matter what the words read. I believe in the First Amendment, and therefore Mackie and Senor Fernandez are free to say what they wish. Their thoughts only reflect upon themselves.
Well said, Chris. I think you are right.
Where is Gainesville tonight? That moon is huge….The crescent is creeping in the direction of the horizon. I need him to tell us why it is so large. It is ‘New moon in the arms of the old moon’ or however it goes.
Just a thought on the sign … fernandez could paint his message on a sheet and then hang the sheet between two trees. He would not need a building permit, he would get his message out and he would quiet some of his “rule of law” detractors.
Not this talk again! Didn’t we just elect the first minority president, and now we have to bring up the fact that yes there may still be a few truly racist groups out there, as there is on the other side as well. And to top this off, our old favorite topic of the billboard in Manassas is making a comeback! This is ridiculous. In this supposedly new atmosphere of ‘coming together’ this a$$hole is at it again! I guess I mellowed a little too quickly. Never turn your back on some people.
He told us he would be back. I don’t know why he wants to be an irritant. I guess we might find out. yawn!!
The only thing I want to see on the new billboard is an apology from Fernandez for his past harassment of the community. Perhaps I shouldn’t blame Fernandez for the new construction. Maybe Eric’s ‘traveling salvation show’ is in town, and needs some new material for his videos. I haven’t heard about him lately, but I’m sure this will bring him running. Or perhaps this will be a listing of all the homes left vacant by illegals over the past two years. That would require a large sign indeed!
SecondAlamo,
Apology? lol
My guess it’ll be the same old sh!t. I wonder if they worked through the night. They had generators running yesterday. This sign is much larger than the other one, and looks like half of a roof top.
First Amendment. Free speech. Fourth Amendment, Private property. If you’re offended, that’s the price you pay for living in a free society. Count yourself lucky that you live in such a country and enjoy!
I just walked by the wall. There is no writing on it as of now. It is as long as the previous one but only about half as high. It does appear to be made of roofing trusses so it sits on an angle (about 45 degrees to the ground). When I got there, there were two city employees taking measurements and pictures. I am pretty sure one of them was from the zoning dept. While they were doing their thing, Councilman John Way drove up and took some pictures. Finally an unmarked police cruiser stopped for a look. I was too far away to get a good look, but I would bet it was Chief Skinner or some other high ranking police official. Things will be happening at a faster pace this time IMHO.
Opinion, while I agree with your support of a free society, there are laws and rules that we, as a people, have agreed upon to follow in society. In this case, there are zoning issues that everyone else has to follow. So lets see if Mr. Fernandez has filed for the proper permits this time.
Good old resident racist Mackie strikes again. Just when I thought he couldn’t get worse here he goes again. Maybe Mackie was the one distributing the KKK fliers.
Ivan, thanks for the update. Good one! Very observant.
SA, I don’t think Brother Eric’s Traveling Salvation Show, as you call it, caused the wall situation. It was already there. Eric and Annabel highlighted (or low-lighted, depending on one’s perspective) what was going on in our community. Awareness. They captured the sentiments of the community, both good and bad. I thank them for doing it. It is all too easy to just brush things off if they don’t affect us. I don’t live in the City so easy for me to ignore.
More on SA’s reference to the Traveling Salvation Show: 2 giants in music- Neil Diamond and Johnny Cash. Neil Diamond is still going strong. Much older than in this video. I have a friend who goes every chance she gets. He still gives a full 2 hour concert, few breaks and doesn’t charge megabucks.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zCgeWUKcumA&feature=related
Hi Moon, I think that Eric and Annabel exploited what was going on in the community for their own gain. I don’t thank them for doing it because I don’t think they did it for “us” (regardless if you agree or disagree with their views), they did it to get a little more pub for their own reasons at our expense. I could be wrong but that’s how I feel about them. I would have to agree with SA, the topic isn’t as hot as it was a little while ago and surprise surprise, you don’t hear much from them anymore. Coincidence? I think not.
However, now that a new “message” appears to be going up maybe they will bless us again by hiding in bushes or behind dumpsters trying to get some vid of something going on.
Now Hello, did you see them hiding in the bushes? I believe Eric addressed that. He surely didn’t think he was being slick or secretive, just unobtrusive.
And you are entitled to your own opinion of course. I am curious as to what they gained from the experience for themselves? I feel the county gained more from their presence than they gained from the county. Film footage of what was going on around here was pretty undeniable. Before Brother Love or Eric Baby came to the forefront, we got to rely on the dark screen for our information. Even you will surely agree that the filter on dark screen news is rather skewed.
I wouldn’t bet the bank that they haven’t been around. I talk with them frequently as do Alanna and Elena and several other blogsters. There simply hasn’t been any Prince William action to film. Let’s not stir up any. No news is good news and all that.
Fernandez probably won’t be able to break the law with impunity, after all he is a legal resident. Were he an illegal alien he would be outside everyone’s jurisdiction and could do what he wanted until Amnesty comes about.
Anyway he’s a walking advertisement for the ingratitude and sense of entitlement that many on his side feel, and I’m glad he’s putting something up to codify it again. The illegal aliens themselves make a mockery of our local governments, I’m glad he puts up a poster for them.
Byler and Park are not skilled documentarians, and their bias is quite evident. It did amuse me to no end that Byler’s wikipedia entry contained this blurb in it regarding his “Current Activities” for a while :
“Most recently, Byler spent the better part of a day typing all of this stuff about himself into Wikipedia.”
The only thing a new sign will do is further anger the community, turn even more people off to it’s cause and provide Eric and Annabel another reason to dust off their video cameras.
Hi Moon, touché, I didn’t personally see them hiding in the bushes but I do remember seeing pics of Eric on the other site hiding behind some sort of telephone pole or something while getting video at a day labor site.
Veteran, I think Mr. F. could indeed have skirted the building code issue by using the sheet-between-two-trees method of delivery. However, there is still an issue of “signage” which is zoning’s concern. Also, now that a large quantity of wood has been nailed together, he can’t escape scruntiny from the building code. I actually would have prefered him to use your method since it would be interesting to see which – freedom of speech or the zoning ordinance – would win.
Rick, who died and nominated you to replace Roger Ebert?
I sure didn’t see that ‘most recently’ remark either. YOUR bias is quite evident.
Hello, I do not disagree that a new sign will probably piss off people in Manassas and the general Manassas area. I think Mr. F is politically damaging to his own cause. People have approached him with this concept and he stubbornly clings to his own ideas.
I wouldn’t count on Annabel and Eric dusting off much of anything. It was my understanding that their film is over. THE END Finis
Now is a new story playing out? I don’t know. I would just let Mr. F and the City sort it all out. Mr. F apparently cannot stand that things have calmed down.
Roving reporter is on the phone and suggests that perhaps Mr. F and crew are positioning the new wall so it can be seen from a satellite if one types in 9500 Liberty Street on google earth. This new sign is so slanted it will be difficult to read the message (which is not up yet) The pitch helps blur the message that has yet to be written. New pictures are on the way.
Note: Comment posted by Rick Bentley at 12:25 PM removed because of vulgarity and libelous content.
But Google Earth doesn’t broadcast real time satellite imagery! The pictures are taken sometime back, and in some cases quite a bit back (at least for where I live now – I’d estimate they are about 2 years old at least). Then again, I don’t think Mr. F. is the brightest guy on the planet…. Let him keep thinking that people are going to see his silly sign in real time from space… I also think the lettering would have to be really huge for it to be readable at the resolution those pictures are taken.
I didn’t get the impression Moon-howler indicated “real time imagery”. Not the brightest guy, agreed.
I thought I was seeing things while enjoying iceskating in the sun with the grandkids yesterday. Does this individual really think anybody cares what he’s got to say or that it will have any kind of impact on our governing bodies. I hope the City takes immediate action regarding this property.
“vulgarity” yes, though comical
“and libelous content” not at all, satire is protected free speech
but hey it’s your board, your call.
For the record though I did make that same joke on this board at length once before (Byler and Park using their video equipment to film Spanish-language pornography) and there was no outcry. To me the joke is largely about the amateur quality of their videos.
Then I could have continued the joke by claiming that Fernandez’ latest sign is some kind of advertising gimmick for a new porn website … maybe it would have been funny.
I just drove by the wall. Whatever message Mr. F. has for us, it is being painted on right now. I just saw the first few letters so we will have to wait awhile for the complete text. It should be noted that across the street from the wall is the City water tower. On top of that tower is a web-cam. The images it shoots is shown on the Historic Manassas web site(www.visitmanassas.com). It would appear that it is his intention to broadcast his message to anyone out there you looks up this website.
Woops, sorry, that’s http://www.visitmanassas.org
The editor at InsideNOVA is guessing that the sign avoids the “footer” problem and that the message will be addressed to Obama in regard to eliminating borders and that the sign’s message is meant to exist for two months. Don’t know that this will take care of any wind resistance issues the code might address.
This issue is so amusing, because it’s such a perfect mini-version of the larger problem. He’s breaking the law, in bad faith. But our ineffectual, elitist, cowed politicians don’t much care, so he does it with impunity.
I think an ancient desire to connect with the truth can lie dormant inside each and every one of us. To bear honest witness. To reveal the light as the light has been revealed to you. I think this is what is motivating Mr. Fernandez. On the scales he is using, that which is practical weighs next to nothing. The voices he’s listening to passed away a long time ago.
I still say the best response back is for someone to put up some aggressive anti-illegal immigration sign somewhere on a lawn.
“But our ineffectual, elitist, cowed politicians don’t much care, so he does it with impunity.”
I’m going to call hogwash on this statement, Rick. Were they supposed to grab their pitchforks and skewer him (Mr. F.) on sight?
I’m going to guess that if I erected a sign on my lawn that attacked a group based on race and spoke ill of them, it wouldn’t go through an orderly, drawn-out court process.
Hey! i can see what it is now. it’s one of those “goDaddy.com” stunts.
“I think an ancient desire to connect with the truth can lie dormant inside each and every one of us. To bear honest witness. To reveal the light as the light has been revealed to you. ”
I think i’ve heard that quote somewhere … was it Charles Manson? Or david Koresh?
Oh wait no, I remember. That’s what the guy from the Klan told me when he laid a newsletter in my driveway recently …
Rick, the new message isn’t even printed so how would you know whom it might attack? Regarding the first sign/structure, the City followed the law in its challenge to Mr. F. It had the DOJ breathing down its neck.
“It had the DOJ breathing down its neck.”
Agreed. That is the untold story here, the one that would make people angrier and more frustrated if they understood it or accepted it.
Bush’s White House used the DOJ to fight for illegals’ rights, in Manassas, and had a real impact.
@IVAN,
Thank you, for the link of the city’s webcam. It has a great view of our fair city. If the camera is staionary 9500 Liberty will not be seen from the webcam. Do you know if the camera is stationary or rotates. If it rotates, then we might be able to see the historic property site.