Time to trot out some of the 9500 Liberty videos that document the evil manner in which Chief Deane was treated. It appears that a few of our contributors have forgotten or never knew what really happened. Here, irate citizens demand an apology to the chief:
9500 Liberty tried to give Corey Stewart an opportunity to clarify his position on the Chief Deane issue. To give Corey the benefit of the doubt, it appears that he wasn’t after Chief Deane’s head; he was only helping his friend Greg go after Chief Deane’s head. (if we take him at his word)
One has to ask the important question: WHY? What was in it for Greg to make the ill-advised move to go after a well-respected community leader? Why would Corey risk the ire of his colleagues on the BOCS to turn their emails to him over to a blog owner? Why would Corey alienate his constituents by allowing a popular county icon like Chief Deane to be attacked? Who was controlling the strings?
Prince William residents overwhelmingly support their police chief, Charlie Deane. Corey Stewart said Chief Deane was an excellent police chief and had won national citations. Who do you believe, Greg or Corey?
This was not politics as usual. Corey seemed sincere in the video in his support of Chief Deane. None of this makes sense. Is it time to give Corey the benefit of the doubt? Is it time to him another chance?
Looking at that interview it does create a mystery. Corey DOES look sincere. I wonder if Greg had some sort of blackmail chip he was holding on Corey during this period.
Corey was zig zagging every which way. Remember a few weeks later he was on the nightly news again saying he wanted to put “probable cause” immigration checks BACK in the way of the police department doing their job. Then he did an about face and started claiming “victory” that the Resolution got neutered.
Also, I think Corey overestimated Greg’s ability to intimidate the Board of Supervisors. Automated faxes and email blitzes from Arizona and threats at the Citizens Time podium were no longer scaring people like Caddigan and jenkins. After the neutering took place, a couple of times it looked like Greg was threatening vigilante violence. But the Board seemed less concerned while Corey looked very, very afraid. It was as is Corey knew if he couldn’t control Greg and Greg had another meltdown attacking a police officer and such, that Corey would be fatally damaged politically. That is my guess as to why Corey agreed to attack Chief Deane at Greg’s insistence. But Corey should have known. If Greg was that powerful why would he need Corey’s help to bring down a police chief?
I have a hard time even remembering the timeline, Shellyb. I just remember Chief Deane was treated very shabbily. Many residents of PWC will not get over that insult.
I think everyone except for a handful of Greg disciples agrees that Chief Deane was ill-treated, but he came out the winner, unscathed by Corey and Greg’s hyper partisan extremist propaganda. Treason? I mean really. Treason? Greg and Corey looked like idiots. Their credibility never recovered. The before and after was pretty shocking.
Greg discredits and demeans himself consistently to this day. Corey only sounds like a Greg disciple sometimes. Greg is mentally ill. He presents no mystery other than his arrogance to think people would believe him over Chief Deane. That part still mystifies me.
Corey is the mystery because he can sound so sincere and sane sometimes and the he goes and gets Greg-beaten again. Or something.
I meant to say: and THEN he goes and gets Greg-beaten again. Greg-beated is a mixture of brow-beaten and egg-beaten. I guess I am saying Greg Letiecq scrambles Corey Stewart’s brain. Haha.
Shelly, I don’t think we are in a postion to judge someone’s mental stability. Self serving, political to a fault, spin-meister yes. Mentally ill–that’s a stretch and outside my pay grade to address.
Very interesting. I agree that someone of Chief Deane’s stature should not be brow-beaten or otherwise disrespected, especially in public.
Nevertheless, it is still reasonable to ask why the Mexican consul was involved with PWC outreach activities. Although the Washington Post reported otherwise, various folks claim that the Mexican consul and Chief Deane were simply invited to the same event. Based on the Deane’s own statements, it sounds to me like he was an organizer.
I apologize for not answering the earlier thread (not a lot of time to read this blog during the week). As proof that he was not an organizer, I would accept other newspaper articles, Chief Deane’s own statements, on-line meeting announcements, etc. I just would like to see some indication other than a bloggers statement that Chief Deane was not the organizer.
Crikey Moses! That is some kind of malicious stunt Stewart pulled with those BOCS internal emails. That is one of the more damning stunts I’ve seen from him. It is bad enough that he attacked our Chief of Police in the newspapers. Then he goes after fellow Board Members for not agreeing with his puppet master’s deranged lies. What an incredible breach of trust with regard to his colleagues and the public at large.
I didn’t think it possible, but it is now even more clear to me that the insulated addleheads who attacked Chief Deane a few days ago are no longer in touch with the real Prince William County.
Chief Dean’s integrity was called into question because he basically refused to enforce existing law. He had a policy in place that directed his officers to not ask for “illegal” immigration status. When the council AT THE URGING of a large number of concerned citizens (including me who had never been an activist in my life before I saw the racist minority groups demonstrate and distort the truth for their own racial advantage), demanded that the existing immigration law be enforced and that EVERYONE stopped by a police officer be checked as to “illegal” status, the “pro-ethnic group racists and racial prejudice progressives” made this an issue about race and ethnicity, showed favoritism to races and ethnicities they favored, show contempt for races and ethnicities they hate, ignored laws that are on the books clearly identifying the fairness of common law to all individuals regardless of race, gender, religion and ethnicy, and blatelantly mis-represented this BOD directive as a racial profiling rhetoric, when it was only about finding, locating and deporting “illegal” immigrants of all races genders, religions and ethnicities because of the rampant financial harm, gangs, corrupt ethnic-based politics and social values, and rapidly increasing poverty it was bringing to our once upper-middle income neighborhoods. Racial and ethnic entitlement for different protections under the law, is now a prevalent progressive belief system inappropriate for a law enforcement officer and calls into question his belief systems about ethnic preference, ethnic group associations, and the possibility of being bought off by foreign consulates. When you oppose the majority of people’s sense of equal justice for all under the law, you become a target for scrutiny, criticism, and questioning for reasons why your behavior is outside the expected norm for a law enforcement officer.
He is not a politician, he is a representative of the people charged to uphold existing law. He refused to do so.
Let me draw from a quote from the very document you seem to approve of as a solution to the “illegal” immigrant problem, recommended by “experts” on the reform council.
-State and local enforcement: State and local police forces can and should be used to augment federal immigration enforcement capabilities, as long as this does not interfere with their core mission of maintaining safety and security in the communities they serve.
I submit to you that Chief Dean’s decision to support “illegal” immigration by ignoring the law interfered with maintaining safety and security in the community he serves. The problem still exists and has not been fixed, our safety and security is still in question as long as he is police chief with his existing political beliefs. You will see that over time our community become more impoverished and with it more and broader types of crime as a direct result of allowing “illegal” immigrants to roam freely in our neighborhoods, forming crime, syndicates and black markets at will. If they are not already, at some point when you look at the history of how ethnic-based crime syndicates take over a community, the police leadership will be bought off to look the other way, while extortion, gambling, drug sales and prostitution take over communities of increasing poverty.
The attempt to oust Chief Deane, whether Corey Stewart’s heart was in it or it was just a cold calculated political hit job, was a devastating strategical blunder for both Corey Stewart and Greg Letiecq.
The third party that was hurt by the Chief Deane attack was Help Save Manassas and all its members. Many upstanding good-hearted people had joined HSM believing it was a way to improve their quality of life and make a better home for their families. But then, two events caused most of those people to regret their affiliation with HSM, and ultimately led to its unraveling. Today, most people who know of HSM think of it as the embodiment of the negative, often hateful chapter of PWC history we deeply wish to live down. But it was not always that way, and it is a shame that the entire group became tarred with the choices made by its supreme leader (Leteicq) and its second and command (Stewart). I can only imagine what most folks were thinking: this is not what I signed up for. It was not what was advertised either.
The first lethal mistake was the “Gospel Greg” Youtube video, which Greg proudly put on his blog and touted as candid exposition of his religous/political ideology. Several members of Help Save Manassas quit the day the video went up because it ran counter to their Christian faith. Some tried to reason with Greg by writing directly to him on his blog, but he could not be reasoned with. Most people just put Greg’s “Help Save Manassas Alerts” in the spam folder and never paid him another moment’s thought.
Then came the attack on Chief Deane. This horribly ugly defensive strategy certainly hurt Greg Letiecq and Corey Stewart’s reputations. But it also revealed that Help Save Manassas was mortally wounded. Many of those who stayed despite the Gospel Greg video were clearly no longer thinking for themselves. They dutifully sent “ugly, ugly” emails or appeared at Citizens Time to denounce Chief Deane as a traitor to this country in person.
But those who were still able to think for themselves remained silent, and were now forced to question anything Greg and Corey said or did. It was around this time that we learned of Greg was recruiting officers for his own special police force. I forget what it was called. People on this blog called it The Order of the Red Circle. HSM was widely ridiculed, and the group collapsed like a dying star into a very dense and narrow-minded core.
But those who left the group at one of those two fateful junctures should not be tarred for once having belonged.
Even Moohowler has disturbingly noticed the increase in crimes committed by ALL races and ethnicites in this community. What she has not yet grasped correctly, although I believe she wil before most of the rest of you do, is WHY.
“illegal” immigration will never end as long as law id not enforced. “illegal” immigration will alwaysd bring poverty with it. Poverty will always increase crime, and crime syndicates will always pay off law enforcement and politicians so they can operate using extortion, drugs, gambling and prostitution. It was true of the 1920s, it will be true today at some point in PWC if “illegal” immigration is not stopped and people who exhibit lawless behavior as a means to gain wealth quickly and rationalize lawlessness as normal behavior are not deported.
Sorry Moonhowler, although an innocent mistake, even she might laugh at “moohowler”.
I have never been a member of HSM, but I support their efforts to enforce the law as it exists until it is changed. A society without democratic rule of law is an impoverished and criminal decadent society. That is the problem with those who rationalize a “look the other way lawless mentality”
Kelly3406, below you will find the offical schedule of informational meetings held by Chief Deane and the police department. Please take note of the listing for 03/27/08 as it is listed as a meeting with the “Hispanic Community”. This was a meeting set up by members of the Hispanic Business community and the Chief’s office. The Mexican Consulate was invited by the Hispanic Business Community and Chief Deane did not care if that individual was also on the platform as his objective was to explain the resolution. This meeting was one of approximately 63 that were held. Sorry for the length, but I needed it to show that the Department listed who they were meeting with. This information is available on the Police website under “immigration”.
When Who Location
Community Groups
06/06/08 Prince William Bar Association Manassas
04/10/08 Dale City Civic Association Birchdale Rec. Center
04/10/08 Human Rights Commission McCoart
04/08/08 St. Paul’s UMC Men’s Group St. Paul’s UMC
03/27/08 Hispanic Community Hi-Mart
03/24/08 Bel Air Women’s Club First United Presbytarian Church
03/06/08 Hispanic Business Leaders Chief’s Office
02/23/08 Manassas Soccer League Manassas
02/06/08 7-11 Franchise Owners
11/12/07 Crime Prevention Council Western District Station
11/09/07 Prince William Regional Chamber Old Hickory Golf Club
09/27/07 Opponents of BOCS resolution Woodbridge
09/27/07 Help Save Manassas Stonewall Middle School
09/24/07 Hispanic Business Leaders Todos Market
Religious Organizations
04/20/08 Doors to Heaven Church Cokesbury United Methodist Church
12/02/07 Manassas Church of the Brethren 10047 Nokesville Road
11/18/07 First Baptist of Woodbridge 13600 Minnieville Road
11/13/07 Eastern Prince William Ministerial Services Hylton Chapel
10/05/07 Manassas Mosque Manassas Mosque
09/30/07 Catholic Congregation Holy Family Catholic Church
09/30/07 Dar Alnoor Mosque Dar Alnoor Mosque
Media/Radio
09/19/08 Bloomberg News McCoart
07/11/08 ASP “French Television” McCoart
06/25/08 Liberty 9500 McCoart
06/19/08 Liberty 9500 McCoart
06/02/08 Press Conference – Chief Deane McCoart
04/22/08 Liberty 9500 McCoart
04/08/08 Medill News Service Western District Station-Training Rm.
04/08/08 Sarah Wire – Los Angeles Times Western District Station-Training Rm.
03/26/08 Panorama Latino Comcast Studio
03/26/08 Radio Fiesta Woodbridge
03/25/08 LaLay Radio Station Sudley Road, Manassas
03/19/08 Louise Schiavone – CNN Washington DC
03/14/08 El Zol Radio Station Studio
03/06/08 Washington Post Chief’s Office
03/05/08 ArloWagner – Washington Times Chief’s Office
03/05/08 Alberto Ojeda – Nuevo Horizontes Chief’s Office
02/08/08 Media Day – Overview of Officer Training Academy
03/03/08 Radio America (Nat’l Radio-not local) Chief’s Office
01/30/08 Telemundo Radio Show Studio
01/18/08 Justice Talking Radio Show Chief’s Office
10/23/07 Sky News w/ Lisa Holland McCoart
10/23/07 News Channel 8 Studio
10/19/07 WMAL Radio Show Live Chief’s Office
09/27/07 Fiesta 1480 Radio Woodbridge
Educational Groups
05/19/08 – 06/05/08 ESOL Classes (20) Various locations
02/06/08 NVCC – Students & Faculty Woodbridge Campus
12/06/07 NVCC – Woodbridge Campus Neabsco Road
Law Enforcement/Government
06/21/08 Virginia Association of Human Rights Commissions Virginia Beach
05/09/08 Nat’l. Organization of Black Law Enforcement Execs. Richmond
03/20/08 Leadership Prince William Board Chambers
12/14/07 US Commission on Civil Rights Board Chambers
County Agencies
06/05/08 County Staff Development Services Building
05/29/08 County Staff Development Services Building
05/22/08 County Staff Sudley North
05/19/08 County Staff Dr. A.J. Ferlazzo Building
03/20/08 Victim/Witness Program Staff Office
02/26/08 Social Services Staff Office
County Schools
03/12/08 School Security Staff
03/01/08 School Faculty (General) High, Middle, Elem Schools
01/28/08 School Board Coalition
01/09/08 School Board Supervisors
County Staff
02/26/08 – 03/07/08 County Employees training Various locations
Interesting… of the 65 meetings over the period,
31 were with racial, gender, ethnic and religious advocacy groups
9 were specially with racial entitlement advocacy media outlets
9 were religious groups
3 were human rights groups
and only 3 were with crime prevention organizations over a 2 year period.
To me this indicates the Chief is very possibly far more interested in racial entitlement and racial advocacy politics than he is interested in law enforcement and crime prevention organizations.
I think that pretty much sums up why people called into question his integrity, his law enforcement obligations and responsibilities to the community, instead of his interests in delving into community politics, racial entitlement groups, and his own apparent racial advocacy political beliefs appearing to override what most people see as his primary duty to the community: Enforce the existing law.
Oh Michael, for heavens sake [ED. NOTE: my language was a little over the topic]. Give it up. Let me just ask you, who NEEDED to know the information? Did the octogenarians in Annaburg Manor need to know? Probably not. Did the Hispanic community need to know? You bettcha.
The law enforcement that needed to know what was going on was PWCPD. I am sure that was handled in-house and certainly would not be listed under Community Outreach.
Chief Deane’s integrity should not be questioned. I honestly don’t care who he met with. He got the job done. Action plan. Who organized the meeting is simply a red herring.
Lucky Duck, thank you for providing us with that extensive list. Chief Deane sure did more than I realized as far as community outreach goes. Truthfully, he could have put a notice in the paper and said this is how it is going to be.
But he didn’t. He met with over 60 organizations. I am impressed.
Michael, Chief Deane was following the law. He is not an ICE agent.l Take your cause up with those who have been charged with the duty, namely former INS or ICE.
Michael, I admire your energy for extra long posts, even though I have no idea what you are talking about most of the time. But this last post takes the cake. I laughed out loud, literally. If you don’t understand why minorities are more concerned about the specter of racial profiling, I won’t bother explaining. It’s posts like that that explain why most people on this blog will confess they don’t actually read most of your posts. They are either too long, to difficult to understand, or both.
M-H, I’m glad you created this thread, because we it’s plain for everyone to see which members of this blog are so far out one the way-out-there EXTREME of the right wing that they would side with Letiecq and Stewart against Chief Deane. Chief Deane is as middle of the road as you can get. Prince William County is by and large middle of the road (even though we swung heavily Democratic last year), and this county strongly supports Chief Deane. This whole insane debate is really between middle of the road people and way-out-there loons on the extreme right. Those of us on the liberal side should just butt out and let the extremists flame themselves out.
Witness, I agree with you that not everyone in HSM was like Greg Letiecq or like Corey Stewart. I think the ones who are still with HSM at this point are beyond obsessed with Chief Deane. Funny how they like to claim they are not with HSM anymore. Few people will admit to it now days. That says it all.
I did not realize Corey Stewart was actually a member of HSM. I do know that John Stirrup is a proud member.
Shelly, thanks. It seemed that many folks here had forgotten or didn’t know what happened over a year ago to Chief Deane. I am still outraged over his treatment. To me, the word ‘traitor’ just is not used.
I seriously doubt any group would’ve been turned down by Chief Deane to speak to for informational purposes regarding the resolution. All interested parties and/or groups could’ve requested an informational meeting. Clearly it was of great concern 65 groups/organization, and not so much to many other groups in our community.
Thank you Lucky Duck for providing the list.
Micheal, to question one’s integrity is one thing, but to accuse our Chief of being a traitor is quite another thing. I glad to hear you never joined HSM. I support the original concept of HSM, but it really did turn into quite something else. Now, you’ve stated you weren’t a member of HSM, and therefore you have no first hand knowledge of operation.
Chief Deane was enforcing the law. He did not allow himself to be bullied and intimidated. He didn’t mind Greggie, that was the problem. Michael, you are just flat out wrong and don’t know what you are talking about. Your post is as full of crap as a Christmas turkey. I have never heard so much bull in my life.
Michael, you forgot to mention the racially motivated ethnic advocacy group that was THE MOST involved in this whole issue:
Help Save Manassas.
I guess don’t count them because an all-white organization is “neutral” and therefore not an ethnic advocacy group.
Many people find white separatists more frightening than diplomats from neighboring countries. But no one is fiendish or desperate enough to make a stink about Chief Deane going to meet with Help Save Manassas, oh, no, no, no, no, no.
The Chief respectfully accepted Help Save Manassas’ invitation, just like he did all the other groups, and they paid him back by mounting a campaign to accuse him of treason and try to get him fired.
Mexicans Without Borders didn’t like what the Chief had to say about the immigration policy, but at least they never made up lies and pretended to believe them in order to slander the man! You Gospel Greg Ass-Sippers are all the same.
Corey Stewart is not an HSM member. He’s got more sense than that. I even have a hard time believing John Stirrup would be that politically suicidal.
off-topic but of interest:
Write-In Effort Blocks ‘Revisionist’
By Fredrick Kunkle
Washington Post Staff Writer
Tuesday, July 14, 2009
A last-minute write-in campaign to prevent a self-described Holocaust revisionist from serving on a civic body in Reston has succeeded with a landside, the organization’s former president said today
Ken Meyercord, who had been running unopposed for an at-large seat on the Reston Citizens Association’s 13-member volunteer board, received only 23 votes after his provocative views on Jews created a backlash.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/07/13/AR2009071301670.html?hpid=moreheadlines
The residents of Reston are to be commended for turning away this vile merchant of hate.
JustinT.
I guess don’t count them because an all-white organization is “neutral” and therefore not an ethnic advocacy group.
With all due respect, NOT all HSM members are “white”. There’s no need to make up such a statement. It simply is NOT true!!
I was there the night that Chief deane spoke before a LARGE HSM crowd. I was twiching in frustration listening to him. Nobody ever told me how to feel about Deane. It’s obvious that he wants to selectively enforce the law and to play God. While minimizing the responsibilities of his officers.
I was there too Rick. I did not get the impression he wanted to selectively enforce the law. Good Lord, man, even the most rabid of rats weren’t twitching that night. Believe me, I had some real rabid ones sittng right behind me. Your review above is your perception, and we must ALL remember perception is reality.
Forgot to add… my perception and many others that were there that night was NOT the same as yours. I had several friends that came that night to hear Chief Deane, and they were not HSM members. After, attending the meeting I asked them to join HSM again since they’d been to a meeting. They declined to join again.
I was twitching. I was tapping my foot as I tend to do when outraged but not in a position to express it verbally. it was obvious to me that Deane was not interested in encouraging enforcement of US law, that he was eager to pass the buck, and leave my neighborhood far less safe than it should be.
Greg encouraged us (the crowd) to treat Deane with the greatest respect and deference. I didn’t feel that Deane deserved it.
Let me put out an all call for the video and see for ourselves.
Could it be that Chief Deane was obeying the law? Sometimes things are as they are, not as we would like for them to be.
And while we wait, lets talk about specifics. What did Deane do or say that made you feel he would not protect your neighborhood, Rick?
I have watched the presentation at many different places. I don’t see it.
It was clear that he did not want officers to show any initiative at discovering illegal immigrants, and turning them over for deportation, therefore continuing the status quo. I guess if they kill or rape someone, then Deane thinks it’s okay to ask. Little things like driving cars though he has no problem with.
Rick and Lafayette, I am going to try to reconcile your beef here because I think you both are reasonable people based on your previous writings.
Rick, your feeling of agitation when Chief Deane visited Help Save Manassas is a valid feeling, given your focus at the time, even if it differs from my view, from Lafayette’s, and from most other residents of the county.
But I think you can agree with us that Chief Deane is a law enforcement officer, long in the tooth, who is faithful to the law, particularly those state and county laws that have fallen under his jurisdiction all those decades that he was our Police Chief, or part of the Prince William County Police Department.
The reluctance you interpreted came about only when the Chief was faced with an extremely radical CHANGE to what his job had always been. You can understand being resistant to change, can’t you? Most people are, especially most people Chief Deane’s age.
Chief Deane’s “reluctance” was more like caution in my opinion. He was being cautious in the face of a requirement that his Officers leap across a well established line of demarcation between STATE/LOCAL law enforcement, and FEDERAL law enforcement. Immigration is a federal law enforcement issue. The wording was something like this, “Police Officers must inquire of the legal status of anyone they have PROBABLE CAUSE to suspect is an undocumented immigrant.”
This radical change, this “Probable Cause” requirement of Police Officers was so surprising and so radical that newspapers all over the country wrote about it. It was so unprecedented that CNN, PBS, and Fox News sent reporters here. It was so close to government mandated racial profiling that we found ourselves trying to explain to our friends and relatives from outside the county that Prince William County was a fine and normal place and that none of the politicians involved had said a thing about immigration when they were last elected.
So it’s hard to say the racial change in law is “the law,” but the long established laws that made immigration a federal issue was not also under the law. Chief Deane was dealing with two laws that were in contradiction, and probably destined for a legal showdown in the Supreme Court. Can you blame him for being cautious, or even resistant as you put it?
Are you with me so far? I don’t think I’ve said anything that is arguable. But here is where we may disagree:
I think there are many, many good reasons why the The Association of Police Chiefs, and the majority of law enforcement professionals and law enforcement educators were skeptical about such an extremely radical change from what has gone on before. Many of those reasons were listed in the Salt Lake City Police Chief’s Op-Ed that touched off this firestorm about Chief Deane. A blurring of the lines between local law and federal law exposes Police Officers and local governments to COSTLY racial profiling law suits. It destroys trust between ethnic communities and local law enforcement, making crimes harder to solve because less people will talk to them, or worse, because less people will report crimes when they happen. It distracts Police Officers from their core mission, adds to their workload, and thus makes communities less safe.
You see, there aren’t enough Police Officers in PWC, or in any jurisdiction to do all the work themselves. The idea behind COMMUNITY POLICING, which is far and away the most respected approach in modern day law enforcement, is Police Officers working in cooperation with the people they serve. By “people” I mean all people, including people of color, who are disproportionately affected by racial profiling, and/or the fear of racial profiling.
Chief Deane never expressed a reluctance to enforce the law. He expressed caution in enforcing an EXTREMELY RADICAL NEW LAW, that was unlike anything he or any other Police Chief in the nation had had to deal with before. Chief Deane is faithfully and honorably committed to enforcing the law, but it was also his duty to explain to the lawmakers, and to the public that there would be unintended consequences with this radical and unprecedented NEW law.
What may have frustrated you, Rick, was that Chief Deane instructed his Officers to steer clear of racial profiling as a criteria for who to pull over and who to question.
This was a wise course of action. Most people see that. Most people trust Chief Deane’s judgment over novices who have only one, very narrow and radical focus.
Even Help Save Manasass’ favorite two lawmakers, Corey Stewart and John Stirrup, joined the UNANIMOUS VOTE to repeal this extremely radical “Probable Cause” standard, such that PWC law now conforms with Virginia State law: checking legal status after someone is arrested, and without regard to their appearance.
So, if you think Chief Deane is not a good law enforcement professional, your real beef is not with Lafayette; it’s with the Virginia General Assembly, our Governor, the United States Congress, the Supreme Court, and the President.
What happens when the local law enforcement officials start questioning immigration status?? Well, the people with immigration issues will not talk to the police. This causes groups to target that population causing more crime. And that population will no longer help police to solve crimes. Most people blame the immigrant for coming here – but the root of the problem is that the employers skirt the laws and are the cause of the issues. Solve the cash paying/tax avoiding employer issue, and the immigration issue will solve itself.
Chief Deane is 100% correct in trying to communicate with all groups –
Witness, I don’t think Rick has beef with me, and I certainly don’t have one with him. I think we saw the presentation differently. I do find it quite laughable “the crowd was told to be respectful”. Everyone in the auditorium that night should’ve been insulted that one “man” tells them how to conduct themselves. I don’t think a group of adults needs to be told how to conduct themselves. Pu-leez, some of the crowd were rude and disrespectful to Chief Deane, and that’s why my friends refused to join HSM. They simply didn’t like what the saw and heard from the audience that night, and wanted no parts of it.
Rick, do you have any knowledge of the training the police were given? Ask to see the lesson plan content via the Police information officer.
In no part of the training did it tell officers NOT to enforce the law. To the contrary, the training covered all aspects of the resolution and what was required of each individual officer with regards to enforcement. In all of the training classes, either the Chief himself or members of his command staff were there to emphasize that the resolution was a change of procedures and was to be followed as it was written.
I don’t understand what upsets you about the enforcement Rick, it was and is being enforced as it is written. Unless you have evidence to the contrary, the facts speak for themselves.
Lucky Duck, Witness, Pat, and Lafayette all sound as if they are coming at this from a position of a wide breath of knowledge. That probably means that you can never see eye to eye with folks who come from a position of an anti-immigrant agenda that was later proven to be outside the constrains of our Constitution. It’s funny how the rule of law applies at the outset, and then all of the sudden no longer applies when you learn more about what the Constitution and the law really says.
It’s pretty obvious to me that people who spent a lot of time being told how to think and behave by Greg Letiecq are quite confused about what the law says and how law enforcement is conducted.
“I do find it quite laughable “the crowd was told to be respectful”. Everyone in the auditorium that night should’ve been insulted that one “man” tells them how to conduct themselves. I don’t think a group of adults needs to be told how to conduct themselves. ”
I said ENCOURAGED, not told. You’ve willfully mischaracterized this.
Greg L doesn’t tell me how to think. In point of fact that night he told me that we should give Chief Deane major props and great respect, and I felt like dry heaving from what I saw and heard.
Some of the HSM meeting is in this video. Again, it shows probably cause ——–> the present.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kunE36JmskM&feature=channel_page
Rick, is this the meeting you are referring to?
Lafayette makes an excellent point:
The question becomes, why aren’t they offended?
Rick, Lafayette was there. Check it out for yourself. She is not mischaracterizing anything. She is giving her own perception of that meeting. The link is above.
WitnessToo, I don’t agree.
“The reluctance you interpreted came about only when the Chief was faced with an extremely radical CHANGE to what his job had always been.’ Arguably not a change. Even if so, a change that the majority of legal residents of his county wanted.
“Immigration is a federal law enforcement issue. ” Guess what? The Federal Government is not protecting American citizens and American workers. Nevertheless Amnesty has failed, and illegal immigration is still a crime.
“This radical change, this “Probable Cause” requirement of Police Officers was so surprising and so radical that newspapers all over the country wrote about it.” It’s what most of us here – the ones who BELONG here, anyway – wanted. It’s not unconstitutional or illegal. I’m holding out for a Police Chief who gives a damn about my quality of life. Not one who defends his right to eat donuts at a lesiurely pace while my neighborhood descends into a Spanish ghetto.
“It destroys trust between ethnic communities …” and it discourages illegal immigration into PWC.
“What may have frustrated you, Rick, was that Chief Deane instructed his Officers to steer clear of racial profiling as a criteria for who to pull over and who to question. ”
Ability to speak English is NOT a matter of racial profiling.
I am too busy now to write up a flowery response but for now I’ll just say that I don’t agree with you all and my anger runs deeply. i don’t want to live in a County or a State where illegal aliens can obtain drivers liscences when they can’t even speak or read English. it’s an absolutely disgusting state that this nation has degraded to in a quest by the wealthy for cheap labor.
If Charlie m*****f***ing Deane had lived in my house, in my neighborhood, he would have felt very differently about things, I’m g**damn sure!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
“don’t agree with you all”
was meant to be
“don’t agree with you at all”
There is no doubt in my mind that Greg Letiecq and many sheep in his flock were disrespectful and unfair to Chief Deane. However, I have never met Mr. Letiecq, nor any member of his flock, nor any person in Prince William County who has anything but the deepest regard and deepest respect for Chief Deane. Me thinks this be yet another tempest in a teapot. The only part of this discussion that interests me, vaguely, is the refusal of Greg and flock to back down. The issue was decided a year ago. The Chief stays. Probable Cause goes.
Rick,
There is no shame in holding a minority opinion. It certainly no cause to become unhinged. You should be thankful that your minority opinion was ever mistaken, even for a brief time, for a majority opinion. The Board of Supervisors now realizes their mistake, and they have corrected it. Ironically, it was Stewart/Leteicq’s unfounded charge of treason directed at Chief Deane that work the BOCS up. Since then, there has been a new alignment, with far right extremists Stewart and Stirrup isolated against a Board of moderate Republicans and moderate Democrats. Kind of like this blog.
That’s footage from the HSM meeting, yes, intercut with extraneous “explanation” though. Snippets from it, intercut. Give me the raw footage and an editing bay and I can make Deane look like a total buffoon, I’m sure.
I’m watching the footage right now with this crook Gerhart pretending he “manages” effectively and telling us hsi friend Charlie has similar responsibilities. Perhaps in the wake of the Gerhart fiasco the amateur propogandists should edit GC out.
@Lucky Duck
An incredible and admirable list, Lucky Duck.
Stewart is a manipulator and will do whatever he thinks is popular at the moment. When he thought GL’s Deane-bashing was popular, he went for it. When it was suddenly unpopular, he repented. If GL and the gang suddenly became popular again, you can bet Steward would be back on that bandwagon.
Sorry, but I can’t trust this man.
Witness Too,
@Witness TooYour long and thorough explanation above was worth the read. I recommend it for anyone who is as perplexed as I am as to why Letiecq and his flock continue to rail against Prince William County’s overwhelming and steadfast support for Chief Charlie Deane.
Pinko, you and I agree on that one. Stewart is not to be trusted. Where have you gone, Sean?