Sharing an e-mail from Eric Byler —
Dear Friends,
Annabel Park and I have a documentary coming out this fall. 9500 Liberty explores the social, political, and economic fallout from one of America’s fiercest battles over immigration policy at the local level. We feel that our film will help illuminate what is really at stake in the upcoming national debate over immigration policy.
Watch our trailer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rlZkL_0lZ1Q
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Thanks,
Eric Byler & Annabel Park
Thanks Lafayette for posting that link. As they say, “a picture’s worth a thousand words”! In this case, they speak volumes about MWB. Now, why would they NOT want pictures taken of their rally, unless they have something they don’t want the general public to see. You would think the object of a protest is to make your message known, and as in the old saying “no publicity is bad publicity” or something of that. The fact they wanted to block you from taking pictures, also says something in my mind. I agree, they strike me as a radical group too – but I see a lot of people trying to paint them as nothing of the sort. There seemst to be ample evidence out there though to convince me at least that they are radical, and they definitely are promoting an agenda of wanting to dissolve the border between USA and Mexico, at least from an immigration or “flow of people” point of view.
Thanks Lafayette.
I also tend to think, the 9500 Liberty flimmakers probably know of MWB’s agenda, but I’m guessing nowhere in the film do they mention it, and just probably portray MWB as an organization who’s sole purpose was to be against the resolution here in PWC. If so, this is the kind of biased reporting that has been discussed endlessly on this blog, in other threads. I would really like to know if the 9500 Liberty filmmakers knew of MWB’s agenda (I’m sure they did though) and if so, deliberately chose not to show it in any way, in the film. I think it is pertinent and relevant to the subject, but that’s just my opinion.
Gainesville/Rick, you are welcome.
Gainesville, you might want to look at the other albums in that link above. I think you can click on that page to get there. If not, I’d be happy to post the other albums.There are various taggings, rallies, and zoning violation too.
Off topic*I just heard the lowest level in a decade of people trying to cross the border from Mexico. I really need to see more details on that issue.
GR, I think you’re probably right about the 9500 Liberty filmmakers glossing over MWB’s beliefs.
Thanks Lafayette – I just went back there and see how to get to your other albums. I’ll take a look at those later this evening – they look very interesting. Looks like you’ve done a lot of collecting “photographic evidence” so that’s great.
I also heard that report on WTOP tihs morning – it claims to be that due to the economy, record low numbers of people are crossing into the USA from Mexico. However, it says (and I’m quoting this) – that most hispanics here in the USA – both legal and illegal – do not want to leave as they are hoping the economy will improve, and also are hoping that comrprehensive immigration reform will be pass. Again, this is pretty close to what WTOP said, and I’m sure I’m not changing any meaning, and they used the words “both illegal and legal”, etc.
Lucky Duck – I don’t really like to make any inferences about a film I’ve only seen snippets of in random order on their website – but I also get the feeling that at the very least, they aren’t going to go out of their way to say what MWB’s real agenda is. I’d love to be proven wrong though, and if so would be glad to admit it. I just don’t have a good feeling about that, and if indeed it is glossed over or ommitted, that’s one example of the film’s bias and shading of things in its portrayal of certain groups.
I happened to think of looking at WTOP’s website to see if the report was there – and sure enough it is – so you can read more details at http://www.wtop.com/?sid=1722789&nid=104 – makes interesting reading (this is about record low numbers of people crossing from Mexico to USA).
You can get a clue of the film’s value, they think it’s clever or sly to have edit Mr. Duecaster closing on the word “repulsion” and to manage to frame a camera shot as if Greg is overseeing Corey Stewart. Bush-league stunts. The issue and our dialogue here deserves better than sophomoric attempts to be the bargain-basement version of Michael Moore, and to manufacture something for wordly left-wingers to laugh at.
I think many of the same comparisions could be made about MWB and HSM – the two organizations that were out front representing the two sides of this debate. The leadership of both groups used their membership to promote/lend legitimacy to their causes. And, perhaps, for their average member that group might have felt like his/her only means of effective representation before the PWC BOCS.
They both used fear or anger to get their membership out. MWB may have had a goal unknown to the average member (desolving borders)just as HSM had a different goal(electing right-wing Republicans). All one had to do was watch the marathon meeting to see the fear – which, of course, is captured in the trailer. (And isn’t the purpose of trailers to capture your attention?)
I have a feeling that i could do better with my $300 camcorder, at least I would try to get at what’s real instead of sneering at people.
“just as HSM had a different goal(electing right-wing Republicans)”
Again, I think you’re confusing HSM with the BVBL website.
Censored – the problem is, while you may say HSM and MWB both caused or anger to get their memberhship out and involved in the debate – I’m willing to bet the film only shows HSM doing that, and NOW MWB. In that case, that is not a fair or accurate depiction of things.
I have to say, Rick’s comparison as a bargain-basement version of a Michael Moore film – may be correct, unfortunately.
Meant to say “and NOT MWB” in my post above. Otherwise it is confusing to read.
Actually, on second reading, I really botched up my post (an entire word is missing somehow!). I should proofread before I hit Submit. I think this is important, so I want to repost the first paragraph of my post with the CORRECT wording:
Censored – the problem is, while you may say HSM and MWB both used fear or anger to get their memberhship out and involved in the debate – I’m willing to bet the film only shows HSM doing that, and NOT MWB. In that case, that is not a fair or accurate depiction of things.
Wasn’t a taxpayer-funded postcard used to bring people out to talk at citizen time before the vote?
http://belowthebeltway.com/2007/10/14/did-corey-stewart-break-the-law/
GR, that’s why I said fear or anger. I think MWB used more fear. HSM used both.
Rick, I’m not so sure you can tease HSM from BVBL. Greg made no effort that I’ve seen to disassociate himself from BVBL as HSM president other than a little lip service. Perhaps he should have chosen to represent one or the other. You can’t have the county’s most inflammatory blog and then play Mr. Nice-nice as head of HSM. It doesn’t work that way.
HSM offered Republican candidates a platform prior to the election. Members of the GOP introduced candidates and spoke. Why wouldn’t Democrats have felt welcomed there even if they were invited?
Look at the affiliations of Save the Old Dominion . Look at a large donation made to HSM from a Republican source.
The correct spelling of his name is John Steinbach, also.
All of these groups have public meetings, and they do really good things for the community. I’ve been to a Help Save Manassas meeting when they were scheduled to have a speaker from the Northern Virginia Gang Task Force. I know people who are in their membership and they’ve done a lot of hard hands-on work cleaning up graffiti and litter in their neighborhoods and participating as members of the Neighborhood Leaders Group to come up with an overall strategic plan to make all neighborhoods better that is currently being acted on.
I have been to a Mexican Without Borders event – the march from Manassas Park to the county courthouse to ask for justice for someone who has allegedly assaulted by a police officer. I went as a member of Unity in the Community, which is by its mission concerned about discrimination in Manassas, Manassas Park and Prince William County. I know several members and I know Mexicans Without Borders has been helping a dozen or so families who were displaced by a fire in Woodbridge, and taking donations of food and money for people who are hungry.
What I object to in any individual or group is hate and scapegoating and gossip and fanning flames, and in that aspect, I think all of us have been miserable sinners.
Any group can be painted bad by the actions of a few within their ranks (and sometimes, the actions of their current leaders). Any group can grow and change and move beyond the mistakes they made.
I really want to see us as individuals and as groups learn, grow and change from this experience. I hope 9500 Liberty is balanced in the final cut and a true reflection of the times, because only then can we all learn.
@Cindy B
YES! Do we get such cards for other issues NOT during election time? NO. No matter what 9500 Liberty shows, actions like these speak for themselves,and so do the racist members of HSM (Rick, I am not saying you are one of those). They hang themselves with their own ropes.
Most MWB members do indeed believe in a bordlerless society such as Europe is establishing. I used to think it was a metaphor, but it isn’t. I am not for open borders because of terrorism and security issues (which is one reason I’m not pro-illegal immigration in the last), but I can see how such an evolution could be viable in the distant future. Now is certainly not the time, however. We as human beings just can’t handle it, IMO.
Now…that said, MWB has some hippie-types leading them which has resulted in marches and chants and all that. While I admire their passion against the original resolution and indeed marched with them, and while I totally understand their anger (hello? I was angry and still am because of continued racism), I am not sure these measures are effective, especially when some members misbehave. BUT, I can assure you that their marches have been peaceful. Not once did I see any threatening behavior from any of them, which is to their credit. Bad behavior must be happening off-camera for the most part, and Lafayette’s anecdote pretty much illustreates that.
“HSM offered Republican candidates a platform prior to the election. Members of the GOP introduced candidates and spoke. Why wouldn’t Democrats have felt welcomed there even if they were invited?”
I believe that some came. I’m certain that they were welcome. Even a lilly-livered illegal alien apologist like Chief Deane was welcomed, and treated respectfully while he basically told the audience to keep our noses out of his business.
“Rick, I’m not so sure you can tease HSM from BVBL. Greg made no effort that I’ve seen to disassociate himself from BVBL as HSM president other than a little lip service. Perhaps he should have chosen to represent one or the other. You can’t have the county’s most inflammatory blog and then play Mr. Nice-nice as head of HSM. It doesn’t work that way.”
I think of them as distinct. Certainly, I don’t agree with much of what is posted on BVBL. However I am completely comfortable with HSM. If anything, I’d like to see a more radical offshoot of HSM that engages in shouting matches, picks day laborers up and then drops them off miles away or takes them to an ICE office for deportation, tracks and monitors arrests, publicizes judges who let illegal aliens out of jail, actively pickets restaurants who use illegal labor, circulates flyers attacking particular businesses, etc. etc.
Rick, the last thing we need in this county are more radicals. Please… Radicals are dangerous. You have common sense and should know that.
Or are you trying to discourage business in PWC?
I swear, I can’t tell when you are trying to jerk chains.
I think that if my wife didn’t contrain me I’d implement a more radical organization.
I’d solicit donations from FAIR, the Klan, the Black Panthers, anyone who wanted to contribute.
I’d put posters around town saying that if you are here illegally, you don’t belong and neither do your children, and we the people are tired of paying for your health care and education. So go home.
I’d publicize through flyers in Spanish that Amnesty is undoable politically and absolutely not going to happen, so don’t bother sticking around here. Go home and make something of your own country. Don’t come whining to us if you chose to break rules.
I’d picket the wire transfer services and call attention to illegal aliens sending their ill-gotten gains back to their home countries, draining money from our economy. I’d intercut pictures of that with pictures of out-of-work and neglected Americans, on a web site.
I’d picket school events. I’d sue the school district for cold-calling my house in Spanish using my own tax dollars.
I’d picket local businesses, starting with McDonalds and other fast-food chains. I’d encourage members to get into confrontations, to call attention to the problem and get media attention. I’d document everything on a website and on youtube.
I’d get people with out-of-town liscence plates to pick up day laborers, drive them away, and either drop them off at an ICE office or out in some woods a ways away.
I’d systematically report suspected illegal aliens to ICE, and track known case disposition for each on a public website.
Oh, and when the dust settles someday I’d sue everybody who broke the law. I’d litigate significantly. And encourage everyone who suffers even in small ways from illegal aliens to sue everyone who hired that illegal alien.
And I’d picket Verizon like the dickens, certainly follow them from digging site to digging site with cameras.
“I swear, I can’t tell when you are trying to jerk chains.”
I’m serious. The red carpet is either olled out, or rolled up. I want it rolled up. I favor self-deportation and want to encourage it. Short of beatings and genocide, if it encourages illegal aliens to leave America, I’m for it.
This is the way I approach my anger. It would probably be counter-productive.
But you’d better believe this anger was there before there was an HSM, before I knew who Greg L was or Corey Stewart was, and it’s still there. This nation’s broken, the rich only enforce the laws that make them richer, and the people who built this country are lied to and betrayed systematically.
@Posting As Pinko
Look at my pictures I posted there’s one man that tried to run me out of a public park, and it was caught on camera. I do NOT embelish my life experiences.
“are you trying to discourage business in PWC”
Arguably, yes. If Marty Nohe sells a few less toolkits at his store that’s okay with me. I care more about living somewhere where law enforcement tries to track sex offenders, isn’t afraid to set up drunk driving checkpoints, and has a reasonable expectation of knowing my neighbor’s identity.
PAP, yesterday’s radicals are today’s party insiders. There was a time when letting millions of anonymous identity theives work in food processing would have been a radical notion. Maybe I would consider it possible to be moderate on this issue if I didn’t feel/know that both major political parties are in collusion against the will of the American people, and working actively to falsely define the issue and the possible paths forward. But they are and I feel that some real anger has to expressed by the silent majority in America, to get these elitists to acknowledge that they cannot subvert my nation’s sovereignty without a vote and without a real debate on the issue(s).
How did MWB use fear? The large numbers of people at a rally were not intended to scare people. That’s just how they participate in politics in their countries of origin.
Did they make their own community afraid by telling them the Immigration Resolution might separate their families and they should oppose it? I suppose. But there was nothing irrational in that fear, right? People who have families with mixed status already fear that their families will be separated. I think the intention of the Resolution was to make that fear greater so they would move away? And the way people behaved at Citizens Time was very very scary. Scary for anyone. So why blame MWB for “using” fear? It was a reality that they should have been afraid. Perhaps it looked worse than it really was. But none of us really knew how bad it was going to get. We are not that far removed from the violence of the Civil Rights Era.
HSM’s use of fear was irrational in my view. Crime stats prove that crime had been going down the entire time that the Latinos were moving here. Yet they talked as if any brown person on the street is just as likely as not to mug or rape you. Gospel Greg made those poor old folks believe that we were being invaded by armed militias with ski-masks. Just by putting a picture up on his blog. These people were ripe for being manipulated by fear. Greg knew this and he pushed it in all the way to the hilt. You can see it in the way they shake with fear and rage at Citizens’ Time.
Lafayette, that is awful what happened to you. I’m sorry that they tried to take your camera and run you off like that. This proves that both sides were capable of being bullies. What an ugly period of our county history.
“You can see it in the way they shake with fear and rage at Citizens’ Time.”
Greg didn’t create that rage. I would say neither did he exploit it, he harnassed it into civilized political action. It left unharnassed it would have expressed itself more destructively.
The root cause of the rage is the way elitists in ivory towers fiddle while our way of life and our social contract with each other is destroyed for quick cash.
@Rick Bentley
I think anger is one thing, and I agree there has to be a certain amount to get people moving. I totally understand anger. I’ve had a lot of it.
But I don’t understand using that anger to BECOME the elitists (read: white supremacists). We have to worry about becoming what we don’t like, and that’s where we were headed in the resolution era. In fact, some people still ARE headed in that direction.
I don’t think it’s radical to put a stop to hiring people who are here illegally. I don’t think it would have been radical to enforce our immigration laws before all this spun out of control. I don’t think demanding immigration reform is radical.
I DO think it is radical to use enforcement-only techniques what have radically negative impacts on all of us. I do think it’s radical to persecute the people WE let in and allow our government to poo-poo off potential domestic terrorists (a-la hate group members) and people who don’t want a solution, people who just want someone to blame because the easiest people to blame are those who are different. I think HSM is radical and we don’t need them. We need real, positive and productive change, and we can’t get that with HSM and company.
BTW, I shake with rage and fear, too. But I don’t talk about repelling an invasion, putting people in box cars, gassing people or anything like the hardcore HSM crowd does. Fortunately, that crowd is shrinking because most of us don’t want that kind of antisocial behavior in our communities. And that’s what it is–antisocial (sick) behavior.
I think MWB highly distorted things when they talked to immigrants, and thus incited fear. Anyone who doesn’t think they did that – I just think they are fooling themselves. From what it sounded like, they planted all kinds of scary notions in the minds of people, that police would go around seeking out immigrants and rounding them up, etc. etc. I am sure they hyped and distorted things way beyond reality, so YES, they did promote fear. I don’t see where they are innocent in any of this.
And, cameras can be made to show what the photographer wants. I am sure there were many other incidents like what happened to Lafayette. Logic tells, me, if it happened once, it happened more times than that. It also tells me they may have actively dissuaded photographers from capturing any of their more radical stuff. That I find shameful, as I do any sort of physical shoving or whatever of someone trying to take pictures. If the are out in a public place, holding a legitmate protest, it strikes me as not logical that they shouldn’t want ALL ELEMENTS of that protest captured on camera. To be selective in what they want shown, shows me they have an agenda they don’t wish everyone to know. they have succeeded in muddying things up as to whether they promote open borders or not, and I’m sure that’s their intentions. They want to get a mass following, and then achieve what they must believe is a critical mass, to help push their agenda in some way. Although, I can’t ever imagine anyone would go for the open borders approach. Every nation needs to have secure borders, and a right to defend its sovereign territory. MWB clearly doesn’t support that way of thinking.
Anyway, i think there’s probably ample evidence, that MWB did incite fear in its followers, and distort the truth to help incite even more fear than it should have. That’s my opinion, and I know others will disagree. I just don’t see them as being particularly helpful in this debate. I know others do. Obviously the 9500 Liberty filmmakers do – to tie this back into the original topic.
“enforcement-only techniques”?????????????????????
And what method do you propose to use?
Pay them to go back?
Hold group psychological counseling sessions where they are encouraged to feel it within themselves to go back?
A public education campaign in Spanish about how they should go back? A tax break if they go back? A free $150 remittance for every family that goes back?
COME ON. Playtime should be over on this issue. We either want to undercut the value of labor in America, and abandon our social contract to provide opportunity for our lower classes, or we do not. Count me in for “enforcement only”.
And PS where does “gassing people” come from? Can you not speak about this issue more honestly?
“From what it sounded like, they planted all kinds of scary notions in the minds of people, that police would go around seeking out immigrants and rounding them up”
they did … and I, for one, want to thank them for it. They did us all a real service in this regard.
“Anger typically masks fear. Road rage or random stranger anger are usually displaced emotions, but individuals who have issues with their anger are really scared. Bullies generally struggle to feel their own power in general and beat the heck out of smaller, weaker people to have some sense of this.” — Carol R. Doss, Ph.D.
GR, I think you may be stuck in the 2007 way of looking at what MWB was up to. Let’s face it. All of us were manipulated by Gospel Greg and Corey Stewart in 2007. They were winning the spin war.
Again, I don’t think it was necessary to exaggerate the impact the Immigration Resolution would have on these people’s families. Think about how important your family is to you. Imagine if you were in danger of losing track of one of your kids, or one of your parents. Not able to look after them. Not sure if they are safe. Not sure if you will see them again. No exaggeration was necessary.
As you and Rick and Lafayette can attest, exaggeration was not necessary on the HSM side either. There were many things that were impossible to live with regardless of what race, ethnicity, or legal status the bad neighbors were. Making this about race, ethnicity, and legal status was NOT necessary. And creating the false hysteria of gang violence, terrorists with ski-masks, leprosy, and MRSA was really, really, not necessary. It was overkill.
I won’t try to guess why Gospel Greg felt it necessary to do this. If you were him, and you could choose between the following problems (real and imagined) to motivate your base, which would you choose?
(A) neighborhood issues like noise, overcrowding and too many cars on the street, with the assumption that many of them are undocumented
(B) undercutting of wages when contractors hire undocumented workers
(C) infectious diseases that will destroy our population
(D) an invasion of armed terrorists with ski-masks who are out to kill elderly white people
(E) a sudden shift in crime patters where all criminals are Latino
A and B would be accurate. C, D, and E would help you become the leader of a very powerful movement of extremely frightened old people who are easy to manipulate and worship you.
Which would you choose?
@Rick Bentley
BVBL, Rick.
Enforcement only means rounding up people and shipping them out and doing what the first resolution attempted to do. We can’t throw people in jail because they are missing paperwork, for goodness sakes. We don’t have enough jails or cops. And we can’t MAKE people go back who have been here for years contributing to our economy. That’s not fair. We used them. We can’t abuse them. It’s not right.
I agree that playtime should have been over a long time ago. But it should have been done in a timely manner in a smart way. Our government wasn’t smart, and they are reaping what they have sown.
That said, I don’t think there is anything wrong with limiting immigration until we deal fairly with those who are here right now.
Cindy, excellent quote. Bullies are dangerous extremists, IMO.
And Corey Stewart and John Stirrup are part of that elitist group that do whatever they want to whomever they wish. ‘Protect OUR culture,” said Stirrup. He means HIS culture and the culture of elitism.
ShellyB – you can say MWB has changed since 2007 – but I don’t see any proof in that. I also think they manipulated things just as much as Greg and HSM. And, again, I have my doubts whether 9500 Liberty will portray that accurately – which is the point I was originally trying to make. I kind of drifted off of that point. If the film is about what happened in 2007, then it needs to portray MWB accurately, and portray how they incited disproportionate amounts of fear. Maybe I’ll be proven wrong and 9500 Liberty will show that – if so I’ll be glad I’m wrong and be happy to admit it.
Anyway, no one has shown me any proof that MWB has changed much since 2007. Last I looked at their website early this year – it still promoted this no borders agenda. And, Lafayette’s post shows even elsewhere than PWC, they engaged in some apparent dishonest tactics (trying to prevent someone from accurately documenting by photograph their entire setup).
I’m not going to try and play any game “if I were Greg” as ShellyB wants me to do. I know how many times in the past I was accused of being Greg or something, so I’m not going to walk down that slippery slope of making some choice in some hypothetical multiple guess questionaire taht starts off “if you were Greg what would you choose”. I’m not Greg, so I don’t have to choose!
Lucky Duck
I totally agree, Lucky Duck. I sat for hours at home watching those folks speak, one after another. I think they thought volume would help them and that is what democracy was all about. Not only did their leaders fail them, but so did the BOCS. They should have told them they had made up their minds before the 13 hour marathon. The entire display from start to finish, including those stupid announcements that cost the county 30k (yea yea yea I know it was from Corey’s discretionary funds) was just a sham.
Actually, Rick makes a point in his post. MWB, in inciting disproportionate fear in its followers, probably unwittingly helped give some the notion that they should leave PWC, or were extremely unwelcome here. I actually meant to mention that, but didn’t, and I’m glad Rick did. I wonder though if 9500 Liberty documents the fact that they actually helped convince some people to leave PWC. Surely that’s not what they intended? I would have thought they’d want to encourage people to stay, or to move here. Anyway, they helped shoot themself in the foot – and portray themselves as something that a lot of people would not care for – who maybe are even somewhat on the sidelines of the debate. It will be interesting to see if any of that aspect is documented by the 9500 Liberty film.
ShellyB, you make an interesting arguement in your ABCDE post but it’s not a fair one. On E, no one collated statistics on what proportion of criminals now or in any given year in PWC were Latino, or were here illegally, did they? On C, the fact is that well-established mechanisms like getting kids immunized and preventing TB break down when people don’t even speak English, and are not required to follow the same rules so long as they speak Spanish. Which is I believe pretty much the case these days but I won’t go into that speech again.
“Making this about race, ethnicity, and legal status was NOT necessary.” Well, really, it IS about legal status and about society through fiat granting special rights to those with no legal status. The average American can’t crowd into a flophouse aned claim everyone there is their cousin – our identities are tracked. Similarly, the average American is expected to pay taxes and not to engage in identity fraud.
“And we can’t MAKE people go back who have been here for years contributing to our economy. ”
We can – and we will.
“I agree that playtime should have been over a long time ago. But it should have been done in a timely manner in a smart way.”
I don’t believe in rewarding the illegal immigrants for breaking the law. Similarly, I don’t believe in ceding the fight against Amnesty to Ted Kennedy, John McCain, George W Bush, and the other traitors (my opinion of those three men) who have fought for Amnesty so long and hard, just because they’ve managed to create such an enormous mess already, but rather want to react forcefully AGAINST their wishes. I do not believe in rewarding lawbreaking at any level. I believe the Congress and recent Presidents should actually be held accountable for not enforcing US law. Bush in particular should have been impeached and should probably be jailed IMO for the farce he made out of this issue. “Amnesty by hook or crook”.
And let me again make the point that the mortgage fraud that contributed to our current meltdown was fueled by fraud, and that the culture of false identity and lawlessness associated with illegal immigration fueled that fraud.
I so greatly resent our laws and systems being shoved aside so that we can get lettuce a little cheaper, and McDonalds can keep paying slave wages, and so on and so forth.
I just looked at those pictures again. Everyone needs to understand that the socialist workers table had nothing to do with MWB. They show up at every demonstration I have ever been to. They have nothing better to do.
I don’t think MWB (the local group) is in any way threatening. They have been demonized by HSM for political purpose. I am not speaking of the ‘International’ group. Using that parent group was a way for local people to organize when they saw a threat. The parent group probably also helped out with some coordinators and giving the local people some sense of belonging. Very typical of any group espousing a cause.
It has always been my belief that the choice of names was very regretable and was not indicative of true mission. Regardless of what name was chosen, there would be those who exploited it.
@Rick Bentley
Regardless of what HSM members say, the blog is an arm of the organization. Nice try. When they are run by different individuals, then I might…might believe it.
Saying they are different doesn’t make it so.
Cindy, I think your quote explains Greg Leteicq’s selection of C, D, E from Shelly’s pupu platter of issue politicization.
As I said earlier, I think the reason for the fear propaganda was the looming election, and, the reality that cultural and demographic shifts were threatening to undermine Republican electoral advantages in states like Virginia and in counties like PWC. People who are afraid have predictable voting patterns. Notice that A and B are localized neighborhood issues. Those who did not live in the affected areas could not have been made afraid by A and B.
@Cindy B