To acknowledge that Jackson has received a coveted endorsement from the Virginia Education Association and to ignore this train wreck over on BVBL would be wrong. Letiecq’s recent discussion thread on bvbl.net, entitled – “Jeanette Rishell’s Bizarre Choice Of Used Condom Girl” is simply disgusting. And as a Republican, I find Letiecq’s behavior abhorrent. In my opinion, Letiecq’s behavior extends beyond simple petulance and clearly traverses the proverbial line that should not be crossed. And, while, I acknowledge that Jackson Miller has no control over Letiecq, he does have control over his own message. The only way you stop this kind of electioneering is for Miller to speak out in opposition. A footnote disclaimer on the bvbl website that Letiecq is not ‘part of the Miller campaign’ is not sufficiently acceptable. Granted, taking a stand takes moral fortitude because Miller could conceivably alienate some people. But Miller should ask himself, is it the right thing to do? In my opinion, Jackson Miller should take the opportunity to make a public statement so that it is known that he does not condone these tactics. John McCain denounced the Swift Boat attacks on John Kerry. And, I believe it is called for in this instance.

147 Thoughts to “Jackson Miller & BVBL/Letiecq”

  1. Alanna

    Poor Richard &LBH,
    Completely agree that Miller doesn’t need Letiecq. And, at this point Letiecq is doing Miller more harm than good.

  2. Alanna

    Emma,
    I believe the blog has been fair to Jackson Miller. Moonhowler congradulated him on the tele-conferences and a few months back even wished him a Happy Birthday.

    Let me fill you in. There are 4 of us posting topic threads here; Elena, Cindy, Moonhowler and myself. We are not always going to agree on all topics. But we treat each other with respect. And for almost 18 months we have worked very well together(thanks ladies).

    I assure you, there was no grand conspiracy to acknowledge him and then ‘back him into a corner’. Moonhowler felt strongly about the VEA endorsement, and I didn’t feel comfortable acknowledging it without mentioning the lunacy occuring on BVBL for Jackson’s supposed benefit. Originally, I put my comments as a footnote to the VEA thread but Moonhowler requested I move it to its own thread. That’s the history.

    And I see we now have a video on BVBL dedicated to this, and I’m just wondering at what point do you think Miller should draw the line?

  3. Thumper

    Miller’s last campaign wasn’t clean either. He was pretty vicious and his campaign people were mean. Or it could have been a combination of both. I just remember his capaigners as rude, aggressive and obnoxious.

    Miller needs to address these BVBL posts, I think. Everyone knows Greag is a Miller fan and that Miller has a long history of association with him and Help Save Manassas.

  4. Illogical Dog Slobber

    WAAAAAAHHHHH I ain’t getting no attention.

    Bad boys, bad boys
    Watcha gonna do, watcha gonna do
    when they come for you

  5. Last Best Hope

    Letiecq is kneecapping Miller with this perverted sleaze! How much you want to bet: Miller is more tortured by Letiecq’s sexual deviance and misogyny than any of you gals’a complainin’. The other thread was about a coveted endorsement, but 5 times as many people are interested in a salacious and supercilious attack, questioning whether Jackson Miller hates women too while they are at it. It’s an onslaught, but it’s targeting the wrong candidate.

    Why? The branch davidians who look to Letiecq’s blog for thinking points have already been provided ample reasons to hate all things ethnic, and all things female. Rishell being both of these things, a new vaudeville production of self disgrace and self titillation was not necessary and no, not of help to Miller’s reelection in any shape or form.

  6. Rebecca

    Don’t leave out the religious bashing of Mrs. Rishell’s faith. At least she isn’t out telling others that God has told her to hate Hispanics.
    Her church does much good in the Manassas Community.

  7. Elena

    Welcome Tom,
    The problem is that Greg would not know the truth if it hit in the face. Furthermore, what does this young woman’s facebook have to do with anything? Greg has taken, completely out of context and blown out of porportion AND fabricated, much ado about nothing. What, he can’t take on Ms. Rishelle by focusing on issue differences? It’s pathetic AND disgusting.

  8. Moon-howler

    Tom, The young woman in question is not running for office. Furthermore, you certainly are fairly loose with the definition of ‘truth.’

    Also, a little bird told me you were grousing that we didn’t let your comments go through. I checked. Elena checked. No comments. If they are here, must gone in as spam. We can’t control that. Sorry about that.

  9. JustinT

    How does Gospel Greg have any credibility or respectability left with anyone on this blog or anywhere? I challenge you to find one person who will put there own name to a vote of support for this crap.

    Gospel Greg takes a photo of something unsanitary and disturbing that a girl posted in order to protest and expose it to the public, and he makes that into just cause to call a girl a slut who masturbates in public!?! Not only is this kind of crap beneath Jackson Miller campaign, it’s beneath Greg Letiecq.

    A few years ago Gospel Greg took photos of dead rats and went around showing them to people trying to blame the rats on illegal immigrants. No one tried to distort what he was doing. He was trying to insight hatred toward a group of people he hates. Fair enough. But does showing a photo of a dead rat make him into a dead rat? Does it mean he killed the rat? Does it mean he brought the rats here? No. But that’s about how much sense it makes to take a photo this girl posted to complain about something disgusting she found in a hotel, and then try to pretend she is a slut. Letiecq is a scumbag, plain and simple and Miller is no better for contracting his dirty work out to a scumbag.

  10. JustinT

    For those who would criticize this girl for letting her photos out to “the public,” let me explain how Facebook works. Only your friends can see your photos. Others cannot seem them unless you are approved as a friend. Probably someone infiltrated this girl’s friends network with a fake Facebook profile and went through her photos.

    For the most part, kids on Facebook are just sharing their lives with their friends using status reports and photos, sometimes video. Things that they witness are not supposed to be used as ways to attack them. To me the only thing that reflects poorly on people is what they are wearing in their photos, or what they are doing. Riding that mechanical bull is not a sexual thing. What a scumbag Letiecq is for saying it’s masturbation. But the lesson here is that you have to be careful who you approve as a friend.

  11. @Moon-howler
    I just think that your associations are a reflection on you. And Greg is telling the truth when he brings up this person’s posts. If you think not, then I suppose you have the same feeling about Audra Shay?

    I just think that the attacks on Greg on this blog are so venomous that there must be more to them than meets the eye.

    If this person were merely a friend of a candidate, it would be irrelevant. The fact that she is her campaign manager is a different story. The left has used associations of the right as more than enough reason to hate the person, even if they are merely friends, in the case of Shay. The person making the comment on her Facebook was not her campaign manager. If it were, I would question her judgment.

    I am just saying that the response on here, and the hatred towards Greg is not a logical response to the post. And when you post something on facebook, it may come back to bite you. Friends or not. It shows a certain lack of maturity in this case.

    The bull ride was nothing more than a bull ride, I agree. And the placement of her hand was nothing unusual. But, pointing that out, perhaps a link to someone else riding a bull would be enough. I must be missing something in this little hate Greg festival. Isn’t he doing what a right leaning blog should be doing? Same as a left blog?

    If he were making claims he was fair and balanced, I would disagree. As a blogger myself, I find his comments and posts no worse than a lot of left wing blogs. His post on this one is not enough to sway a rabid supporter, but the more you know about someone the better, right?

  12. Elena

    Tom,
    Why don’t you do a little research on Greg if you believe he is so honorable. There is alot of history here. Greg’s M.O. is that he goes after people he doesn’t like viciously, mostly by posting inuendo’s and mistruths. This girl is the perfect example of those dirty politics. If this girl were YOUR daughter, how would YOU feel about some man, completely taking out of context, a photo riding a mechanical bull. Its plain gross to create this false reality that she is doing something sexual in public. What more do you need to know in order to be outraged. As a mom, I am outraged, as a woman, I am outraged.

    Let’s talk about a “certain lack of maturity”. Is creating a completely FALSE sexual story about bull riding mature? What about the title, “used condom girl”, is THAT mature?

  13. Elena

    and Tom, what have we said here that constitute “attacks on greg that are so venomous” ? Is it that we question why someone would make up a fase sexual story about a young woman or use photos to create a story that simply does not exist?

  14. An Ordinary Joe

    Actually, Justin, you can set a privacy feature which has different levels of privacy. Many people have no privacy restrictions attached so you don’t have to “infiltrate” in a lot of cases. I have no idea whether the general public could access her facebook page but it doesn’t require some conspiracy.

  15. Moon-howler

    Tom, I have no idea who you are talking about. This is not about left/right issues. It is about common decency. This young woman is someone’s daughter. Greg is deliberately twisting and spinning, as usual. Truth is irrelevant-as usual.

    You are free to defend him all you want. I suggest you will have more success over on your own blog. Aren’t you defending the ‘birthers?’ How on earth do you expect to come on a mainstream blog and have any credibility taking a birther point of view? Just curious.

    You might want to note that the people on Anti blog have varying points of view. Some are liberal, some moderate, some conservative. The blog owner is a Republican and the other 2 admins are Democrat leaning independents. I can see there is very little wiggle room on your blog for varying points of view. It all seems like right wing BS to me, no offense.

  16. Moon-howler

    No conspiracy, just a scum bag or 2 would do the trick as far as facebook goes.

    Obviously no attempt was made to do anything other than to use someone’s personal materials and intellectual property for the politics of personal destruction.

  17. GainesvilleResident

    JustinT :For those who would criticize this girl for letting her photos out to “the public,” let me explain how Facebook works. Only your friends can see your photos. Others cannot seem them unless you are approved as a friend. Probably someone infiltrated this girl’s friends network with a fake Facebook profile and went through her photos.

    No, that’s inaccurate. Facebook’s default settings is to let EVERYONE see your photos, not just those who are “friends” or in your “network”. AND, “network” can be the Washington, DC area.

    Again, she may have unintentionally allowed people “in her network” to see them, which if her network is set to Washington, DC – that would be anyone in the DC Metro area.

    I just wanted to correct this misstatement, you do not necessarily have to be a Facebook “friend” of someone to see their photos! Now, if she had properly selected just “friends” allowed to see her photos, then that is a true statement. My guess is she did not – and probably didn’t realize she didn’t. So it is most likely a misstatement to say that one of her “Facebook friends” leaked the photos – although a “Facebook friend” is very different than what most people would consider a friend – it can be someone you’ve never met except online.

  18. Pat.Herve

    Tom,

    Bringing out truths about candidates – I agree is a good thing.

    Do you think taking an innocent photo (mechanical bull riding) and turning it into a sex oriented photo is the truth??

    And taking a photo of finding a condom in a hotel toilet?? What is wrong with that? It may show some immaturity of the individual (actually, I would take a photo of it myself) – but it is ok to slam the person for this? I think not.

    And saying “well, that other site did this” is not good enough – I learned long ago, two wrongs do not make a right. And it is just plain decency and respect for individuals that is being lost in the US. GL could have made a better point far easier by being less confrontational, but then that would detract from his blog visits.

  19. Moon-howler

    Thanks for your input, Pat. I agree.

    The people of the 50th district have many issues that need strong leadership in Richmond. I am sure that Mrs. Rishell and Mr. Miller have a great deal to share with the voters in that district that doesn’t even come close to mechanical bull riding or dirty hotel bathrooms.

    Why is it that someone who fancies themselves to be such a great political pundit cannot discuss a single 50th district issue?

  20. As I said, my blog is, by definition, a right wing blog. Anyone and everyone is welcome to comment and I don’t moderate. I use Akismet to filter spam, but everything gets posted no matter the view.

    I admitted the bull is a completely innocent picture. I read Greg’s blog whenever I see a topic that interests me and found everything I have read to be within the parameters he intends.

    I admit I don’t follow the candidates in NoVa as there are plenty of bloggers on both sides. I spend my time living in Richmond and Tidewater, so I focus on the candidates here.

    And as for accusing me of defending “Birthers”, perhaps you didn’t read the post I wrote with a neutral eye. I simply said that if the “long form” exists, which it reportedly does, why not release it and put this whole thing to rest?

    Now, I am not defending Greg, he’s a big boy and does not need my help. And I don’t know the political leanings of folks on here other than reading these comments, so I apologize if this small sampling of opinions I have read led me to an incorrect assumption on the politics of this blog.

    My point is, there are many blogs, left, right, or center that intentionally use a lot of hyperbole and sensationalism. Often these blogs are over the top, but it is by design. I just don’t see anything Greg said as reaching the depths of depravity reflected in these comments. I am trying to understand, I guess, the history behind the disproportionate response. So, Greg looks at those he is against in the worst possible light and does not give them the benefit of the doubt, or cut them any slack. Sort of like the attacks on Sarah Palin, right?

    Greg uses the same approach to a lot of topics. As I look around this blog, I see a lot of critical comments and posts aimed at Greg, but what I am most curious about is, why did this post elicit such responses? It seems totally consistent with Greg’s other posts. That is what drew me into this. Perhaps someone could give me a reader’s digest version of the history, or is just a general dislike for Greg?

    Below are some of the comments that illustrate my point. I really do not see comments like these as being any different from Greg’s posts, if you see what I mean.


    it seems to me that he’s clearly off his rocker

    This kind of sexist hatred he shows here is a sad reminder of the days before the current blog

    Some people just have to bully others. They do not change. He has several bully minions also.

    Bullying is exactly what Greg is doing. I also find it comical that he priggishly castigates these subjects (very often women) but his prurient interest shines through in his obsessive exposure of their “crimes”.

    Jackson Miller is scum. HAs been and will continue to be.

    The attack on the campaign manager was cowardly and inexcusable.

    Greg is an obligation keeper Christian, not a Liberator Christian

    if Miller is secretly taking pleasure in these seedy misogynistic attacks that Letiecq perpetrates

    Anyway, I apologize for implying that Jackson Miller might take the same sadistic pleasure out of these attacks that Greg does.

    FYI – Greg has a huge ego and loves attention – good or bad – and will throw a blog fit, if needed, to get it.

  21. JustinT

    I know for a fact that she had the privacy setting on so that only friends could see her photos. But while we’re at it, let’s add “blaming the victim” to the list of assaults on a young woman that began with diseased sexual perversion and deranged political hate-slander. I learned in college that any man who is vocally against a woman’s right to choose had better be very cautious when expressing attitudes about women, sex, and reproduction. Especially in this case, when we have a false preacher targeting a women for sexual bullying, “blaming the victim” is another one of those things you ought to stay away from if you want to defend him. (If you don’t mean to defend him, but just want to demonstrate knowledge of Facebook, well, you’re right. But no one makes their photos public.)
    [edited per request of poster]
    @An Ordinary Joe

  22. JustinT

    Gainesville Resident has it right. Network is anyone in the DC area, which would be just about anyone. Friends only means only people you have approved as a friend. The young women who was targeted here had her settings at “friends only” which means the person who grabbed her photos was an approved friend. No conspiracy necessary to mistake someone for a “friend” on line.

  23. Moon-howler

    Tom, you are right, I didn’t read the article it carefully. I glanced and assumed. Mea culpa.

    You are correct that this blog is probably not where the Greg fan club will set up their offices. 😉 Many people here are former contributors to bvbl. I am glad that you did spot the sensationism. We believe campaigns should stick to issues. Hate is a strong word. I believe you can hate the behavior without hating individuals. We strongly condemn trumping up sensational stories just to trash someone. Greg’s ‘facts’ are often twisted and spun to suit his own goals. This case is no different.

    I would be one of the moderates. I probably do not share your politics. However, you have a very attractive blog with a variety of intereting topics.

    I did look up to see who Audra Shay is. I don’t have an opinion. I don’t know enough details to form one.

  24. JustinT Said:

    “I learned in college that any man who is vocally against a woman’s right to choose had better be very cautious when expressing attitudes about women, sex, and reproduction.”

    I think you misunderstand Greg’s stance on abortion. I think I am correct in saying Greg is Pro-Choice, except in instances where the life or health of the fetus is in danger.

    So put him down as pro-fetus, not anti-woman. Big difference.

  25. Elena

    Tom,
    I am not going to go tit for tat on blog commentors, that is surely a ridiculous tact. We are discussing what GREG wrote and fabricated.

    I suggest if these comments you have reposted here are the best you can come up with as examples of “vicious” than you may want to wander back over onto the dark side to really read what vicious looks like.

    I am wondering though, what exactly are you advocating. You freely admit that Greg has totally distorted the bull riding picture, and yet on the other hand you seem to condone these tactics.

    you said:

    “I admitted the bull is a completely innocent picture. I read Greg’s blog whenever I see a topic that interests me and found everything I have read to be within the parameters he intends.”

    To call this woman a “freak” and a “pervert” based on FABRICATED assumptions is simply morally and ethically very wrong. The intent appears to imply sexual misconduct and put her job at risk. Once again, how would you feel if she were YOUR daughter?

  26. Elena

    Tom,
    Maybe later I will try to do a summation of why so many of us find Greg’s tactics so distateful and repulsive. I am busy now with kids, but will try to work on something later tonight.

  27. Moon-Howler said:
    I would be one of the moderates. I probably do not share your politics. However, you have a very attractive blog with a variety of interesting topics.

    I do admit to an occasional (intentional) blasting of politicians, but I do my best to attack policy, not person. I also try to emphasize the positive for my candidates and the negatives for their opponents (while ignoring any positives). My intent is to provide a balance to the lefty blogs that do the same, not to mention the MSM.

    I am not one that likes to “take the gloves off” and get down in the mud and duke it out. But there are those that do. And I do read them, but I also see the flood of comments that result (like here). People like Greg and many others I won’t mention do manage to boil the pot. Good or bad, he encourages discussion and participation. And he is VERY good at that!

    I guess I just see his style as a part of the spectrum. And I love the fact that he gets people talking. Isn’t that the point of blogging? Or any media?

    A lot of newspapers have columnists that are so inflammatory to their readers that they get calls and letters daily. And hate mail. But it sells papers. Greg sells his views. And love him or hate him, you have to admit he is a master at the art of eliciting responses.

  28. GainesvilleResident

    JustinT – Ah, I love how I’m accused of blaming the victim. Nowhere did I say this is her fault, and you don’t even know what position I take on this. Actually, I am not taking Greg’s side on this – but just trying to say that I don’t see how anyone did anything underhanded on Facebook – I imagine that any of a 100,000 Facebook users in the Washington, DC area could have seen that picture. Also, I just posted a picture on my Facebook account – when you create a new “Album” it defaults to “Everyone”. I’m merely trying to point out inaccuracies in comments on this blog – which there are quite a few on a whole range of subjects. One of which is “blaming the victim”. I never said it was her fault – I said she may have inadvertently not realized her privacy settings. Thanks for trying to make it sound I said something I didn’t.

  29. GainesvilleResident

    Nevermind – I thought JustinT was referring to my post, somehow I didn’t realize another poster wrote about Facebook and he was addressing his, not mine. I take back what I said above. Actually, I see JustinT addressed my post in his next post. I was replying to the wrong post of JustinT’s – and thought it was addressed to me where it wasn’t. I was reading the forum in order and hadn’t seen the next post of his.

  30. Moon-howler

    Gainesville, you are trice forgiven 😉

    I w3ill vouch for GR. His is not letiecqing Ilana. GR, apparently Justin has some inside info he is not at liberty to share, would be my guess. Justin may tell me I am full of it this one and only time if I am incorrect. 😉

  31. Moon-howler

    Tom, Thanks for your clarification. I will try to get over and check out stuff on your blog now I know you are there.

    You are right. He sure does elicit a response. No argument from me.

    I try to be fair to all sides and to see all sides. You get shot at a lot from both sides but I am usually not accused of being closed minded, just very opinionated.

  32. An Ordinary Joe

    Well, I am not sure I was defending this Greg character. I just saw an inaccuracy about facebook and clarified.

    Is this blog really so accusatory that a simple statement is somehow meant as something else?

    Guess I will just keep to myself from now on if that is how the game is played.

  33. GainesvilleResident

    Thanks MH. As you know, I’m not on Greg’s side of this story – but I just was pointing out how Facebook works. Well, it just goes to prove, you have to make sure who you “befriend” on Facebook, I guess. More importantly, don’t put anything on there you will later regret. A distant relative of mine has stuff on there that would make what Greg posted look tame, by comparison. She, being of college age, may someday regret posting such stuff. Oddly enough, she requested me to be her Facebook friend, and I accepted, but then was fairly shocked to see what she had posted on her page, and that she even wanted me to see it. Just an example to say, there’s a lot of people out there posting stuff on Facebook they probably shouldn’t!

  34. Rick Bentley

    I don’t see how in this modern world he can reconcile his Christianity with this type of attack.

    Jesus befriended prostitutes; Greg wants to hound a young woman for something she wrote in college, and uses all his resources to falsely demean her.

    There’s still a segment of the American public, certainly, that would be up for witch burnings and stoning adulterers if they could and it would make them feel better about themselves.

  35. Elena said:
    To call this woman a “freak” and a “pervert” based on FABRICATED assumptions is simply morally and ethically very wrong. The intent appears to imply sexual misconduct and put her job at risk. Once again, how would you feel if she were YOUR daughter?

    Well, if you read my previous post it might give you a better understanding of my point of view. And you must admit that anal sex and condom photos, and the comments she left are not something you would want your kids to see, I am guessing.

    I do have a daughter, and I would be disappointed to see those pictures on her Facebook. And I am friends with both her and my son, so I would know. She is a senior and starts Med School next year. She is well aware that others might see what is on her FB page and as a doctor would not want any inappropriate photos. Especially since she is going to be a pediatrician.

    While Greg has his way of telling a tale, most of us are able to disregard the hyperbole and look at the facts. The questions of how he got the pictures, what language he used to describe them and the girl are side issues. If you are a checker at the local supermarket, a salacious photo or two on facebook is unlikely to make any difference. If you are running for office, or a paid worker, that is a different story. Many positions require a person to at least be of high moral character to do the job. Would you be happy if a day care worker or teacher that deals with your kids had condom pictures online?

    My thoughts on this matter are, if you ever intend to work in a position that requires responsibility and integrity, don’t do something this stupid. Act as if your Dad is looking at everything you post. Or your boss. And if you were asked to be a campaign manager, at least have the common sense to scrub anything that would reflect poorly on your candidate.

    Facebook is NOT secure. It is easy to fool someone into allowing you access as a friend. Google the person, go to Classmates, find someone they know that is not a friend. Use their picture, too. Create a FB account and request to be a friend. Send a note. Remember me from XYZ high school?

    My point is, in a never ending quest for friends, it does not take much. I have people I do not know as friends. I will never put something on my site I would not put on the open internet.

    I own a business and you would be amazed at how stupid some people are. I have received resumes from people with email addresses like SexyBitch4U and HotChick69. Now, if I were running a strip club I might respond, but emails like this are deleted. It tells me all I need to know.

    Now I don’t know this girl, and I have said before, she is probably a lot of fun, perhaps even competent. I would love to go to a ball game with friends and include her, or have a few drinks at a pub, but her postings show a certain lack of maturity and an element I find less than optimum for a campaign manager.

    Having said that, I do not know the relationship between this girl and Ms. Rishell. It could be that she believes Ilana had some wild times, got it out of her system, and is a different person now. Or simply didn’t know. But my guess is, people will continue to put stupid things on social sites and will suffer the consequences.

    I served in the Navy in the mid 70’s and, yes, alcohol was involved. I am thankful that I didn’t have a digital camera and a Facebook account because there were tropical ports and all kinds of stupid involved in my life at that most wondrous of times. For my own protection, I have to leave it at that.

  36. JustinT

    Actually Tom, “Weapons of Ass Destruction” is an example of a porn movie that we are supposed to blush about and decide where we stand on porn. That is pious Gospel Greg’s preference to include that porno box in his video.

    So, since we are talking about your daughter, the appropriate scenario would be that in college next year your daughter takes a stand on free speech along with many other students, and then a sex obsessed and gender biased dirty old man takes the opportunity to select “Weapons of Ass Destruction” as a good title to slap on your daughter in order to paint her as a slut.

    Still fond of the idea?

  37. JustinT

    And Tom, your daughter did not have anything to do with actually using a condom. Let’s be clear about that. Your daughter checked into an overseas hotel and found less than ideal standards for maid service. Pious Gospel Greg is plastering this photo all over the internet in order to paint your daughter as a slut and generate sexist judgement and hatred toward your daughter from fringe groups with complexes about human sexuality. So, your daughter was merely protesting unsanitary accommodation as a dissatisfied customer. She is then painted as a slut by a pervert with a sexual fixation in her.

    Still like the idea?

  38. JustinT

    One more thing Tom.

    Since we are discussing your daughter in the context of used condoms, public masterbation, and anal sex, how would you feel if a man old enough to be her father posted the picture she currently uses on her Facebook profile, just so everyone knows who to attach these associations to.

  39. Moon-howler

    I have a bad habit of defending the underdog. I have seen so many decent people harmed by this kind of twisting over the past couple of years, I went in and looked at the article that was used for some of the defamation text.

    It seems that the young woman wrote for her university newspaper. The various scenarios were NOT autobiographical. She was writing collectively about ‘a college student’ or if you prefer, ‘EveryStudent,’ the Universal Student. She was also on the debate team. There is plenty of raw material there. The article was about the efficacy and wisdedom of long distance relationships.

    Several generations ago, this young woman’s father would have buggy whipped someone for talking that way about his daughter. More to the point, a gentleman simply would not talk this way about a woman. Stick to the issues.

  40. Moon-howler

    Rick, I completely agree with you.

    Not so ordinary Joe, I am sorry, I haven’t been around as much. I also am down a computer–am on one I don’t like using. Some of our contributors have strong feelings. Sometimes some of us (and I include myself) can get too strident. Just remind us. I am glad you are here. You too, Tom White.

  41. Sorry, JustinT. This is not a free speech issue. The University of Rochester is a PRIVATE university and as such may refuse to buy porn for student viewing without fear of a Constitutional challenge. As a matter of fact, a State school could refuse to purchase the DVD’s and not quash free speech. Spending State money on porn so kids can view it is not a free speech issue. Now, if a kid was watching porn in her room at a State school, you might have an argument. However, if my daughter had supported her school buying porn, and Greg took her to task on that, or a future hospital or doctor’s group rejected her, I would have to say she will learn and not do something like that again.

    People really need to realize that you will be called to account for things you do. As I am a firm believer in personal responsibility, my daughter or any one else including myself must live by their actions.

    Now, as for my daughter, I have taught her well. She is brilliant and has always been mature for her age. She would vote against porn, I have no doubt. She has always had an eye on her future since 7th grade when she decided to become a doctor. Every class, activity and group she has belonged to was always with an eye on the future. She would not need Dad to defend her and I feel sorry for anyone that goes after her. But I do realize she is an exceptional person.

  42. JustinT

    What a pathetic reply, Tom. Are you supposed to be some kind of blogger? I don’t give a shit about whether free speech extends to private universities. The fact is that it has nothing to do with whether or not your daughter should or should not be pictured in a series of videos about anal sex, used condoms, and public masturbation. I guess old guys have a lot of tolerance for other old guys who letch on young women. But this is your daughter we’re talking about. Don’t pretend you don’t have an opinion about that. You wouldn’t stand up to little old Letiecq? Grow some.

  43. Elena

    Tom,

    So you believe her job qualifications should be questioned because she has a different opinion on what constitutes free speech?

    You also have not addressed the other issues of misconstruing a picture taken of a contraceptive device FOUND in a hotel bathroom overseas or her riding a bull for fun? For these horrible (major sarcasm here) transgressions she should be painted as a woman of ill repute and therefore villifed on a blog?!

    The point Justin T is making is that Greg has created this entire facade of sexual misconduct. The point Justin is making is what IF it were your daughter that someone was totally maligning for no other purpose than a cheap headliner in order to obtain high visitor numbers for their blog.

    You are clearly very proud of your daughter, that is wonderful, hopefully Ilana’s parents are too. Not every young person has a perfect record in judgement, our opinions change through growth and experience. That is called life.

  44. Justin said it was a free speech issue. I have the right to go into downtown DC and spew racial epithets on the corner in SE DC if I want. The government might not be able to shut me up, but I promise there are going to be repercussions. Namely, I will get my ass kicked.

    My answer was an attempt to show that just because you have a right to say something, you are not free from consequences. This is something my kids learned early. If my daughter supported porn on campus and put pictures of used condoms on her facebook, she is responsible for the fallout. The point being one must balance what you believe in and expressing that belief with the repercussions.

    I already addressed the bull ride. I said it was a perfectly normal picture of someone riding a bull. And in this country we have slander and libel laws. I would advise my daughter, if she was attacked without validity, to seek redress in the courts.

    But in this case, Greg has enough validity that any such suit will most likely be found without merit. I am sorry I don’t feel your sense of outrage. I am sure this young lady is smart enough and educated enough to defend herself. I guess that is where we differ. If she were a minor, or impaired in some way, I would feel the need to rise to her defense. I think it would be sexist of me to assume the lady cannot defend herself. It was not my intent to judge either her or Greg. I am simply asking what is it with Greg that gets you in a tither? Please don’t take my lack of outrage for this as approval. As I have said, I don’t know her and this is not my battle. And a hypothetical situation with my daughter is really not relevant. I have no desire or need to personalize this, and I understand what you are saying.

    Have you invited her to defend herself on this forum? She is free to do so, I assume. I also read that she is a debater, and I would assume quite capable of answering for herself. But if I were her, I would simply ignore the mud.

    Give her an invite. Does she know about this?

  45. An Ordinary Joe

    Although Moon-Howler, you didn’t need to apologize, after all you didn’t do anything that I could see. I noted that not only did Justin show a lack of some class in making the comment to begin with, he also did not apologize for his misinterpretation. I wasn’t raised that way, no matter how I feel about it. If I am wrong, I admit it.

    The more folks excuse the behavior and in some cases (as seen above) come to the person’s defense, the more it happens and the more people sound like they agree with those that approach. Not exactly inviting would you say?

  46. I have a theory that this is a sinister plot hatched by Ben Tribbett to sandbag Jackson Miller. This is the kind of desperate attack we see from failing campaigns in the eleventh hour when they are trailing by double digits. There has to be more here than meets the eye. Of course Letiecq would play the fool. But who sent him on the fool’s errand? That is what I would like to know.

  47. Alanna

    Tom,
    First off Welcome.

    Second, I’d hardly believe anything Letiecq states as fact. He’s the master of taking partial truths and then spinning them into something quite different.

  48. JustinT

    Okay. Tom, I got to hand it to you for consistency. You would not defend your own daughter if a sleazy old man used photographs stolen from her Facebook page to paint her as a slut who masturbates in public and celebrates anal sex. And, you’d spend the afternoon defending Greg Letiecq for doing the same thing to someone else’s daughter.

    I’d criticize the sleazy old man. You’d criticize and blame the young girl, even if it was your daughter. Nice.

  49. thumper

    Isn’t this the same Greg that has desbribed people here as masturbating with vibrators and discussed their sex lives peiods and other things? Maybe I have this wrong, but I seem to recall he has a problem with women and sex and can’t seem to separate the two.

  50. Poor Richard

    Give Greg credit – he knows how to yank chains.
    Imagine he he is very pleased with the attention and fuss –
    nothing like writing a vile posting and then sitting back,
    sucking on a cancer stick, and watching the reaction.

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