Around noon, Chief Charlie Deane held a press conference over the taser incident in West Gate Sunday before last. You may read at insidenova.com Overview:
Chief Deane said that unless new facts are discovered, the officers acted appropriately and within policy. The woman was not pregnant and is still in jail. A Spanish-speaking officer was one of the first responders. There was no language issue. The grandfather was released on his personal recognizance.
Because of the heightened media coverage of this story, Chief Deane wanted to dispel myths. There is a streaming video on insidenova but the sound quality is very poor.
From the New York Times:
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She’s not pregnant
The “church counselor” was cursing at police
The family acted like drunken idiots in front of their kids, refusing to comply with police requests to turn down the music
The family seems to feel that they are entitled to make as much noise as they wish in open air, and also need not show any identification to requesting police when they INEVITABLY show up
The family then deliberately spin misinformation to try to embarass the county – angry that Elias is going to get deported.
Here’s hoping that Elias gets deported, forthwith. And while we the people are at it let’s investigate the rest of this family.
Also i want to point out how stupid this family is. They claim repeatedly the woman is pregnant when she is not – exposing that they are deliberate liars concocting a story. Then they shamelessly tell a story so false and patently ridiculous that no one would believe it – save possibly the Spanish-speaking media. And they promulgate a video that shows just how LOUD this party was booming music and a large crowd of people comically partying in a small backyard. Here in America we usually rent a place for a party like that.
Whether these people are legal or illegal (and some are illegal), they are bad citizens, terrible neighbors, and laughable idiots. Their youtube video is comical.
This is becoming a new art among Spanish-speaking people in America – concocting sob stories and play-acting innocent for the gringo media or authorities. The grandfather can hardly keep a straight face while doing it, in the youtube video. His son Edgar by contrast is very polished.
I agree, they tried to say the woman was pregnant to gain sympathy. As she is not pregnant, that calls into question their whole version of the events. People don’t like it when the county is portrayed in a bad light – so they should particularly not like what these people did – to run with the story to Univision and make up a lot of false things.
To top it all off, they obviously thought it was just fine to play loud music blaring from concert style loudspeakers.
I don’t have much sympathy for people who lie and try to portray themselves as the victims when they were the ones that caused this mess in the first place – by holding a loud party outside and thinking it was OK to do so.
I’m sure though Univision won’t air any retraction to this story, and will allow their audience to keep on believing it was police brutality, etc. etc. and that the woman was pregnant.
Yes, and that’s fine with me. If the Univision crowd chooses to live elsewhere, or to regard PWc as anti-Latino, I can live with that.
But please don’t try to tell me that this is Corey Stewart’s fault, that this family’s existence as entitled a**h*les is somehow a reaction to something that somebody else did.
Spare me a big cryfest on the culture of fear among illegal aliens too. Some of them are attending big backyard parties with rented speakers, and grabbing police.
Do these finding surprise anyone? Did Chief Dean really have to come out to “dispel the myths”? Please, raise your hand if you believed the police went there, their version of the events…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VPRrHYn3TiU
I see, just ShellyB… Pinko, is your hand up, yes, no… yes. Okay, that is what I thought, just two people. 🙂
This reminds me of the woman who said the police beat her up while she was on the way to refinance her house. What ever happened to that? That was a while back and I’ve never heard of any charges, has anyone else?
When I say “the family” I suppose I should confine it to the grandfather, the son, and the woman who is about to be deported.
Also, I read a post on here somewhere about this event, that once again bemoaned the fact that due to the resolution, the county is once again portrayed in a bad light thanks to this event. No, it is all the fault of these people, that the county was portrayed in a bad light. The resolution had nothing to do with it. These people lied and spun a story of police brutality for the sole purpose of making themselves look like victims, and to portray Prince William County and the PWC Police in a bad light.
hello, you mean the woman whose brother supposedly watched the cops beat her up?
All this phony whining about brutality makes me angry. It is obvious to me that the Latino community in general tries to emulate the African-American community at every turn. They see black people as getting special rights by virtue of making commotion, and wish to do the same.
Fox 5 owes PWC, and our police, an apology.
Ah, learning the art and benefits of being disenfranchised. I’ve watched many engage…..
This also goes to show, don’t believe much of what you hear on the news. After all, the local Fox News affiliate lead off the story about how the cops tasered a pregnant woman! I doubt they’ll be making any retraction on that story either. Nice way to rush the story out without confirming if any of it is true or not. But that’s what the press does all the time of course, so this time was no different.
So we can add the local Fox News affiliate to the list of those to blame for giving the county (as well as the county police) a bad reputation.
How many other articles or broadcasts about PWC that occurred in the press or on TV in the past couple of years do you think were similarly “accurate”?
Very glad Chief Deane addressed this publicly and in a timely manner. He’s done a good job for PWC and has shown that he will stay ahead of the curve and be proactive about controversial situations like this. Let the courts decide the rest regarding the woman who was arrested, she’ll get her say and due process at that time.
Indeed, I totally agree with Rick on that. How much do you want to bet they don’t even retract their hugely inaccurate story?
Well when life gives you lemons, make lemonade. I say let’s embrace a new reputation as a county where crazed bilingual police taze elderly church counselors and pregnant women. My conscience is clear on this matter. In all honesty, such a reputation will probably improve quality of life.
GR, very true, pigs will fly before you see a retraction from Fox 5 or Univision. 🙂 Sensationalism like this does make me doubt a lot of what I read/see on the news.
“Let the courts decide the rest regarding the woman who was arrested”
Unless Obama, McCain, Kennedy, Graham, and the rest of these buffoons can ram Amnesty down our throats first.
Agree, it is apparent the folks drinking, playing loud music,
and trash talking the police were not “wise Latinas” but
garden variety obnoxious jerks. (Their actions and
the people who supported them have given
more ammmunition to BVBL & Company.)
Kudos to Judge Sonia Sotomayor – trust she will serve well
on the US Supreme Court.
I want to make up some flyers. how do you say this in Spanish : “Manassas is dangerous, the police will tase you, and you are better off in Fairfax or Montgomery County. There, you can live many to a house.”
Sotomayor doesn’t deserve to be where she is, and is clearly interested in using the law to her own ends, so she’ll fit right in with the other buffoons who populate our “Supreme Court”.
Well, despite what Fox reported I’d like to think that PWC police have a much better reputation than what was conveyed…. and that most would think about that twice when they heard it.
I would like to remind everyone that this blog did NOT take a public opinion on the tasing incident. We waited until the internal investigation was over, then posted the results.
I got the distinct impression doing catch up reading that someone implied we had taken a different path than the one I just described.
Should I make a macro now or will one time be enough?
So what’s your position now?
MH, you did say to wait til the investigation came out in the original post. And, if you hadn’t posted the results of the investigation here, I probably wouldn’t have known about Chief Deane’s statement as the news may or may not carry it. So, thanks.
Me? I think I said all along that when the police tell you to do something, do it. They own the power. They have the gun and badge. If you feel you have been wronged, file a complaint after the fact or get a lawyer.
I am not speaking for the blog. I am speaking for myself: I was not surprised at the results of the inquiry. I have spent the past 2 years praising the professionalism of the PWCPD. Why should I change my opinion because of a poorly made video of party goers. I have rarely seen a drunk who admits guilt to wrong doing.
This is not unusual. Party goers get loud, drunks get out of hand, drunks get tased, thrown in jail. Then they complain. Most don’t get this much attention, but occassionally they do. Let’s just say the ground was fertile for this type of charge. Someone thought that seeds would sprout and maybe even grow a cash cow. It just didn’t work out that way and probably won’t. Assy behavior is assy behavior, regardless of who is doing it. The home video was a joke.
IWK Manassas, you are more than welcome.
Well, I think Rick has a point there. There were many folks who seemed to celebrate the fact that PWC was the most racist county anywhere, and other things of that nature, as a way to allegedly show how bad the resolution was. I guess if you look at it that way, then it is a “win-win” situation if after seeing either the local Fox newscast, or whatever Univision says on this – that now we also are a place where police brutality takes place.
In all seriousness – Poor Richard makes an excellent point – it’s behaviors like what happened this weekend, and what has happened in the past at flophouses and so on, that has given Greg and bvbl so much ammunition. This weekend’s incident just plays more into their hands.
However, what I find particularly awful is the playing of the “victim” card, like these people were the victims, and then they even seemed to suggest that no one understood the police officers, when clearly there was a Spanish speaking officer present. I think these people still don’t even believe they’ve done anything wrong. I think this is a big example of why in some situations, no amount of “community services” is going to help – this being one of those situations. I also think, these people probably were hoping for a big police brutality lawsuit, so they’ve obviously become Americanized enough to latch on to our highly litigious society! I’m sure the ACLU or some other group was probably waiting in the wings ready to provide them free legal services too! This whole incident is a prime example of what’s wrong with our society in general, actually.
I meant to quote Rick’s post, not IWK’s – in my post above, actually. IWK makes a good point too.
People play the victim card all the time. Most of those who play are unwilling to assume responsibility for negative behavior. The other trick is to deflect wrong-doing on to another person to take the heat off. Every middle schooler in America knows how to do this quite well.
Some police departments handle this type of complaint better than others. Prince William County Police Department has an excellent reputation. They are known for being courteous, professional, and well trained. They can stand up to these kind of tests far better than many other departments in surrounding areas. This professionalism and striving towards excellence has started at the top.
I guess there are some people that only hate the police when they aren’t doing the “rounding” up they want, but other times LOVE them. HMMMMM, hard to know what pleases some people.
@hello
Hello, I have made no comment on the situation because we don’t know all the facts.
My name isn’t Obama.
🙂
Chief Deane is a great role model for the PWC Police Dept. Although there will always be a few bad apples no matter what the profession, I believe his officers know what he expects from them. He deserves the Kudos that he has always recieved from most of the people on the anti blog.
@Gainesville Resident
That was me on the previous post, GR. I will say again, this issue might not have blown up as much as it did, nor would have it received so much publicity, had it not been for the precedent the resolution caused. If it were not for PWC’s recent history, Univision might have turned down the story or at least waited until more facts were discovered.
I suspect we will hear more about this as more facts are uncovered.
@Elena
I agree. There are always bad apples and people who misuse their authority and ruin it for those like Chief Deane. Same goes for people who lie to get out of paying consequences. There will always be people like that, but that doesn’t mean the larger group is like that.
I still don’t think we know all the facts in this case, so I’m reserving judgment.
@Moon-howler
“Party goers get loud, drunks get out of hand, drunks get tased, thrown in jail. Then they complain. Most don’t get this much attention, but occassionally they do. Let’s just say the ground was fertile for this type of charge.”
RIGHT! Our recent county history is the reason this story made it to the top like it did.
I’m not sure what happened to the quote above, the last sentence of Pinko’s quote ended up after my post.
Actually, I think the facts are out – basically these people tried to trot out the victim/race card and failed miserably. The media as usual got ahold of the story and blew it out of proportion as they usually do, for the sake of those all important ratings. It just is what I’ve said all along, don’t believe anything you read or see in the news media, as more times than not, the real story is quite different from what they’ve portrayed.
I don’t see that anyone here made any negative statements about the police, actually, so I don’t understand where those comments are coming from. I also notice in a few posts by a certain subset of posters there’s the old business about trying to link anyone who takes a certain view of things as bvbl or HSM members. Wow, that is getting tiring.
I doubt if any more facts will be uncovered. The investigation is over. Prince William police officers followed policy and acted appropriately, according to the chief, based on internal investigations.
Now that’s something I can agree with. The police have had their press conference and told the results of the investigation. Any other “facts” that come out – undoubtedly will be from the other side, and we’ve already seen that they lied about several things (the woman being pregnant, that the music wasn’t loud, etc. etc.). I can forsee them trying to rebut the statements made by the police with further “facts”, but doing so will only make them look more silly than they look now. It will be interesting to see if they take it further or let the matter drop.
Maybe you guys are right. –sigh–
I hate cases like these. I find myself saying, “Please don’t let it be true the police used excessive force!” and “Please, don’t let it be true the family lied!”
The family members did lie about some things, however,and that is very disappointing. They didn’t help anyone’s cause by doing so.
That said, a police report doesn’t tell all. Recall the lady that was charged with obstructing justice and resisting arrest who was found not-guilty in court.
Wow, everyone more or less agrees? That’s no fun.
Can we get one of the Mexicans Without Borders people to come post on here? Somebody to argue with.
Pinko, you really don’t know why that case was dismissed. (nor do I)
I suppose you could do a FOIA. Don’t you think it is odd that woman never filed a complaint against the department?
Rick, are you going to recruit someone? Let me know so I can go to a different blog. I don’t want to have to referee.
“Hello, I have made no comment on the situation because we don’t know all the facts. My name isn’t Obama.”
I must admit, that was a good one…
Sorry Pinko… I take it all back. Please don’t report me to [email protected]!!!
By the way, has anyone even checked into the Obama white house DIRECTLY asking people to report their neighbors/friends/family that may say or make a POLITICAL statement that may or may not be accurate concerning one of the presidents POLITICAL views!?!?!?
This is not right. This is the same thing Nixon was doing to anti-war demonstrators back in the day, because of that, there is now a LAW AGAINST IT! Where are all of the hippies from back then? Where is the outrage? I don’t get it, if you were pissed about what Nixon did back then, how is this any different?
Can anyone tell me how the white house asking that anyone who hears or sees, or gets an email from someone that doesn’t conform to their POLITICAL views (basically soliciting spies to snitch on POLITICAL rivals) different from what Nixon did or, even more recent… this http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/bal-te.md.spy18jul18,0,5659230.story
The hippies were all stoned and didn’t know about it. I doubt that Pinko was old enough to be concerned what was going on during the Nixon years. She was barely born.
See? There’s good reason why I used to have dreams when I was a kid that Nixon was kidnapping me. It was foreshadowing of things to come… I never did drugs and knew early on we should all be paranoid. (If you’re not paranoid, you’re just not paying attention.)
Hello, I need to take a look at that story later after I do annoying things like go to a doc’s appointment and Wal-Mart pharmacy for the billionth time. (I hereby declare I will boycott Wal-Mart’s pharmacy as much as possible in the future.)