The following interview with Anabel Park and Eric Byler was on tonight on Channel 4:
106 Thoughts to “Film Turns Camera on Prince William County Immigration Debate”
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Good for Annabel and Eric!! That’s awesome. I like how they tied it to the healthcare hysteria. It really is similar, isn’t it?
On another note, got home after seeing Torian and Lopez at Committee 100 in Lake Ridge. One of the first questions the moderator asked both candidates was whether or not the resolution negatively impacted the local economy. Both said yes.
Those two were a class act—total gentlemen to be respected. Their campaigns were positive and we would benefit from either of them making it to the VA House of Delegates.
Glad to see the guy doing the interview agreed that Chief Charlie Deane was one of the heroes of this film.
Excellent interviews! The documentary does an excellent job depicting the unfounded hysteria of PWC’s immigration debate. Chief Deane is one of our state’s finest public servants, in the tradition of great Virginia statesmen. Proponents of the resolution like Greg Letiecq are shown to be liars and cowards, and are disgraces to our state and community.
I wonder what the folks in Maryland would think about the view brought by this film. They started out as a sanctuary state, but reality slowly forced them to take more of a stance as did PWC. I wouldn’t be surprised if they eventually come up with their own ‘Resolution’. Time will tell. BTW, for ‘security’ no drivers license are issued over the counter any more at the DMV. Why do you think that came about? Can you say identity theft/fraud, and who do you think they are guarding against? The very people that this film supports!
Second Alamo,
How do you see the removal of the “probable cause” mandate from the originial resolution?
Starry, I do not often side with Letiecq on social issues, but a “coward” is one thing he is not. He took a lot of criticism for what his organization did. He showed
leadership and took responsibility. Better perhaps to say he was a bold and innovative community organizer with whom you happened to disagree.
Alamo, Maryland changed their drivers license to comply with federal law, not to violate it. There is a crucial difference there that I hope you will come to understand. The trend is going the wrong way for you I’m afraid.
In the words of Charlie Brown – “Oh, Good Grief!”
Another heated, hydra headed national issue is about to land
on the City of Manassas. Planned Parenthood apparently plans
to demonstrate across the street from Pro-Life folks near
the women’s clinic on Sudley Road this Saturday.
Let me see, do we have everything, a highly emotional keystone
issue for many with both sides feeling selfrighteous and
under siege by sinister “others”? Check. One that could draw
a number of folks who simply want to act out and get publicity
and those glad to film/record it? Check. a sure way for
Manassas to get its image tarnished, no matter what it does?
Check. (Lights, action. Imagine Greg L. will be there – Anabel
and Eric?)
Oh, and The Annual Fall Festival in Old Town Manassas
is this weekend. It is free family fun, including the popular Chainsaw
Chainsaw Chicks – you don’t want to miss them.
Second, the stringency at DMV is because of homeland security.
I am not quite sure what you believe the view of the film is. I would be more comfortable talking about the reality of the film. Some of what some in this county wanted to do simply wasn’t legally possible.
The Wizard of Beck
By DAVID BROOKS
Published: October 2, 2009
Over the past few years the talk jocks have demonstrated their real-world weakness time and again. Back in 2006, they threatened to build a new majority on anti-immigration fervor. House Republicans like J.D. Hayworth and Randy Graf, both of Arizona, built their re-election campaigns under that banner. But these two didn’t march to glory. Both lost their seats.
Over the years, I have asked many politicians what happens when Limbaugh and his colleagues attack. The story is always the same. Hundreds of calls come in. The receptionists are miserable. But the numbers back home do not move. There is no effect on the favorability rating or the re-election prospects. In the media world, he is a giant. In the real world, he’s not.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/02/opinion/02brooks.html
The Republicans have not yet figured out that illegal immigration is a losing issue, and that Limbaugh and Beck do not speak for the majority of Americans – even conservative ones.
Poor Richard,
What surprises me is that the City would stupidly, yes, I said stupidly, issue 2 permits for 2 different groups at the same time. That is just asking for problems. Back in the early 90’s when Virginia NARAL held demonstrations, only one groujp was issued a permit at a time. The one time that didn’t happen, the City said they had learned their lesson.
This is not new. It just was not productive for the pro choice groups. I expect many people lost interest because when Bill Clinton came in to office, most pro-choice people felt that reproductive rights were more secure. The VA NARAL also made a decision not to hold future demonstrations because of the danger the distraction caused. There were several fender benders because people were looking that demonstrators rather than at the traffic ahead.
I feel certain that Eric and Anabel have no interest in an abortion rights rally in Manassas. I expect they think that is probably more up Gospel Greg’s alley than theirs, if they even know about the demonstration.
I would agree with Last Best Hope. Letiecq is not a coward. He took a stand about something he believed. I simply do not agree with his methods.
LBH & M-H, a coward, Greg is NOT. I would say that same thing for anyone that’s willing to stand up and speak out for what they believe in passionately.
@Last Best Hope
He’s a bully and he’s mean as a snake. Doesn’t take moral fortitude to do that.
@Moon-howler
Yeah, why would they set up a confrontational probability like that? Free speech is a great thing, but there is a time, place and method for it so it doesn’t put anyone at physical risk. Let’s hope any protesters have brains enough to be human to each other. If not, they are going to invalidate their own causes.
One of the challenges in handling a local manisfestation of a
large and heated national issue for a small jurisdiction is
having the legal and public safety resources to cover all the
bases – often in a small time frame. There are major
First Amendment issues in play – on both sides. It is my
understanding the groups are to be in two different locations
near the clinic. The city’s primary responsibility is maintaining
public safety for everyone.
Protesters on the side of a major road is a distraction to drivers and most certainly does effect public safety. This also, applies to those congregating at 7-11’s with their loitering. They should have to protest on one on the courts/side streets in Forestwood. I see many people slowing down and not paying full time attention to the road when they drive by this location as the pass the praying protesters.
That is private property and NO one is supposed to be protesting on private property. I don’t think patients going to medical offices over on Forestwood need to be battling their way through protestors on a daily basis.
I didn’t realize that. However, protesters/loiters on the side of the road are a distraction to drivers. I hope I don’t get caught in a traffic jam or accident on my way to the Farmers’ Market in the morning. 😉
I understand the desire politicos have to call people who do reprehensible things “cowards.” But one thing I admired about Letiecq was he would take on ANYONE. When he and Corey Stewart went after Chief Deane on trumped up “treason” charges, that took a lot of courage. It offended just about every man, woman, and child in the county, but it took a lot of courage.
Also, I agree with Lafayette, everyone who spole before the Board deserves credit for standing up for what they believe in. I don’t care if you agree or disagree, that’s a fact.
M-H, well at least Greg L. and you agree about something –
Manassas government “acts stupidly”. Detente?
Poor Richard, The City used to handle it pretty well. I am sure there are new people on board since the early 90’s who do things their way.
They also haven’t had to deal with conflicting groups, that I am aware of. They used to switch off, giving different ‘sides’ equal treatment. That is how they avoided the first amendment issues.
The local clinic owner used to love the protestors. She considered them to be free advertisement. She said they saved her a fortune in advertising fees. That probably wasn’t their intent.
Either side of the street is dangerous because of the traffic lights. Drivers are looking at protestors and don’t realize the light is red and the stopped cars are piling up. And one ‘side’ isn’t more dangerous than the other.
Probably not for the same reasons, I am sure, Poor Richard. I occassionally agree with Greg. Actually, I feel the City used to handle the issue of competing protestors very wisely. I hope they do not start issuing permits for both sides of the street. Someone always has to cross over to annoy the other side. It is counter-productive.
If I were in the protest business, (and I am not involved in this in any way other than to comment) I would prefer to do different times of day or different days for the prime spot.
For the record, I don’t think the City acts stupidly in most cases. I just think issuing 2 permits for the same time on an emotionally charged subject is ‘acting stupidly.’ Back in the early 90’s, when the City tried that approach (because of technical error, as I recall), they said it would never happen again. Too many people whined and complained on each other.
Poor Richard, the City can’t escape its contribution to much of the brouhaha it’s created. The Council appointed a committee to study the regulations and guidelines for abortion clinics. Perhaps that move may have been fitting in the Bush era, but last November’s vote signaled a change. Expect more protests from abortion rights advocates – at least equal time. Had a particular council member not pushed for more regulations, perhaps Manassas wouldn’t be targeted. I also remember the massage therapist issue where most neighbors had few objections to the zoning request, but the sexual orientation of the applicant became an issue with a certain segment of the community. And then there was the definition of family. You can’t submit to intolerant elements in the community and then expect to escape with your reputation intact.
Manassas has many good things going for it – the upcoming festival is just one of many, but it hasn’t handled all issues well. (Although I’ll give the City great credit for letting the sign issue play out as it should legally.)
Lafayette, I don’t think loiterers attract near the attention that lady liberties and fetus posters attract. Totally different issue. Fortunately on this side of town, the 7-11 isn’t on the main drag.
“Censored”
– Although strongly urged to adopt new measures relating to the
clinic, but the council didn’t.
– The massage therapy home business was approved.
– The “definition of a family” was in force for less than a month
and the actual impact was minimal. While the goal of
limiting overcrowding was good, the method to achieve it was
flawed.
– Manassas does have many good things happening, but as a
dynamic diverse community with many viewpoints, there will
always be a debate on the high button issues of the day.
I don’t see how the City Council can really enact much dealing with the Clinic. Isn’t that under control of the State, like any other medical practice? That would just be begging for a lawsuit.
The Council acted wisely to let that one go by. Who was pushing for it to take action?
@ PR
@Last Best Hope
LBH, why do you think it takes courage to merely offend without producing something positive? People like GL stir things up because they get off on it. Look at his blog bragging. “Driving liberals crazy.” That’s his intent–to drive people crazy. And he does it to all kinds of people, not just those he labels “liberals.” It’s self serving, not courageous. It’s a form of power mongering and a means of controlling people’s emotions.
We all offend. Are we all courageous? How did it take courage to insult Chief Deane when that offense was just outrageous and unfair to a model leader?
GL does the same thing the “shock jocks” do. He just stirs people up, doesn’t offer solutions, aims to hurt people and targets some of the most vulnerable. You speak of him like he’s someone to admire. No, offending people doesn’t make one courageous. Doing what is right and just takes courage. Doing what Chief Deane did takes courage.
That connection is pretty convuluted between 7-11 and the craziness that happens during anti choice protests. The bloody signs, the yelling, the praying, etc etc, doesn’t seem remotely similar to people hanging out simply waiting to find work.
Do protests even work? Do they ever change people’s minds? I feel we live in a different age that requires different strategies for change, no matter what we are trying to change.
I could not agree more. Standing up and risking his job to courage and I will always admire Chief Deane for his willingness to risk being honest during a time when the atmosphere was quite scary. He is the real symbol of courage!
“The courage of life is often a less dramatic spectacle than the courage of a final moment, but it is no less a magnificent mixture of triumph and tragedy. A man does what he must- in spite of personal consequences, in spite of obstacles and dangers and pressures-and that is the basis of all morality.”
– John F. Kennedy
Look how it worked it the health care debate! Politicans went running scared!
Go JFK!!!!!
But politicians were running scared about town halls in a confined space where they were supposed to speak. I think that’s a little different, don’t you?
Do you think politicians will run scared of two opposing protest groups over abortion, especially when there is probably an equal number on both sides?
Sorry ladies, but people on the side of the road are distraction to drivers. I’m saying “people” not singling anyone out. My stance applies to all groups “gathering” on the side of the road.. True the day laborers aren’t carrying sings, but that’s the extent of it.
@Lafayette
Want to protest the protest? 🙂
@Posting As Pinko
We could do it at the same time and add an extra level of fun!
I would have to agree with Lafayette, when you have 20 or so guys hanging out next to a 7-11 it IS a distraction. I like about a mile away from the one on rt. 1 and I’ve seen near misses almost on a daily basis of not only car wrecks but cars hitting pedestrians. When a truck pulls into the 7-11 parking lot you have 10 or 15 guys that all run up to it and surround it. That is distracting to anyone who is driving by, myself included.
It’s only a matter of time before someone, probably even one of these day labor guys gets hit by someone wondering whats going on…
Elena, how close do you live to one of these sites? Do you see them every day or even multiple times a day like I do?
Perhaps Lafayette is suggesting that Greg is taking on day laborer tactics?
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Elena does not need to live near a 7-11 to know there is a difference between demonstrations at women’s clinics and day laborers looking for work.
There is no comparison.
I was just wondering if she even sees what goes on at these 7-11’s on a daily basis. It seems to me, and correct me if I’m wrong, but most people here who seem to know the most about day labor sites don’t even live near one or even see on every single day.
“Elena does not need to live near a 7-11 to know there is a difference”
– translation… she lives nowhere near a day labor site nor does she see one every single day.
“There is no comparison.” – okay, since you seem to think there is ‘no comparison’ how many times a day do you pass by a day labor site? Do you live next to not one but two of them?
I said only that Letiecq is not a coward. Compared to Deane and the leadership of the PWCPD, of course, Letiecq and Stewart are boys among men.
And as for protests and whether they work, I believe that depends on the demographics of the protestors, and how things are reported in the media.
@Lafayette
I have been saying that about car washes!!! They are the ones who seem to SCREAM! LOL 😉 Or the people who try to collect money in traffic (i.e., fill the boot, etc.)
and that was in response to your 12:28 post.
Hi Red Dawn!
I am denying impromptue day laborer sites are unwelcome, I am just making an observation that there is no comparison between one and the other.
People on the side of the road is distracting to drivers pruposeful or not is just that a distraction. Right, no comparison, because they are one in the the same..a distraction to drivers.
Red Dawn, those run away shopping carts are distracting too! 🙂
@Last Best Hope
Ooops, sorry LBH. I thought someone use the word “courage.”
I will argue with you about the word “coward” then. Those who show up wearing military gear saying they will come back with guns…those who try to intimidate by posting personal information on blogs…those who thrive on over-powering the vulnerable….they are cowards. They resort to the lowest tactics known to human kind, the same type bullies use when they steal lunch money from the short kid in class.
Of course you can believe what you want, LBH. These are just my thoughts on the differences between terms. You know how I get about terminology.
Hi Elena 🙂
Lafayette- not at SHOPPERS FOOD as I found out-LOL!!!!!!!!!!