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Wow. The interviewer was very fair. I guess Fox business is not designed to be a right wing news channel?
I thought Eric and Annabel did great. No demonizing anyone, no rhetoric, just honest heartfelt answers.
Impressive interview. I liked the bar back drop. Eric and Annabel did a nice job of summarizing the various turns of events. What was the interviewer’s name? It was nice to not feel like they were getting foxed.
Well, so to speak about getting “foxed”, that interviewer was quite attractive, one might even say “foxy” . I crack myself up sometimes đ
The interviewer certainly seems able to far “out Fox” their normal cadre of
blonde bimbos. Interesting.
– No doubt the film makers think 9500 Liberty is a catchy title even if it
is in he City of Manassas and the driving focus of their story is the
“resolution” iimpact in PWC. Guess taking a little license for publicity is
OK even if it means trashing Old Town Manassas. And yes, I deplore
the name Help Save Manassas. for the same reason AND Fernandez
and his damn sign(s). All PWC opportunist, who came to our
community to vandalize it in service to their massive egos.
Oh, if immigrants become scared and fled the area, how come Manassas
City schools have a higher Hispanic student population this year than
ever before? Por favor.
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Poor Richard, That continues to be the question of the century. The school hispanic population in the county did not change much either, if at all. I started checking this out in 2007, 2008 and again in 2009.
The great mystery? What some of us think is that most of the people who left were the single men who were following the housing industry. I don’t know if we are right or not but what else could it be? Those were the youngish single men who didn’t have kids. I don’t see people fitting that description around the neighborhoods either.
I think the Resolution “succeeded” in slowing down the Latino population growth. It still grew, just not by as much. The businesses that failed probably suffered also from the fear in the air. It wasn’t always enough to cause people to abandon their homes, but it was enough to cause them not to go to the mall ot go out to dinner.
I would like to know more about other jurisdictions who passed laws from FAIR also saw economic down turns in the localized way we did. These were a few years earlier so it’s harder to blame on the George Bush Economic Crisis.
“I would like to know more about other jurisdictions who passed laws from FAIR also saw economic down turns in the localized way we did. These were a few years earlier so itâs harder to blame on the George Bush Economic Crisis.”
LOL! That’s all. Just LOL!
Mando, you can laugh all you like, but then there is also research, fact-checking, and/or educating yourself on the issues you like to talk about so much. You are free to choose of course.
CONGRATULATIONS GUYS!!!
The collapse wasn’t Bush’s fault even though it happened on his watch. Bush trusted his oiler advisors and the whole deregulate Wall Street so they can rip off Main Street economic theory just didn’t work out. Now we know. But if anyone actually hoped that Bush might understand global economic forces or the drawbacks to massive securities fraud, it was their own fault.
Still, it makes some sense to blame Bush for an economic collapse that happened under Bush’s watch, at least more than to blame Obama.
Cool. Point me to some “education” that helps me to understand how the economic crisis was Bush’s fault. Please. While you’re at it, point me to some “education” that ties PWC’s economic crisis to this “resolution” you speak of.
I totally missed the whole deregulation of Wall Street thing. When did they dismantle the FDIC and the dozen other govt controlled entities that do that kind of stuff?
So, I guess no leader should be held responsible for the state of the nation during their watch, or is it just republican presidents?
Mando, okay, so the buck stops with who then? I didn’t realize you’d missed the past nine years. Maybe it’s best if you just stay in your bubble. But one thing you could try is reading or watching journalistic reporting rather than Fox News and Greg Letiecq’s blog. I’m only guessing but that could be part of the problem.
Riverside, New Jersey went through the same economic cycle that we did. Due to a wave of anti-immigrant hysteria and a harsh law or two, Riverside fared much worse than surrounding areas for a while, just like we did. But this was a year before our sad story took place. They repealed their anti-immigrant law just like we did, too, FYI.
You resent the FDIC? Wow. I guess you are fond of massive financial panics where people rush the banks to get their money out before it all disappears.
But if you are really serious about catching up on a decade’s worth of history, someone else should provide it. I don’t know where to start.
Bad assumption on the journalistic reporting. I partake in neither. Where exactly are you getting your info on the economy at large?
It’s funny how you accuse me of something you are fully entrenched in.
The Riverside economy was based on an industry that was going extinct. Anti-Anti-immigrant hysteria aside. Some industry rely on black-market labor to compete with the likes of China. I neither hate nor love that. It’s just an economic reality. Without it, the industry dies. A better question is why do we still subsidize industry that isn’t feasible in a non-3rd world country?
Resent the FDIC? Where and the Sam Hill did you get that? JustinT claims they were dismantled. I’m just trying to find out when that happened. That news hasn’t entered my bubble yet.
History and misinformation are two separate thing. The truth is there are no facts pointing to what you suggest. The housing boom and bust is the real culprit. Not the boogey man.
When did I say that? I take issue with only blaming those with whom you are politically opposed to. Ignorance is bliss I suppose.
Here we go with Riverside again. I’m quite familiar with that area as I have family near by. The whole economy in Riverside was based on the rapidly fading industry around there – the closing of the Philadelphia Navy Shipyard, and other manufacturing industry that was dying a slow death long before the idea of “illegal immigrants” in that area even existed. The press as usual decided to stir up the myth that it was all due to the the laws passed, even when the town was dead even before the laws got passed. People as usual decided to believe the distortions of the liberal media, and buy into the theory the collapse of the town’s economy was due to laws passed in regards to illegal immigrants. People who know the area know that the whole story was a huge distortion by the press.
Indeed, it is good to point out that the 9500 Liberty filmmakers, Greg Letiecq, and Fernandez all took advantage of the Manassas name or the 9500 Liberty name and used it for their own gains. Why didn’t they use Prince William County? Because for some of them they liked the association of Manassas and the Civil War, as an example, and it sounded more catchy. All just part of them appropriating the things within the City for their own purpose, without any thought to the damage it might due to the city’s reputation.
It only stands to reason the county with the most affordable and lowest cost housing and a higher percentage of lower income residents would fall the hardest and the fastest in terms of foreclosures during any economic downturn. Why this is ignored repeatedly – it is because the liberal press would like everyone to believe it is all because of the resolution. And, there are plenty of similar areas in the country WITHOUT any resolutions that fell just as hard, in comparison to their surrounding areas, another fact that is ignored. The press worked hard to create the myth that the resolution was the reason for PWC to fall faster and harder than surrounding counties, and lots of people bought into it hook, line, and sinker.
The “resolution is the source of PWC’s housing woes” also fails to explain recent statistics showing PWC’s housing recovery is faster than surrounding counties.
That’s a great point. Quite frankly, the 9500 Liberty Crew was much more successful at installing fear in the Hispanic community then HSM ever was.
If we’re all being honest here, why are they so revered? Fear mongering for ratings is bad no matter who does it right?
Actually, I believe there was a good deal of fear mongering by groups who were on the side of the immigrants – such as MWB for example. They helped promote all sorts of paranoia about the resolution if you ask me. But somehow no one seems to want to acknowledge their role in this.
And on the topic of the housing market in PWC, how about blaming some of the greedy Hispanic real estate agents who sold houses to Hispanic folks who obviously had no way of being able to afford those houses – by setting them up with companies willing to make no documentation loans or crazy adjustable rate loans that were going to balloon in 5 years or so.
THOSE are the ones more to blame than the resolution for PWC’s housing crisis. Again, when there’s a population that wants affordable housing, but can’t necessarily afford it – and there’s a feeding frenzy of bankers and real estate agents (many of them targeting Hispanics for these kinds of loans) they are the ones who set up and created the problems in PWC’s housing market. And some of them were Hispanics that apparently had no problems taking advantage of other Hispanics! Those are the people that everyone should be angry at, but instead the press finds it much easier to just attack the resolution as the cause of PWC’s housing problems. Some articles in Washington Post so much distorted the problem with housing in PWC, to make it sound like the resolution was the ONLY cause of PWC’s housing problems. Totally ridiculous, totally unfounded, yet they printed it anyway.
I always thought that if Greg wanted to perpetuate fear in the community, he ought to have been very happy about what the 9500 Liberty Crew did, actually!
I see 2 organizations: MWB and HSM. If there was fear mongering, check there.
Then there was a blog that dealt with immigration and 2 film makers that have a special relationship with the blog. I sure didn’t see any fear mongering from where I was sitting. I saw economy parties and building relationships with business leaders. That seems to me to be a positive thing.
The events that have been sponsored by this blog or by 9500 Liberty had more members from HSM in attendance than it did members of MWB. Imagine that.
Mando,
The Immigration Resolution stated that illegal immigration has caused economic hardship and lawlessness in the County. Where was the evidence for that? During that time frame we had a low unemployment, high property values, etc… Are we to believe that ridding the County of ‘illegals’ would have an economic benefit? Sure sounds like that’s what the resolution suggested. Tell me where are the economic benefits? Our housing prices have dropped significantly. In fact, some of these neighborhoods have lost 40% of their home values. And our crime rates higher now.
Alanna, the PWC resolution might have had some impact, but the evidence
points far more to our general economic problems. Areas with the same
demographic/economic patterns outside PWC have had the same experiences
(Sugarland Run in Loudoun and the southern Rt. #1 area in Fairfax, for example).
I’ve never suggested black market labor (illegal aliens) promote economic hardship. On the contrary, I’ve stated several times that black market labor is like economic crack. There are gobs of economic benefit to black market labor. You have an almost limitless supply of cheap labor as a resource, that, by the way, can work below minimum wage and tax free. That’s bound to super-heat any economy (China??).
That’s the free market working despite (and because of) regulation (minimum wage laws, farm subsidies, etc.).
One could also argue the economic benefit of slave labor.
But it all comes at a cost.
Housing prices ballooned 400% in my neighborhood during this period of reckless abandon. Are you telling me housing should still be at those overinflated values?
What a foolish statement both of you Mando and Gainesville Resident. How many immigrants do you suppose have high speed internet access? I think they were frightened most by what they heard through their own channels of communication. Somehow they were all able to know what was happening, but it was not through the Internet.
I swear. The stories that Leteicq/Stewart apoligists try to construct become more preposterous every day.
@Alanna
Excellent points Alanna. The Resolution claimed to be motivated to achieve certain goals regarding public safety and the local economy. Well they passed the Resolution and the economy went in the tank and our crime rate went up and our public safety went down.
No wonder the Letiecq/Stewart apologists are always coming up with preposterous stories to filibuster a conversation that just isn’t going to go your way. When history is not on your side, make something up to attack the messenger. Does that really work? Maybe for a while but not in the long run.
And here’s the sticky widget. You “legalize” all that illegal labor without fixing the reasons for it (minimum wage laws for one) then you take away their marketability. This in turn, will do what to unemployment? Increase it almost in proportion to those we just legalized.
To summarize -> The demand for black market labor will still be there regardless of how much you increase the roles of the legally employable.
Richard, I know it’s easy to think big picture and assume that PWC was just caught up in the national economic crisis, but if you look at the data, in particular for the period during which our immigration fight was boiling over, you see that we were doing A LOT WORSE here in many categories compared to our neighboring counties:
http://www.cra-gmu.org/forecasts.htm
Look at the reports from late 2007 and 2008. At one point they had to redraw the home foreclosure chart because one county, ours, was so many times worse than all the others. There wasn’t room for us on the chart.
How ever much you want to look the other way, the fact that we went into the crisis earlier, sunk deeper, and came out later, has got to have an impact on our long term economic health as a county. The numbers say it all.
You really have no argument. None.
I meant to say early 2008. Of course by Sept. of 2008 we were more worried about global trends than local ones.
Here is another case to consider in Riverside, NJ. They had their local economic meltdown a year ahead of ours, and they repealed their immigration laws as a result just like we did:
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/26/nyregion/26riverside.html
Here is something else that brings this all into focus for those who want to really understand the economics part of this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8LQA29OIgvE
Jacobi is a Republican by the way.
They had their economic meltdown earlier because the local economy that employed all these people tanked earlier. NY Times article completely distorts the whole thing, as anyone who lives in that area and knows that area well will tell you. My relatives who live nearby in Burlington will tell you the real story, and it has not a whole lot to do with immigration. Just because the repealed their immigration laws does not mean those immigration laws caused any economic meltdown. They really were doing anything they can to bring people back into the town – to try and breathe some kind of life back into it after all kinds of people, not just immigrants, lost jobs and left the area due to the closing of huge factories that used to support things like the Philadelphia Naval Shipyard for example.
Hey Witness Too. Read my lips. Illegal labor is economic crack.
The repeated attempts by certain idiots to label those they disagree with as “Letiecq/Stewart” apologists are weak and laughable. Typical – slap a label on those you disagree with when you don’t have anything more intelligent to say. Yet you dislike the use of labels and complain when people are labeled that you agree with. Normal illogical behavior by some on this board. Get over trying to associate everyone you disagree with as being an ally of Greg Letiecq. At the same time many on this blog insist it isn’t done anymore, yet here’s another shining example of that by one of its contributors! The hypocrisy at times by some on this board is laughable.
No wonder people like you keep trotting out the same old “Leitiecq/Stewart” bull****. In your world everyone not on your side is a Letiecq/Stewart apologist. Just as hypocritical as people labeling every Hispanic as an illegal – which you protest loudly about but don’t see the hypocrisy in your sillly “apologist” statements, or just as much as you and others protest the phrase “illegal/alien apologist” which I have never used. You are drowning in your blatant hypocrisy.
As new immigrants, why are Asians, on average, far more successful than
Hispanics in reaching early academic and economic success in this country?
Different language and customs, a history of prejudice ( you don’t have
a Chinaman’s chance), but, by comparison, they fit right in. Perhaps
the Hispanic immigrant community should spend more time looking in
a mirror rather than pointing fingers and attacking the people they, univited,
decided to come live beside. A film on this topic would be interesting.
And keep believing that NY Times article about Riverside. Nice to know you swallowed it hook, line, and sinker. NY Times – that bastion of accurate reporting respected all over the world! One can write a book on all their inaccuracies and distorted claims. Unless you are a liberal and then of course everything they right is complete fact.
“everything they write is complete fact” – don’t know how that typo got there.
A very interesting point – why can’t the Hispanics emulate the Asians more.
WT says the crime rate went up and pegs it to the resolution. That’s silly – everyone knows in bad economic times the crime rate will go up. What a shock! But of course, grab a statistic, peg it to whatever fits your agenda! Also cherry pick crime statistics – crime didn’t go up across the board, some crimes aren’t really trackable from one year to the next – any police organization will tell you that, or the numbers are so small that a 1 year increase in sample size is meaningless. But that’s what’s been done with the crime statistics in PWC, on both sides to fit their agenda, when probably all changes up/down have little if nothing to do with the resolution. Again, typical distortion to fit one’s agenda.
The book “Outliers” has an interesting take on why Asians have a leg up on success. Rice paddies and their numeric system. Rice paddies because they require alot of manual and cerebral effort to successfully cultivate and harvest and the numeric system because it lends itself to early development of mathematical competency and proficiency.
And also, and this is important – I’ve read several reports of how the local gov’t was inundated by e-mails on the “get rid of the resolution side” by groups in who wanted it voted down – who were far far away from that area. This is just like what was claimed was done here in PWC by FAIR, except it was by people on the opposite side. The local gov’t caved in by the deluge of e-mail, only to find later on that most of that wasn’t even from people living in NJ, let alone within the town! It would be interesting to see if people though that was fair.
Interesting – Asians have as a group always excelled in math compared to Americans as a group – some thought it was the way math is taught in their schools, but that is an interesting take on it that I never heard.
I guess I’ll go back to bvbl – I’m sure WT thinks I’m a regular there since he’s labeled me as a “Letiecq apologist”. Nice to know things haven’t changed on here in 2 years – people still label those they disagree with as allies of Greg, having their thoughts controlled by Greg, etc. Have fun talking to yourself – as after awhile it tires hearing the same old utter crap about being a Greg apologist or whatever the label of the day is. Thought this blog’s posters had moved beyond that nonsense, but apparently not.
Mando,
Thank you, I’ll look for a copy of “Outliers”. It sounds like an interesting
book. Why do Asian – East Asian immigrant students jump to the front of the
class in math and computer science, almost always ahead of every other
group including native whites? Being an immigrant isn’t an excuse
for failure or whining and clinging to a ” We are poor little victims!” sign.
Poor Richard,
What are your thoughts on one of the original posts you made, i.e., The Baltimore Sun and the opinion piece railed against Italians in the same way Latino’s have been villifed?