Rep. Perriello from the Charlottesville area voted for the Health Care Reform bill. Today officials and the FBI are looking in to how the propane gas line at his brother’s house got cut. Political opponents had posted his brother’s address on a website, thinking the address was the congressman’s. According to msnbc.com:
From NBC’s Pete Williams
Virginia officials, aided by the FBI, are looking into how a residential propane feeder line was cut at the home of the brother of a Virginia congressman.Investigators have reached no conclusions about how or why it happened. But the line was cut after the home’s address was posted on a blog and a Facebook page, both maintained by members of a local Tea Party group who thought it was the home of Rep. Tom Perriello, a Virginia Democrat who voted in favor of the health-care bill.
One said, “This is Rep. Thomas Stuart Price Perriello’s home address,” and added, “I ain’t holding back anymore!!” The other urged readers to “drop by” the home and “express their thanks” for the vote.
The cut in the gas line, which runs from a propane tank to a gas grill on a screened-in porch, was discovered Tuesday, the day after the address was posted. When they realized that it was incorrect, the operators of the blog and Faceboook page took the address off.
The chairman of the Lynchburg, VA, Tea Party, Mark Lloyd, told NBC News, “I learned what happened after the fact. We made an official statement on our Web site,” saying that that his group “did not request, sanction, or endorse” posting the address, which appeared on a different Web site.
Tea Party member Nigel Coleman, who wrote one of the Internet posts, told the Charlottesville Daily Progress that he was shocked when he heard about the incident.
Rep. Steny Hoyer reports that threats have been made to around ten Congressmen and women who voted yes to HCR legislation. Shepherd Smith reports that he is waiting for an update from Capitol Police.
Please note that the material for this post comes from both MSNBC and from Fox News. Unfortunately incendiary rhetoric meant to gather the troops sometimes sends some of them off the deep end. All of us, regardless of party affiliation or ideology must be mindful of our audience and what we say. Civil debate becomes increasingly more important. Shepherd Smith gave one of his fierce admonitions about settling political unhappiness and discontent at the ballot box. I feel certain there will be footage of his remarks. I will post them. One bad apple can give many black eyes.
It goes without saying that any remarks like that would be removed from this blog. However, no one here would post like that either. The blogosphere does have the responsibility to maintain civil discussion.
From Danville News’ staff writer Catherine Amos:
Danville and Lynchburg Tea Party activists mistakenly posted the address of Rep. Tom Perriello’s brother online Monday to invite others to “drop by” Perriello’s home in Charlottesville and “express their thanks” for his health care vote.
The Washington, D.C.-based political newspaper Politico reported Monday a Lynchburg Tea Party member posted the address, which he believed to be Perriello’s, on his blog. After seeing the blog, Danville Tea Party Leader Nigel Coleman posted the same address on his Facebook profile, which is not limited to only his Facebook “friends.”
“This is Rep. Thomas Stuart Price Perriello’s home address,” Coleman wrote Monday. “…I ain’t holding back anymore!!”
When Coleman learned the address was actually Perriello’s brother’s — Politico reported he and his wife have four young children — Coleman commented on another blog that the mistake was “collateral damage.”
“Do you mean I posted his brother’s address on my Facebook?” Coleman wrote. “Oh well, collateral damage.”
Coleman has since removed the post on his Facebook page and said Tuesday his choice of words was “definitely in poor taste.” He said he was not aware of anyone actually visiting the address and said this was not an organized effort by the 5th District tea parties.
“A lot of us who are tea partiers, we communicate through social networks,” Coleman said. “One of the other tea partiers in another group put up an address and said it was Tom Perriello’s address and several others of us put it up on our Facebook pages and Twitter accounts.
“Turns out that it was not in fact his address, it was his brother’s. That was not something we were going for. We just wanted people to get a little closer to their congressman.”
Jessica Barba, spokeswoman for Perriello, issued an e-mail statement Tuesday about the incident.
“We’re glad tea party leaders took down the address of the Congressman’s brother and small children,” Barba said. “We hope that, even when we disagree on politics, we can agree about basic principles of decency and privacy.”
Lynchburg Tea Party Chairman Mark Lloyd posted Tuesday on the group’s Web site — which is not affiliated with the original blog post — that the group did not request, sanction or endorse spreading the address. Lloyd did not respond to an e-mail Tuesday afternoon.
Coleman said their intention was not to harass anyone, but “if we can take this message to his front doorstep, we will.”
Now is not the time to bring ‘truth to power’ in such a manner as it doesn’t change anything and only provides fodder for the oppisition.
Now is the time to allow the judicial system to work and hope that it protects us. Failing that we have two options. 1. 34 states are needed to call forth a constitutional convention with which Congress can’t interfere or 2. Elect those that swear to overturn HCR.
We have to allow the system to work as it’s intended and use all legal means to get unconstitutional laws to be nullified.
In the mean time, I’m fattening myself up to get my government issued lapband and tummy tuck.
This is crazy, there just are no other words to describe the hysteria over health care reform. What the hell is wrong with people that they think when they don’t get their way they are entitled to bully the other guy. I’m sick of these thug tactics. STAND up Republicans….Say something!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I talked to a lot of people today who are very happy over it.
Do we just discredit these people? Marin, why do you think you are right and these people are wrong?
@Moon-howler
In what respect? HCR or telling people to use all legal means available and not use violence to intimidate?
marinm – I’ll be standing there making sure you do not take my son’s healthcare away from him for your abstract ideas of “protection”
Don’t want to pay any taxes? I hear the moon is open wide.
Elena, hope springs eternal with you that the Republicans will someday come to their senses and tone the rhetoric down. The opposite is happening. The “real” Republicans are “standing up”….however those who have a sense of decency, ethics, morality and common sense are exiting …LEFT.
Marin, about health care. Lots of people are delighted. Happy. They feel like for the first time they will be able to have affordable health coverage.
Its quite an eye opener when you pay your own.
If I gave you my house of course you’d be happy – you got something for nothing. Will you appreciate it? No. Since you didn’t earn it you will allow that house to decay. With people insulated from the moral hazard of paying for their own healthcare and health insurance we will have more people that take less care of themselves and then expect a doctor to ‘fix’ it. They’ll want pills – lots of pills (notice big pharma was OK with HCR). They’ll want whatever procedure the guy next door has. They’ll want antibiotics for everything which will cause us to need/use stronger antibiotics as drug-resistant strains increase…
I went to the doctors today and overhead a woman complaining to the staff that they wouldn’t process her tricare and medicare paperwork for her. She said that they’d been doing it for the last 10 years but that the policy changed on 1 JAN and she couldn’t understand why they wouldn’t do it for her. When you do things for people or just give them things they don’t appreciate it. She did not appreciate that her claim has to be processed by the doctors staff and that those people need to be paid and that until the doctor gets reimbursed that he’s doing the work for a promise of payment later. Again, no appreciation whatsoever.
And of course this doesn’t even touch on this being all paid for by the productive classes. But, I guess the middle class can afford it, right? After all they are Congress’ piggy bank.
Finally, the idea that Congress can TELL me what to do based on a ‘commerce clause’ is disgusting to liberty and freedom. What next – Congress telling me who I can and cannot sleep with because my sperm are good quality? Or, that my wife is a good breeder so the economic stabliity of the future can be enhanced by mating her with someone else? The possibilities are endless if the arguement that the commerce clause is allowed to effect those that choose to opt-out.
But, what they hay – right? We’re just taxpayers that need to be told what to do, what to think, and who to be with becuase we can’t be trusted with pesky things like free will or liberty.
My son has a condition called hydrocephalus. Come 18, he would be unable to get his own under the old system because every so often he needs brain surgery to replace his intra-ventricle shunt. If my husband lost his employer provided insurance, we would be unable to get insurance for him because of his condition.
Straight to HELL with all the people who want HCR torn down. Let it be their children who suffer to see what it is all about….or their wives, husbands, sisters, brothers, parents, lovers, friends….Screw them all if they take it away. May they get it back in return THREEFOLD.
what do they expect? When you wind someone up over an issue, and then let them go (or direct them towards a mission) – people will do stupid things. Those is charge know this, and should be held responsible, although that would be hard to prove.
marin, better lay off the Pasta, just because you might be eligible for a health plan does not mean that it will cover elective surgery. Also, the plans are not government issued, they are private insurance companies offering an insurance plan – big difference.
“Finally, the idea that Congress can TELL me what to do based on a ‘commerce clause’ is disgusting to liberty and freedom. What next – Congress telling me who I can and cannot sleep with because my sperm are good quality? Or, that my wife is a good breeder so the economic stabliity of the future can be enhanced by mating her with someone else? The possibilities are endless if the arguement that the commerce clause is allowed to effect those that choose to opt-out.”
Oh boo-hoo. Poor people get assistance that we ALL pay for in taxes. Yeah – they must have it SO GOOD to be on medicare/medicaid. Imagine the life they live.
And FYI, if you own a home you are required by law to have it insured…same with a car…..In fact the law requires us to buy many things, to contribute to many things…..Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, etc. All intended to help people out in times of need. But hey, eff them, right? Compassionate conservatism is the right way…..if they cannot afford it, they don’t deserve to live. And these are the people who call themselves “pro-life” Sickening.
And lastly, the constitution says nothing about the right to be married, but hey, some people are denied that right….c’est la vie.
We all pay for it too when poor people not covered by medicaid walk on their hospital bills and never pay for them. We pay increased premiums and we end up over the long haul paying higher taxes.
Bubba has given us a very real situation, straight from her heart I might add. Her husband is pretty much locked into his job as I see it. God help the entire family if his job should fold. It is great to stand on how things should be…until it happens to you.
There are many real life problems out there that just don’t fit into the Ozzie and Harriet mold. Thank you for sharing your story Bubba. Everyone needs to pay close attention.
@Pat.Herve ” Those is charge know this, and should be held responsible, although that would be hard to prove.”
I absolutely agree with you. Our leaders should be held responsible for stripping us of our rights, slowly but surely. Unfortunately, some people will be provoked beyond anger when they lose their essential freedoms and self-determination. The administration should be mindful of that and try to moderate their actions just a bit.
“Bubba has given us a very real situation, straight from her heart I might add. Her husband is pretty much locked into his job as I see it. God help the entire family if his job should fold. It is great to stand on how things should be…until it happens to you.”
@BUBBA
“Straight to HELL with all the people who want HCR torn down. Let it be their children who suffer to see what it is all about….or their wives, husbands, sisters, brothers, parents, lovers, friends….Screw them all if they take it away. May they get it back in return THREEFOLD.”
Guess, I’ going where it’s HOT!
I agree BUBBA and see your point as Moon pointed out, that a pre-exsiting condition is something we need to CHANGE. I AGREE that we NEED HCR but my FAMILY and I have PRE-EXISTING CONDITIONS, such as a mortgage and other LONG term loan/obligations that we must deal with and have had to revamp quite a bit to maintain to keep, due to the economy. We have higher grocery & gas cost, lower income due to cut backs and still SWIM!!!!
SO, I’ll take the ticket to where it’s hot since we haven’t been able to afford a vaction since I don’t know when.
I just know that things could be a lot worse and am very, very grateful for what we still struggle for to have. I REFUSE that now, WE could be facing fines and forced to particpate to BUY health insurance/ANYTHING.
What will you say, that would make me feel better about change, when I have had to CHANGE our budget around just to get by? And don’t tell me that I would probably qualify for a subsidized plan…because we wouldn’t. WE are stuck right in the MIDDLE CLASS, were we don’t make enough for those benies and don’t make enough to care about spreading the wealth around….ALTHOUGH we GIVE to many in need and would do anything ( just about, lol) for anyone because we have big hearts. ( So, I don’t want to hear that it’s not about caring….)
I would like to point out that Not Me Bubba has not asked for anything for free. She just wants to be able to continue with the status quo. What happens to people who have chronically ill family members? What happens when we lose our jobs? What happens if you get sick and can’t work? What becomes of that health care?
Let’s at least try to see why someone might see the health care bill as God-sent.
And can I then not ask for people to see this bill as the spawn of Satan?
I don’t think it is going to cost people more. However, I have been thinking about Not me, Bubba. I have been blessed with healthy children . I have paid into a plan for years. No way I have ever gotten out what I put in. That’s insurance. That’s how it works. And if I have to pay 5 more bux a month for someone with a chronically ill child, so be it. Maybe I won’t chip into the fuel fund with Washington Gas if I do that.
It is probably time to stop listening to the scary parts that opponents want you to believe. I pay for my own now. I am in a unique position to make that claim because my employer is no longer footing the bill.
Marin, and I don’t mean this to be mean, but after hearing Bubba, did you even have a twinge of guilt? Did you feel just a tiny bit selfish?
Nope. Not in any way. But, I will bite. Why should I feel guilt or selfishness?
Thank you for sharing your personal story bubba.
NotMeBubba said–
“And FYI, if you own a home you are required by law to have it insured…same with a car”
So for my last post I will just point out that NotMeBubba is a bit wrong. You have insurance on your home because it is a requirement to get the mortgage by the mortgage company, not law. The mortgage company wants to make sure its investment is covered. It is optional since you don’t have to enter into the mortgage.
A car’s insurance is only required required for liability to protect another party if the car is operated improperly. It is optional to own a car but the insurance is not required to protect you–you may have some responsibility to the lienholder of the car, but the law is only to protect a victim of your mistake.
I suppose then it is optional to live if you want to use that same train of thought but that is the constitutional question–that the government can make you buy something just because you live.
You don’t even have to pay social security taxes–if you work for the government or some other equivalent retirement system. I never paid social security taxes while I worked for the Federal government.
So while I empathize with your legitimate fears about you child, try to see through your opinion that people are trying to do bad things to you and your family. The same things that you like in the Health Care could have been done without taking over healthcare.
Now the last thing, I doubt you would hear any person say that they did not want preexisting conditions covered. The issue isn’t over that issue, or the issue of dropping insurance if you become sick. Everyone agrees with it. The issue is more fundamental about freedoms.
Gee I am so glad I happened to get on today to see this conversation.
I will now bid you all adieu and wish you well. I will look in from time to time but this is really my last post. I could not let NotMeBubba’s inaccurate post to stand without challenge.
“I agree BUBBA and see your point as Moon pointed out, that a pre-exsiting condition is something we need to CHANGE. I AGREE that we NEED HCR but my FAMILY and I have PRE-EXISTING CONDITIONS, such as a mortgage and other LONG term loan/obligations that we must deal with and have had to revamp quite a bit to maintain to keep, due to the economy. We have higher grocery & gas cost, lower income due to cut backs and still SWIM!!!!
SO, I’ll take the ticket to where it’s hot since we haven’t been able to afford a vaction since I don’t know when.”
I didn’t even have a honeymoon…vacation???? Are you kidding me??? yeah, we have a mortgage too, in addition to restorative speech and OT therapies my son needs (hundreds a month), as well as utilities and incidentals, car payments, etc. Sing me a song and cry me a river.
A car’s insurance is only required required for liability to protect another party if the car is operated improperly. It is optional to own a car but the insurance is not required to protect you–you may have some responsibility to the lienholder of the car, but the law is only to protect a victim of your mistake.”
Okay, try and get your registration then without insurance…
“Now the last thing, I doubt you would hear any person say that they did not want preexisting conditions covered. The issue isn’t over that issue, or the issue of dropping insurance if you become sick. Everyone agrees with it. The issue is more fundamental about freedoms.”
Yeah, the freedom for my family not to have to suffer and DIE because we lack care. HOw else is it about abusing your freedoms???
you can, but only the utterly depraved will see your side…all about THEM (selfish!) and less about the common concern and decency for fellow man.
I believe everyone now has to pay into social security. If they don’t, someone needs to take a snowshovel to the head of every member of congress. I expect every American in the program if they work. Social Security started in the early 1930’s. Why on earth was the federal government, the largest employer, allowed to not participate?
The president needs to pay into SS, so does everyone.
Bye Rez. Stop in when you are able.
So, you know, Wolfie, the Federal employee paid more in retirement out of their own paycheck than someone on social security. They were also not permitted to get social security.
NotMe, Bubba, I suggest you may want to calm down unless you like to sound this way. I said owning a car is optional did I not? I said the law only kicks in when you own one, did I not? I also said that living may be optional to some people’s thought but this health care legislation requires you to do something just because you live.
I also said that we would all like to see your family taken care of–and it could have been done without the requirement for everyone to buy insurance.
So perhaps you may want to make the supreme mistake of actually reading what I said.
I am glad to be done with this.
Bubba, I am not my brothers keeper nor do I expect you to buy me a pair of shoes, a new car, or healthcare for my family.
I am not entitled to your work or your property and you are not entitled to mine.
Not only do we not ask for anything for FREE, shit we pay through the nose for things insurance will NOT cover. We pay, damn do we pay. I used to work, but since my son’s surgery and the rehabilitation he needs, I CANNOT work. Ferrying im to and fro to therapy, and then taking care of his brother…who could work? Who would hire me? My son with the condition is 4, his brother is 1…and his brother has shown signs of what his brother suffers from, not conclusively, but enough that we’re taking him to a neurologist for review and a MRI. His speech is affected…so add that to the bill!
We pay, and that GOD almighty we have insurance. But we had to choose this year between two plans. A PPO that cost more and covered less (thereby reducing my husband’s income for the first time EVER), or by opting into the HMO…the HMO that has already denied payment for a surgery my elder son had AND now his speech therapy…that they were once covering. Now they say it isn’t medically necessary….shit in shinola….no one understands him if they don’t know him.
We pay, and we pay in full, but a small break would be nice. Lower costs, more care, the end to endless BS paperwork and appeals.
Yeah, your freedom and mine is important, but isnt the freedom of our children and our children’s children also important? A world in which choosing between going to the MD and going into financial armaggedon is the norm?
So spare me your outrage. These are PEOPLE who will be affected, all the moaning and bemoaning your measely extra tax if you make over 200K a year falls deaf on MY and my son’s ears.
Really, some of you should look into why Social Security was put into place…it was so we didn’t have destitude elderly people begging on every corner and turned into the cold in ever city and town in the country.
I am just so disgusted with all the rhetoric. I was VEHEMENTLY against the war in Iraq from the get go, but I didn’t get to choose to spend BILLIONS upon BILLIONS there now did I? THe disaster we call health care in this country DOES effect everyone. Was this the best bill, NO, but it’s the best we have right now. You know what the difference is between car insurance and health insurance, you’ll NEVER NEVER NEVER NEED car insurance if you don’t have a car. One person on this blog right now, ONE person, raise their hand and tell me you don’t have a body? Anyone…..anyone……anyone? Oh, I see no one has raised their hand, because we ALL have a body, and self preservation dictates that when we get sick we seek help. Guess what else, you don’t get to control when you get sick, the human body is funny that way. Do people see where I am goin’ with this one. IF you don’t have health insurance and you get sick, YOU WILL SEEK HELP. When you don’t pay the entire bill up front, YOU jack all of our prices up. When YOU go bankrupt, YOU jack all of our prices up. When people get to choose whether or not that exist in a human body, THEN they can choose NOT to have health care.
Dying because you CAN’T afford health care is unacceptable in a civil society. There but for the grace of G-d go I!
Then take yours and shove it. But if you or someone you love falls ill….sorry, I don’t take chickens as payment and you can watch them die in your “freedom”
“I said owning a car is optional did I not? I said the law only kicks in when you own one, did I not?”
Good luck not having one. Our society is set up so all must have one. Public transport is a joke. Hell, even the immigrants who come here manage to get cars because without them, how will they work?
And excuse me for the emotion, but you are all speaking about your “freedom” and I have a son who needs care. Is he not also free to get care? Or is that too much to ask? Life liberty and the pursuit of happiness….without the care we get for him he isn’t having any of it. Healthcare is a human right. Remember that the next time you go to the MD and be thankful you have it.
I have to say this then I am out for the night…for all who follow a Christian Faith I have only this to say:
GOOD LUCK PASSING THROUGH THE NEEDLE.
Healthcare is not a human right. I have NO right to FORCE a doctor to provide me a service without him/her expecting due compensation. That the government has FORCED doctors to accept patients without regard to pay, then those doctors had to raise prices for the others who could pay, increasing healthcare insurance and costs for everyone else and then we blame the providers and insurance instead of government is astounding.
Government caused the problem that we are having now and then we turn to government to fix the problem it made by reducing our own freedoms.
That you willingly put me into the chains of bondage and make me a slave to your family is what is disturbing, Bubba.
I am soooo with you, NMB. I really like your style.
Here’s what is starting to really upset me:
1. All this talk about how people who can’t afford health insurance are somehow less productive, don’t work hard, or won’t appreciate and will trash what they get…I don’t buy it. I can say that, without a doubt, the hardest working people I know are the ones that struggle with affording health care. It angers me that some people think they shouldn’t have affordable health care because that won’t encourage them to do better in life. That makes me want to give the people who say that a swift kick in the behind.
2. When people start talking about the inconvenience they may have to deal with due to increasing the affordability of others’ health care, I want to puke. Here is how it translates to me…”My convenience and money are more important than the life and health of others.” You may think I am simplifying too much, but I am totally disturbed by all the me, me, me. As if the government and every individual is always out to get you, trying to steal your toys at all times. When we get so bogged down in screaming “MINE!”, we lose out. I feel as though some people only consider their own circumstances, and everyone else must be lazy, scheming, or up to general no-good.
I am feeling a tad surly about this topic, as you could probably tell. I feel like my fellow man has as much right to be receive proactive and reactive health care as I do. His life is not worth less than mine. If he is sick, I want him to get well. I will not turn a blind eye to his pain and need, and say, “Endure it if you can. Maybe you’ll learn to work harder next time.” I am happy that, for now, America is taking a step in the right direction.
But you forget, we pay for yours as well. It’s not all about YOU.
Yes you do. But, I would understand and agree with an insurance company dropping you as you are more expensive than I.
YOu would understand and agree….well, may illness find you or your loved ones and you’ll find out how that “understanding” works out.
May you have sweet dreams of Ayn Rand, prick.
I’m sorry you feel that way. Mind you I have been respectful in my tone with you even though you have not with me.
I wish your family well but I do not wish it healthcare at the cost of my liberty.
marinm…that is cold. i don’t even know what to say to some of the things I have read tonight. May God open the hearts of the people. May we all look past our fear, suspicion, and have the courage to see the heart and need of others.
If a woman beside you was dying in front of your eyes, but couldn’t even pay for a cure that cost $20, what would you do? Would you get out the $20 and fork it over, grateful that you could help save the life of another? Would you stand there with a 20 in your pocket, watching until the bitter end of a life, then proudly pump your fist that you got to keep your liberty?
DG, that’s a great question. Because, with that $20 I have a *choice*. With ObamaCare, I do not. I am mandated to have insurance and put into prison if I do not comply. I have no choice.
@marinm How shocking to me that so many are willing to look past the corrupt payoffs, the unequal treatment of states, the coddling of big pharma and trail lawyers, the incomplete CBO numbers, just because the end goal is what they happen to want for themselves.
By the way, I heard on the radio today that this 2,000-plus page bill was missing a paragraph. Apparently they left children out of the pre-existing conditions waiver for new insurance. They were in such a rush to ram this through that the unintended consequences will be legion
And to all of you, like Bubba and Starry, with the “we won, you lost, so shut up” attitude so reminiscent of the 2008 election: You will never win over support with that crap. You’ll just harden more hearts. Keep it up.
NMB,
I can tell you are getting very emotional, there is nothing like seeing your child ill. My guess is that Marinm has no children, and if he did, I would truly be shocked. I believe that a truly great nation does not allow their citizens to suffer, nor does it choose to become less productive in order to maintain this false sense of ulitmate “freedom”, because this just in, you aren’t FREE if you trapped by health issues, either physically or financially. In this instance common sense AND fiscal responsiblity clearly co-exist.
@Rez
I know that Rez. I just think it was bad business. I know you all are better off for it though. I don’t begrudge individuals. It angers me at the way things were.
I also know that those getting retirement from the feds are not allowed to get a non fed spouse’s social security if that spouse is dead. Not fair.
Here, here Elena!
Here, here
NMB has NOT had the attitude of ‘we won you lost. ‘ She talked about her sick child. She explained how critical the new bill is to her family.
I am furious that she would be accused of flaunting a political success that might be a matter of life or death to members of her family.
Starry is jerking your chain. NMB is talking about her sick child. Emma. Please go back and read what she has said. I hope you will apologize.
Marin, I do believe you have ice water going through your veins. You have said some of the most incredibly cold, heartless things I have ever heard. I hope you are never faced with any situation where you need the good will of others. You are more than willing to have some of the hardest working Americans’ pay cut 10-15-20%. Let’s talk about Marin’s pay. You want yours cut? You are willing to throw NMB under a bus. Screw her, screw her kids. Karma is a bitch. Cuidado.
Funny how you’re quick to jump on anyone criticizing HCR, but you have no problem with some of the ignorant anti-Catholic spew that the two of them have merrily and unapologetically tossed around. But I’m sure that’s what you were going for with those particular threads.
And the expectation of civility has apparently become a one-way street.
[Emma-the one way street is you. You feel you can criticize whatever and whomever you want. If they say anything back, you get offended.
I don’t need to use them to gather anti catholic rhetoric. Cut the crap .Emma. My own background is loaded with detail if I ever wanted to use it. 1. Elena picked the first movie. 2. Rick Bentley picked the second movie. I wonder where I fit in? I asked you what you wanted me to do with Starry and Bubba. You never answered. Maybe the Mormons should have gotten offended because of our talk about Big Love. They get very offended because of the confusion with LDS and FLDS. I never stopped to ask about it.]