Once again, Chairman of the Board of Supervisors, Corey Stewart prevaricated and obfuscated.
A few examples:
1. He didn’t tell Alisyn how many times the Resolution changed from July 7, 2007 until May 1, 2008.
2. He led the viewers to believe that the police could ask for documents based on probable cause. Does Corey still not know that probably cause no longer exists in our Resolution?
3. He stated that violent crimes are down 38%. Not according to PWC crime statistics and he knows this.
4. He was hung (sic) in effigy? I must have missed that one.
5. He stated that 80% of the people of Prince William County support the law and that the UVA survey stated so. I would like to see that little known fact in writing. No such question existed on that survey.
6. He assumed that fewer babies were born to illegal immigrant mothers and stated that as a fact when he had no verifiable proof. Immigration status is not collected at either hospital in the county and therefore he can only assume.
7. We have fewer ESOL classes now? I don’t think so. The nuumber of students enrolled in ESOL dropped slightly at the height of the foreclosure crisis, but returned to an even greater number by FY2008-2009.
8. He failed to explain the evolution of what happened in PWC. He failed to explain that the Resolution that was passed on July 7, 2007 was not what passed around May 1, 2008. He led Alisyn to believe that whatever we did here fixed all immigration problems. That is simply not the case. He did not say that the status of all those arrested would be checked and he did not mention the 287(g) program. He failed to mention one of the worst housing crashes in the United States happened in PWC. He failed to mention he used trumped up issues to get himself re-elected. He failed to mention what he did to the Chief of Police. He failed to mention what he did to his supervisor colleagues.
How can he live with himself puffing up like that? He let everyone who was listening to Fox News at that hour believe he held the silver bullet.
I felt very ashamed of my county and my state as I listed to something that simply was not the truth. Corey told how he wanted things to be, not how they really were. He misled the people of Arizona.
Liar, Liar, Pants on fire!
when have the facts ever gotten in the way of Corey’s rhetoric?
Never. Spin spin spin!!! Fugue from reality or was he just big assing for Alisyn?
I know a lot of people have turned up their nose at 9500Liberty– the film. Thank goodness it is out there to offset the political BS being told.
That film was very kind to Corey.
Re No. 5 in the thread: See Page 33 et al of the Prelim Survey Report. “Overall Satisfation with the Carrying Out of the Policy: 80.5 %. Divided as follows: White: 86.7%; Asian: 75.8%; Hispanic: 51%; Black: 76.6% Totals answers which are either Very Satisfied or Somewhat Satisfied.
No. 5 was in the powerpoint presentation made to your BCOS. Assume it is in the other versions as well.
Wolverine, that question dealt with satisfaction with the police, not the policy. It was a new question added to the survey.
I am assuming we are talking about the same document.
To my knowledge, the UVA survey has never had a question about the policy itself, as Mr. Stewart implies.
Who cares, he’s now preaching to the choir as the majority in this country is behind similar actions. You can’t deny that PWC was in the national news for its actions, and was the first to do so. Other counties are now faced with the same problems, and will be forced to act. The illegal alien supporters have won a few battles, but will ultimately lose the war. Profiling never became an issue other than in the minds of those that were against any action. Do you really think that profiling could only be applied to laws concerning illegal immigration? Not be so naive. The police have been sensitive to the issue of profiling for many years, and yet few cases have ever been proven. Give these guys a little respect at least! Hell, the illegals demand respect.
By the way, that opening scene in the video, was that shot in Woodbridge? ; )
M-H,
Great explanation. Furthermore, the policy now is NOT like what Arizona has adopted via legal influence from FAIR which is what Corey was espousing, that PWC and Arizona have the same policy. We also got rid of the whole “suing” a goverment employee aspect also.
@Wolverine
How many answered the survey, and where were they from? I know I never received a survey to answer.
Look at those poor people at the wall! How can people like Stewart target people like this?
He’s going to hell for sure, whatever hell may be. Probably come back as a slug eaten by a crow. Or maybe a dung beetle.
Please send your post to FOX, MH. Send it to all the media, in fact.
Corey will say or do anything to get elected Lt. Governor in 2013, which he views as the next step in his political career. However, his posturing on immigration at this point is only symbolic.
Corey is now completely in the pockets of developers and the Chamber of Commerce crowd. He needs their money to advance his political career. They want unrestricted development and access to cheap, illegal labor. He has already completely sold out the people who supported him on development and conservation. Greg and Help Save Manassas (HSM) are next.
Greg has a thread on Corey’s Fox News appearance also. Comments there are mostly not flattering about Corey’s “successes” in dealing with immigration. I don’t believe Corey has had anything to do with HSM recently either. This is not because he has had a moral/ethical change of heart, and does not mean that he will try to clean up any of the mess he has made in Prince William County. It’s crass, political expediency.
I wish Greg and HSM people would look very carefully at what Corey has done to his former conservationist supporters. HSM people and their views are certainly not popular on this blog. However, they at least believe in something. I hope they don’t think that Corey will be any kinder to them if it doesn’t help his career. Maybe if they wise up too and notice the knives in their backs in time, we can retire Corey in 2011.
@Need to Know
Stewart is just a “love ’em and leave ’em” kind of guy, huh?
To “retire Corey in 2011” witll require another candidate that can run
a credible campaign against him. I seriously doubt that individual
would want to be too far left of Corey on the illegal immigration issue.
The fires have calmed on both sides but there are still simmering coals
ready to ignite again.
Covington will probably run. Then we can probably focus on development and the environment instead of haters and hater-lovers. As much as I disagree with Covington in this area, I would prefer to fight about this issue. Elena said something as much in one of her addresses to the BOCS.
@Posting As Pinko
Pinko – absolutely not Covington. He believes in something also, which is sewer and unrestricted development in the Rural Crescent, and the rest of the County. Wally has at least been honest about his views on development, and ties to land speculators and developers. I can respect that. However, if he wins we might as well resign ourselves to bulldozers instead of trees, and get ready for higher taxes as his surge in development brings in massive amounts of tax-negative residential development.
Anyway, Corey will call a convention for the nomination instead of a primary and pack it with his supports. I think he has a lock on the nomination.
As a Republican I hate to say it, but can’t the Democrats come up with someone? I’d prefer to see a mature, moderate Dem in the job until the Republicans can come up with someone better in 2015.
Pinko,
I sent an e-mail to fox and friends last night, M-H helped with editing and wording.
@Need to Know
Oh I will fight to the death about development. I hate it. All I am saying is I would rather fight about that than a witch hunt for minorities which is what the resolution spawned.
Good for you, Elena!!
@Posting As Pinko
I understand what you are saying completely. Let’s not settle for someone like Covington, however. Let’s find someone who will be good for our community in all respects.
As anyone who has read my posts here knows, I am a life-long Republican. Nonetheless, I would not hesitate to vote for a Democrat in cases where the person is clearly better and the difference is so pronounced that it trumps party loyality.
SA, Good morning. I don’t deny that PWC was in the limelight. I do care that the truth wasn’t told. In his usual attention-seeking manner, Mr. S left the impression that our law was the same as AZ. No it isn’t. It isn;t because some of our supervisors saw the wisdom of not painting themselves in a corner.
I very much care when someone lies about PWC.
NTK, Had the land use people not been betrayed and 6 gazillion houses not been built in the county, perhaps the housebuilders would not have all come to the county. Something to think about.
Why would anyone announce their candidacy now? I expect there is someone out there, just biding their time.
I’ve said it before and I will say it again we can NOT continue to have Supervisors running unopposed. Yet, the VERY ones that have ran without any competition have some of the deepest coffers from the developers and others.
NTK, you’ve nailed it. I truly believe there are a few life-long Republicans and new ones too, that would vote for a Dem if they were the better person for the job. I still believe you’d make for an excellent candidate and would act in the best interest of the county, not just follow the party lines or status quo.
Corey Stewart is a big fat liar. He comes across as a rather silly, moronic, efeminate buffoon.
Ahem, Starry, please say what you don’t like rather than the name calling.
Corey may have his political issues that we do not like but we have never attacked his personhood. In fact, he’s a rather likeable person and he certainly isn’t an ‘efeminate buffoon’ in our opinion.
starry,
when you make comments like that, you negate any crediblilty to your point, please don’t do that, it doesn’t belong here on moonhowlings.
Your last sentence makes me think of that clown Glenn Beck.
@Lafayette
Thanks Lafayette, for your kind words. You’d be surprised (and so would Corey) how many Republicans are saying in private that they might vote Democratic, depending on whom the Democrats nominate in 2011, or support an independent. They can go to the Committee meetings, support other Republican candidates, and vote in secret without telling anyone what they did.
As I wrote above, I think Corey has the Republican nomination locked. If the Democrats nominate a moderate/conservative rather than a left-winger they would have a very good chance of winning the Chair in 2011. I know of one Democrat (whom I will not name – this person should announce rather than have me do it for them) for whom I would gladly vote over Stewart if the Democrats nominate this person. I just hope the PWC Democrats don’t chose ideological purity over common sense and electability.
As far as Covington and Nohe are concerned, I think they are both vulnerable to a credible Republican challenger. Both are more employees of the developers and the Regional Chamber of Commerce than they are of Prince William County citizens. Someone must challenge Covington because no Democrat has a chance in Brentsville.
The election is a year off. It would seem better, to me, for any potential candidates to wait ….and let the incumbents worry for a while. Less stress.
Pinko —- Can’t answer your questions in #9. I don’t live in PWC and never even heard of the survey until this thread appeared. Curiosity got me to look at it; and, when I saw those pie charts and percentages, I tried to help Moon with a possible answer to her questions in No. 5. Actually, I anticipated her likely response before submitting my first post. However, I think that survey questions such as this one can be interpreted different ways. Strictly speaking, it can be taken as a narrower judgement on how well the policy was being carried out by the police. But I also think that, in survey questions like this, there is also an underlying judgement on the policy itself, resulting in at least a percentage of the responses which wind up in the high and low satisfaction categories, representing agreement or non-agreement with the policy itself. Human nature in a bitter debate. Also a reason why you have to be careful with polling data.
As a non-PWC person, what really surprises me is that no one here has brought up any other survey or poll which gives an answer to Moon’s more specific question of support or non-support of the current policy per se. Surely, in a nation inundated with polling data from all directions and on all subjects, someone must have done something like this on such a contentious issue. I am speaking here of the amended resolution as it currently stands. Anyone?
polling requires money Wolverine 🙁
I think that UVA does this survey for the county annually. The policy/law/resolution changed so many times they probably didn’t know what to ask.
Actually, I don’t have a bone to pick with the policy now (physical custodial arrest status check). Everyone is treated the same, in theory. I have no reason to think that actuality is any different than theory.
I very much dislike how we arrived at our policy and it was a long, uphill struggle.
Corey Stewart said, if I recall correctly, that this policy would be adopted over ‘his dead body.’ He still lives so ….go figure. Actually the anti-immigration folks all acted like they loved the plan and it is what they wanted all along. Good recovery and if they want to say that to save face, I’ll share basking in the glory with them.
However, our current policy of physical custodial arrest status check is not the original plan at all. Additionally, it is nothing like the AZ law SB1070, which is based on probable cause. And Stewart needs to be truthful about that.
“Stewart needs to be truthful”
He is pathologically incapable of that.
“Corey has the Republican nomination locked”
Not by a long-shot, he’s pissed on too many conservative’s corn flakes with his twists, turns and stabs in the back. My guess is that he has become virtually unelectable at any level as those who broker the power and nominations largely don’t trust him or are actively seeking vengenance for his wrongs against his own.
What are his Republican sins, Mom? Those of us on the outside aren’t privvy to that information.
Moon – didn’t Corey also say something about his dead body in Stafford at the Tea Party rally about opting out of a Medicaid program, and then he settled for an unnecessary study that wastes staff time? I smell a stinky corpse at this point. (metaphor for his political career?)
Mom – I really, really, really hope you are right and I am wrong.
How many do you want? Do you want just the Conservative or the Biblical as well? Would you like an analysis of how they compare with the seven deadly sins?
Bearing in mind that I’m a fiscal conservative, here’s a couple off the top of my head.
1. Over time he has assumed antithetical positions on related budget items principally regarding senior services. One month its cut them, the next its fund them, seemingly depending on the wind direction, creating a circumstance under which one can not predict what position he will take on any funding measure.
2. Over time he has assumed antithetical positions on development issues. First it was Brentswood, etc. is bad. Developers are bad. More residential housing, bad. The Rural Crescent is a good thing. That has morphed into position whereby he espouses more large scale development, accompanying increases in residential density and diminishing the Rural Crescent all in the name of attaining a level of “high quality” commercial/retail development that is both unrealistic and unattainable. Funny how that coincides with contributions to his campaign coffers from those formerly evil developers. Must be something about becoming the Chairman that causes people to transmogrify into that type of person, same thing happened with Lord Connaughton.
3. He’s about as transparent as a frosty glass of Guinness. If he’s going to take campaign contributions from those with land use applications pending before the BOCS, he damn well better disclose them. The Malloy Hyundai application at the last meeting is a perfect example. His actions simply underscore the impression that everything in PWC is for sale if the price is right. BTW, that goes for Wally as well.
4. While Gerhardt was around he promised anyone who would listen that he would clean house as soon as they pushed the county exec out the door. Lets see, Gerhardt gone but the Planning Office is intact, Peacor promoted and nothing has changed. Guess its easier to sweep things under the rug than clean the house.
5. He is and has been too cowardly to take on the School Budget and exercise any measure of oversight, oversight that IMHO is sorely required (stimulus funds/grants for unsustainable pay raises, administrative bloat and poor CIP execution).
6. His actions with regard to the GA have likely made the current situation and immediate future in PWC worse. Blameshifting the consequences of BOCS actions to Richmond certainly doesn’t endear the legislature to PWC and has likely cost us a fortune in state funds in addition to a larger share of the costs once borne by the state as well as a diminished capacity to generate revenue. A perfect example are the new restrictions on collecting cash proffers. I would wager a larger some that Corey’s and the BOCS’s rantings, ravings and proffer escalations led to the drafting of the bills that will now handcuff the county.
That should give you a little to chew on, give me a couple of more minutes and I can put together quite a few more.
Moon —You jumped the gun on me in para 2 of #30. That was precisely my next question for you.
Elena — How do you vote on the policy as it currently stands?
I’m with NTK, I sure hope Mom is right.
Mom,
I think I recall Corey saying Brookfield “were one of the good guys”. Yeah right, what a joke that statement is. One has to look no further than Avondale to blow that theory right out of the water.
Lord Connaughton to you, Sir Sean to me. That Chair must really do something for the male ego.
I couldn’t agree more with you with regards to the School Budget, and especially the CIP.
I hope you are right about the disclosure of campaign money. Donohue & Stearns, PLC donated a chunk of change to Corey the day before a vote regarding T-Mobile was to go before the board. D&S, PLC represents T-Mobile which wants to cover the county with cell towers. I better check and see what other Supervisors should be abstaining from votes.
@Mom
Good list Mom – for starters.
Don’t forget phony fiscal conservatism.
The Stewart/Griffin/Utz/Lubeley version of the Comp Plan update that Corey railroaded through the BOCS will generate enormous tax increases and/or service cuts as the additional residential development it allows starts to come online (when Corey plans to be in Richmond or Washington). Recall that Corey rejected the Comp Plan update produced by his own Land Use Advisory Committee in favor of this even more pro-developer version. He ridiculed the Comp Plan update that came out of the Planning Commission that was produced by some of the people whom he supported in the past such as Gary Friedman, Kim Hosen and Martha Hendley (good people all).
Also, read the letter to the editor in todays MJM linked below. More behind-the-scenes back-stabbing and betrayals.
http://www2.insidenova.com/isn/news/opinion/letters_to_the_editor/article/letter_a_new_cultural_future_for_the_county/58219/
There isn’t enough space on this blog for me to detail his crap with the Comp Plan, Centers, Map Amendments, VRE or the LUAC.
Mom and everyone – how do we explain to the average voter who has no idea what a Comp Plan, LUAC or Map Amendment is, and who don’t recognize the names Gerhart or Peacor, that they’ve been screwed up one side and down the other?
Corey is counting on people not studying issues very much and voting for him because they think he ran the illegals out of town.
It’s all in the publicly available numbers, here’s a good one for example. Anybody think PWC won’t be building a stadium, this seems to indicate that depite his public statements last year and the year befoe, Corey may be thinking otherwise. $15 grand buys a lot of yard signs and mailers that can’t be sent on the county dime. Curious how he is worth so much more than everyone else combined.
Potomac Nationals BaseballIndustry: Recreation, Amusement Parks, Sports
Location: Woodbridge
This Donor is also a Vendor
Money OutCampaign Contributions
From 2010 2009 2007 2006 2005 2004 2003 2002 2001 2000 1996 through 2010 2009 2007 2006 2005 2004 2003 2002 2001 2000 1996 (select all years )
All Candidates and Committees Legislative Candidates Statewide Candidates Local Candidates Party Committees PACs Inaugural Committees Referendum Committees Out-of-State Committees
Campaign Contribution(s) Totaling $19,440
Campaign
Contributions Committee
$15,000 Stewart for Prince William County Board Chair – Corey
$1,690 Jenkins for Prince William County Board of Supervisors – John
$1,000 Connaughton for Prince William County Board Chair – Sean
$500 May for Prince William County Board of Supervisors – Michael
$500 Cadin for Delegate – Marc
$400 Brickley for Delegate – David
$200 Nohe for Prince William County Board of Supervisors – Martin
$150 Caddigan for Prince William County Board of Supervisors – Maureen
NTK-Perhaps we could make a Glossary of sorts for the average citizens. I told the school board during the SMS site fiasco that the CIP was NOT the place to have new schools burried, and that most probably had no idea what the CIP even was.
Corey, et. al. are counting on “uneducated” voters. Come to my “hood” the illegals have not been ran out of town. Well, if they were it’s “new generation” coming to the county. My neighborhood still looks drastically better than it did this 6-3 years ago.
Here’s an even more telling snapshot. Notice that anti-development candidate Stewart only took in $15,100 dollars from the Real Estate/Contruction Industry is first term and compare that to the $173,151 from the Real Estate/Construction Industry in the run up to his second election and forward.
Corey A Stewart
2002-2006
$54,715 Political
$18,800 Business – Retail, Services
$15,100 Real Estate/Construction
$11,250 Technology, Communication
$9,920 Miscellaneous
$9,275 Public Employees
$8,250 Energy, Natural Resources
$8,013 Law
$7,150 Transportation
$4,177 Finance, Insurance
$3,125 Undetermined
$2,600 Defense
$1,650 Health Care
$1,076 Single-Issue Groups
$500 Agriculture
2007-2010
$173,151 Real Estate/Construction
$128,951 Political
$57,040 Business – Retail, Services
$30,835 Miscellaneous
$23,571 Energy, Natural Resources
$23,025 Transportation
$20,863 Law
$19,050 Health Care
$17,415 Public Employees
$12,153 Single-Issue Groups
$11,750 Technology, Communication
$9,250 Agriculture
$9,200 Defense
$7,275 Undetermined
$4,902 Finance, Insurance
@Mom
I’ve been looking at those same numbers and have played around with graphing them (I admitted in the “24” thread that Spock had a big influence on me growing up so don’t laugh). If you create a bar graph for each year showing either the total amount Corey took from development interests, or his contributions from developers as a percent of his total contributions, the result is striking. You can see Anakin turning into Darth Vader.
I’m also going through the LLCs and corporations that contributed to him and tracing them back through the state corporation commissions in Virginia, Maryland and other states. Going even deeper, I’m Googling to create bios of some of the people behind these fronts.
Corey – I know you read these blogs and you know good and well what what I’ve been finding. These records aren’t going anywhere. Maybe this is how we get around most voters having limited knowledge of the details of planning, finance and government management.
Thank goodness for http://www.vpap.org and Google.
I’ve already looked into the LLCs and Corps. You will find that a quite a number of them provide cover for companies and individuals that have land use applications pending or have been recently approved (Lake Manassas CEC).
Where to start….as for how Elena votes, Wolverine. She is on a family outing at the moment so I will give a temporary answer for her. Alanna, Elena, and I were all very pleased with the outcome on Aril 28, 2008. Alanna was there when the BOCS outcome was reached. I will see if I can find the video to post. I don’t think that Elena or I have any grouse with things as they are in the county but…it is NOT the original or even mid-term proposal. And, perhaps this is the time to say this–
There were some very brave county people, elected, no longer elected, private citizen and employee who swam upstream and who stood against the ‘anti-illegal immigration high tide. It didn’t happen in the beginning. People were bowled over. But once everyone caught their breath, they stood tall. Their gallantry won’t be forgotten. They know who they are.
There are just folks who have ‘moondust protection’ on this blog. We might not always agree with them but we don’t forget people who stand up and do the right thing. In other words, you have to commit a LOT of wrong to make that go away.
NTK and MoM,
I am going to suggest that you start compiling all this information in a way that everyone can understand. The average person simply doesn’t understand the impact on the county and perhaps state. In-town people don’t view things the same way the out-town people do.
Do you all need to eventually go into a dedicated blog setting? Feel free to post here. I think your information is great but…it will also get buried. I suggest that Corey gets his own blog. There are those out there who can help.
Sorry, MH, I’m too much of a luddite to start/run/manage a blog. My solution to hardware/software problem is screaming “Tech boy drag your arse over her and fix this damn thing”.
Apart from that, I’m just a wee bit too busy in the trenches with Corey and a plethora of other things. That being said, a blog dedicated not to Corey but to the BOCS, their dirty little secrets and machinations is probably not a bad idea. If someone else builds it, they and I will come.
Boy, Mom Luddite must have old “Tech Boy” on pins and needles. My “Tech Boy” is lucky. He lives about 50 miles away and can always find a reason to delay. God help me if I have to resort to hitting the “Help” button. I cannot even understand the instructions I get.
I don’t want a swat team at MY door.
Is any one interested in taking this on? My hands are full and so are Elena’s.
Wolverine, you do fine!