Even Fox News is horrified. This guy, Barry Wong, is serious. How do we determine who is legal and who is illegal?
Some people will do anything to get elected. Some people have no souls.
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There seems to be no limit to the amount of scum at the shallow end of the gene pool. If the folks Mr. Wong is talking about were stealing electricity, that would be a different story. They’re not-they’re paying for it and they are probably living in a rental property that is already on the grid.
Mr. Wong is not wight!
What do you do to implement this policy, just go down the customer list and look for hispanic names? Do we care that they have paid their bills? Do we care if they have children or senior citizens in the homes? Do we care if our actions are inhumane?
I am disgusted and horrified!
Maybe look for oriental names as well. Whadda ya think? Wight or Wong?
another question….is EVERYONE in the home out of status, or just one, two, three, how many? Is there a perponderance of illegaility that would trigger no electricity? Are some people MORE human than others???? WTF?
Either the welcome mat is out, or it is not. Illegal DOES mean illegal.
In that case, let’s cut off all utilities to businesses that hire illegals as well (which would likely include utility companies)?
That’s the spirit! I’m in favor of that.
So George: “Mr. Wong is not wight!” “Wight or Wong?”
So you can use racial writings referencing Asian speech, but God forbid someone draws a cartoon of a Mexican wearing a sombrero? Your racial bias against Asians is showing!
This goes beyond whether an illegal immigrant can get a library card. We should :
Make it illegal for them to file taxes
Make it illegal for them not to file taxes
Make it illegal for them to drive
Make it illegal for them to get car insurance
Make it illegal for them to drive without insurance
Investigate them if they enroll their kids for school and can’t prove they are here legally
Make it illegal for them to use the public library
Make it a crime not only to loiter, but to loiter while illegal
and so on and so forth.
This is NOT analogous to Nazis, Jews, etc. I am not talking about “driving out” people who are citizens here.
I am talking about encouraging self-deportation.
SA, George never commented on any sombrero cartoon.
His remarks were clearly a play on words having to do with
RIGHT or WRONG.
[raised eyebrow]
I just re-watched the Pianist last night. If its illegal to do anything, either way….that sort of covers it.
“The Pianist” is a great movie that deals with something horrific … but I see that as quite different from law enforcement eforts designed to prevent criminal behavior (that don’t involve killing, or physically harming, anyone).
Perhaps some day a director will direct “The Illegal Pianist”, it’ll be very dramatic … scared Latinos hiding in Attics while Zoning Enforcement personnel with black armbands knock on the door … street musicians gone into hiding while Sherriff Joe assumes control of their families and dresses them in pink … perhaps Byler and Park will undertake this next.
No Amnesty for Roman Polanski either BTW. He amde a great movie but the little f***er belongs in jail.
I agree on Roman Polanski. His genius shouldn’t include children.
I think that most of us will agree that the illegal immigrant situation is not like the Holocaust. However, can we agree that any time we single out a group of people, for whatever reason, we are putting our feet on that continuum that possibly could go to to those extremes? I don’t care if it is Armenians, Jews, gypsies, or any other group of people. Where is that small invisible place that some have crossed over….and it becomes OK?
The Holocaust didn’t just happen over night. It was gradual. It was ok to say wear an armband. It was ok to say NO JEWS ALLOWED in the favorite coffee shop. Everyone thought it would pass.
I consider all these things slippery slopes. I consider cutting off electricty illegal unless it is for non-payment of bills and even then you have to be careful. These types of discussions make me very uncomfortable.
Wong is a sick bastard.
Rick Bentley isn’t far behind.
Well said Moon, and I agree with you, (scary thought) but I fear that you have a blind spot for seeing the difference between people in need and illegal residents – tresspassers – in need. We have many slippery slopes from 1st amendment political correctness to 2nd amendment registration requirements and others that we need to navigate, but to my knowledge, the constitution does not give the government the authority to convey the rights of citizenship to illegals.
We can’t use “never forget the Holocaust and never do any action that has any parallel to anything Nazis ever did” as a point of weakness that precludes enforcing our laws. I’m mad as hell about illegal immigration and eager to provide disincentive to illegal immigrants – but I’m not trying to dehumanize them. It’s no slippery slop to anything except self-deportation.
(And, to the chagrin of some here, we ARE ON the slippery slope towards self-deportation).
I’m sure that a mamber of NAMBLA also sees themselves as persecuted. heck, I’m sure Polanski does too. They can make all the same arguements.
Maybe a few posters on the “black board” have made dehumanizing comments at times. I don’t think that it represents many people.
OMG, MH, I can’t believe you would defend anyone who uses stereotypes of any race to get their point across. I got jumped on just for assuming someone was Hispanic, yet people here can poke fun at how some Asian immigrants speak, and that’s ok? I guess all this BS about treating everyone as human beings, and not being derogatory to anyone only applies to Hispanics! Somehow I don’t think my Asian friends would see the humor in his ‘play on words’ as you so defend it. This is the same guy that accused me here of using ethnic slurs with no proof whatsoever. Hey Elena, Asians are people too! Where’s your outrage over the quip? I know you were outraged over the Mexican cartoon.
And those dark screen dehumanizers were real show stoppers too. And I think most of us would agree they were clearly out of line. However, what about those areas where we don’t always agree on what is acceptable and what isn’t? When you get some age on you, you end up seeing a lot of that.
Had the Nazis not been such precise little bastards, they might not have preserved their own guilt in such an ironclad way. I feel certain that Stalin was far worse. His regeime was just sloppier with the record keeping.
But it all goes back to that continuum. Today someone takes away electricity from one class of people. Several decades before that, in the previous century, an entire country like Ukrania is starved to death. Is it better to starve to death or die in a death camp? Where do we draw the line? It has to be a long time before we get to the death part.
@Starryflights
Great idea! The only real solution to illegal immigration is to deal with businesses that hire illegal workers. While we’re at it, cancel their business license, bar them from contracting with the government, and tax their campaign contributions to Corey Stewart at a 100% rate.
@Second-Alamo
I didn’t realize that Elmer Fudd was an Asian. I wonder if Bugs Bunny and that crowd are aware. How is it you can make something racial out of everything? Is it hard to do or does it just come naturally?
I’m not sure his plan will ever pass but it makes for an interesting discussion. I’m not sure how utilities work in AZ – does the govt control them or regulates them and he’s running for the office that ‘oversees’ them.
It’d be interesting to see how the math would play out…Would the loss of revenue from those of illegal status cause such a revenue dip that the utilities couldn’t do it without raising prices to the legal customer base. My assumption is he’s done it and saw only at most a minimal increase but I’m not sure it would work out that way. But, I’d LOVE to see the math behind the policy.
I’d say it’s outside of the box thinking…
And yet power grids in the US merge into Canada and visa versa meaning our tax dollars provide electricity for millions of non-US citizens.
The same grid that Arizona get’s it’s power from also provides electricity to Western Canada and a small northern tip of Mexico.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:NERC-map-en.svg
So cut the BS about US power being exclusively for US citizens, the grid (and stupidity) have no borders…
it should be inside his head thinking.
What would the cost be to implement such a thing? Employers balk at the ‘cost’ of the I-9 process, and others say ‘I am not a document expert’ to get around responsibility ( http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/05/17/AR2008051701295.html?hpid=moreheadlines ). It would also lead into more identity theft to just get electricity.
Thanks for providing a picture for us, Rod. This guy is a real jerk. Varney gave him every opportunity to retract and Wong continued to make an ass of himself.
When is he going to suggest cutting off water? Is that next?
George,
I laughed my butt off when I read wight or wong and NEVER took it racially.
Taxpayer,
As far as I know, you don’t lose your status as a human being just because your status is out of order. In fact, the constitution applies to ALL people within the borders of the United States.
M-H,
I think the only way to really look at an issue of a slippery slope is to imagine if you or someone you loved was in that particular situation. Making any issue personal seems to be the best way to undertake thoughtful decisions.
Elena, where does it say that?
Apparently, the Rid PWC of Corey Stewart Facebook page has been removed. I wonder if Mr. Stewart himself decided further Constitutional infringements were warranted or if his cronies decided to retaliate.
Freedom of speech?
What’s next, folks? Think long and hard about that one.
the constitution does NOT apply to all people within the borders of the united states. the constitution only applies to the citizens of the united states. if the wife of ambassador x from burkina faso gives birth to a child in this country, is that child automatically considered a u.s. citizen? hell no. so why is it any different for people who break into this country illegally?
if the wife of ambassador x from burkina faso gives birth to a child in this country, is that child automatically considered a u.s. citizen – actually, the children are US Citzens, and the *could* be dual citizens depending on the home country. Citizenship of the parent (even diplomats) has nothing to do with the child being born in the US.
that is true. but it shouldn’t be so. i try to rise above 50 years of liberal indoctrination and see the world through the framers’ mindset. if someone had told jefferson or hamilton that ambassadors from foreign nations could have american citizenship conferred on their offspring merely by being born in the u.s., undoubtedly the idea would have been considered preposterous and absurd. what is the point of nationhood and citizenship then? are countries no more than boarding gates at an airport?
We can’t rule out waterboarding these people. I’m talking about Wong, not the immigrants!
“Apparently, the Rid PWC of Corey Stewart Facebook page has been removed. ”
Maybe a flophouse started up next door to whoever was behind it, and it changed their worldview.
“what is the point of nationhood and citizenship then?”
As near as I can tell, it’s to establish officeholders so that multinational companies can know where best to direct their lobbying money.
The framers actually had nothing to do with the 14th amendment. And the laws of the United States apply to non citizens as well as citizens. Rule of law anyone?
Swooping, I expect he complained. You should have at least been contacted. Contact them and ask. Hell there is a page for every other cause in the world, including some page that wanted to kill someone.
@Moon-howler
Facts. facts, facts – don’t you know everyone is happy in their fantasy world just making up stuff? It’s easier and feels better that way!
think back to the intent of the authors of the 14th amendment. it was designed to protect the rights of the american blacks in the south, who were recently emancipated. to twist the amendment into saying it grants american citizenship to the children of illegals is preposterous and absurd.
Typical though in that illegal alien apologists chain most of their arguements off the Civil Rights movement. Hence the constant pretence that this is “about” race rather than about people breaking laws for profit.
e- if you call a Supreme Court decision, twisting the amendment, well, then I would have to agree – United States v. Wong Kim Ark, 1898. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizenship_Clause
For shame, Elena!!! Elmer Fudd was portrayed as having a serious speech impediment. Isn’t that also one of those “don’t go there” deals in modern humor?
According to a new report that FAIR has put out, many states including California, New York, and Virginia could close their budget gap if they stopped paying on illegal immigrants and their children – http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/07/02/immigration-costs-fair-amnesty-educations-costs-reform/
Financial responsibility starts with not paying money on other nations’ citizens.
The 14th Amendment applies to anyone and everyone born within the territorial jurisdiciton of the United States. We must respect our country’s Constitution.
“So cut the BS about US power being exclusively for US citizens, the grid (and stupidity) have no borders…”
Rod, that was awesome:)
Rick, I pretty much let you be Rick and expect you to be Rick. You are entitled to your opinion. I agree with many of your opinions except on immigration. We just approach things from a different point of view. But…. I am seriously asking you not to use that expression: ‘illegal alien apologist.’ You are so much better than that.
Wolverine, have you told Geico yet? 🙄
I haven’t kept up with Geico, Moon. Are we talking lizards with a British accent?
No, not that gekko. snicker. There is now a Geico commercial that has Elmer Fuff in it.
http://www.cartoonbrew.com/advertising/elmer-fudd-for-geico-car-insurence.html
I really don’t like the commercial. I loved the cavemen.
I received no warning. And there is no contract information other than a FAQ page that basically says FB doesn’t have to give warnings (though they often do) if the content is offensive enough. Also says they won’t respond to queries on the subject.
I’m not horribly disappointed. I just find it interesting that with all the rot on Facebook, the page advocating removing Stewart gets closed.
@Second-Alamo
I don’t know what cartoon you’re talking about. Haven’t seen it, but would probably comment on it if it was aimed at denigrating Mexicans.
P.S. Did you find out if Elmer Fudd is Asian?