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I see where Greg Letiecq has published the official Tea Party Prayer. http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2010/07/21/the-tea-party-prayer/ I wonder if you recite the prayer with your hand on the head of the Barack Obama lawn jockey Greg advertised on his blog if God would strike you down with a bolt of lightening for being a pompous hypocrite?
On a different note, I don’t know if anyone saw Charlie Rangel on the NBC Evening News belittling Luke Russert … what a jerk. With Dems like Rangel and Massa and John Edwards and Elliott Spitzer it’s hard to argue that all the fault lies on the side of the far right … the left doesn’t have completely clean hands.
All this heat is turning me into a Netflix junkie.
Emma, me too. Got any good recommendations? Instant watch por favor.
Moe, ho ho ho! Interesting prayer there. I guess the tent isn’t big enough for Buddists, Hindus, Muslims or Atheists? It sounds like only Christians are welcome and maybe a token Jew or 2….maybe…not sure on that one. Maybe someone will try your suggestion. Should we expect to see the sky light up frequently? Things in Manassas ought to sizzle.
I am reminded Bobby Dylan: With God on our Side
Dems do have their fair share of creeps for sure. My personal favorite was Gary Condit. What a sleeze-bag. Next in line, Mr. Monkey-Business himself.
Moe,
I read some of the comments on BVBL. “Bro” is wonderful and Sanford Horn has CLEARLY NEVER been in temple. I have NEVER and I mean NEVER EVER heard talk like that at Temple. That is church talk, “Christian” sermon speak, not Judiasm in tone, message, or anything else.
I agree, Rengel can be a jerk and there are enough stupid democrats to keep us all wondering what the hell party we want to participate in.
I wondering, for this party that now has a caucus in Congress, isn’t there some silly thing called seperation of church and state?
I recommend the show “Archer” on streaming. Sooooooooo un-PC and funny. Also, Zombieland just hit streaming.
@Moon-howler
“Donnie Darko”
anything “Mystery Science Theater”
definitely “Zombieland”
“The Boy in the Striped Pajamas”
“Weeds”
“Cake Boss”
@marinm I just added “Archer” to my queue–that sounds great.
Not in to splatter films. What is Archer about? @ Marin
@Elena: no party is the best answer for me.
I would have walked off if I had had to endure Dana Carvy of the Manassas Tea Party. Sounds like Church Chat to me.
Well, isn’t that special???!!!
http://www.hulu.com/watch/4151/saturday-night-live-church-chat
Sounds like someone is going for the Satan vote.
from the tea party “invocation” :
“O Lord, consider the man who occupies the Oval Office. Enlighten his eyes that his efforts would be right, and so that the enemy of his soul will not prevail against him.”
best Church Lady voice coming…………..”is it SaAAtaNNN”
BAWWAAAAHHHHHHHH
Thanks Emma. I have seen Boy in striped PJs and I thought it was very good.
Is Zombieland a splatter film or not?
@Morris Davis
HALLELUJAH! AMEN! SOMEONE SAID THAT ITS NOT ALL THE RIGHT’S FAULT!
@Moon-howler
Nothing in there that would offend Jews. Nothing was in “Jesus’s name.” It was in the Lord’s name. As to the others, I’m sure that they would be respectful and understand the meaning behind it.
@Elena
Nope. Nothing in the Constitution about separation of church and state. Just “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;”
@Moon-howler
Zombieland is more of a dark comedy. Some gore…not really splatter. I mean, there are zombies involved…..but its not the priority of the film like the slasher flicks.
I suspect if you had someone lay their hands on you while they recite this prayer that you will be cured of dandruff, athlete’s foot and perhaps jock itch and hemorrhoids. Not to mention halitosis and swimmer’s ear. Oral Roberts where are you when we need you?
I wonder if the local fishwrap would print this. They have a very limited word count so perhaps not.
MH, info on Archer at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archer_(TV_series) or http://www.fxnetworks.com/shows/originals/archer/
I thought my wife would slap me after the first episode but she found it very funny. I will caution you that while it’s a cartoon it’s probably not something you want the smaller kids watching. 🙂
Zombieland is less dark, more funny. I’d agree it’s dark comedy. I died laughing the first time I saw the “3” on the Caddi or when he finds a cache of guns/rifles and says “Thank god for rednecks!!” I’m man enough to admit my eye glistened.
While I have a libertarian bias I’d also recommend “Firefly” (short lived Fox tv series). Captures my view of govt pretty well 🙂 Same with the movie Serenity. If you haven’t seen the Proposal – thats a good movie on streaming.
Cargo, I do find it amusing that a nation built on religious tolerance tends not to tolerate religion. I may not be the best Catholic but as long as someone doesn’t get into my personal space I don’t care who they pray to.
@cargosquid
Elena and I both found it offensive. It really has nothing to do with naming dieties. It is content. And it does sound like only Christians are welcome…
The suppositions about elected and appointed officials was very offensive to me.
I instantly thought of that song from the 60’s: With God on our Side
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xF92JKKlfRM
Everyone thinks God is on their side, or wants him to be. Truly humble people ask for guidance and wisdom from God, rather than presenting a laundry list of what’s wrong with everyone else.
And that is just my opinion. I don’t like religion mixed with politics. I disagree about 1st amendment and will probably defend the establishment clause the way many people here defend the 2nd amendment.
Historically there have been many abuses.
Marin, is Firefly on instant watch on netflix? That is sort of Xfilesy isnt it?
All the ones I mentioned are on instant. I just got mailed my copy of Alice in Wonderland.. I heard it’s ‘trippy’. I think you’ll like it – you’ll be hooked and hate Fox as much as I do for cancelling it.
I watched Alice last weekend. I never liked the story as a kid but I liked the movie. It was well made and ‘trippy.’
I think I watched Firefly a fwe times. I hated them for cancelling xfiles and millenium.
what do you use to watch instant netflix? I am thinking about picking up a Roku player.
I bought an actual blue-ray machine by that can play anything. It plays my dvds, blue-ray, and downloads netflix. I got the insignia one because it was less expensive.
The list of players is here:
http://www.netflix.com/NetflixReadyDevices?trkid=921401&lnkctr=mh_nfrd&lnkce=nrd-ohm
Netflix will send you the Wii or PS3 dvd to make it accept netflix streaming.
I would probably actually get the blue-ray player because it isn’t that much more expensive than the roku player.
I usually just go lazy and watch on my computer though…..sigh.
Isn’t it amazing how fast those netflix get back to the company? I put it in the mailbox…at the house…which is picked up around 2. They get the return movie by about 10 pm same day.
Suggest “The Power of Redemption” by Peggy Noonan in today’s
WSJ op/ed section. The surprise isn’t wing nuts of the right or left
making wild statements, but that too many in the reasonable middle
not using common sense when confronted with those statements
and questioning them. Hopefully the Shirley Sherrod incident has
been a “teachable moment” for all of us.
Went to a PW Chamber event at Manassas Park’s new rec center on Adams Street near Costello Park yesterday. A really nice facility. I picked up brochures on renting out their meeting/event rooms. Lots of parking.
Here’s your chance to give community input: The Prince William County Continuum of Care is sponsoring a “Community Forum on the Draft Ten-Year Plan to End Homelessness” on Monday, July 26 from 7 to 9 p.m at Trinity Episcopal Church, 9325 West St., Manassas.
May want to open a new thread for Senator Webb’s
op/ed piece in today’s WSJ:
“Diversity and the Myth of White Privilege”.
I love this one, those who argue for more taxes and the redistribution of wealth are such do gooders until they have to pay:
Sen. John Kerry, who has repeatedly voted to raise taxes while in Congress, dodged a whopping six-figure state tax bill on his new multimillion-dollar yacht by mooring her in Newport, R.I. Massachusetts still collects a 6.25 percent sales tax and an annual excise tax on yachts. Sources say Isabel sold for something in the neighborhood of $7 million, meaning Kerry saved approximately $437,500 in sales tax and an annual excise tax of about $70,000. Hypocracy!
Why is that hypocritical? I think it is smart. I have friends who do all major shopping in Oregon to avoid that Washington state sales tax. They live in Washington to avoid the income tax of Oregon. Hypocritical? No, smart.
People with money generally know quite a bit about hanging on it it. I never heard anyone out of John Kerry about redistributing wealth. That tax he is avoiding is also a state tax. Isn’t he a US senator?
Thanks for the tip Poor Richard. I will take a look. I am very lazy today.
I heard the one woman has been fired for compiling a list of names of illegal immigrants and sending the list to law enforcement. Another one, who is a computer specialist is in the process of being fired. Those immigrant names were from Utah lists of citizen children who were receiving state aid.
I can understand why the women might not like that these children are receiving aid. I hope they are equally outraged by some of the polygamists living there who have their children from multiple wives on that same aide. Regardless of how much we don’t like something, they should not have stolen records and should have been fired.
The parents will not be prosecuted since the information was obtained illegally.
PR, its up.
During all this contemporary debate over illegal immigrants, there are those who sometimes claim that their opponents are “nativist” and even biased against the Hispanic culture. I ran across something very striking in a book called “Liberty: The Statue and the American Dream”, written by Leslie Allen and published by the Statue of Liberty-Ellis Island Foundation in 1985. We all know the stories of bias met by Irish, Italian, and Eastern European immigrants at the turn of the last century. But I thought we should also hear something more than a little ironic. I quote:
“…newcomers [in New York City] often displaced older residents. Longtime black inhabitants of the old “Africa” district, a narrow strip on the West Side, retreated uptown toward Harlem beyond the advancing Italian front. Down around Mulberry Street, the Italian succeeded “the contentious Irishman or the order-loving German” who had prospered and moved on. He was found more willing than either to submit to extortion at the hands of his landlord — often a “picturesquely autocratic” Irishman who had purchased his former abode “with the profits of his saloon.” At the same time, Italians and Jews, each overrunning their districts “to the point of suffocation,” were disputing “every foot of available space in the back alleys of Mulberry Street.”
In other cities, the situation was similar. One of Boston’s “little Dublins” became “little Syria” and then Chinatown. In a part of Milwaukee, Prussia yielded to Poland, and “Fritz” to “Ignatz.” There, a visitor read “no names but those that end with a sneeze.” In James T. Farrell’s novel “Studs Lonigan,” Old Man O’Brien complains of the Jewish influx in Chicago: “Pretty soon a man will be afraid to wear a shamrock on St. Patrick’s day, because there are so many noodle-soup drinkers around.” Ethnic progression was equally dramatic, and contentious, in smaller industrial cities. The French-Canadians of Lawrence, Massachusetts, objected to their new Italian neighbors, the Welsh of Johnstown, Pennsylvania, to the Slovaks who were moving in.
Even in ethnically homogenous neighborhoods, there were well-defined sub-boundaries and regional antagonisms. Northern Italians in New Haven, Connecticut, protested that “We don’t want no Dago here” when southern Italians began to arrive. Much larger, Chicago had at least 17 distinct Italian groups, clustered according to “campanilismo” – the traditional bonds shared by those within earshot of the same church bell. In New York, Neapolitans and Genoese, Piedmontese,and Ligurians all eyed each other warily. “Campobassiani mangia patani, cide pidocchi e suona campane” — People from Campobasso are potato eaters, lice killers, and bell ringers.” The old taunt was perpetuated in America, where “Siciliani” or “Calabrese” might be substituted for Campobassiani.
Likewise the Russian Jew, or “Litvak”, thought the Austrian “Galitzianer” “had no taste, took cream with herrings.” The latter retorted that the former was backward and uncouth. Block by block (“Rivington Street was only a suburb of Minsk”) and synagogue by storefront synagogue (New York had several hundred by 1910), Jews played out their own version of campanilismo, as did every other new ethic group with more than a few hundred members.”
The history of this country is absolutely fascinating to me. How we ever built this conglomeration of competing ethnicities and languages into one nation strong enough to win two world wars and create the greatest economic engine in history is, in my view, in the realm of a miracle. It is time, I think, to stop shouting at each other and to refuse to cater to the ethnic politics of the professional politicians. It looks like it is up to us on all sides of the contemporary immigration debate to come together and try to figure out how we can continue the great experiment we began more than 170 years ago when the first great waves of immigration arrived on our shores. It is imperative that we find a solution which is acceptable to all.
Glenn Beck is particularly over the edge as we speak. He is now doing Starwar imitations between making insane faces at himself and for the camera.
Do people really take this buffoon seriously? I am appalled. He even says he is a clown.
Very interesting, Wolverine. Thanks for taking the time to share that. Good history. We really haven’t been quite as welcoming as we would like to have others think, have we?
My mother was born in the 20’s. She told us she never had spaghetti or broccoli until she met my father who is from NJ, a bit more of a melting pot. Of course, he retorted with he had never had backbone pie until he met her. (talk about greasy…a real artery clogger)
Cargo,
Seriously, you want to debate the intent? Let’s just say, for arguments sake, Islam becomes the majority religion in this country. Would you feel the same, arguing that people don’t like having someone elses religion shoved down their throat? I am telling you, sharing with you as honestly as I can, that invocation does NOT welcome someone from my religious background. They may not say Jesus Christ, but THAT type of diatribe sound VERY Christian to me. Once again, in the services I have attended at Temple, never, not once, has a Rabbi EVER given such a holier than thou fires of hell save your soul kind of sermon.
Elena, as you know, I am mainline Christian. I didn’t feel very included either as I read that prayer. And why would I feel welcome. It was a politically charged prayer.
I like this prayer better:
“O Lord, bless this Thy hand grenade that with it Thou mayest blow Thine enemies to tiny bits, in Thy mercy.” And the Lord did grin and the people did feast upon the lambs and sloths and carp and anchovies and orangutans and breakfast cereals, and fruit bats and large chu…”… And the Lord spake, saying, “First shalt thou take out the Holy Pin, then shalt thou count to three, no more, no less. Three shall be the number thou shalt count, and the number of the counting shall be three. Four shalt thou not count, neither count thou two, excepting that thou then proceed to three. Five is right out. Once the number three, being the third number, be reached, then lobbest thou thy Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch towards thy foe, who being naughty in My sight, shall snuff it.” Amen.
I guess the meek aren’t going to inherit the earth?????????
Scratch that plan!
Sure, lets debate the intent. The intent was to ask God to bestow wisdom on our leaders so that they see the error of their ways and to bestow wisdom on Tea party members so that they do not fall into temptation to commit rash acts.
I did not say that the prayer was not Christian, but, as a Catholic married to a Jewish woman, in a Jewish wedding, assisted by a priest, living in a neighborhood surrounded by Baptist churches, and attending a non-denominational church, I’ve had experience with many services and prayers, including Temple. ( And to be honest, my wife has been made more welcome in the churches, than she has been by many temples.)
That prayer was composed by a Christian, the dominant group of the Tea Party is of Christian sects, so of course, it will “sound” Christian. The “diatribe” as you call it, to me somewhat disrespectfully (It is a prayer.), calls on the Lord, basically, to provide wisdom to our leader so that they may lead our country safely and to the Tea Party so that we do not become tempted to rash acts.
What part of this is a “diatribe?” Has your rabbi ever prayed for wisdom for himself and his temple?
Perhaps you disagree about the tone? That the composer disagrees with the current path of our leaders? Perhaps you disagree with the composer about the supposed mental state, intentions, and wisdom of our politicians. Fair enough. Perhaps what you feel is not that the prayer is not welcoming, but that the thoughts behind it and the people behind it would not welcome your politics. They would welcome YOU, but would argue and disagree with your politics.
As long as the Islamics allow me to practice my religion according to the First Amendment, I don’t have a problem. Unfortunately, history shows that once Islam becomes dominant, they restrict all other religions. That invocation may not be a Jewish, or Muslim prayer, but, according to our faiths, we all worship the same God. Heck, I know Wiccans that wouldn’t find that prayer offensive.
I don’t really understand what that prayer should have said to be “more welcoming” or less ‘unwelcoming.” Would you expect your Rabbi to change his style of prayer to be more accommodating to Christians when he writes a prayer for a large group that is predominantly Jewish?
A little irreverent Monty Python, sorry, but it’s too hot for me to get too spun up over politics this week.
@Moon-howler
Moon, the above is also an answer to your comment.
I don’t see how this prayer was offensive. It called on God to provide wisdom. Of course, your previous statements to show that you find most Tea Party….stuff….to be suspicious at best and offensive at worst.
@Wolverine
That is a great comment. My theory is that BECAUSE there was friction, BECAUSE the locals were forced to deal with “foreigners” and vice versa, we ultimately had a peaceful coexistence, because the friction rounded off the “sharp edges” and we HAD to live together.
Btw, I’ve got the Saturday Night Blues Up, and just NOW realized that it Friday. D’oh! Its a new feature. Every weekend, I’ll post some blues.
Warning. Music is good. Commentary may offend those that still like the current……administration.
I cringe when I hear the word “NetFlix”. That would be because I have had the same three CD’s in my possession since the spring of 2007! The Office, Weeds Disc 2 and Thank You for Smoking. Ugh. I have paid $18.99 a month for going on three and a half years. By my calculation I’ve paid over $684 for three CD’s that I haven’t even watched all of.
I lost the return sleeves and couldn’t remember my user name or password to log on. I finally got all that squared away a couple of months ago and have had the address and the CD’s in an envelope on my piled high desk for the last 4 months. Perhaps seeing the $684 in black and white will push me to send the damn things back this weekend! First I better clear the movies from my queue that I chose 3 years ago or I will end up with another three movies I won’t watch.
Okay, I found an envelope big enough to hold the DVD’s and they are all packed up. I put 8 stamps on it. I hope that is enough.
Thanks, Moonhowlings, for saving me another couple of hundred bucks!
Superheroes vs Westboro Baptist “Church”
http://www.comicsalliance.com/2010/07/22/super-heroes-vs-the-westboro-baptist-church/
I don’t think that the bigots knew what hit them…..
@Emma
Amen, Sister! Preach it!
My wife just read the prayer and she sees no problem with it. She says that , yes, its definitely written by a Christian, but, saw no unwelcoming things in it. She also said that if “that’s thought to be ‘a holier than thou fires of hell save your soul kind of sermon’, then you’ve missed the real thing.”
And no, she’s not a Tea Party member, or even a Republican.
I just expect political events to be religiously neutral. That prayer definitely wasn’t. It resumes there is something wrong with Congress, the courts and the President. Its one thing to think that, quite another to ask God to cure it.
My bottom line would be, I would have left if I had gone to check out the local tea party, just on the basis of that prayer because I would have thought I landed in a politically charged tent revival. That’s just how it hit me. Obviously other people weren’t grossed out. I was.
And yes, it really is very Christian without mentioning Christ. Implications. Cargo, if you had gone carrying and had been told to leave because of it, that is how a prayer like that hits me at a political gathering.
I am one of those people who finds religion a very private matter. I feel it has no place in the public forum. That’s just me. I watch like a hawk for the camel’s nose going under the tent.
What Sat night blues are you talking about, Cargo?
Actually, Emma, I can relate more to your prayer. It is flat out up front.
Twinad, glad to be of service. Call them. It would be worth it to call your credit card company and get them to issue you a new card number. I had to do that for itunes because of my gdaughter. It was costing me about 50 a month and I didnt know it.
Well, after I packed them up last night, I also logged on and changed my plan to one DVD at a time. My sister told me over a year ago to call them and see if they would give me a credit…she was horrified. It is embarrassing to call them and say, uh, I’ve had the same three DVD’s for over three years, can you give me a break? I doubt they will say, sure, TWINAD, we will refund you $500.
My son is using one of my accounts for his Itunes. He has been really good. I told him he needs to tell me before he buys anything and he has been great about it! His Dad wanted him to buy a song or game from Itunes and he told him “no, you have to ask Mom first before you can buy anything!”. LOL. He is only 9. I wonder how long that will last.