Several people have things to say that have no place to go. I hope DB will come back and give us more information on that book. Also, Rep. Weiner is on all the talk shows telling us why he is so angry.
Slowpoke is a new daddy. Congratulations Slowpoke Rodriguez on the birth of Little Slowpoke.
“Your misogyny is startling.”
Well, I didn’t mean to be taken that seriously.
Moon, you and Elena really deserve kudos for not mentioning Ebert’s review or using it to try to propogate some point of view. He is, undoubtably, the most popular film critic in the US. I salute you.
Isn’t it interesting that Ebert, less familiar than us with the real facts, came to his point of view by watching the film? Because the film is deliberately misleading. The casual viewer would assume that its story arc was a representation of reality, not a labored construction.
@Ring, Here’s the deal….I can say undocumented or I can say illegal immigrant or I can say illegal alien. Its my choice. I could have also said ‘out of status.’ The thing is, the woman and her grandson who were killed earlier in the year by a drunk (and not very drunk according to BAL) were killed by an American. It doesn’t make them any less dead or the driver any less of a drunk. The person’ status didn’t kill, the unwise decision of drinking and driving is what killed.
In the case of Carlos Montano, how did he fall through the cracks? Saying he shouldn’t be here is missing the point. Why was he out running around being an habitual offender, regardless of status. The much touted resolution was in effect in Sept. 2008. It sounds like PWC did all the right things.
The point I am making is that you can have all the resolutions, all the laws, all the SB 1070’s in the world. Montana was not deported, nor was he imprisoned until he was deported. He commited a crime which was drunk driving.
“Rick, were you as pure as the driven snow until you got married? If not, what would you be called? Man-whore? ”
Well, my wife thinks that I was too sexually active. My girlfriend on the other hand thinks I was too restrained. My boyfriend though, he sides with my wife.
(That’s a joke).
“Your misogyny is startling.”
Sorry to startle you, I didn’t expect to be taken seriously.
Just passing along rumor that I heard. Here’s another one –
Hillary is bisexual (I heard this rumor before it was prevalent, supposedly from a friend of a secret service agent – it’s also been spread by Gennifer Flowers, who was borne out on other very detailed stuff she claimed).
Deporting him isn’t enough. Drunk drivers need to be imprisoned, period. If Montano had simply been deported, he would have come right back. The Commonwealth is just too lenient on DUI offenses.
IMO Montana shouldn’t have been here and whoever (if anyone) was providing him with employment should be sued, along with ICE.
Wolverine, I don’t know why that is allowed to happen. I don’t know why ours (ugh I hate claiming him) wasn’t locked up until the day he took the big bird out of here from the 2008 offense.
Marin, I disagree that Rep. Weiner (Slowpoke, You are just jealous!) hurt the Democrats. You might not have been impressed with his rage but you didn’t like him anyway. Everyolne I have talked to Centrist on to the left agreed with him, including people who don’t usually like him. Democrats are often faulted for letting others define the rhetoric. Not Weiner….he went nuclear and then came out and defined his own interpretation of what happened. If more democrats did that, they wouldn’t be on the defensive all the time.
@Rick Bentley She’s a 30-year-old woman, so I would think her alleged teenage sexual exploits are hardly relevant. She wasn’t cheating on a spouse, she wasn’t hustling for sex in a bathroom stall, she wasn’t horsing around while her spouse was fighting cancer, and she wasn’t doing it in the Oval Office during business hours with a subordinate and a cigar. On the public-figure morality scale, I would say she’s looking pretty good by comparison.
MH, I guess (I still don’t agree with you) but at the end of the day a party that holds both the legislative and executive couldn’t pass a bill that had “winner” written all over it.
They actually played into the hands of the -R and made them swallow a defeat.
If the -D’s had allowed the amendments to be carried it would’ve been just like credit card reform where it would’ve passed easily…..with a rider allowing guns in national parks. 🙂
I kind of presumed that everyone here would not much care about her sexual history. That it would just be taken as idle gossip, that nobody here would go off and start hounding her as “used condom girl” or anything.
I find listening to and responding to idle rumors about a young ladies sex life repulsive and not worthy of debate.
@Rick Bentley “used condom girl” — ick.
A certain person is going to be real surprised when that certain person’s children become teenagers. What they post on Facebook (or what their friends post) will curl that certain person’s hair.
That’s the response I figured most people would have. In retrospect I should have contained my urge for attention and not posted that, sorry. The type of “whore” I am is attention seeking.
But you can’t delete posts, so after someone like me blathers on a bit too much, we’re stuck with it.
I know what you mean about posts. At times I have hit the “submit comment” key and then tried to “x” out of it, and to my horror, it’s always too late.
And I’m naturally argumentive and irritating. Must make me feel alive.
Right now, it would seem funny to me to say something like geez Emma, what’s the big deal, are you on the rag or something? But I’m restraining myself.
That probably wasn’t worth posting either. I’ll jyst do everyone a favor and stop now.
momma’s milk is the only way to go! glad to hear momma slowpoke is home and doing well!
Go Emma!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Shame on you Rick 🙁
I’ll put myself in time out. I’ll be over in the corner till tomorrow.
What if he had been given legal status back in 2006 when the congress was so close to a bipartisian bill. Then the nun would have been killed by a drunk driver, plain and simple. How far do we go back in doing the “crime predictions” ? Anyone see Minority Report with Tom Cruise?
@Emma
I was going to say something bad but Elena is on the phone and won’t let me. She says I will be acting just like a certain someone.
Emma, put that tin foil hat on Elena. Make HER wear it.
Seriously, that is what nuns do….they care for the poor and the down trodden.
Also the Obama administration has done more deporting than any administration since Eisenhower. He does enforce.
Rick,
good call on sitting in the corner for awhile, your behavior can be really disappointing sometimes.
Notice to all: If you ever type something you want to take back, email or call me. Email me at the [email protected] and I will send you my phone number. (if you are a regular)
We all do that…the finger flashing moments.
This should make the anti-immigrant folks happy:
Immigration memo may be a break for immigrants
By Alfonso Chardy | Miami Herald
An internal memo prepared for the head of U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services says it is possible to provide green cards or delay deportation for hundreds of thousands of immigrants who are now living and working in the United States without papers or permanent residence.
The recent memo to USCIS director Alejandro Mayorkas, released in Washington late Thursday, said one group that could receive green cards are the almost 400,000 current holders of Temporary Protected Status who include Salvadorans, Haitians, Hondurans and Nicaraguans.
The memo says young students who could qualify for green cards under pending legislation known as the DREAM Act could be granted deferred action, an immigration measure that delays deportation.
Another option for potential DREAM Act beneficiaries, the memo says, would be to “move forward” to 1996 — or another date — the registry provision of immigration law that makes eligible for green cards undocumented immigrants present in the United States since before Jan. 1, 1972.
The memo is the first formal indication that officials within the Obama administration are seriously discussing the possibility of helping certain categories of undocumented immigrants achieve permanent residence — absent immigration reform.
In Miami, Haitian and Central American TPS holders and potential DREAM Act candidates, cheered the options listed in the memo for Mayorkas.
“I welcome this with all my heart,” said Daniela Deteriere, 21, a Haitian TPS holder assisted in obtaining the status by Florida Immigrant Advocacy Center. “TPS is good to have but the future is still uncertain. With a green card you can plan long term.” Central American TPS holders also were happy.
“This would be a dream come true, if it happens,” said Alba Fonseca, a Honduran who has been in the United States for 20 years.
Fonseca and fellow TPS-holder Jacqueline Mairena of Nicaragua, said getting green cards would also save them money because with TPS — generally renewable every 18 months — they have to pay renewal fees all the time. Green cards generally last 10 years.
Gaby Pacheco of Ecuador, a former Miami Dade College student who recently walked with three other young immigrants to Washington to seek an end to deportations of undocumented students, said proposed deferred action for potential DREAM Act beneficiaries is welcome. But advancing the registry, she added, would be better because it would make youths like her eligible for green cards. She arrived in 1993.
Pacheco said she was happy the administration was taking into account the key petition from the youths who walked to the nation’s capital from Miami.
“This is what we asked President Obama to do when we walked from Miami to Washington,” said Pacheco. “We asked that the President end the deportations of potential DREAM Act beneficiaries and grant them deferred action.” Pacheco, Fonseca and Mairena were interviewed in the offices of Francisco Portillo, head of the Francisco Morazán Integrated Honduran Organization.
Besides listing possible options for TPS holders and DREAM Act candidates, the memo also lists other options for multiple categories of undocumented immigrants as well as legal workers, professionals and investors.
USCIS officials would not say what prompted the memo, but its title — Administrative Alternatives to Comprehensive Immigration Reform — suggests that high level officials within the administration may be considering ways to legalize classes of undocumented immigrants in case Congress doesn’t deal with formal legalization for the estimated 10.8 million immigrants without papers. USCIS said the memo merely reflects discussion.
“Internal draft memos do not and should not be equated with official action or policy of the Department,” said USCIS spokesman Christopher Bentley in an e-mailed statement.
“He added: “Internal memorandums help us do the thinking that leads to important changes; some of them are adopted and others are rejected.”
Several Republican senators have accused the administration of covertly preparing “amnesty” for large numbers of undocumented immigrants since it appears unlikely that Congress can pass immigration reform anytime soon in light of broad Republican rejection to legalization of all undocumented immigrants.
One of the senators who recently sent letters to President Obama and Homeland Security Secretary was Republican Chuck Grassley of Iowa. He released the USCIS memo and sent a copy to El Nuevo Herald.
Cheryl Little, executive director of Florida Immigrant Advocacy Center, which has assisted many Haitians to obtain TPS, said options listed in the USCIS memo outlines the best options without immigration reform.
“It’s no secret that Congress has failed to fix our desperately dysfunctional immigration system,” said Little. “Kudos to USCIS for exploring, within existing law, how to improve the system for our nation’s businesses and families
Read more: http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2010/08/02/98439/immigration-memo-may-be-a-break.html#ixzz0vXgQzTXI
@George S. Harris
The words you are looking for are “Anti ILLEGAL-immigrant folks” Libs have an awful time remembering that. Sign of more extensive brain damage.
I offered a long time ago to correct that problem but there was a trade off. NO one was willing to make it.
And some folks who are anti illegal immigrant are also anti-immigrant. Do a little history on FAIR. Therefore it is just shorter not to make the distinction. I can’t take a poll every time I want to discuss it.
FAIR and Numbersusa both have a long history of being anti-immigration.
@Moon-howler
If you want to see a beautiful thing about a Dad and his daughter, Google:
“SmilingSnaps chelsea clinton”
No matter what you think about Clinton, I believe he cherishes his daughter. I also believe that Chelsea was the one who held her parents together after the terrible WH events.
As for Ken Starr – can’t even find words for that dirt spewing cur. The millions of dollars wasted!
Chelsea at Stanford – big DUH!
@Slowpoke Rodriguez
I, for one, enjoyed hearing Rep. Weiner speak. Very refreshing to see someone show true outrage. Actually, I didn’t hear much of what he was saying, I just enjoyed the performance. Wish there were more of the Capitol Hill people who’d let loose once in a while.
I agree with you Punchak. I have always liked Bill Clinton and I enjoyed watching Chelsea grow up. I expect she did hold her parents together.
Agree about Ken Starr also.
Just a point. Being anti-immigration is not a bad thing, as long as its not based on race, etc. Many believe that a moratorium on immigration would be wise to let the current immigrants begin to assimilate without added pressure of more immigration. No one has the right to come here.
That said, our immigration process seems, in my uniformed opinion, to be very……complicated and needlessly arbitrary. Reform is needed.
And speaking of curr dogs, to the one who suggested that Elena and I had a defense fund for the nun killer…no. Now why would we do that? That is such a childish thing to say.
Apparently that individual didn’t snoop long enough or he would have seen how Elena and I feel about the situation.
I will say this, however. The death of Sister Mosier and the serious injuries of the other 2 sisters is tragic and unnecessary. I hate seeing their good works being turned into a political situation. All morning Sister Denise Mosier’s picture has been plastered all over Faux News. Her death should not be turned into political opportunism.
Regardless of where Martinelly was, he could kill someone. Location doesn’t matter. substance abuse does matter. Let’s remember that a life has been lost and 2 others hang on by a thread and leave the politcs alone.
Well, here are some open questions though :
Should ICE deport a twice-convicted drunk driver? Or not. I vote absolutely yes. I think that drunk driving, shoplifting, anything like that should result in automatic deportation.
Do police put less drunk driving checkpoints out because there are so many illegal immigrants driving illegally? and they don’t want to deal with it.
I think habitual offenders should be deported if they aren’t citizens. Yes, I am saying even legal residents should be sent home if they continually drive impaired.
I think drunk driving checkpoints are unconstitutional. I know the Supreme Court disagrees with me.
@George S. Harris
I agree with George on this, it will make the anti-illegal trespasser groups happy. Its just one more reason to vote out the soft-headed, anti-sovereign America supporters of illegal immigration.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/aug/2/obamas-immigration-back-door/
A man writing on another blog with a black background said this : “This is what the Obama Administration means by “prioritizing” deportations: let’s allow the criminal alien element to graduate to the really big crimes when we can’t ignore them any longer before we bother to deport them.”
The Obama administration has deported more individuals than any previous administration. They are way ahead of schedule.
This situation cannot turn in to a ‘let’s pick on Obama’ fest.
Who remembers where that graph is?
MH is referring to (correct me if I’m wrong MH, I don’t want to speak for you):
Criminal Removal – The deportation, exclusion, or removal of an alien who has 1) been charged under a section of the Immigration and Nationality Act that requires a criminal conviction and that charge is the basis for the removal or 2) a criminal conviction noted in the Deportable Alien Control System (DACS) for a crime that renders the alien removable. An alien with an appropriate criminal conviction is considered a criminal alien regardless of the section of law under which the alien was removed.
I support the idea of a person being declared a habitual offender being flagged for Criminal Removal (resident aliens) or 1st offense DUI/DWI flagging an illegal alien for immediate deportation.
Pretty much, marin. I will give anyone 1 mistake but they need to not let it happen again. Absolutely people can be deported for crimes even though they are legally in the country. Isn’t that what happened to lucky Luciano? He got sent home to Italy. He entered the country legally.
“The Obama administration has deported more individuals than any previous administration. ”
Because the only Presdient who ever had to contend with nearly this many was Bush, and he only during the latter years of his term.
And from today’s WaPo:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/08/03/AR2010080302519.html?hpid=topnews
Spoken like true nuns. Thanks, Censored, for locating these remarks. I am not at all surprised that they feel this way.
I have watched poor Sister Denise plastered all over the TV today, mainly on Faux News. I hate seeing this tragedy politicized.
@Slowpoke Rodriguez
No, MH iscorrect–I meant exactly what I said–ANTI-IMMIGRANT FOLKS. Conservatives–those whose shoe size exceeds their IQ–have stirred up xenophobia in this nation to the point of near class warfare.
Since Rick likes to spread rumors so much, passing them off a a joke, maybe we should start one about him and how he really likes boys. But, after all, no one will take us serious since it is just an idle rumor. 😉
@Rick Bentley
Another unfounded statement–So what you are saying Rick is that maybe 10 million illegal immigrants have come in in the two years President Obama has been in office? WOW! There must be a traffic jam at the southern border. People backed up for miles waiting to swim across or stomp through the desert.
@Censored bybvbl
I agree with MH–if they had said anything less they would not be nuns. And of course, if Faux News had been around when Christ was crucified, they would have had a camera right there with a bunch of talking heads commenting on the words of the thief and those of Christ,would have commented about how painful the spear thrust must have been, etc, etc etc.
The only people guilty of cynically “politicizing” this issue are the politicians who pander to voting blocs and to the businesses that are allowed to get away with hiring non-citizens, and refuse to enforce our laws. Too many hands in too many pockets, and people die needlessly.
Yes, we can forgive, but this drunken murderer needs to pay his earthly price, too. Jesus forgave the criminal hanging on the cross next to him, but he did not deliver him from earthly punishment, as he was surely able to do. Simply deporting Montano will deliver him right back onto our streets to kill someone else. It’s a revolving door.
BTW, are there any numbers out there about how many of Obama’s supposed legions of deported aliens have passed right back through that revolving door?
Probably thousands more of the obama-portees have returned than the bush-portees. [sarcasm button on]
I think the sisters are allowed to say how they feel for heavens sake, even if iut is not how I would feel. The incident is being used as high political theater.
@Emma
Emma–your last question is just beginning to scratch the surface of the real issue here. And your first paragraph is right on the mark. There is so much we don’t REALLY know about illegal immigrants. It is said that we have somewhere between 275,000 and 325,000 illegal immigrants in Virginia.
My first question is, “How in the hell do we KNOW this?” They don’t report themselves.
Secondly, how many illegal immigrants are here in Prince William County?
How many students of illegal immigrants are in our PWC schools?
How many illegal immigrants use the public health system for their care?
How many illegal immigrants use our hospitals and don’t pay their bills?
How much do illegal immigrants contribute fiscally to our community–sales taxes, property taxes, personal property taxes, and yes, income and social security taxes?
A lot of people put up a lot of crap on here as gospel and even I may guilty of that but it is time to come to grips with the issue of immigration as it affects us. Not by innuendo, not by unfounded “facts”, not by gossip, but by facts.
If, as it is said that illegal immigrants are as big a drain on us as it is reported, then we must do something to rid ourselves of those who are killing us fiscally or we must find a way to assimilate them and make them taxpaying members of our society–I did not say “citizens”, but full, participating “taxpayers”.
It seems that the Black Velvets think that the moonhowlers have a legal defense fund started. Ladies!!!!
YYYYYYY said on 3 Aug 2010 at 12:19 pm:
Do we know how much money the loony women on the Nut Site have collected to defend this parasitic illegal?
XXXXXXX said on 3 Aug 2010 at 12:46 pm:
Interesting that the “nutbags” are silent on this.
What are you ladies hiding?
@George S. Harris
George, how do you find out if states are sued for
findingpassing laws to find out who is here illegally? How do you know about these things you ask if people continually yell racial profiling if someone wants to have documentation?One cannot say on the one hand that police should not ask and then say things are flawed because we do not know.
the first finding should be striken
Why xxxx and yyyyy, you have caught us. We have amassed over $2 million dollars for the Nutbag Parasitic Illegal Defense Fund!
Get serious. This is a tragedy. A woman is dead. 2 others are maimed. Why does it have to be turned in to political fodder. We have commented. It does not need to be beaten to death.
Let’s allow Sister Denise to rest in peace. Let’s honor the wishes of the good sisters of that religious community.
Nothing else needs to be said.
Reporter, I don’t think I want any more of their vile comments over here. I appreciate you keeping us informed. I don’t mind being a nutbag but I don’t like human beings being referred to as parasites.
“I think habitual offenders should be deported if they aren’t citizens. ”
What about singular offenders? Should we suffer an illegal immigrant to be allowed to remain here if they shoplift, drive drunk, commoit domestic assault and get caught (the first time)?
To me, it’s absurd to.
Here’s something heartening. Our government put a guy away for 11 years, for sneaking back in to the US repeatedly. http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/08/03/mexican.illegal.immigrant.sentenced/index.html?hpt=Sbin
Aaahuugga!
David Letterman: “Happy birthday to President Barack Obama,” who would be “49 years” old “tomorrow. … If he had a birth certificate.”
gotta love it 🙂