Senate Judicary ranking Republican Lamar Smith (R- Texas) wants the Department of Homeland Security to start tracking the illegal immigrants who are convicted of drunk driving. He then wants to deport every last one of them, according to the Washington Times.
Current law doesn’t require DUI suspects to be detained, thanks to a 2004 Supreme Court interpretation, but Mr. Smith said U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement can detain illegal immigrants in such cases anyway, and he wants that to become the policy.
“Doing so will prevent these aliens from again getting behind the wheel of a car and killing or maiming innocent Americans,” he said in his letter, a copy of which was obtained by The Washington Times. “Sadly, such a new policy would come too late for Sister Mosier. However, many other lives can be saved.”
Matt Chandler, a spokesman for Ms. Napolitano, said Homeland Security would not respond to Mr. Smith through the press, though he said the department is conducting a review into why Mr. Montano was not detained in 2008.
Too bad all the drunk drivers can’t be deported, regardless of country of origin. This story is still raging on in the Richmond Times Dispatch also. Unfortunately, that newspaper made what many people might consider a very bad mistake. The Richmond Times Dispatch printed the names of Carlos Martinelly’s children in a story that was printed on August 8:
Authorities believe he is a 23-year-old native of Bolivia. He is the father of two children, a girl named XXXXX, 2, and a son named XXXXXXX 1. He also is charged with involuntary manslaughter in the death a week ago of Sister Denise Mosier. [Names redacted by editor.]
There is simply no point in printing the names of those children who are ages 1 and 2. Shame on the Richmond Times Dispatch and shame on the reporter. I am disappointed in the ‘state newspaper.’
We will have to wait to see what happens with Senator Smith’s request as far as policy change goes. There are still many unanswered questions as to why Martinelly wasn’t in jail and what other crimes he had committed. Meanwhile, Smith says, “No more for the road,”
Heck, deport them if they are innocent of any other crimes, if they are illegal aliens.
And we all know that isn’t possible without becoming the Third Reich.
You may need a history lesson.
I support the deportation of illegal or legally present aliens for the crime a drunk driving conviction.
hmmmm 10 million ellegal immigants. Deport them all. Let’s see how is that going to happen? Tell you what, how about a math lesson? @ poke
I would support deporting repeat offenders after they served their sentence.
You would have to ‘deport’ them, just kill incentives for them being here and they will leave on their own. It’s not rocket science.
Step 1.) Do what uber hypocrite Harry Reid tried to do in 1993 and end birthright citizenship to illegal alien parents: http://hotair.com/archives/2010/08/13/harry-reid-tried-to-end-birthright-citizenship-for-illegals-in-1993/
Step 2.) Make it illegal to hire day laborers like Arizona did with SB1070 and which stood up in court: http://tucsoncitizen.com/view-from-baja-arizona/2010/08/01/no-decision-on-sb-1070-appeal-before-november-elections/
Step 3.) Revoke business licences of employers who repeatedly hire illegal immigrants.
Step 4.) Block all government handouts/assistance to illegal immigrants.
Do all of that and watch them self-deport, problem solved. Your welcome.
More catchy phrases that don’t mean crap, Hello.
It is already illegal to hire illegal immigrants. News flash. It has been illegal to hire them in Virginia for about 20 years at least.
Illegal immigrants don’t get social service assistance. Their citizen children can get social service assistant.
There are 2 more victims of drunk driving here in Prince William County. 2 teenagers from Haymarket were killed Sunday in the wee hours of the morning, right around Parnell Court and Logmill Road. Judging from the last names, neither appeared to be immigrants, but of course, I don’t know that for a fact.
I hope that those that have been so vociferous over the last drunk driving death will continue the hue and cry over drunk driving. I feel like we are in the middle of an epidemic. The ages on these kids were 18 and 15. It appears the older one was taking the younger one home. Another person in another car was injured also.
ABSOLUTELY. This is in the interest of public safety and I would hope that we can all agree this is worth doing.
@Moon-howler
And an equally important question was —how was it that there were an 18, 16 and 15 year old in the car at 3:28 AM?
@ rez
I don’t have any idea. I don’t know anything about a 16 year old. Perhaps they were put partying or perhaps there was a very legitimate reason for them to be out there. 18 year olds don’t usually party with 15 year olds.
I believe the driver of the other car was 22.
@Rick, totally agree. I wish there were some answers.
Was the 18 year old the intoxicated one? That’s the impression I got from the story..
Can’t even sue the parents for the loss as he was an adult and his estate would be what’s sued.
“Illegal immigrants don’t get social service assistance. Their citizen children can get social service assistant.”
– ah, yeah, that is one of the reasons why Harry Reid introduced a bill to end birthright citizenship. Wow, never thought that I would agree with Harry Reid on anything.
Marinm, that would depend on whose name was on the car title.
I don’t need a math lesson (us dudes are good at math). I know that we don’t have the resources to deport millions and millions of illegals. I also know we really don’t have the resources to support them. I also know we don’t NEED to deport them. Enforce the law, and they’ll deport themselves. However, there is no more vile and ignorant assertion than “enforcing our nation’s borders is equivalent to the extermination of millions of Jews”. I know you’re smarter than that. You know it, too. On the other hand, part of me thinks that these comparisons should continue ad nauseum, as it really makes people’s Bravo Sierra indicators go berserk.
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@Moon-howler
The article I read said that the girl in the back seat was 16 years old.
I agree, Deport EVERYONE caught drinking and driving! even if they are citizens, nothing will sober you up faster than having to find a way back home from being dropped in the middle of Mexico with nothing!
Zero Tollerance, teach people to keep their debauchery in the Bar or Home.
I agree, Deport EVERYONE caught drinking and driving! even if they are citizens, nothing will sober you up faster than having to find a way back home from being dropped in the middle of Mexico with nothing!
Zero Tollerance, teach people to keep their debauchery in the Bar or Home.
@Rez, You are right. I went back and reread the full version. I was just looking at the synopsis.
And Slowpoke, I never said any such thing…and you effen well know it. If you are going to quote me, make sure you dot all the i’s and cross all the t’s.
What I said was I knew no way to deport 10 million people without becoming the third Reich. Big difference. Nothing pisses me off more than to be lied about.
Speaking of Bravo Sierra, you are making more than my radar going off. Do not ever reword my statements to suit your own political purposes. EVER.
I have always supported defending our borders. You sir, are a liar if you say otherwise.
“without becoming the Third Reich”. You were referring to only to the price of cabbage during the Third Reich, right?
After all, produce prices were the most well-known aspect of the Third Reich! What was I thinking!?!
You cannot deport 10 million people without becoming something that you don’t want to become.
Yeah, you can’t let 10 million people in either without becoming something you don’t want to become.
There were people who felt that way about the Irish, the Italian and the Poles also.
I think that deportation of 10 million people is simply out of the question. The 10 million folks didn’t get here yesterday or January 2009. It has been an ongoing process. When did you decide to start howling over it?
Hmmmm, remember how those Irish, Italians, and Poles had skills when they came? Look at the rolls from Ellis Island, heck, the skills are listed right there! You know, skills that benefitted the United States and it’s economy? Not necessarily skills like, “master burrito maker”, “Masonic-level expert heroin-smuggler”, or maybe “journeyman-level baby-producer”.
No, you can’t deport 10 million people, but you can enforce the law, and they’ll deport themselves. My offer still stands to personally buy enough dum-dum suckers to give each deported and self-deported illegal a nice, delightfully-flavored lollipop for their journey back. I’m big-hearted like that.
You can deport 10 million people. Start with the first one, continue until done. And if it takes decades, so be it. Get the 14th amendment clarified. The author of said amendment stated that he did not consider the children of aliens within the country to be citizens. Therefore, no child of illegal aliens are citizens. B’uh bye. What is it that we are going to become that is so bad if we start deport illegal aliens AS WE FIND THEM?
As to the rest, start actually enforcing the laws, start deportations instead of MORE reviews, get ICE to actually act like an IMMIGRATION agency and not a crime fighting agency.
Instead of “comprehensive immigration reform”, we need comprehensive immigration ENFORCEMENT.
I am not so sure about those skills. I am also not sure people were honest about them. Many an immigrant worked garbage detail after they hit Ellis Island. Additionally, they didn’t come with papers. They got them at Ellis Island. I believe you are overly romanticizing Ellis Island.
Need I tell you how offensive your examples are?
That’s how it all starts….by dehumanizing others. Little by little and soon it becomes ok.
It is all becoming lots of talk, little action.
@Cargo, you are assuming there is no replacement of deportees. Do you have a source for the author of the 14th? Who was the author? Birth right citizenship doesn’t ask for papers.
From Wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birthright_citizenship_in_the_United_States
During discussion of whether to pass the 14th Amendment, there was debate over granting citizenship to anyone born in the United States. The author of the 14th Amendment Citizenship Clause, Senator Jacob M. Howard, stated, in reference to the Amendment, “This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the family of ambassadors, or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons.”[4]
In 1873, The United States Attorney General ruled the word “jurisdiction” under the 14th Amendment meant:
“The word ‘jurisdiction’ must be understood to mean absolute and complete jurisdiction, such as the United States had over its citizens before the adoption of this amendment. Aliens, among whom are persons born here and naturalized abroad, dwelling or being in this country, are subject to the jurisdiction of the United States only to a limited extent. Political and military rights and duties do not pertain to them.”[5]
The Citizens Act of 1924 (codified in 8USCS 1401) lists two separate categories of people born in the United States as citizens (a) a person born in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof; (b) a person born in the United States to a member of an Indian, Eskimo, Aleutian, or other aboriginal tribe.
This is why we need to get clarification on “and subject to the jurisdiction thereof,”.
Immigration in the 19th and early 20th century was significant, was controlled and largely legal. We asked them to come. Today, we have a totally different, uncontrolled and largely illegal migration into the US. The argument that we have to accept this situation because we do not have the capacity or resources to deport 20 million illegals is the same argument for not securing the border, e.g, we do not have the will to do so. This simply acknowledges the electoral power of that that illegal community – and that should concern us.
I too took offense to the suggestion that the deportation of illegals was tantamount to creating a Third Reich atmosphere. It is an argument designed to cut off debate and force the acceptance of amnesty. If you believe that say so but cut out the Nazi and racist BS.
I believe the court has clarified it serveral times. If Howard wanted it to exclude those people then it should say it excludes them. To me, we have jurisdiction over everyone inside our borders.
I believe the 14th has always included anyone born in our country or the terrirtories. It should have been fixed back in 1865 if there was something wrong with it.
I just don’t think we can go changing amendments without going through the amendment process. If it is important enough, it will work. I frankly don’t care if it is changed or not but that is the only way I would support it. I guess my “Rule of Law” roots are showing.
Actually, what I referenced is the only clarification of that clause. We aren’t changing an amendment. We are clarifying it. The intent, according to the author of said amendment, is plain. Children of illegal aliens are not citizens.
Hit submit too soon.
Now, clarification may go either way. It may be decided, without a shadow of a doubt, that the courts mean that any birth in America means that you are a citizen. However, that would mean that any tourist birth, foreign agent (consuls,etc), green card, etc, would be a citizen. Because, if a tourist can give birth and not have a citizen baby, then neither can illegal aliens, who are just “undocumented tourists.”
TP, if you are offended, that’s too bad. I am offended that anyone thinks we can deport 10 million people. Think about what that would take and this is after they were rounded up.
And this is what I said, “And we all know that isn’t possible without becoming the Third Reich.”
Don’t try your weasel-word crap on me. I have no problem deporting criminals after they have served their sentences. I do not and will not ever approve of rounding people up and deporting them without reason.
Cargo, it doesn’t matter what he meant. It wasn’t just up to him re writing the amendment. It is what it says. All fo them back then had every opportunity to oppose it or reword it. If they wanted to exclude offspring of foreigners they should have said so.
I think tourist births are citizens. It is up to the parents and the rules of the country of origin, or at least that is what I always thought.
Many illegal immigrants are undocumented tourists who have overstayed their visas.
@Moon-howler
Yeah, and you may be romanticizing the worth and skill of migrants from our immediate south. So go ahead, list the many marketable skills of these folks sneaking over our southern border. And no, they can’t build a house worth a nickel. I want to hear this.
Actually, Moon, that’s kind of the crux of the illegal immigration thing. Libs are more than willing to sacrifice our entire nation on the alter of political correctness. Me? Nope.
@Moon-howler
He didn’t reword it . HE IS THE AUTHOR.
“If they wanted to exclude offspring of foreigners they should have said so. ” He did.
“The author of the 14th Amendment Citizenship Clause, Senator Jacob M. Howard, stated, in reference to the Amendment, “This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens,”
“I think tourist births are citizens. It is up to the parents and the rules of the country of origin,” So our laws don’t matter? No requirements to meet?
As to deportation, we wouldn’t have to deport 10 million. Once the threat actually had some teeth, more would self-deport. Since one cannot profit on the illegal actions, they go home with nothing.
“I do not and will not ever approve of rounding people up and deporting them without reason.” What part of “here illegally” is hard to understand? They are not supposed to be here. You state that you want a secure border, yet, apparently support open border policies and anyone can come in with meeting our requirements.
EDIT above: can come in WITHOUT meeting our requirements.
It should have been stated in as part of the amendment. ‘Jurisdiction thereof ‘ is certainly debatable.
@skow,
I don’t know what you think I think of hispanic illegal immigrants, and yes, that is what we are talking about. Actually, I don’t think much differently of them than I do the Poles, the Italians, the Greeks, the Irish. Different era. What kind of skills to you think those immigrants had? Not particularly high. Most had very little education. All wanted better opportunity.
@Cargo,
Usually one person doesn’t craft the wording for amendments. Generally they are hammered out by committee time and time again. I am not buying it. I have no problem with amending the constitution. I do have a problem with putting one person’s values on a entire amendment that has been approved by 2/3rds of each house and 3/4ths of the states.
Apparently, according to history, the committee liked his statement.
Actually, I don’t have an opinion about birth right other than it says what it says and has been interpretted as birth meaning birth. Therefore, for it to change, it is going to have to either be reinterpretted by the court or be amended. We can’t just change it because we don’t like it. There are procedures we must follow. Is that being a Rule of Law nazi? If so, guilty as charged.
It doesn’t matter what we think or interpret that the ‘amenders’ thought. It is what it says. Besides, my PEEPS really don’t like those people in congress in 1865. Weren’t those the radical republicans? My PEEPS were on the way to being a conquored nation.
There were only 44 votes on that amendment in the Senate. I don’t think the Confederacy was represented. But regardless of who was there or wasn’t there, it doesn’t matter what he said. It matters what is written. And anyone in the country comes under our jurisdiction with the possible exception of diplomats and visiting dignitaries.
That’s exactly what I mean by the clause being clarified. Right now, we DON’T KNOW if the children of illegals are citizens. We only treat them that way. Actually, I believe “squatters rights” should be in effect for those children. If you can prove that you were born in America by date X, then you are a citizen. If not, then not a citizen.
Oh, and aliens that are not immigrants are not under our complete jurisdiction. If we arrest one of them, their embassy must be contacted.