Pima County sheriff Clarence Dupnik has come under fire for referring to his state, Arizona, as a ‘mecca for prejudice and bigotry.’ Those are harsh words, but is the sheriff just calling it as he sees it?
The longer version (7 minutes) where Sheriff Dupnik talks about his thoughts. He does not call out a specific group or person here either. He just talks about the history of threats against Gabby Giffords and also about the level of anger in the rhetoric in this country.
It is important to note that Sheriff Dupnik called no individual or group by name. Perhaps those who follow the sheriff’s politics know to whom he is referring. I do not. Is Arizona a mecca for bigotry? If yes, what has made it that way? Is it just about immigration or do other political issues come in to play? Congresswoman Giffords was a strong supporter of increased border security.
Moonhowlings featured a post on Sheriff Clarence Dupnik last spring. He felt it was stupid to throw illegal immigrants in jail at tax payer expensive when he could just turn them over to the border control. At the time, it was also determined that the mayor of Tucson also opposed the new Arizona legislation, SB 1070. He turned thousands of undocumented immigrants over to the border control.
As we return to the question, is Arizona a mecca of intolerance? Does the political climate in Arizona make this state more vulnerable to shootings and assassinations? Does the drug violence have any play in this discussion?
I listened to Beck today. He shouted and berated everyone but himself and said he never used violent rhetoric. I expected to get struck by lightning just watching my own TV.
I suppose it isn’t violent to call the president of the United States a racist. I don’t know. I feel like I live in bizarro world.
I suppose it is just a difference in standards. I simply don’t see where he gets off telling off everyone else in a loud angry tone.
@Moon-howler
Wow, what a difference 12 to 24 hours makes. Right back to the far left. You interested in seeing some of the hatred and violence espoused by the left through the Bush years? Diving right into the political battle. How much did you love Democratic West Virginian Manchin blasting away during his commercials?
Selective hearing….I’m familiar with the problem!
Cargosquid, why did you skip the warning on that article:
“This is a claim. We’ll see if it’s true.”
Sheriff Dupnik has not been particularly popular with the right, especially the anti-immigration crowd. Commentators are acting like he is a new discovery rather than someone they have not liked hearing from for quite some time.
How have I changed? I told everyone this post was going up. I didn’t put it up until last night, purposefully.
Actually, I have not dived into anything but my own blog. You all already had the political cesspool started. I am not happy over it.
I was horrified at Beck. I haven’t heard anyone on the left, not am I speaking for anyone who might be considered left.
Why is Manchin coming up? I think he is an a-hole but who cares what I think. I never saw his commercial until election day. I happened to be in WVA at the time.
No, selective web surfing. I don’t go looking for things to rile me up. I avoid far left and far right spots.
I left of that “claim” statement because of this. Sorry.
http://ace.mu.nu/archives/310495.php
“I had left a question mark about this element of the charge. But as commenters, and Moe Lane, tell me, Dupnik himself confessed that Loughner had made death threats.”
and
http://moelane.com/2011/01/10/did-dupnik-dismiss-loughner-threat/
@Moon-howler
This blog has been an example that should be followed.
I’ve not been listening to Beck lately. Kid’s sick, and we have the TV on.
But the Left has just been going nuts. They REALLY want to pin this on the right, especially Palin and the Tea Party.
MH – Your description of AZ as a Mecca for prejudice and bigotry is proving accurate. The anti-gay, anti-Obama, anti-abortion, anti-any religion other than Christianity hate-mongers from Westboro Baptist Church are going to protest at the funerals for the shooting victims, including the funeral of the 9 year old girl born on 9/11. Phelps posted a video saying the shooter was sent by God, praised him as a hero, and said the 9-year old girl was better off dead. http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/01/westboro_baptists_thank_god_for_giffords_shooting_will_picket_funerals.php
Cargo,
What validity do these blogs have as far as substantiated facts regarding what the sheriff knew or did not know. To me, these stories do NOT sound credible. If he had diagnosed mental impairments, he would have been unable to purchase a gun.
Moe,
What a sick scumbag this Phelps gang is, and I say gang because they are thugs in my mind.
@Cargosquid
Would that be the very same left that vociferously commanded us not to rush to any conclusions about the motives of the Fort Hood shooter?
@Emma, actually, I believe that was the President who said not to rush to any conclusions.
We might want to ask ourselves the following: What if the shooter had gotten away and there was a man hunt for him. How would questioning go? Where would law enforcement begin? Probably they would start with a list of enemies of the Congresswoman and the judge. Who would have surfaced at the top of the list? For the Congresswoman–opponents, political opponents, people she had beaten out, people who disliked Jews, Democrats, pro-lifers, etc etc. For the judge- who had had he beaten out for the job, people he had sent to prison, disgruntled divorce parties.
Questioning perceived enemies is human nature and also a part of law enforcement.
I don’t think as much in terms of left and right as some of you all do. That is perhaps because I am not a consistent ideologue.
Right now, it all sounds like politics as usual. I think we will all emerge out of this with better manners. That would be my goal, at least.
@Elena
As was reported by both local sources (via here) and Reuters, Sheriff Dupnik himself revealed that Loughner had made death threats against at least one person who was not Congresswoman Giffords.
Links are at the blog for Reuters and local sources.
http://moelane.com/2011/01/10/did-dupnik-dismiss-loughner-threat/
Sounds like Cho all over again.
“As we understand it, there have been law enforcement contacts with the individual where he made threats to kill,” Dupnik said during a press conference Saturday evening. But he wouldn’t say who those threats were aimed at.
That remark seems vague. Could have been the campus police. Could have been anyone, We may never know.
I am curious. Where are all the leftie stations and websites? I should go take look.
I was horribly offended by Beck and O’Reilly. If there is something out there that set them off like what I heard, I should see it myself.
Sarah Palin has been awfully quiet lately. Where is she? She isn’t just another rightie blogger, she is an aspirant to the Office of the Presidency of the United States. I, for one, would like to know what she meant by those crosshairs on Giffords ‘ district. And i want to hear it from her, not one of her thousand defenders. But so far, nothing but a “tweet” or two.
At times of national tragedy, individuals who aspire to be national leaders seize opportunities to lead. Sarah Palin has yet to do so. She is not fit to be President of the United States.
I’d bet a year’s pay I know how THAT will turn out!
Slowpoke, you must be one miserably unhappy dude. Obviously these leftie sites don’t exist or you would have been more than happy to rub my nose in them.
Starry, I had the TV on most of the night. I keep hearing how she responded ‘with grace and dignity.’ I sure haven’t heard a peep from her.
What I did hear is horrible attacks on Sheriff Dupnik. He is a 76 year old 30-year vet of the same police force. He knows more about what is going on in District 8 than the rest of us. I heard so many people calling for his job. He would probably love to retire.
Giffords has had her door kicked or shot in hours after she voted for the HCR bill. She has had death threats. There are neo-nazis in the desert and the immigration issue roars on. I think Dupnik can certainly address the tone of his own region. I NEVER heard him assign a cause/effect to this tragic incident.
I think the issue here with the Sheriff is that instead of providing the facts and figures that people want he’s decided to use his pulpit to speak towards his political idealogy.
From Huffington:
“If you are in law enforcement and you are not a right winger- you will get all kinds of heat from the right wing nuts,” he told Couric.
Later in the interview, he took issue with laws that allow the carrying of concealed or non-concealed weapons at all times.
“That’s the height of insanity,” Dupnik said. “I don’t know what else they can do. Maybe they could pass a law that would require that every child have an Uzi in their crib.”
He’s Sheriff. He was elected to serve and he also has a 1A right to say what he wants to say but you can’t claim that the dial needs to be turned down on political talk and then make those claims.
I think it’s disappointing that he’s using a tragedy to push his view but as I am not a voter in that district my opinion doesn’t amount to anything.
I heard a “rightie” on the radio last night say we needed more tax dollars to address mental health issues long term. I heard a leftie say we needed to slow down on the blame game and focus more on diagnosis, treatment and assessment and punishment.
Things are looking up.
@Moon-howler
We’ve been mentioning who the offending lefties have been. Olberman, DailyKos, Krugman, assorted others. The difference is, now the “right” won’t just take it anymore. The “silent majority” is silent no longer.
Nina Totenberg, Wolf Blitzer….. no one should take this crap from either side anymore. Put them out of business or make them more responsible. We control it.
But act like we’re victims…. Victimization, yet another casualty of personal responsibility.
Juturna, maybe what’s in order is a good old fashioned shunning (either by changing channels or ignoring) the apologists on both sides.
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Cargo,
The only substantiated comment I can find is this one:
Dupnik said there had been earlier contact between Loughner and law enforcement after he had made death threats, although they had not been against Giffords. He said the authorities believe he may not have been working alone.
To suggest that the Sheriff had a formal report on Jared’s mental status appears erroneous.
I don’t recall hearing about violence after the medicare prescription act was passed, nor do I recall any violence from people over the Iraq war, or torture allegations, or FISA, or the Patriot Act. What I do recall are elected officals being accused of not being patriots if they questioned the war in Iraq, what I do recall is Max Clealand being likened to Osama Bin Laden because he had concerns about the Iraq war, THAT is what I remember. Or how about Michelle Bachman suggesting there be an investigation into the patriotism of her fellow congressmen and womn.
Shunning works. Can cost people money too.
@Elena, for anyone to have a formal report on Jarod’s status he would have had to undergo an evaluation. I don’t think that happened.
There is lots of myth and crap floating about….that simply isn’t true.
Juturna, who are you suggesting we shun?
Elena, what was done to Max Clelland was horrible! He grew increasingly despondent and had serious bouts with depression for 2 years after that. The smear campaign against him was probably the lowest, vilest thing I have ever heard of.
A pox on the house of whoever did that.
Sheriff Dupnik is apparently no liberal as has been suggested. He is his own person for sure.
http://www.slate.com/id/2280767/
I don’t consider him a “liberal.” I just consider him a big mouth that seems to be the gift that keeps on giving….
He seemed to be blaming the cause of the attack on everyone but the nut.
I am sick and tired of hearing the same old tired mantra” Guns don’t kill people, PEOPLE kill people” For God’s sake, it’s so damn obvious: If these sick bastards couldn’t get their hands on clips that can shoot 30 rounds or more at a time, they wouldn’t be able to kill off so many people so damn quickly. It is time to have some common sense and some firearm regulations in this country. How many people have to be murdered before we get this through our heads??? this has nothing do do with gun control. If people want to hunt or target practice or protect themselves, they can keep their guns, but semi automatic weapons should be off limits. Jesus God almighty……… I am sick and tired of the NRA and their multi million dollar lobby. It’s about profit disguised as freesom to bear arms. I wish people would use some critical thinking
oh, and YEA Elena.
From Instapundit: http://pajamasmedia.com/instapundit/113027/
(links in the paragrah are at “shut up” and “Police say” at original Instapundit post.”
ARIZONA REPUBLIC TO SHERIFF DUPNIK: Shut up and remember your duty. “Enough attacks, sheriff. Enough vitriol. It is well past time for the sheriff of Pima County to get a grip on his emotions and remember his duty. . . . Dupnik needs to recall that he is elected to be a lawman. With each additional comment, the Democratic sheriff of Pima County is revealing his agenda as partisan, and, as such, every bit as recklessly antagonistic as the talk-show hosts and politicians he chooses to decry.”
UPDATE: Dupnik should have been doing his job before: Police Say They Visited Tucson
Suspect’s Home Even Before Rampage.
I don’t know why Dupnik makes these remarks but he’s starting to tick of HIS people now.
And just for the record, I am a “liberal” in most cases. It is NOT a dirty word.