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Jon Stewart analyzes the latest Palindrome.
Strange, he sees the same things I do. The slightest criticism becomes persecution. UFB. He didn’t even call and ask my opinion, this time.
Palin threw down the gauntlet by sayings ‘for those on the left would have no standards if it weren’t for their double standards.’ I sure hope she isn’t counting on MY vote, since I bet she includes people like me in her ‘left.’ So when asked why I don’t care for her, I will just go with that:
Where is he wrong in his assessment? It pretty much comes from the Caribou’s mouth in this one.
Sarah Palin is a fool and an idiot; a buffoon, if you will. She is neither fit to be, nor will she ever be, President of the United States.
The Expert Opinion!
After that low lobbed insult to half the people in the United States, from the centrists to the actual liberals, she sure sealed her deal. I am not so sure Starry isn’t spot on.
If you really want a sinking feeling in your stomach, go listen to the Kennedy inauguration and then listen to Palin sling barbs and play the victim. She definitely sounds a little bit less magestic.
I agree with Juturna. Elite leadership isn’t always a bad thing. If I want to get a little off that ledge, there is always Bill Clinton.
“Sarah Palin is a fool and an idiot; a buffoon, if you will.”
You know, that kind of uncivil discourse could really drive someone to….oh, never mind.
emma,
not the same as suggesting one is anti american or quoting from thomas jefferson “The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.”
Once again, no one, to date, has answered these very simple questions I have been asking. Where was the outrage when a 700 BILLION dollar medicare prescription drug plan was passed? Where was the outrage over the Patriot Act? Where was the outrage over NCLB? Where was the outrage when we invaded Iraq over false information? Were was the outrage when, instead of Iraq’s oil wells paying for the war, as Cheney had told us, we are footing the boll for TRILLIONS of dollars and LIVES lost?
WHERE WAS THE OUTRAGE FROM THE CONSERVATIVES ????????????
It was there, Elena. Not all of us are as blindly partisan as some here like to think. I thought from the beginning that both (unfunded) wars were an outrage, even as many Democrats were joining in the war cry. Yeah, let’s go to war with no real goal in mind, but let’s not ask anyone to make any kind of sacrifice to do it–we’ll just borrow more from the Chinese! Where is the outrage that the Democrats continue to refuse to fund the war effort, continue to borrow from the Chinese, and then actually think they have a leg to stand on when they lecture the Chinese about human rights? And speaking of human rights, where is the outrage that Obama did not fulfill his campaign promise to close GITMO? Where was the liberal outrage when Nancy Pelosi voiced that “we should do more” when she was briefed on waterboarding?
For that matter, what happened to the daily body count in the press? Soldiers are still dying, and yet nobody seems to care anymore. Why? Well, because it’s BUSH’s war! We have abandoned our soldiers in favor of the “domestic agenda”–and we borrow, borrow, borrow to make some of the most unprecedented changes to the American economy in history. And where is the outrage at the ever-growing list of Obama-supporting organizations who are exempt from Obamacare? If this keeps up, who is actually going to pay into that system to sustain it? I know I will simply refuse, and then simply pay the paltry fine when the need for healthcare arises. Where is the liberal outrage at this loophole-and payoff-ridden piece of crap that passes for real reform?
Where is the outrage on the left over the fact that the Obama Justice Department has upheld every element of the Patriot Act? The silence on the left is deafening, although there are no fewer infringements on privacy now.
WHERE IS THE OUTRAGE FROM THE LIBERALS??????
“Petty woman”. Pretty appropriate.
Not a liberal except in the eyes of the Right so I wouldn’t know. I think it is very unfair to suggest that people don’t care. Moe Davis resigned his commission over the situation at Gitmo. I think he put his money where his mouth was.
I feel certain that George Harris keeps a daily eye on the killed in the line of duty. I check it fairly often. I think George probably also keeps an eye on those who have been seriously maimed.
I haven’t called on the President (either one of them) to immediately remove the troops. That just isn’t how it works. To do that would leave the entire region even more unstable.
Whose going to pay for it? Good question. I expect we are. Outrage is fairly unproductive. We are still paying for WWII. Might as well add some more on to it.
Now, where is the outrage over what Palin said? Even if you aren’t outraged, how about just being a little pissed off?
How rude of her. Talk about having trapped rat mentality. And so she takes a good swipe at half of the people in America about not having standards. She is just pissed off that the liberal half has standards that don’t include her.
Once again, deflect, deflect, deflect. Where was the TEA party and fear of socialism with Bush, of big brother etc etc. There are MANY liberals VERY unhappy with Obama, seriously, you haven’t noticed? I happen to know several of them and they are very outspoken. However, not because Obama is a “communist” or “socialist”, but because they feel he has not followed through on his campaign promises. That he is too close with Wall Street, that he picked people like Gietner. However, the unhinged response from the right since Obama has won has actually silenced much of that criticsm, who wants to pile onto the guy who has been so viscerally attacked since he took office.
Wait for it……………….here it comes, “you mean, just like Bush was attacked?” People, on 9-11, were able to put behind a VERY contentious election, lets not forget, for weeks no one knew who the President was going to be, and yet, they put aside the anger and were able to rally behind the President.
Obama won resoundingly, no question, no waiting for one state to decide the electoral college.
As of yet, that response has not happened, with never happen, even in the wake of Tuscon, never happened with Clinton, and won’t happen with Obama. Gee, I wonder why.
Elena,
There was plenty of outrage over perscription drugs, from conservatives. Talk radio almost uniformly opposed it. I, and most of my conservative friends were opposed to it. Many of these same conservatives, both nationally and locally opposed NCLB.
As to outrage over the Iraq war, you are operating from a false premise, that Irad did not have WMDs, WMD programs, or were in preparations to begin them. Pre-invasion, the intelligence agencies of the US, UK, France and Israel, all had intelligence indicating Saddam Hussien possessed finished WMDs, was developing additional WMD’s, and was preparing to stand up new programs.
Post invasion, it was learned:
1) Iraq did have small quantities of bio-chem warfare WMD’s, some of which were transferred to Syria, some of which were buried in the desert (and later found), prior to the invasion. Several thousand mustard-gas and several hundred nerve-gas shells were found. Just because they were “leftovers” from the first Gulf War, doesn’t mean that Saddam didn’t possess them, and he knew exactly where they were. They were being hidden from weapons inspectors. The shells may have been deteriorated, but the agents were very active and could easily be set into new and different delivery systems.
2) We believed Saddam was developing new weapons programs, because Saddam, and his intelligence agency believed it. We later learned that many of the Scientists working on the programs were lying about their progress, and feeding him false progress reports.
3) We also learned, in the wake of the UN Oil for Food Scandle, Saddam had so corrupted the program through bribery, he was preparing to throw off sanctions for the purposes of restarting his WMD programs, specifically his nuclear program. This is right out of the investigators report.
Lastly, the US Treasury is currently holding several billion Iraqi Dinars, and other assetts, siezed at the opening of the invasion. Part of the intitial peace negotiations, and subsequent negotiations with the new Iraqi government involved repayment of US reconstruction expenses. In order to recoup this, we first must put Iraq on a stable footing. The siezed assets are surety against the debt owed to the US and American people.
Elena
If there were no WMD’s in Iraq, then Wikileaks lied. The recent intel dump by them confirmed that there was WMD in Iraq. On a personal note, if Bush knew that there were no WMD’s, then I spent weeks wearing chemical warfare gear for nothing. Our military EXPECTED to be hit with gas, or worse. We expected every SCUD to be filled with gas. And the last report by the inspectors stated that Saddam had a nascent nuclear weapons program ready to go as soon as the sanctions were lifted.
Just how involved with the right were you to know that everything was fine and dandy? The Tea Party came about, not just because of Obama, but by the disgust of conservatives with the REPUBLICAN party. You have noticed that its the GOP that is the main target of the TP, right? You did notice that conservatives stayed home through, not one, but two elections? How much more outrage do you want? Most conservatives don’t “demonstrate”. They just vote. Or not.
The Patriot Act? Dept of Homeland Defense? NCLB? Prescription Drug Plan? They were all soundly criticized by conservatives. Conservatives are behind the curve when it comes to organizing. That was a talent of the left. Until Beck started saying, “We surround them.” and “We outnumber them, they work for us.” and invented the 9/12 project, most conservatives had no clue how to go about protesting anything. Until Santelli’s idea of a Tea Party rally spread, we had no way to get our voices heard.
Where are the anti-war demonstrations demanding that we bring the troops home? Where’s Code Pink and A.N.S.W.E.R.? Why the deafening silence of the media on combat deaths, compared to the Bush years? Why no more reading of the names or the daily count? Where’s the outrage in the media that Obama has kept all of Bush’s policies? Nothing prevented the Democrat Congress from REPEALING all of the above or investigating any Bush claims. They had ALL of the same intel. If the Democrats and the Left had a problem with what Bush did, they had the perfect opportunity to cancel it all and investigate EVERYTHING.
Apparently, once Bush was gone….it didn’t matter to Reid and Pelosi anymore.
Today’s liberals ARE upset with Obama. No, of course not because he’s too socialist, but because they want him to be even farther to the left. He has broken so many of his promises. That’s what we on the right tried to tell you. He was lying. His idea of socialism is more of a corporatism, closer to the fascist ideal. Big government and big business work hand in hand and make all the rules. However, that’s still doesn’t explain why they are now silent about Obama continuing Bush’s policies. He’s a progressive of the old school, mixed with 60’s radicalism. He’s all about a more centralized, more powerful government.
@Cargo,
Funniest thing about that 56% approval rating Obama has.
Maybe its my age and because you were out being a squid, but….from my seat, conservatives have known how to organize for a very long time—long before there was a Tea Party. I believe that the problem (and yes, I do see it as a problem) is that some of you youngsters have tried to redefine ‘conservative.’ You think people like Barry Goldwater and William F Buckley are RINOs.
Oh, and about that oil? CONGRESS is who nixed our oil deals in Iraq. The Democratic Congress.
WHAT oil deals in Iraq?
@Elena What deflection, Elena? I answered you point for point, except it looks like I left out the idiocy of NCLB. You want to know why conservatives weren’t yelling and screaming about this, I want to know why liberals aren’t yelling and screaming about some of the exact same things that have not changed. Why aren’t liberals protesting the Patriot Act anymore? It’s like they pretend it was something that was going on during Bush’s watch, and magically disappeared with Obama. But the Obama Justice Dept. upheld it! And yet in every single forum I look at, someone conveniently forgets that little fact while they enumerate their various Bush-era outrages. The left can pretend that any opposition is all about Obama’s race all it wants, but many of us aren’t going to let them get off that easy.
Where was the outrage when Cheney said deficits don’t matter?
“You think people like Barry Goldwater and William F Buckley are RINOs.
I don’t.
People…can we just agree that those on the opposing side do things and say things that tick us off, we are going to be much more critical of the policies, gaffs, etc. of the other side, than we are going to be of our respective sides. Can we also agree that we are much more sensitive to “incoming fire” than we will be to “outgoing fire”?
Or we can continue this thread in the manner it is currently progressing. If that is the case, I’ll play along:
Where was the outrage when the Obama Justice Department dismissed the well documented voter intimidation case against members of the New Black Panther Party? Caught on tape, two members of the NBPP standing outside a polling place, dressed in military style garb, waving clubs, and shouting race-based insults against whites attempting to vote. Where’s the outrage on the left for these bullies, these thug-tactics, this attempt to subvert the exercise of democracy?
@Steve, I am not sure why that was dismissed or why it even got to the justice dept. Those thugs were just as wrong as someone wearing white robes, a hood and a pointed hat. I believe the point was, and I don’t recall all the details—the person who did it was smacked on the wrist. I believe most of us think he should have been slapped harder. Is that the issue?
I think the point boils down to, how much money do we want to spend on one thug? Was there an actual victim? I think lack of a victim mitigated the circumstances with DOJ. No one I know thought the behavior should be excused. He was a racist thug. Not the first. Won’t be the last.
Incoming fire hurts much worse than outgoing, Steve. You are right.
Some of my contributors haven’t yet learned that there are folks who come and lob a grenade just to see everyone scramble. As long as there is reaction, it will always be fun to lob grenades. That’s part of what its all about.
@Starryflights
Apparently you didn’t listen to talk radio then. It was there. And again, the lack of voter turnout for the GOP might be a clue…….
Moon, when you say “organizing” I don’t think that we mean the same thing. I’m talking about the average conservative that stayed home and just worked and voted. The “silent majority.”
I’m not talking about the Republican party.
Oil deals: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/11/world/africa/11iht-11iraq.16055936.html?_r=1
Other countries got the oil. OUR Senate (think Schumer) killed our agreements.
I wasn’t talking about Republicans necessarily. (not party members) I was just talking about conservatives. Around here there is almost no difference, but they have been organized for a long time, in their own way. Often it is through church. Sometimes it is through lobby group. I would say I have seen this organization for the past 25-30 years.
@Starryflights Apparently, the left has no problem with them, either.
Wish this had a “Like” button, as Facebook does.
@Moon-howler
Fatalities in Afghanistan to date: http://www.defense.gov/news/casualty.pdf
Nearly 50% are under 30. Our “seed corn” is being destroyed and yet almost no outrage on the part of the American public in general. Look back at Vietnam–where is that sort of outrage?
And Steve Thomas–please provide supporting documentation on all the WMD stuff that was found.
And Cargo–wearing MOP gear and being attacked are two entirely different things. Kinda like the trailers that Colin Powell pointed out to the UN.
And lastly–The prescription drug program has helped huge numbers of folks be able to buy medications, pay the rent/mortgage and buy food. How do I know? I have been working with this program since its inception.
Moon,
“Some of my contributors haven’t yet learned that there are folks who come and lob a grenade just to see everyone scramble. As long as there is reaction, it will always be fun to lob grenades. That’s part of what its all about.”
Yes. “When in doubt, Frags out” is a phrase I am well acquainted with.
The objective of my example wasn’t to solicit a response as to why the case was dropped, but you brought up some things I hadn’t considered, regarding costs and a potential lack of actual victims. I agree, same message as a Klan March.
No, my point is this thread, and the open thread have devolved into a game of one-upsmanship. It’s political badminton. The someone on the right does something or says something the left doesn’t like. The left does or says something the right doesn’t like. Next we get into the whole “where was the outrage when…” as if either side has a monopoly on righteous indignation. Next we’ll be debating the Missouri Compromise of 1820. What is ironic is I have read some uncivil things, on a thread where “civility” is discussed. Granted, the worst ad-hominem has been reserved for Sarah Palin, there’s been bits here and there thrown at others.
“wearing MOP gear and being attacked are two entirely different things”
Really? I was wearing MOPP gear because of incoming SCUDS carrying unknown warheads. So….yeah. not so much of a difference. We were EXPECTING chemical attacks.
http://www.examiner.com/law-enforcement-in-national/wikileaks-saddam-s-wmd-program-existed-iraq
http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2010/10/wikileaks-show-wmd-hunt-continued-in-iraq-with-surprising-results/
George,
http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2010/10/wikileaks-show-wmd-hunt-continued-in-iraq-with-surprising-results/
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,200499,00.html
Here’s 2 articles with links to the primary sources embedded.
George,
Here is some more:
http://www.nysun.com/foreign/iraqs-wmd-secreted-in-syria-sada-says/26514/
http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/satellite-photos-support-testimony-that-iraqi-wmd-went-to-syria/
Steve,
The report by our own government says otherwise about WMD’s.
Emma,
Patriot Act was not high on my list, but I will give you that one. Now, how about all the others. Once again, where was the fear of government tyranny run amuck?
George,
Still more;
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=71076
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m5QWD/is_1_3/ai_n25121563/
I feel like I am in some alternate reality. This was the official report by our own government.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/10/06/iraq/main647840.shtml
The final report of the chief U.S. arms inspector for Iraq was expected to undercut a principal Bush administration rationale for removing Saddam Hussein: that his Iraqi government had weapons of mass destruction.
In drafts, weapons hunter Charles Duelfer concluded Saddam’s Iraq had no stockpiles of chemical, biological or nuclear weapons but said he found signs of idle programs that Saddam could have revived once international attention waned.
Duelfer, head of the Iraq Survey Group, was providing his findings Wednesday to the Senate Armed Services Committee. His team has compiled a 1,500-page report; it is unclear how much will be made public.
Elena,
That’s right. Duelfer report showed that, AT THAT TIME, there were no massive stockpiles. And as Steve showed, its possible that it went to Syria before we invaded.
Saddam HAD to make it seem as if he had those stockpiles. He had to be seen as dangerous. He had Iran on his door step. Besides, he used them on his own people. So, he did have them.
I do believe that the prescription drug program is a good effort to help the retired – and as more research is done, there are many therapies that move to drugs that would have been treated by other methods in the past – and the outcomes are better (think cholesterol and blocked arteries). The issue is that the so called Fiscal Responsible Party are the ones that pushed it through knowing full well that the new entitlement was not funded – and actually prevented the CMS Actuary from revealing the true cost estimates. Even Boehner, who is rallying to cut all this spend (which must be done) – voted Yes to Part D, and then went on to vote NO to bringing in cheaper drugs from Canada.
They cannot have it both ways – I do not trust any of them in Congress.
Elena,
Which report? The Duelfer report? I read that report. I have a shrimp-net with fewer holes in it. Basically, it concluded “we didn’t find them, therefore they didn’t have them”, despite much evidence to the contrary. I am an operations analyst by trade. In analytical thinking, this is called the “green frog conclusion”, as in “I only ever see green frogs. Therefore all frogs are green”. As evidenced by wikileaks, it would appear that the government knew the report was not complete, and had evidence to the contrary.
I have friends who served and are still serving there. They found the vx and mustard shells, hidden away. They were in charge of disposing of them. All of the news reports of actual discoveries of chemical weapons shells, bio-weapon shells, etc were ignored. If we didn’t find “Fatman” or “littleboy” then Iraq didn’t possess WMD’s. I have news for those who aren’t all that educated on WMD. Mustard and nerve gas is WMD. Maybe Iraq’s nuke program was in its infancy, and perhaps Joe Wilson’s claims are true, that Iraq didn’t have a ready source of uranium, or all the parts requred to enrich it…yet. N. Korea didn’t have all the ingredients either.
If you want to argue that we never made the clear linkage that Saddam was getting ready to hand all this over to Al Queda or Hizzbolla, I’ll conceed this. The evidence was thin at best, even though the UN’s own investigation on Oil for Food did show some of Saddam’s illegal gains were funneled terrorist groups, we can’t prove he actually gave them WMD material. The UN report, as well as several other investigations into Oil for Food also concluded that one of main objectives of Saddam’s bribery was to get the sanctions lifted, to restart his nuclear and bio-chem programs in full.
To me, that sounds an awful lot like intent. Does the Police Officer, when observing the masked gunman getting ready to enter the bank, wait until he comes running out with the bag of money, before acting? He could, but then how does he justify the dead security guard and teller?
@Elena Cargo said it best in # 12:
I was disgusted with the runaway war spending, the creation of layer upon layer of largely unfunded bureaucracy post-9/11 (and we all saw how well THAT has been working when Director of National Intelligence Clapper had absolutely NO clue that terrorists were arrested in London a few weeks ago, and told the whole world on ABC News. Talk about the emperor having no clothes), the idiocy of NCLB and the overwhelming feeling that the middle class would always be shouldering most of the burden of funding every wild-hare political giveaway program, no matter which party was in power. The feeling that my children’s and grandchildren’s futures would be mortgaged while today’s retirees, who are wealthier than any previous generation, comprise such a huge voting bloc that no one has the political guts to tick off the AARP by asking for any sacrifice from them.
As far as the fear of tyranny, I think it has to do with the scale of what the Democrat Party is attempting. Taking over such a huge portion of our economy with a wildly flawed health care “reform” that will still leave millions uninsured, knowing all of the political payoffs and backroom deals that were involved in forcing it to a vote, and learning bit by bit how many fingers this bill has into our everyday lives–yes, that I believe is one example of a really good reason to fear tyranny.
And where is Cindy Sheehan these days? She’s good with our sons and daughters dying now? Doesn’t care if they come home anymore? Reminds me of when Reagan was president, and all of the focus on homelessness, the hunger strikes, Mitch Snyder and his bully pulpit–as if Reagan invented the problem. Amazing how the advocacy groups for the homeless simply fade away when a Democrat is in office, just like the war protestors.
Steve Thomas is right that we could go back and forth forever on this. Where were you when…but where were YOU when….well, we’re all getting had all around, and neither side can claim the moral high ground.
@Elena
“I feel like I am in some alternate reality. This was the official report by our own government.”
What you read, and what was reported on, was the author’s conclusions, based on the evidence he viewed. I try to view every “official report” critically. Critical thinking would require one to look at the same sources and see if you reach the same conclusions. It would also call for looking at contradictory opinions, and the evidence used to form those as well.
What other “sources” are you referring to? If anyone would have wanted to prove that there had been weapons of mass destruction, don’t you think it would have been our own government? Furthermore, you are suggesting that the investigators had to disprove a negative, ie. just because they did not find them, doesn’t mean they don’t exist. If this philosphy is all we need to invade other countries, we are in deep doo doo.
I would get rid of the Dept of Homeland Security Theater. Dept of Energy, Education, HUD. We need to cut our national budget by, at least, 1 trillion dollars. I would have Congress debate our national security goals and decide what path we are going to follow. Do we need 10 carrier groups? Do we need to keep troops in Europe? Korea? Do we need the ATF to be separate from the FBI? How about that Drug War? Social Security – lets raise the pay out age. Medicare? That’s a mess. I don’t know how to fix it. We have to decide what our goals are in the war theaters. AND THEN DO THEM. If Obama wants to pull out, then freaking PULL OUT NOW. If not, go hard. We have to decide what weapon systems we need based on the threat, not what will keep plants open in districts. We don’t need TWO F-35 engines.
We MUST pay off China as fast as we can. They have a choke hold on our finances. We have to stop borrowing money. We have to cut spending. We have to put it ALL on the table and start over. We need to cut regulation and taxes by simplifying the tax code and lowering the rates. We need to make this country competitive again.
slick willie, the democrat party controlled congress, and every intel service on the planet was laboring under the impression that saddam had wmd’s. it wasnt like georgie boy just had a revelation during the night and decided the next day gotta do iraq
@Elena
By your logic, if Bush had gone in on FALSE PRETENSES, then we WOULD HAVE DEFINITELY found WMD. It would not have been a search. It would have been “found” quickly, just to back up his premise.
Why is it so hard for you to believe that Saddam had WMD supplies? He used them. There is evidence that he moved out massive amounts of…something…to Syria, just before the invasion. He truly didn’t expect us to invade, I believe. I think he was thinking that he would still be in power and get his stuff back.
Btw, did you know that one side effect of the Iraq invasion was the closing down of Libya’s nuclear weapons program?
“Palin threw down the gauntlet by sayings ‘for those on the left would have no standards if it weren’t for their double standards.’ ” – oh come one now Moon, you would say much worse if soooo many people on one side or the other were saying you directly caused a mass murder with no evidence at all which started just 2 hours after the first shot was fired… I’m just saying.
Besides, I don’t think her statement was that far off… 🙂
However, the funniest part of this whole thread is when you say “Palin threw down the gauntlet”, really, by implying the left has a double standard? Was it that bad that you deem it to be ‘throwing down the gauntlet’? I’m just waiting, but not holding my breath, for a thread showing your outrage with Rep. Steve Cohen (D-TN) basically calling Republicans (and anyone who things Obamacare should be axed) Nazi’s and then going on CNN and doubling down on that claim with Anderson Cooper. Don’t think it will ever happen because this guy has a D next to his name but you never know… wishful thinking maybe?
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/anderson-cooper-has-frustrating-exchange-with-nazi-comparing-rep/
Elena,
If you look at the wikileaks info, you’ll see the sources. If you read the actual news reports (embedded reporters, standing next to servicemen, digging up the buried chemical munitions (mustard and vx), if you read the op-eds refuting the conclusions in the Duelfer “official” report, and then take the extra step to check the evidence used to support both arguments, you would have a mountain of evidence that indicates:
-There were WMD’s in Iraq and Saddam was quite inclined to use them.
-He had every intent of restarting his programs once he broke the sanctions.
-While Saddam may have been fed exagerations as to the progress of his secret programs, clearly HE believed he had a huge WMD stockpile. That is why the Clintons, the CIA, MI6, the French, the Israelis, the Jordanians, the Saudis…all of their intelligence agencies believed he had actual production programs, rather than the R&D programs he did have.
No we can argue whether or not this was sufficient moral justification, but under the terms of the 1991 ceasefire, there was more than sufficient legal justification.
for invading.
yes, steve cohen, d-tn, poster child for civilty and toning down the rhetoric. the subject line on this topic says it all: Those on the left would have no standards if it weren’t for their double standards
Hello, no one has to apologize for not liking her any more. She cleared the forest by basically saying we are all amoral A-holes. That will be her new campaign slogan.
There has been no greater victim than Ms. Martyr Palin. Waiting for the next Palindrome to hit. Once you tell half of America they have no standards, how does she think they are going to react? She pissed off the Old Guard R’s. She pissed off the centrists to liberals.
Its all about numbers.
Ya know, for a woman that is NOT a politician, has no power, is only a TV talking head, and has made no intentions known about future office, there sure is a lot of concern about what Sarah Palin did, does, and will do…….
Almost, as if, the left is worried about her image and wants to keep it diminished……
Personally, I think that she would be stupid to run for President. Why put herself through that when you can get rich on TV?
you can always tell whom the left fears the most: the ones they attack most vigorously
@e,
What is it you want us to say about Senator Cohen? Do you think he was appropriate? I haven’t heard anyone support him yet on the subject. I listen to Morning Joe most mornings. Good cross section of people as conservative as Pat Buchanan and as liberal as Mika Brzezinkski–no one cut him any slack.
It seem redundant and like old news to comment. It is right up there with saying John Edwards is a sleezebag. How many ways can you say it? Silence probably says it best. Why give him the attention?
@e
PUH-leez. Who is this the left fears? Hopefully not Palindrome. Please don’t confuse ridicule with fear. Did you think they feared Christine O’Donnell also? That was laughter, not quaking bones.
“What is it you want us to say about Senator Cohen? Do you think he was appropriate? I haven’t heard anyone support him yet on the subject.” – I have yet to see that every 10 minute clips on MSDNC of him and ANYONE demonizing him or calling him an anti-Semite yet either.
It’s one of those things that makes you go hmmmmm…. he said the same phrase Palin did and then went about 10 steps further and I’m just waiting for him to be bashed. But, like I said, won’t hold my breath for it. I doubt the distinguished Ed (I shot my dog, beat my wife) Shultz will even mention it. And I doubt you will dedicate an entire thread about how he “threw down the gauntlet” either. Why, because of that pesky D next to his name. It’s kryptonite to criticism from the ‘left’.
However, I do get your ‘Silence probably says it best. Why give him the attention’ argument. I really do, but it begs the question, why not be ‘silent’ about Palin? I think the answer is… wait for it… a double standard. What’s that saying…. the silence is defining?
I honestly believe that if she wasn’t the main focus of just about every show on MSNBC/left radio/left blog we probably wouldn’t ever be talking about her today.
So let me get this straight… try to help me understand this thinking Moon:
Situation one: A person accuses one side of having a “double standard”.
– the reaction – an entire thread dedicated to how she “threw down the gauntlet”.
Situation two: A person compares Republicans, and anyone who wants to repeal Obamacare (over 50% of the country) to Nazi’s.
– the reaction – “Silence probably says it best. Why give him the attention?”
Hmmm… What am I not getting about there being a double standard or why saying such is “throwing down the gauntlet”?
Is saying the ‘left’ has a double standard THAT much worse then diminishing the slaughter of MILLIONS of innocent men, women and children?
@ Steve and Cargo–
Thanks for the “irrefutable proof”—and I bet you have the same kind of proof that the earth is flat. Oh, I know–You should have included Judas Powell’s testimony before the UN. I wonder if he has spent his 30 pieces of silver yet.
@hello I hope Senator Cohen calms down his rhetoric a bit. You know, there could be a susceptible person out there who could take action based on his inflammatory words.