142 Thoughts to “Open Thread…………………………………………Friday, February 18”

  1. Big Dog

    According to recently released 2010 census numbers –
    Hispanic % of population:

    Virginia – 7.9
    PWC – 20.3
    Manassas City – 31.4
    Manassas Park – 32.5

    Explains why immigration may not be as big an issue state-wide as it is here.

  2. punchak

    Loudoun Times endorses, more or less, Tom Rust as a candidate for the Senate in 1012 to run agains George Allen.

  3. Terp

    The Congress just showed what ignorant pieces of dog dung they really are. The new kids in town are little better Taliban. Sharia law is headed our way.

    Great way to limit abortion, you nimrod rubes, cutting off birth control services. You think medicaid is high now. Just wait. Get your check books out.

  4. Raymond Beverage

    Moon, my friend, you should never have asked the question about the weather….last good day with a temp dive leading to snow in the forecast for Tuesday 🙁

  5. @Raymond, I hear that the wind is supposed to blow like the devil tomorrow. It was raining a while ago today.

  6. DB

    Yeah…mother nature is such a tease:) She got me all ready for spring. I did hear there are high wind warnings for tomorrow. Then back to the usual cold of Feb. Did hear this week on the news that Korea had the worst snow storm in a hundred years. My brother who was stationed in Korea for a year in ’09 said that Korea was one of the coldest places EVER in winter and he couldn’t imagine anything colder than when he was there. I asked him if korea was as cold as portrayed on MASH. He said it was just as cold as the television show portrayed, but “only worse”.

  7. Am glad to see that someone besides me has decided to call the Republicans and Teapublicans what they really are–American Taliban. While I don’t know for sure, I suspect that most are Catholics who have wrapped themselves in their church’s anti-abortion dogma and now want to stick it in every woman’s uterus. How are they different than the Taliban anywhere else? Oh, I know–they don’t blow themselve up–yet.

  8. DB

    I’m a lapsed (hatch, match and dispatch Catholic) and I TOTALLY agree with George has to say. THE reason I felt the need to walk away from Catholism and “church” as an organization is because of the legalism, specifically anti-women legalism.

  9. Big Dog

    Osbourn defeats Battlefield 72-58 to win the Cedar Run District Tournament!

    Go Eagles!

  10. DB

    So what do you all think of today’s Metro article about the 10 commandments and schools in Petersburg?

    1. @DB is there a link? I cant find it.

  11. @George S. Harris
    Hey, George, you know where you can stick that opinion, right? All because the Republicans defunded Planned Parenthood? Because the GOP doesn’t want federal money going to fund abortions? You compare the TEA PARTY, not the GOP, to a bunch of raping, bombing, religious fanatics that kill everyone that does not agree with them.

    Yeah, next time you mention civility…..we’ll recognize you for the hypocrite that you are.

  12. I just noticed that you DID add the GOP in there as well. Guess what? that comparison STILL sucks. And.. no. I don’t think that a majority of either the TP or the GOP is Catholic. Other Christian sects value unborn life too. Since legal abortions are the law of the land, then people can have them. Why is it federally funded? Or state funded? States can fund prevention and sex ed classes and even provide prevention without funding abortion. As I’ve been told by the same feminists that seem to support abortion, “pregnancy is not a disease.” That would make abortion an elective surgery, except in rare cases.

  13. Tax payer funds did not go for abortion. Please stop saying that. Thne Hyde Amendment prevented that.

    Anyone who voted to defund Planned Parenthood should be ashamed of their ignorance. Just pure ignorance! It makes me furious. How on earth will removing access to contraception prevent abortion?

    And it doesn’t stop there. I am one of those people who believes that every child should be a wanted child. There are a lot of throw aways out there. Kids no one gives a crap about. There will be even more now. I don’t want to hear one peep about family freaking values or ‘ending the scourge of abortion’ (to quote Corey)–as far as I am concerned, those who voted or supported defunding planned parenthood or any other reproductive clinic just increased the need for abortion.

  14. DB

    @MH I don’t know if there is a link. I merely read the article in today’s Metro section..the hard copy.

  15. My pro-choice friends have been of all faiths. In the years I have been active in the pro-choice movement, probably my closest buds and allies have been Catholic. I have worked with Frances Kissling’s group, Catholics for a Free Choice, now Catholics for Choice as well as Republicans for Choice.

    I want to make certain that we don’t cast aspersions on any people of faith, and that would include people who are opposed to abortion on religious and moral grounds. However, and I speak for myself only, I will fight as long as I draw breath on it being MY decision about morally appropriate choices regarding reproduction rather than the governments.

    Any legislation that tightens the government’s grip past that outlined in Roe v Wade is unacceptable, in my eyes. I wanted to clarify my position on this subject on the blog since I have read several comments that didn’t characterize my feelings on the matter. Elena and I have talked at length on this subject and I feel comfortable in including her under the howler prochoice proclamation.

    Perhaps what might be off-putting to some folks is Elena and I are both very openly pro-choice, without apology. It does not mean we are pro-abortion. Quite the opposite in fact. However, I don’t argue about abortion because I feel it is such a personal decision. I won’t change your mind and you won’t change my mind. In fact, most of you all have no idea what my personal opinion is. It does not necessarily match my political opinion.

    The debate I engage in comes under the umbrella of whose decision it is and limiting government intrusion.

    I hope this sets the record straight. In no way do I want to even nudge someone else’s moral code.

  16. e

    pro-choice is a misnomer. advocates for abortion are pro-abortion, as opposed to opponents of abortion, who are accurately called pro-life. god is pro-choice “therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live” (deuteronomy 30:19)

  17. Lafayette

    @Moon-howler
    Let’s not forget you and I were called Godless.

    The sooner the pro-lifers accept pro-choice is just that PRO-CHOICE the better. They need to understand it does NOT mean pro-abortion by any means(imo).

  18. e

    the unborn child has no choice in the matter, nor the father

  19. Lafayette

    Living children don’t have much choice in matters, their parents make their choices for them. I do believe that a woman should discuss the matter with the man. However, ultimately it is the woman’s choice, afterall it is HER body, not the father’s or the governments.

  20. e

    living children do not (in theory, anyways) have to worry about their parents terminating them if they come home from school with a bad report card. and if our bodies are sacrosanct and none of the government’s business, what’s the whole purpose of obamacare, death panels, and my end of life decisions to be determined by the secretary of health and human services?

  21. Pat.Herve

    Do you have to rely on a 401k to fund your retirement – http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703959604576152792748707356.html?mod=ITP_pageone_0 – well, make sure you are saving enough now, so that you can actually retire. Most people are actually the worst investors there are – they buy high, sell low, and then wonder why their balance is not growing. Many people have no investment plan and just follow their gut, and when the market tanks, they sell. As stated in the article, the 401k plan was never meant to be the retirement plan of all, it was meant to be a way for the well paid (wealthy) to defer taxes on income.

  22. Big Dog

    e,
    Hope you aren’t one of those self-righteous hypocrites who claim to be
    “pro-life” and make a huge show of of it, but yet support defunding quality
    prenatal and early childhood care programs. Care for the unborn AND the born!

  23. Lafayette

    I don’t try to change anyone’s mind on the issue. I’m not sure why you threw the Obamacare at me, because I have not commented on the topic once. And, no, I don’t want anyone making life ending decisions for me. I do believe very much in my right to die.

  24. Lafayette

    Right on, Big Dog!!!!

  25. e

    you want your right to die, but what about your right to live, when bureaucratic bean counters in government have determined that you’re no longer an asset to society? be careful what you wish for

  26. Lafayette

    @e
    I’m quite content with my Advance Directive, Living Will, etc.. I’ve seen too much agonizing death in my short life. I have NO desire to be a burden on my family or society. Again, I don’t think it’s for the government to rule our bodies, health care, or right to die, etc..

  27. e

    but what if you DO desire to be a burden on family, society, etc. I know a 93 year old lady who blew through her life’s savings (that she was planning on bequeathing to her posterity) in nursing home bills in two years; with obamacare, death panels etc. the elderly will be subject to termination (unless they’re members of the democrat party nomenklatura); think how much money could be saved if everyone at the age of 65 is eliminated, humanely of course, why the whole social security disaster could be solved in one stroke!

  28. Lafayette

    Mom/NTK/Elena-
    Looks like PWC has named it’s new Planning Director, Christopher Price. This is not a promotion from within. 👿 Here’s the press release.
    http://www.pwcgov.org/default.aspx?topic=040086000280006382

  29. Lafayette

    @e
    My grandmother was 91 and passed away last summer. She’d suffered a stroke, and passed away a month later. She spent her final days at home with round the clock care, and good care. I’ve also taken care of a couple of combative Alzheimer’s patient family members. They all very specific orders about their right to die. Iv’e had one great and one horrible experience with Hospice.

    I will drop out of this topic of conversation for now. I hope you understand. 🙁

  30. Pat.Herve

    e – please do not spread false rumors – or back up where you find that those over 65 will be eliminated.

    On another note, should my Doctor not know (when I am healthy) what I would want to do in the case of being too ill to make the decision myself – should the Dr not be paid for his time in helping me make this decision?

    So, what you want it he person to be ignorant about their end of life decisions, or the Dr to not be paid for his time is discussing those options – I guess he should do it for free?

  31. e

    to be honest i don’t know who would want to get into the medical profession today, the irs or hhs or the embryotic green police (did you see the audi superbowl ad?) would probably be more lucrative fields.
    and i am not spreading false rumors, i’m merely postulating possible future scenarios. isaac asimov portrayed such a world in one of his novels, where a resource-deprived earth had to dispose of its senior citizens. since our country is broke, it seems where headed in that direction

  32. @e

    @ e

    BITE ME. You don’t get to choose the terminology, at least on this blog.

    And that bible quote is not about abortion. However, if you want to think it is for YOU, then that is fine.

  33. marinm

    E, two words.

    Logan’s Run

  34. Just want to set something straight….some of us were unwanted children. Namely….me. And my mother was straight with me when I got older. She was thankful that when she was completely freaking out (and I mean that literally) that she was pregnant again, after 14 years, with an alcoholic husband, that she DID NOT have the the legal choice to have me aborted. So when she saw those signs of protesters, “An unwanted child is an unloved child”, she pointed at them and said, “They lie.”

    Contraception,etc…good ideas. The other, especially if being used as a form of birth control,…not so much.

  35. Well Pat, I was already depressed. It started with the weather and the political climate in this country. Between the public employees who have become the lowest of the low and Planned Parenthood potential defunding, I was pretty evil. The 401K article finished me off.

    I think I will develop a real boomer-tude for the weekend. I think that article points to one thing. I have heard several younger people here smuggly tell us that they are doing the right thing and they will all be just ducky at the end of their careers. The point is, things can change. What looked great at one point in time can be not so good down the road.

    One thing the article left out is that with your 401k, you really only have 76% of it if you live in Virginia. No taxes have been taken out. I have to remind myself that. $100,000 is only $76,000. That is a pretty big bite. And if you pull it out, that is how much you get. No deferring payment to Uncle Sam.

    It’s scary out there and many people thought they were doing the right and prudent thing. Many people who get caught up short weren’t careless and irresponsible. Things just changed.

  36. Pat.Herve

    e – what is it that you want Government run healthcare or Private healthcare.

    What you are attacking is the Government run plan (Medicare) – you do not have to take it. You can get your own private insurance (or none at all) and pay for that care yourself when you are 93 – paying all the way to the grave. The only limit to how much you pay is how much you have.

  37. Censored bybvbl

    @Cargosquid
    And then there are the children that my sister, the Child Protective Services worker, spent a career trying to help – the kids who came home to no parent, no supper, no helper for their homework. The kids left with their mother’s boyfriends, neighbor, young sibling. The kids who faced physical abuse. Oh, and my next door neighbor’s child whose mother said in front of her, “I wish I’d had an abortion”. You were lucky.

  38. @Cargo, I think the sign actually says ‘every child a wanted child.’ That is a goal, not a requirement. I think it is very fair to say that many people have found themselves pregnant in less than ideal times. Abortion is only one option. Most people choose to mush ahead and make do, have their kids and live as happily ever after as much as the next guy.

    Just because legal abortion is out there doesn’t mean that every woman races out to get one. As for abortion being used as birth control, that is greatly exaggerated.

    I have known of one person who had continual repeat abortions. A cat is a better mother than this woman. I certainly wouldn’t want to be in the position of telling this bimbo that she had had enough abortions and she would just have to give birth. Abortion should be a safety net, not a main line of defense.

    But thank you Cargo, for bringing that most personal side of the debate to the blog. It certainly is something to consider. Great that your mom was open enough to tell you.

    On a light note, my brothers and I were born before Roe. I am sure my mother never considered abortion, at least before we were born. Afterwards, I expect she thought alot about it, often to the point of wanting to make it retroactive until at least age 30 with all three of us. :mrgreen:

    She was famous for telling us we were all hatched out of a buzzard egg when we did something we weren’t supposed to do. She told others people that also if we had embarrassed her with our behavior.

  39. Big Dog

    http://hamptonroads.com/2011/02/byrd-machines-continuing-influence

    Understanding Virginia Politics 101 – 1)Dillon Rule, 2) Harry F. Byrd Sr. .

    (Virginia Clerks of the Court still serve eight year terms because they operated
    as the Byrd machine’s point person in every locality).

  40. Cato the Elder

    @Pat.Herve

    Great article on 401Ks. With freedom and choice comes responsibility, and I think people sometimes don’t grasp that much like a garden it needs constant attention. Here’s a chart of the S&P 500 going back to 2004, it’s nothing fancy – just a simple major uptrend line that got decisively broken in Jan. of ’08: http://i56.tinypic.com/e9hqvb.jpg

    Again, going back to the garden analogy if you rotated your crops from stocks to long bonds in Jan. of ’08 when you saw a major trend line get taken out you made 10% when everyone else was sucking wind.

    Market geometry works in both directions: http://i52.tinypic.com/2h3ou34.jpg. If you were disciplined and rotated back to stocks when you got confirmation that the downtrend was broken, you missed the rally off the very bottom but still captured the majority of the uptrend and currently sit on 80% gains.

    It’s really simple, if you can read a chart and tell up from down then you can effectively manage your own money.

  41. Cato the Elder

    Moon, would you remove my public service announcement from moderation? 🙂

  42. @Cargosquid
    Approximatgely 150 Cahtolics in the 112th Congress.

    Won’t tell you what you can do with your opinion since Moon would put it in moderation. I would just say it would be some undisclosed location that has never seen daylight.

    What gives you anti-abortion people the right to stick your opinion into the uterus of every American woman? Why are you not content to let American women make up their own mind about what they want to do? If that doesn’t sound like the Taliban, I don’t know what does.

  43. Juturna

    Not all Catholics are sheep. Conflicting theology on ensoulment, consciously forming your conscious ……. they’re not all Rick Santorum.

    I think you accused me of promoting a wire hanger somewhere else…. GH

  44. @Juturna, I will defend you! You are not Rick Santorum!

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