Governor Jan Brewer reiterates her position on birthers and negates their claims. She says that they are taking the country down a “path of destruction.”
More Kudos for Jan Brewer. Basically, there is nothing to discuss. Ms. Brewer is probably going to send them all over to Roswell, NM to have their tin foil hats adjusted.
Many people were surprised to see Gov. Brewer take such a strong stand against birthers. Is she leaving her conservative base? Will this hurt her in the next gubernatorial election?
brewer is entitled to her opinion, trump to his, the american public (the portion of it that is attuned to political issues at least) will arrive at its; as of today corsi’s book “where’s the birth certificate” is #17 on amazon.com (albeit down from #1 when drudge first announced it), and the book isn’t even scheduled for release until may 17
CNN investigation: Obama ‘birther’ claims have no meritSee show times »From Gary Tuchman, CNN
April 25, 2011 11:08 p.m. EDT
(CNN) — Was Barack Obama really born in America?
A new CNN investigation reveals what most analysts have been saying since the “birther” controversy erupted during the 2008 presidential campaign: Obama was born in Hawaii on August 4, 1961. Period.
http://www.cnn.com/2011/POLITICS/04/25/birthers.obama.hawaii/index.html?hpt=C1
Hey e, you even been snipe hunting, bwahaha!
BORN IN THE USA?
Lt. Col. Lakin free in less than 3 weeks
You can join welcome home for Army doc jailed over Obama’s hidden birth certificate
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Posted: April 25, 2011
9:12 pm Eastern
By Drew Zahn
© 2011 WorldNetDaily
Friends of Lt. Col. Terry Lakin are hoping a few hundred people will show up to greet the jailed military doctor when he’s released from prison and returns to Baltimore, Md., on May 14.
Dr. Terry Lakin, an Army doctor who refused to deploy again to Afghanistan when his chain of command refused to verify that Obama legitimately is president, has been serving a six-month term at Ft. Leavenworth in Kansas
Read more: Lt. Col. Lakin free in less than 3 weeks http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=291385#ixzz1Kd978eOK
This Army officer has no business wearing our nation’s uniform. He is a coward. Throw him in the clink and strip him of his rank.
At least he had the courage of his convictions. He felt that there was a problem with Obama’s authority. When a soldier feels that he is given an unlawful order, he is told to refuse them. Now…you better have ALL of your ducks in a row if you do that…because, as he found out…you WILL have consequences if you refuse an order.
Applauding cowards who run from battle whilst their comrades-in-arms fight, bleed and die in the mud is despicable and disgusting.
Also, Starry, again, THAT is not a birth certificate. And the current governor has stated publicly that HE could not find ANY further documentation, including a long form. AND, the article misinforms as other Hawaiian citizens HAVE obtained copies of their long form for their needs.
Here, CNN conjoins two pieces of contradictory evidence:
The information came directly from the state Department of Health.”
Indeed, as CNN confirmed, all birth announcements at the time came directly from hospital birth records.
Either the info for birth announcements comes from the Dept. of Health, which is where it did come from or “directly from hospital birth records.”
Sloppy reporting.
THAT kind of reporting and THAT kind of misinformation is what is driving the controversy.
Hawaii’s lax documentation and the lack of a definition of “natural born citizen” is the problem. Then you add in all the stupid statements by Obama’s family about where he was born. Then you add in questions caused by his possible adoption, and his travel under another passport. Then add in Obama’s fetish for secrecy. Then you add in the idiocy of those on the “birther” side that take any little scrap of unsupported evidence, and present it as “proof” of their case.
Personally, I don ‘t believe that there is a long form birth certificate. But, I also believe that it doesn’t matter. Obama was duly elected and certified as president.
Since candidates like McCain and Obama are having these problems, we need to set a definition in stone as to what constitutes a “natural born citizen.”
Starry, the man you called a coward.. Have you read his bio and history? You really think a man with that record is a coward?
Wow.
I thought the birther issue was forbodin here?
If not, I WANT TO SEE THE BIRTH CERTIFICATE!
I don’t care about the birth certificate. I want a definition for natural born citizen and a clarification on how its different from native citizen. According to definitions in the House of Representatives that have never been contested…
Natural born citizen – born on American territory of TWO parents with American citizenship.
http://naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com/2011/03/09/the-house-of-representatives-definition-of-natural-born-citizen-born-of-citizen-parents-in-the-us/
Native born – born in American territory. And currently, doesn’t need either parent to be a citizen, much less ONE parent with citizenship.
I don’t want this country to have to go through this BS when one of the children of illegal aliens decides that he/she can run for President. Congress dropped the ball when they failed to properly confirm the eligibility of the candidates. It was THEIR job to make sure that all candidates conform to Constitutional eligibility.
@Cargo,
I think it is pretty clear about natural born and native (and not sure I see a difference.) . I think it is that you don’t like the outcome so you question the veracity of the 14th.
I see no reason why a child of an illegal immigrant couldn’t be president one day.
Question–has Congress ever confirmed someone’s eligibility to run for president? Didn’t think so.
@marin,
birther theories — not the fact that there political people with opinions.
In fact, I don’t understand why some of you all can’t see the difference.
I did not put this thread up to propagate more tin foil hat theories.
I actually like screaming out SHOW ME THE BIRTH CERTIFICATE not because I think it’s real issue (to be honest, I don’t) but because the President didn’t get in front of the issue now it’s another straw to use against him. Anything that can turn the independants against him and onto a non-progressive would be a welcome change.
http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/86757.pdf
Makes for interesting reading.
Birth to Citizen and Alien: Unlike section 301(d), section 301(g) (formerly section 301(a)(7) INA) does not require a continuity of stay. However, on the whole, its requirements for transmitting U.S. citizenship to the foreign-born child of a U.S. citizen and an alien are much more stringent: for children born prior to November 14, 1986, the U.S. citizen parent must have had ten years of physical presence, five of which were after reaching age 14, in the United States or its outlying possessions; for children born on or after November 14, 1986, to transmit citizenship the U.S. citizen parent needs five years of physical presence, two of which were after age 14, in the United States or one of its possessions.
The question is….is the 1986 law retroactive? Would Obama be considered a citizen. Mother was 18. Less than the 5 necessary years….
Does this apply? President Obama was born with dual citizenship.
See….the questions are not conspiratorial. The questions are valid. The problem is not just Obama’s secrecy. The MAIN PROBLEM is that Congress failed in its duty.
Forgot to mention.
Of course, the document mentioned above only applies if he was FOREIGN born.
So….since there is the stupidity mentioned above by Obama’s family and others about birth elsewhere, that is why there is concern, since Obama can’t document his birth location.
Congress was supposed to certify this.
I expect what I consider my birth certificate wouldnt be good enough either.
The grandson of anyone who served in Patton’s army is good enough for me.
That is the reason I feel this entire birther question is absurd.
@Moon-howler
Actually, the birth place of a parent is a valid concern. President Chester A. Arthur hid his dual citizenship when he was running for Vice President. He was ineligible to hold office. His father was a British subject, naturalized in 1843. President Arthur was born as a dual citizen.
So….children of illegal aliens are NOT eligible to become president. The parents are not citizens.
But children of illegal aliens are natural born citizens. Their parents aren’t running for office.
I say they are eligible if they are 35 years old.
Are they? Not according to the constitution. They are considered citizens today. But their parents are not citizens. So they are ineligible, if the meaning of “natural born” follows the discussion in Congress in the 19th century.
That’s why we need a clear definition AND a clarification on how the 14th Amendment affects the children of illegal aliens. No more of this vagueness.
Personally, I believe that to be a natural born citizen, one must be the child of parents that are both citizens. And all candidates should provide unequivocal proof of birth and eligibility. One cannot be President and be a dual citizen.
And all voters should have to provide valid ID. Mail in voters have to provide ID when registering and getting their ballots.
Sorry, I meant, “not according to the State dept or to Congress. The Constitution does not proved a definition.
Go Jan Brewer! Good for her. Any credibility given to this stupid birther issue is the same as giving credibility to 9-11 truthers.
Cargo,
I could have duel citizenship with Israel if I wanted, all I need to is apply. Would that make me uneligible?
Actually it sort of does provide one if you look at the who is eligible, the 12th and the 14th.
Natural born is sort of obvious.
It also tells you by counter example. The court cases further explain the requirements.
Both parents must be a citizen? What about legal residents? That seems very harsh and certainly is not what the constitution says.
I know people who aren’t citizens because of the cost involved. Perhaps it should be free.
Psssst No one gives a rat’s ass what you and I think.
That’s interesting. I wonder if I am eligable for the office of President as I was born in the US but my parents weren’t citizens themselves.
It’s an interesting question.
Only idiots believe birther nonsense and most of them probably think Hawaii is a foreign country.
Any soldier, sailor, airman or Marine who has taken the solemn oath and refuses to serve on the field of battle alonside his brothers-in-arms is a coward in my book, and a traitor to this country.
@Starryflights
A simple no would suffice.
For the record, this is what you called a coward.
LTC Lakin’s numerous awards and decorations include the Army Flight Surgeon Badge, Combat Medical Badge, the Bronze Star Medal, the Meritorious Service Medal, the Army Commendation Medal with two Oak Leaf Clusters, the Army Achievement Medal with one Oak Leaf Clusters, the National Defense Service Medal with Bronze Service Star, the Armed Forces Expedition Medal, the Army Reserve Component Achievement Medal, the Army Service Ribbon, the Overseas Service Ribbon sixth award and the NATO service medal. He has served previously in Honduras, Bosnia, El Salvador, Korea, and Afghanistan.
Pretty sure even the prosecution in this case never brought up the C word against him.
LtCol. Lankin may be misguided, but he’s not a coward. He actually took a courageous stand, knowing that he was putting his career in jeopardy. He did not try and shirk the consequences of his actions. Do I think he did right? No. President Obama IS the Commander-in-Chief. BUT, this was an attempt to get the questions around his candidacy cleared up, since the media did nothing to vet him.
But, as I said, he is the CINC and the LtCol took his lumps for following this path.
Are we willing to say that Cindy Sheehan is as brave as Lt. Col. Lankin?
@Moon-howler
I think it’s good that people are willing to tilt at a windmill and be arrested for thier convictions. I have no problem with that and I think that’s a good reflection of character.
My issue with Ms. Sheehan is she was a fair weather protestor. When the new administration came in she basically clammed up. As things didn’t go her way (or the way she had anticipated them going) she now is gearing up the anti-war protest engine (btw, seem smaller now a days even though we now have 3 wars…interesting).
So, good on her for having convictions and being willing to be arrested for them. Bad on her that she ‘took a power nap’.
@Moon-howler
Why would I say that? What did she do that put her career in danger? Or herself? She had no sworn duty to uphold the Constitution and there was no penalty for challenging Bush. I notice that she gets no attention now, even though Obama has, not only continued the war in both theaters, but started ANOTHER war.
Of course, her cooperation with Code Pink put her in bed with those that aided and abetted the same people that killed her son. So, she has that going for her….
Lankin is not a coward, but I also do not think him brave for trying to get out of the deployment because of his stand. As Brewer herself said, this whole thing is because Obama is President – if it were not for him being President, there would be no bills to state Citizenship.
Obama has produced a Certificate of Live Birth – which is the official document provided by the State of Hawaii department of Vital Records – he can get a passport with that document. I have to ask why the fringe needs to go out on a limb like this to try and get people opposed to any individual – is this the best they have? Just like when they smeared McCain over his adopted daughter – it was not right then, it is not right now. Imagine the Birther movement there would be if McCain was elected – and what would Nevada do about his Born in Panama papers….
my bad, Arizona, not Nevada in previous post