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126 Thoughts to “Open Thread………………………………………….Saturday, June 25”

  1. Cato the Elder

    I was out fishing for Catfish yesterday and ran out of bait. Not really wanting to give up my spot, which had been quite productive, I looked around and saw a small Cottonmouth with a frog in his jaws. Now, not a lot of folks know this but large Catfish love frogs. Knowing that the snake couldn’t bite me with the frog in its mouth I grabbed it behind the head, took the frog, and put it in my bait bucket.

    It was about this time I realized I had a problem. How was I going to release the snake without getting bit? I always take a little Jack Daniels with me on fishing days, so I grabbed the fifth I had with me and poured a little into the snake’s mouth. His eyes rolled back in his head and he went limp, and I released him without incident and carried on with my fishing using the frog.

    About an hour later I felt a nudge on my foot. It was that same snake with two more frogs in his mouth. Life is good in the South.

    1. And there is a moral here….
      Thanks Cato.

  2. Big Dog

    http://faculty.virginia.edu/vpharmacalc/

    FYI – a big reason UOSA is so expensive.

  3. marinm

    I think I spend more time on Huffington than I do on any other site. Granted everyday I visit Drudge and Fox but I have no problem hitting ThinkProgress or Salon.

    I mean, where else can you find gems like this?

    http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2010/07/27/american_people_obsolete

    I think people really buy into those ideas.

    Now, I tend to stay away from Bierbart and RealClear because those are a little too partisan for my flavor. If they have a funny video clip or a phrase that I find amusing I’ll watch it but I tend to not use as source material.

    “What about the people who have taken reductions in pay because of union busting?”

    Market correction. People need to get used to living within this ‘new world’ and adjust expectations accordingly.

    How about the yahoos trying to defund Planned Parenthood?

    The Supreme Court says that an American has the ability to get an abortion but not that the government is required to fund it. I agree that abortion (while I don’t like the idea) should be legal that the user of that service should pay the full cost of it. While I have a Second Amendment right that doesn’t mean I think Congress or the Virginia General Assembly should give me a gun (unless they confiscate my firearm for evidence in a self-defense shoot in which case the govt should give me one from it’s armory).

    I think the points that Censor brings up only help to bring those in the middle to our side. I think people on the whole have good sense of BS. I think that people in the middle see that disagreement with the current administration makes you a ‘racist’. That wanting immigration law enforced makes you ‘anti-immigrant’ and a ‘bigot’. That wanting reform of how we do medicare and medicaid somehow makes you ‘anti-elderly’. People can see the BS for what it is. People understand that we have obligations we cannot fund – even if we wanted to – and that our idea of government envolvement (or interference) will need to decrease to match what the populace can fund.

    How else do you explain in Democratic states controlled by Democratic legislatures and Democratic governors this same ‘assault on unions’? Does it not cut against this dogma that it’s a Republican or TEAjadist effort?

    Maybe it’s simply because we can’t afford it anymore and not a vast right wing conspiracy?

    Ooooh. That reminds me. Must buy PROUD MEMBER OF RIGHT WING CONSPIRACY t-shirt.

  4. Wolverine

    “I expect a large number to sit it out.”

    And here I thought that particular part of the Democratic playbook was scrubbed after November 2010. Go figure.

    Cargo — In language you and I can understand: The USS Liberal Economics has taken a big hit below the waterline. Sea water is flowing unimpeded into the lower compartments. The Damage Control team is running around in circles without leadership, not knowing how to control the flooding because they didn’t pay attention at Damage Control School. Meanwhile, the Captain is in the wheelhouse giving yet another grand speech, ignoring the navigator and the quartermaster, who are trying to make him understand that the notorious Debt Reef is dead ahead. The Deck Officer and his Chief Bo’sun have begun to pass out the life vests and are standing anxiously by for an order from the bridge to prepare to lower the ship’s boats. Meanwhile, the liberal media is reporting on what a grand vessel she is as she floats off into the sunset. Gilbert and Sullivan material — only not so funny.

  5. Emma

    @Carosquid Wow. Well said, Cargo.

  6. Censored bybvbl

    Where are the great achievements and the creative, problem-solving ideas of the current Republican Party? Just say “no” isn’t an answer. It doesn’t work with kiddos and drugs or sex and it isn’t the answer to solving the country’s problems. Having a dingy or a snark filled with holes doesn’t make anyone jump in your boat either.

    You don’t like the idea that bigots and xenophobes vote. And they voted overwhelmingly Republican in the last election for Prez because one candidate’s race scared the bigots and the party’s hunt for illegal immigrants brought out the xenophobes. And all the sexist oinkers thought Sarah Palin looked cute in a skirt and were willing to screw the country for a chance to see her bend over a dias for four years. Ha ha. Sure they might not represent the majority but they choose the Repubs when they pull the lever. And then there are the Bible-thumpers with their social agenda and the Teabaggers with their snake flag. God, guns, and gays – you can always count on those topics being brought out and the faithful being stirred up by an email blast. Where do your ordinary businessmen and women fit in anymore? My conservative father would probably be labelled a Commie by the party for which he most frequently voted.

    Yeah… I can see a stampede to vote Republican in 2012. Chortle.

  7. Emma

    “Yeah… I can see a stampede to vote Republican in 2012.”

    So can I.

  8. Wolverine

    Ask those ordinary businessmen and women why they are not hiring and many of them will tell you it is because they do not know in which direction the Obama ship is sailing. They don’t want to get caught up in the suction of the whirlpool as the USS Liberal Economics starts to sink to the bottom.

  9. marinm

    @Cato the Elder

    Friendly fire, ain’t.

  10. @marin

    re

    How about the yahoos trying to defund Planned Parenthood?

    The Supreme Court says that an American has the ability to get an abortion but not that the government is required to fund it. I agree that abortion (while I don’t like the idea) should be legal that the user of that service should pay the full cost of it. While I have a Second Amendment right that doesn’t mean I think Congress or the Virginia General Assembly should give me a gun (unless they confiscate my firearm for evidence in a self-defense shoot in which case the govt should give me one from it’s armory).

    Let’s pretend for just a moment that Planned Parenthood does other things besides provide abortions….like provide contraception.

    Someone will always come along as an abortion provider.

  11. marinm

    @Moon-howler

    Someone will always come along as an abortion provider.

    In a free market system that can and does happen. The key here is not the legality but the direct government support of it. Or, in the case of Indiana withdrawing govt support.

    1. I don’t think you understand that Indiana wasn’t paying for abortions in the first place. It was providing medical services to medicaid women. That is the money that is being cut off. Indiana was telling poor women that they couldn’t PP as a place to receive services if they wanted medicaid reimbursement.

      The state government, in essence was telling patients that they could not use a certain facility. That doesn’t sound very free market to me.

  12. marinm

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/06/28/illinois-borrowing-money-_n_886126.html

    ….holy molly.

    Using BREAST CANCER money for the State to survive. Wow.

    Just wow.

    And yet Cargo and I are the evil ones?

    …….

    1. @marin,

      I seriously don’t like that comparison. (you and cargo). No one said you were evil. Furthermore I don’t understand what anyone’s opinion of you has to do with the habit states have of helping themselves to any possible money that isn’t nailed down. That seems to be somewhat ego-centric. Besides, I would say mis-guided rather than evil.

      I don’t think that Illinois is too many steps worse than Virginia. Taking money from charity vs taking money from retirees–on the stink-O-meter—about equal in my mind. Perhaps McDonnell took the high road as it was in the newspaper. No one paid much attention for quite a while. Has one penny of that VRS money been paid back? No. So let’s say that the jury is still out on that one. I am really hoping that Virginia turns out better than Illinois but people who live in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones or say they have a balanced budget while taking from retirement funds.

  13. Dan Cooper

    @Censored bybvbl
    “Where are the great achievements and the creative, problem-solving ideas of the current Republican Party?”

    “Where are the great achievements and the creative, problem-solving ideas of the current Republican Party?”

    Yeah, the current Democrat Party is full of them. 🙂 You gotta be kidding me. News flash, we still have 9% unemployment, record deficits, and are now involved in more wars than ever before. Is that what you call “great achievements and creative, problem-solving”?
    Democrats had to work really hard and be really creative and come up with brilliant problem-solving ideas to account for those great achievements. Oh boy, thanks for making me laugh this morning Censored, I needed that.

  14. Dan Cooper

    Don’t’ look now but Obama is caught in yet another lie. Does this guy ever tell the truth?

    http://hotair.com/archives/2011/06/28/uh-oh-white-house-caught-lying-about-petraeuss-withdrawal-recommendations/

    What’s amazing is a White House photographer was actually able to take a picture at the time he made this lie, it’s a very interesting and telling picture. The story behind it is that he didn’t even know he took the picture of him (in the oval office) at the time of the lie until he went back days later to review all of the pics he took. I think that it pretty much sums up his presidency:

    http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-irAt_hG56n4/TZAtxAOey8I/AAAAAAAAABE/Xxh7ga6jAC8/s1600/pinokio.gif

  15. Starryflights

    (Photo of Bachmann: Charlie Neibergall/AP)
    Michele Bachmann acknowledged Tuesday that she misspoke when she claimed yesterday that actor John Wayne was from her hometown of Waterloo, Iowa. But the 2012 GOP hopeful refused to dial back on another one of her notable gaffes: Her claim that the nation’s Founding Fathers “worked tirelessly to end slavery.”

    In an interview with ABC’s George Stephanopoulos, the Minnesota congresswoman insisted she was right on the slavery claim and pointed to the career of John Quincy Adams, the nation’s sixth president who was not yet nine years old when the Declaration of Independence was drafted with the help of his father, John Adams.

    Bachmann insisted John Quincy Adams, who later worked to end slavery, should be considered a “Founding Father.”

    “He was a very young boy when he was with his father serving essentially as his father’s secretary,” Bachmann told ABC. “He tirelessly worked throughout his life to make sure that we did in fact one day eradicate slavery.”

    But Stephanopoulos interjected, insisting that the younger Adams had never been considered one of the Founding Fathers.

    “Well, John Quincy Adams most certainly was a part of the Revolutionary War era. He was a young boy but he was actively involved,” Bachmann replied.

    You can watch the video here, courtesy ABC. (After Bachmann’s interview, ThinkProgress notes that John Quincy Adams’ Wikipedia page was edited to describe him as a “Founding Father.”)

    But in a separate interview with CNN’s American Morning, Bachmann admitted to occasionally “misspeaking”—including on her claim yesterday that Wayne, the legendary movie star, was born in Waterloo when in fact his hometown is Winterset, nearly 150 miles away. Rather, it was serial killer John Wayne Gacy who lived in Waterloo for a time.

    http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/bachmann-admits-john-wayne-flub-still-insists-john-141138713.html

    Amazing that anybody, much less a Presidential candidate, could confuse the great John Wayne with a perverted serial killer. Anybody who supports Bachmann would have to be a fool or an idiot.

  16. SlowpokeRodriguez

    It’s nice to see the uber-lefties following their orders to attack Bachmann. You can always tell who the left is afraid of. I can only hope the people of what is left of this nation are smart enough to tell when the left unleashes its blind hatred (while simultaneously accusing everyone else of blind hate). Keep it up, left. Nobody sees though it!

  17. Big Dog

    http://www.roanoke.com/business/wb/291367

    Glad to see Gov. McDonnell continue the success of Gov. Kaine.

  18. SlowpokeRodriguez

    The funny part is watching mostly women attack a woman so viciously, then they wonder out loud how feminism isn’t taken seriously anymore. “How could the court strike down the suit against Wal-Mart?” I’ll give you ladies a hint, you’re doing it to yourselves. Why should we take you seriously when you don’t take yourselves seriously?

  19. marinm

    @Moon-howler

    Don’t we do the same thing for Food Stamps? I mean, you can’t just goto Morton’s and use your government credit card for that ‘food’ right? The government decided that in accordance with how they wish to run the program purchases would be limited as they saw fit.

    So, if we’ve established that with a social program that the government can choose the providers you use why not for this social program? If/when we get the govt envolved in healthcare why can’t they say not this provider?

    I think Illinois is in a whole different boat than Virginia. Any borrowing from VRS (which shouldn’t exist in the first place) is obligated to be paid back. Illinois is begging, borrowing and just plain stealing (from charities no less) to survive because they refuse to look at their systemic problems. Will those IOUs get paid back? I wouldn’t want to have breast cancer in chicago to find out. Also, look at the cancers for that one charity — all female cancers.

    The progressives of Chicago are paying bills on the backs of ill women.

    @Slow, ouch.

    1. Could Mortons apply to be food stamp provider? Has the govt said NO to Mortons or has Mortons just not been selected?

      Right now, I think that medicaid reimbursements/payments can go anywhere. The service provider has to agree to accept medicaid fees and pricing. Obviously you can’t go down to Exxon and have the mechanic give out birth control pills and condoms but that is a stretch.

      Marin, by George you are dropping the gender card. I think there were several cancer organizations on that list. I don’t think women were being targeted.
      Can we just say its wrong without trying to turn it into some sort of left wing conspiracy to rob from sick women?

      I cant tell from the article if they are under obligation to pay back or not. Do I think it is wrong, yes. I sure do. I am not sure how obligated Va is to pay back. I know that the good faith is there and there is legislation in place to pay back. But….what if a new set of legilsators come in who want to blow off the obligation. How hard would it be to vote in new legislation that nullifies the ‘obligation.’ I am not a lawyer. I have never seen the paper work. How obligated is obligated?

      It sounds like Illinoians need to just contribute directly to charity rather than checking off a designated charity. That sucks. Illinois should just have a check box for ‘extra taxes’ or ‘Illinois bailout.’ I expect people would donate.

  20. SlowpokeRodriguez :

    It’s nice to see the uber-lefties following their orders to attack Bachmann. You can always tell who the left is afraid of. I can only hope the people of what is left of this nation are smart enough to tell when the left unleashes its blind hatred (while simultaneously accusing everyone else of blind hate). Keep it up, left. Nobody sees though it!

    What are you talking about? Are you now telling the women of American that they cannot oppose a female candidate? I must now vote for Bachmann because of internal genitalia? give me a break.

    Should I insist that you not attack Obama as you do on a daily basis because you both have the same ‘parts?’

  21. anonymous

    @Cato the Elder
    Nice story but perhaps you should replace cottonmouth with northern water snake if you were fishing in Northern Virginia. There are no cottonmouth snakes in these parts. Our only poisonous snake is the copperhead.
    http://www.dgif.virginia.gov/wildlife/information/?s=030015
    http://www.uga.edu/srelherp/snakes/agkpis.htm

  22. marinm

    @Moon-howler

    I agree that it’s wrong. FWIW the Huffington article conflicts with the Chicago article which says by law they must pay back.

    The Gender card was dropped because of this comment above: “And all the sexist oinkers thought Sarah Palin looked cute in a skirt and were willing to screw the country for a chance to see her bend over a dias for four years.”

    I do not think PP will prevail over Indiana at the SCOTUS. If the ACORN refusal is any indication I don’t think they’ll even be heard. See my post on that thread.

    1. Marin, I think a lot of men do support her because she is attractive and likes to show off her attributes that appeal to men…like carrying around moose guns.

      Lots of ladies liked John Edwards until they found out what a rat bastard he was.

    1. @marin

      Thank you again for summarizing the link rather than just slapping it up there. That way people get to choose if they are interested or not.

  23. Wolverine

    Only a Left which is either bonkers or a pack of intentional liars could take a Bachmann slip about where actor John Wayne was actually born and make it seem as if she was confusing John Wayne with John Wayne Gacey. Grow up, beginning with WaPo. Your panic is showing.

    1. @Wolverine,

      I just don’t understand your remark. No one is panicking over Bachmann. If it wasn’t a gaffe, then what was it? She got her facts wrong. Important facts, not in my world. However, to her world, it might be more important. John Wayne was never one of my faves anyway.

  24. Slowpoke Rodriguez

    @Moon-howler
    Really? When’s the last time I even said anything about Obama, other than to say I thought he did a good job with Osama?

    1. @Slow, You have been pretty low key for a few weeks.

      Did I say something disagreeable to you? Ok Ok you don’t attack him HERE on a daily basis.

  25. Slowpoke Rodriguez

    Oh, and voting for Bachmann because of her internal genitalia is one hell of a leap from not attacking Palin because of her secondary sex characteristics. I’m not surprised at that big of a leap from a liberal, but it is worth pointing out.

  26. @Slow, make that a neon glow-in-the-dark liberal if I must be a liberal.

    Slow, you do realize that people who don’t support Palin might all not be liberals?

  27. Morris Davis

    The Taliban is wrong that their way is God’s way and anyone who isn’t with them is against God. Senatorial candidate and Tea Party favorite Todd Akin (R-MO) is wrong, too. The Tea Party and conservatives don’t have an exclusive claim on God any more than they have an exclusive claim on patriotism. http://bit.ly/jBlxxi

  28. Wolverine

    Face it, Moon. The reaction of the MSM and the left-leaning blogs to a minor mistake is a certain sign of being so panicked about the current Obama slide that they immediately start trying to kneecap any conservative candidate who appears to be rising out of the pack. The statement about John Wayne doesn’t even rise to the level of a “gaffe.” The Morrison family did live in Waterloo and then moved to Winterset just before their son was born. So, Bachmann got the wrong info as to where exactly John Wayne was born. So what?

    And then to throw in the reference to John Wayne Gacey, who lived in Waterloo briefly before spending most of his criminal life in the Chicago area? That had absolutely nothing to do with Bachmann’s reference to actor John Wayne. It is simply dirty, rotten political crap. It stinks, pure and simple; and anyone who repeats it is a practicioner of the same. The exact same lines reverberated through all the MSM and the leftie blogs like they were a bunch of programmed robots bouncing around in a pinball machine. Time to say “Tilt!”

    Time also to say “Tilt!” to Jon Stewart as well. As an established comedian he gets more leeway than the average commentator; but to use Amos n’ Andy vernacular in reference to Herman Cain should not be acceptable. No matter what you may think of Cain’s political views, he has been a successful Black business executive in what was once virtually a Jim Crow-like White man’s business world. Moreover, he is a man who has fought and overcome cancer while achieving laudable status in the business world. I find Stewart’s brand of deprecating humor in this regard absolutely appalling and cringe-worthy. Stewart had better start using his head more when he maps out his comedy programs.

  29. Rhode Island just passed civil union for gays.

    Gays are on a roll here aren’t they?

  30. @Wolverine

    Did Stewart or did he not sound like Herman Caine? Was his old jewish person voice equally offensive? If one is offensive, all should be offensive.

    Do we make Herman ‘sound white’ not to be racist? What if he imitated FDR? Shoot. President Obama even does voice, depending on who he is speaking to. I have heard him with my own2 ears.

  31. Starryflights

    marinm :The Administration scores a legal win in Ohio.
    http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-pn-heatlhcare-ruling-20110629,0,220840.story

    This is a big victory for the United States and all Americans. We desperately need health care reform in this country. The repugs’ claim that Congress doesn’t have the constitutional authority to make laws was always a stupid argument. Of course Congress has the authority to make laws. Now on to implementing health care reform.

  32. marinm

    Starryflights :

    marinm :The Administration scores a legal win in Ohio.http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-pn-heatlhcare-ruling-20110629,0,220840.story

    This is a big victory for the United States and all Americans. We desperately need health care reform in this country. The repugs’ claim that Congress doesn’t have the constitutional authority to make laws was always a stupid argument. Of course Congress has the authority to make laws. Now on to implementing health care reform.

    Laws like pulling funding from NPR and PP as well? I’m curious as to what extent in your mind Congress can make laws.

  33. Why are you pulling from NPR and PP?

    Actually, PP is not really what I could call ‘funded’ by the govt.
    They provide medicaid services. I don’t think there is much if any ‘govt support’ there.

    NPR is a drop in the bucket cost wise. That defunding is a silencer for something people don’t like to hear. Censorship I suppose. I won’t fight for NPR other than superficially. I would go to war over PBS though. It has wonderful programming. I don’t know how anyone can turn it in to something political.

  34. marinm

    @Moon-howler

    Looking at Starry’s comment here: “The repugs’ claim that Congress doesn’t have the constitutional authority to make laws was always a stupid argument. Of course Congress has the authority to make laws.”

    If by that logic they do have the authority to mandate healthcare would they not then also have the ability to cut NPR/PP or any other host of social programs?

    It’s not about the funding being a drop in the bucket it’s showing that when it’s a program that Starry agrees with the Congress has the authority to do as they wish. When she doesn’t agree then Congress does not have that authority.

    I’m showing how that way of thinking is a loser.

    NPR/PP are just examples. Fill in the blank with anything else and my point should hold.

    1. marin, are you quarreling with me or starry? I know we are both celestial bodies but …..

      All kidding aside….I don’t deny that congress can fund or defund anything. I just think it is totally stupid to do so for reasons I have said over and over.

  35. Wolverine

    Good decision on the non-use of “Anonymous” as a blog handle. I’ve seen blogs, both regular blogs and the comment sections attached to media articles, where this handle is used so much that you sometimes wind up being unable to tell whether your are responding to the same person or someone else. Capital idea to put your foot down on this.

    1. Thanks Wolverine. I just can’t keep up with it. And if you let one person do it, it is a bad habit that just catches on too fast. I actually put the word ‘anonymous’ as a word to put into moderation. Thanks for your support. I think most of us want to know who we are talking to, even if we only know that person as Alley Cat.

  36. marinm

    MH,

    Was not quarreling. Just showing that Starry’s train of thought is not logically consistent.

    In other news. NBA has locked out it’s players. Federal judge sided with the NLRB over Boeing (opening salvo) and Colbert has his own PAC.

    🙂

  37. You are full of piss and vinegar this afternoon. Thanks for the update.

    Oddly enough, I am on the side of Boeing. I don’t understand why companies can’t open plants where they choose.

    Colbert has his own PAC. Is it for real or part of a skit?

  38. Big Dog

    http://www.roanoke.com/news/breaking/wb/291536

    Looks like 2012 is going to be a “barn burner”.

    It is interesting to note most people like President Obama personally,
    if not his policies. The far right frenzy – birthers and other loonies – to
    demean him as an individual have not gotten main stream traction.
    To discuss and question policies and governing decisions are key
    parts of democratic elections – personal attacks are not.

    1. Excellent point, Big Dog. thank you for the link and for making the point.

  39. Pat.Herve

    moon – Oddly enough, I am on the side of Boeing. I don’t understand why companies can’t open plants where they choose.

    I agree that a company should be able to do what they want, and build a factory anywhere in the world (hopefully in the US to keep jobs here, but that is another story). Boeing in not in hot water over opening a plant in South Carolina, they are in hot water for retaliating against union activity. They publicly said that they were building the plant so that they did not have to deal with the union, and they used the SC plant as a stick to get the union to agree to the Boeing company demands. If Boeing had only said that they were going to build the plant to increase production, this case would have never happened. Instead, this is what the executives were saying –

    “The overriding factor was not the business climate. And it was not the wages we’re paying today. It was that we cannot afford to have a work stoppage, you know, every three years.”

  40. I don’t know what the union laws are in SC. I would imagine that SC was open shop like we have in VA.

    I still don’t know that I disagree with Boeing. If a company can afford to move to avoid closed shop union tactics, why is a court forcing them to not move. That bothers me.

    I have never liked the concept of closed shop. I think people are entitled to belong to unions, or NOT belong.

  41. Starryflights

    @marinm

    marinm :@Moon-howler
    Looking at Starry’s comment here: “The repugs’ claim that Congress doesn’t have the constitutional authority to make laws was always a stupid argument. Of course Congress has the authority to make laws.”
    If by that logic they do have the authority to mandate healthcare would they not then also have the ability to cut NPR/PP or any other host of social programs?
    It’s not about the funding being a drop in the bucket it’s showing that when it’s a program that Starry agrees with the Congress has the authority to do as they wish. When she doesn’t agree then Congress does not have that authority.
    I’m showing how that way of thinking is a loser.
    NPR/PP are just examples. Fill in the blank with anything else and my point should hold.

    How did NPR get into this discussion? Of course Congress has the right to not spend money on NPR or anything it doesn’t want to spend money on.

  42. Cargosquid

    Boeing is in hot water because the NRLB is stacked with union activists. That’s it. They didn’t do anything wrong even if they stated, “We’re doing this so we can close all our union shops.”

    Its their right to build where they want.

  43. Cargo, I think it would be fairer to say union supporters. There is a difference.

    Obviously it is not their right. That is what I am trying to find out about.

    What company has shops in closed shop states and open shop states and how was it handled?

    How about some of the car factories in the south?

    Could Boeing close the Washington State factory and move the entire company south?

  44. Gov. Bob McDonnell wants to speed repayment of withheld VRS contributions authorized by the General Assembly to balance the budget.

    Good. Get that VRS loan paid off soon. It should have never been borrowed. The pension fund should never have been used to give the illusion of a balanced budget.

  45. Cato the Elder

    Boeing should give the finger to the NLRB and locate the new plant in Mexico.

    1. They should give the finger to the court and stay in the United States. I hate jobs being outsourced. What laws compell a company to stay located where they are. That needs to be fixed.

  46. Cargosquid

    @Moon-howler
    “Get that VRS loan paid off soon. It should have never been borrowed. The pension fund should never have been used to give the illusion of a balanced budget.”

    Just realized something with that statement.

    During Clinton, we supposedly had a “surplus” that is touted by everyone talking about the budget.

    But we owed the money borrowed from SS to bring that budget into a surplus and we still owed on our debt.

    So….did we have a surplus or an illusion of one?

    I submit that we did not have an actual surplus.

    1. I am not sure that is a good analogy. When was the money borrowed from SS? What difference does it make? Did Clinton take money from the social security fund to be able to say that he had a surplus?

      States are different that the United States. They can’t print their own money, even though my new delegate wanted to mint some coins.

      If Clinton were governor of Virginia I would have said the same thing, even being a Clinton girl. Money is more important to me than men. 😉

      I have never sung the praises of Clinton over surplus. I have sung his praises over peace and prosperity.

      I am biased toward Clinton. Once one admits bias they can just say they like someone and be done with facts and crap like that. :mrgreen:

  47. Big Dog

    A good week in the market for the old 401K – now what?

    Is this the high water mark for 2011 and maybe even 2012?

    How big will the crash be if raising the debt limit by August 2nd
    doesn’t happen? And will early tremors start next week?

    Already have the most conservative funds created for people with
    “low risk tolerance”, but not sure that will help.

    Know there will always be ups and downs in a free market,
    but common sense adults seem to be in short supply on
    both sides of the aisle in the debt limit debate and it could easily
    become an economic disaster. Too many are motivated by ego
    and rigid doctrine — not by the good of the country.

    1. @Big Dog

      How long has it been since we have seen a full house all week!!!! What a great week. 5 days up!

      I am not sure where to put regular stock money. I guess stocks that aren’t volital.

      Congress needs to raise that debt limit and then get busy shaving some waste and taxing some millionaires a little more. Its a pretty simple task. Actually I am tired of the old BS and protection of the wealthy.

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